A-1 Jacket / A1 Flying Jacket - The ultimate Golden Era flying accessory!

[Matt Deckard]

Now this one looks rad.

I think I found a jacket that I am going to save up for if the leather is still around when I am ready to buy.

Really pricey considering it is in Pounds, though I love the thought of having a 20's style jacket. It just looks rad.

A-1 with a wool collar.

http://www.aeroleatherclothing.com/images/CapeSheepA1.JPG

http://www.aeroleatherclothing.com/webapp/aeroleather/servlet/AeroViewPage?page=displayproduct&subcatid=41&prodid=CapeA-1

[Wild Root]

One word... RAD!

[Feraud]

That is a beautiful jacket Matt!
I'd say it's totally rad! :)

[Matt Deckard]

Thanks for the lead Senicko... That's a good looking one too. Just much too big for me.

[Senicko_Spain]

No problem Matt, I actually saw it the other day, I'm not crazy about the A-1s however, I would consider wearing one if the price was right.

Steve

[Matt Deckard]

What I like about the Aero version is the collar and the high pockets. I have a friend with an original which he had on display once at a 40's dance (Satin Ballroom) and from what I recall it had that long pointed collar and the high pockets (I could be wrong).

The real reason I like it is because it is just so old school and pre-WWII. No zippers.

I admit too that I am caught up in the gimmick of it being Cape skin leather... original specifications and all makes me think it's closer to what they had back in the 20's. I like that.

[Matt Deckard]

Might have been while you were on your mission Root.

The cincher for me on the Aero A-1 is the collar.

[Batou]

Hi all,

I've decided to get an A-1 jacket, and am looking at the Eastman and the Lost Worlds (leaning toward the latter). Anyone have experience with either? TIA!

[Andykev]

Try Flightsuits. I bought one of theirs and it is beatuiful.
IMHO

[MikeyB17]

Worth looking at Aero too-they are currently doing an A-1 in Cape sheep leather, as per originals. Nobody else is doing that at present as far as I know. They're still doing free shipping to the US for orders over £200 too.

[Chamorro]

When did Flight Suits start selling A-1s? I thought they only made A-2s.:confused:

[Cienfuegos]

A-1!!! Beautiful Jacket. I am interested in this one for some time.
Of LOST WORLD I do not have any article, therefore he might not advise you. Nevertheless I possess two Eastman, concretely A 2 standard of them in Horsehide and it is an excellent reproduction, also I have Hartman Luftwaffe that is the one that more it is usual for me to use to mount in motorcycle and this one is impressive.
The inconvenient only one of Eastman can be the price, but I would recommend these jackets.:)

RegardsLOL

[Matt Deckard]

Too bad the dollar is sooo weak compared to the pound. I still eant a good Aero jacket.

[BellyTank]

Matt- keep your eyes peeled on Aero's "sale" page- always something there in a vintage style. And remember, these are quality jackets, made from quality hides, not your average "antique lambskin" offering- a good leather costs of course and is a primo item of clothing.
What size do you take in a jacket???
-BT.

[ShanghaiJack]

Gents,
I own one of the first Eastman A-1 Summer flying jackets. The hide weight, colour, lining and knit is amazing! I've handled an original, and Eastman's is very good, and quite accurate. The only exception is that the hide is Aniline Steerhide, and not capeskin. [depending on ones research, steerhide was used on later A-1s and is accurate in this reproduction] But one of the most wonderful qualities about this jacket is that it ages [distresses] quickly, naturally. I wore mine for one month solid, in various weather conditions, and it literally aged before my eyes. GORGEOUS!
Tails Up!
ShanghaiJack

[The Mad Hatter]

There was no single, standard, "correct" A-1, so you shouldn't be too fussy about the details.

[BellyTank]

Aero make capeskin jackets.

[Matt Deckard]

Looks like they have one left with the collar and leathe I wanted, and depending on how their sizes run, a 40 may fit. If only I had the cash. If they I still need to get one custom made if they still have some of that cape skin left.

http://www.aeroleatherclothing.com/webapp/aeroleather/servlet/AeroViewPage?page=displayproduct&subcatid=32&prodid=1851

http://www.aeroleatherclothing.com/images/S1285(c).JPG

[shamus]

As to sizing from Aero...

In their regular jackets.. ie: Highwayman, Half-belt. Go with your size. If you need longer arms... ask them.

As to A2's. They run one size smaller. I wear a 44, I order a 46. It fits great.

I would assume the A1's fit the same.

Also check their sale page. You might get lucky.

