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DanielJones
12-08-2006, 02:01 PM
In the image below from the movie Pearl Harbor there is a patch on Josh Hartnett's jacket. Does anyone have an idea of what the fighter group or squadron is for that patch? Also would you have a better image of the patch?

http://www.usatoday.com/life/gallery/pearl-harbor/josh-hartnett.jpg

It's also on the jacket of the actor on the right in this image.
http://highlights.ultimatedvd.org/pearlharbor/movie_stills/pearlharbor_jhartnett_baffleck_lg.jpg

I know the one that Alec Baldwin sports is the Wright Field patch.
http://i.tvspielfilm.de/iimages/8/4/jar-181484-360x239-e.jpg

So if any of our historians has any info as to wether this is a real patch they have or not and what the squadron/groups I would be most greatful.
Thank you for your help with this and have a great Holiday Season!

Cheers!

Dan

Spitfire
12-08-2006, 02:46 PM
Try to contact Eastmann Leather in UK. They made the jackets - they also make squadron patches. They should know. Hopefully.
Gerry Eastmann is a swell guy, and will help you if he knows at all.

Gray Ghost
12-08-2006, 07:11 PM
In the image below from the movie Pearl Harbor there is a patch on Josh Hartnett's jacket. Does anyone have an idea of what the fighter group or squadron is for that patch? Also would you have a better image of the patch?

http://www.usatoday.com/life/gallery/pearl-harbor/josh-hartnett.jpg

It's also on the jacket of the actor on the right in this image.
http://highlights.ultimatedvd.org/pearlharbor/movie_stills/pearlharbor_jhartnett_baffleck_lg.jpg

I know the one that Alec Baldwin sports is the Wright Field patch.
http://i.tvspielfilm.de/iimages/8/4/jar-181484-360x239-e.jpg

So if any of our historians has any info as to wether this is a real patch they have or not and what the squadron/groups I would be most greatful.
Thank you for your help with this and have a great Holiday Season!

Cheers!

Dan

Same is the 18th Fighter Group. They were at Pearl during the attack and one of their lead squadrons was the 44th Fighter Squadron known as the Vampire Squadron. The 18th Fighter group became one of the premier fighter groups with the 13th "Jungle" Air Force in 1943. The squadrons of the 18th, when it was with the 13th AF, was the 12th, 44th, and 70th fighter squadrons. Unlike what the movie shows, they were not part of Doolittle's Raid. My father was with XIII Fighter Command and had a lot of dealings with the 18th Fighter Group.

Gray Ghost

Gray Ghost
12-08-2006, 07:13 PM
The 44th Squadron was at Bellows during the attack and I believe got 3 fighters off the ground but were soon shot down. They had transition to Bellows to do gunnery training on that Monday.

Gray Ghost

Dixon Cannon
12-08-2006, 07:50 PM
Here's some details:

http://www.web-birds.com/13th/18th/44th_fs.htm

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/dixon-cannon/18fbw.jpg

http://www.web-birds.com/13th/18th/18th.html

A fighting cock with wings displayed Sable, wattled and combed Gules. Motto: UNGUIBUS ET ROSTRO - With Talons and Beak. Approved for the 18th Group on February 21, 1931 and for the 18th Wing on April 17, 1953.

-dixon cannon

carebear
12-08-2006, 09:12 PM
Motto translation for the peanut gallery? [huh]

DanielJones
12-08-2006, 10:16 PM
Cool!:eusa_clap Thanks a bunch y'all, this is fantastic. Thank you for the history G.G. and thank you for the clear image D.C., this is greatly appreciated. Have a Happy Holiday Season!:) :)

Cheers!

Dan

DanielJones
12-08-2006, 10:30 PM
Motto translation for the peanut gallery? [huh]

As it states above: "With Talons and Beak";)

Cheers!

Dan

carebear
12-09-2006, 01:02 AM
Is rostro the word for beak?

I gotta learn more than just Latin taglines.

Gray Ghost
12-09-2006, 03:13 AM
I knew that my 13th AF knowledge would come in handy on this board sooner or later. Glad I could help.

Gray Ghost

Harp
12-09-2006, 12:05 PM
I gotta learn more than just Latin taglines.[/QUOTE]

"De Oppresso Liber,"
trans: To Free the Oppressed

US Army Special Forces
Pax vobiscum. :)

carebear
12-09-2006, 12:13 PM
Well, yeah, that's a tagline I know.

Mutatis mutandi. The Sempers. Sic semper tyrannus. Dulce et decorum est. Quis custodiat ipso custodies. Much of the legal latin, some bio/science/medical.

But that's just rote memorization. Dumb ol modern public schools... :mad:

:D

Harp
12-09-2006, 12:23 PM
"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori."
Cicero, Odes,III
:)
(The Christian Brothers of Ireland)

carebear
12-09-2006, 12:28 PM
Well I wasn't going to type out the whole thing. ;)

Harp
12-09-2006, 03:44 PM
Curare Ursus: Volo opatio tu et vester omnis quo optimus de hic
dies annotempus et beatus novus annus.

Lyra
XII Praecipuus Vires
De Oppresso Liber

carebear
12-09-2006, 07:28 PM
Tu autem, filius. Tu autem.

Dixon Cannon
12-09-2006, 11:21 PM
Dominus Vobiscum Et Cum Spiritu Tuo. The Mass is ended. Go in Peace.

-dixon cannon

DanielJones
12-11-2006, 01:49 PM
Since we are slinging Latin about, I'll put my two denarius in.

"In vino veritas.

Age quod agis.

Credat Judaeus Apella, non ego.

Iuventus stultorum magister.

In pace requiescat."

Thanks again on the heads-up & images.

Cheers!

Dan