[MikeyB17]

I have to say that all my Aeros (A-2, B-3 and Highwayman) are spot on to ticket size-I'm I have a 42" chest, my jackets are all 42s and fit perfectly. My advice would be contact Aero with your measurements, they will sort you out.

MB17

[BellyTank]

Mikey, ...the folks need to know that that's for a 'trim- ish' military, vintage fitting though-

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[MikeyB17]

Yeah, you're not wrong. Talk to Aero, tell 'em the kind of fit you're after is the way to go, I'd say. How's it with you, 'Tank?

MB17

[zeus36]

Matt, you need to sell me some more of your stuff to get that cash for the jacket. !

Send me a PM...

[shamus]

I still say Aero's A2's run small. Shearling runs spot on. My D-1 from them is exactly if not bigger than the ticket size.

They probably run exactly the ticket size. But they are made for the WWII guy who had very little bulk on him and his size.

Contact Aero. Ask. Also each version of the A2's they sell are a bit different. But as to the A1 I think they only have one model.

[Doug C]

Guys, since we're on the subject of A-1s ...has anyone here ever watched the show that comes on the "Speed Channel" called Victory-by-Design? It's about old vintage automobile marquis and is hosted by Alaine De Cadenet, well Alaine wears an A-1 in it all the time. His jacket is sooo cool, it made me want to get one. His has a great collar that seams to stand up more and is a little taller than most of the ones from the usual places. The closest I've seen is the one from 'The Lost World' but I've heard bad things regarding the owner of that company and his are definately a lot more expensive...but if the money was to fall into my lap I'd probably order from him anyway. Otherwise I'd probably get the A-1 from FlightSuits, it's about half the price and looks nice in their catalog. Maybe they could make a more ssquared-off collar for it?

Doug C

[PADDY]

A1s and A2s are slim cut, short bodied, long arms. They were sized and made for the average body of a young man in the 30s and 40s, (most of the jackets were size 36/38/40/42 at most, although there were exceptions and big jackets were made, but not in a blousey, puffed out way) which on the whole was a slimmish, smallish figure. They didn't pump Big Mac Steroids into their bods. They worked hard and played hard.

But today, the modern day WWII pilot wannabee's don't always have the WWII pilot figure! And then they complain that some of the repro manufacturers do not accomodate their more portly, rotund figure! So some of the repro manufacturers have accomodated them (such as ELC) and the purists kick up that they are too blousey and not trim enough. Then others criticise the likes of Aero for being too small and trim!! Just can't win!!
A1's and A2's are not for the portly figure. They are for the slim, trim fighting machine figure. And look best sported on such a figure, nice and tight and stream-lined!! Why do you think the English and Irish girls went crazy when the crews flew over? these were Hollywood Idols incarnate!

[Vladimir Berkov]

There is nothing that annoys me more than modern manufacturers "fudging" on the sizes for the more rotund modern man. Since I wear a size 38 it can be difficult to find modern reproductions which actually fit and which don't have huge collars or absurdly long arms.

[MudInYerEye]

Paddy nailed it dead on. A-1s and A-2s were just not designed for the fuller figured man, and refiguring the cut compromises the spirit of the originals. Stouter fellows should strongly consider the wide variety of vintage civilian jackets Aero reproduces wonderfully. Regarding the fit of Aero's military jackets, I have three Aero A-2s and they all fit true to size (38).
Also, I own a Lost Worlds A-1 jacket, and I do not reccomend it. While it is a very well constucted jacket, the horsehide is WAY too heavy for this design.

[PADDY]

Hi chaps & chappesses. Sadly Brad or Tom weren't available to model this little gem from Aero in Scotland, so apologies in advance for being subjected to my less than rugged features! But, hey, focus on the jacket, as that is the star of this shoot.

Most of the vintage jacket makers will do their version of the A1, but I've only had the chance to comment on the Aero.

Dark chocolate cape skin is lovely (the original specified hide for this jacket), very soft and buttery and creases well. I love the cut to the A-1 anyway (predecessor to the more famous brother, the A-2).

Nice tight berry knits (dark brown), and a dark brown, denimy/canvas cotton hard wearing lining. Pockets are not too high (as I've seen with other makers they can be almost to the chest).

Not much I'd change about this baby, except my personal preference is for lighter honey coloured buttons to contrast more with the chocolate hide and I also like buttons on the bottom (rather than press studs, but both are historically correct).

All in all, a sure fine winner with this one! Just need a Harvard as an accessory to the jacket.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/Paddy_Middleton/AeroA1jacket006.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/Paddy_Middleton/AeroA1jacket003.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/Paddy_Middleton/AeroA1jacket007.jpg

[scotrace]

So THAT'S what the RAF gloves look like worn. Must get some.

Nice jacket - I think in many ways I prefer the A1 to the A2.

Thanks for posting - maybe some future shots of the the jacket sans gloves/helmet? Can't see the cuffs nor collar for gloves and flappies.

[PADDY]

Just no pleasing some folk!! (lol). Of course you are quite right, too many flaps and gloves, but don't it look good!. But the knits on the wrist are the same as an A2 and the collar knits are, well, the usual A1 spec, with leather loops on one side and the corresponding double buttons on the other to meet up. Guess I just like dressing up Scot!!

[Hemingway Jones]

Wow! I love that A-1. Note to self: "must buy an A-1."
The gloves look great with it.
What is a "Harvard?" I know what Harvard is; I love 5 mins. away, but I don't know what a "Harvard" is.

I always say this, Paddy, you are the kid with all the best toys.

High Regards,
Tim

[Captain Krunch]

Very nice jacket, Paddy. This is on my short list of jackets to get, so I'm glad to see it in the flesh, so to speak. Wear it well.

[Baggers]

What is a "Harvard?" I know what Harvard is; I love 5 mins. away, but I don't know what a "Harvard" is.

You "love" 5 mins. away? TMI, Hem, TMI...lol


Harvard is the Commonwealth designation for the North American AT-6 Texan training aircraft. The Brits named their trainers after universities. And I think American planes got American schools, and British planes British schools.

And Paddy, I am so close to pulling the trigger on one of those. I'd have to leave it in the box for the next six months until the weather cools and pray that I wouldn't have to explain to the wife why I was buying another leather jacket, but dang, it's getting harder and harder to resist! :D

Cheers!

[Absinthe_1900]

I like what the Australians did with some of those aircraft parts.

http://www.accentwebdesign.com.au/boomerang/indexf.htm

[BellyTank]

Looks like you lost the old Fokker in the long grass!
Stand up and maybe you'll find it.

Nice jacket(helmet, goggles, gloves, boots...)!

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[gimmesomeshelte]

Paddy-

I've never been a great fan of the A-1, but I have to admit that you wear it well!

By the way, do you wear that 'outfit' to work? ;)

Paul Vickerman

[RyFranzese24]

Wow, I don't know you do wear it to work, but you definitely should. Damn, that is cool.

[Sefton]

Beautiful jacket! Just needs a bi-plane behind it to give the photos that little extra touch....

Another fine looking Aero!

[Benny Holiday]

Not to mention the rest of that fine outfit. Thanks for sharing it with us!

Absinthe, thanks for that great link too! A bit of Aussie history I wasn't aware of there. I wish my Dad was still here to ask him about those Boomerangs.

[Speedster]

Beautiful jacket, and the rest of the outfit is also pretty cool. Just missing the biplane in the background.

Speedster

[Doug C]

Why is it that when I do a search for A-1 as in air-corps flight jacket...it says there are none found. I know for a fact that they have been discuss here before, am I doing something wrong? frustrated.

Doug C

[PADDY]

Beautiful jacket! Just needs a bi-plane behind it to give the photos that little extra touch....

Another fine looking Aero!

So, any photoshoppers out there who could work a wee bit of magic with any of these pics then?

[PADDY]

Here you go Doug. No idea why it wasn't picking it up. Hope this helps you out.

http://thefedoralounge.net/showthread.php?t=1594

[BellyTank]

Send the pics P-Addy.

B
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[Doug C]

thanks Paddy, I appreciate it.. the search feature just doesn't like the subject I guess... So, is that you in the pictures with all the great gear on? The A-1 looks fantastic, I would Like to see some better shots of the collar area if you could possibly manage it. I want the collar to be large and "squared off" if you know what I mean. For instance the one advertised on flightsuit.com has what looks like a tapered collar where there are no tips for the collar, it's small and just sort of disappears into the collar stand in the front. Yours seems to be doing the same thing in those pictures but I can't really tell. On the otherhand, the one advertised at thelostworld.com (or whatever) has a nice big square collar in merino wool, I love it. Also, could you tell me what you think of the cape sheep leather, I have no idea what to expect from it - but it sounds good.. Since we're on the subject I started a thread over on COW, it's an idea I've been considering regarding an A-1..check it out.

http://www.indygear.com/cow/viewtopic.php?t=17377

Doug

[PADDY]

[QUOTE=Doug C]thanks Paddy, I appreciate it.. My pleasure!the search feature just doesn't like the subject I guess... So, is that you in the pictures with all the great gear on? Afraid so!! !00 per cent Scot's-Irish moi!The A-1 looks fantastic, I would Like to see some better shots of the collar area if you could possibly manage it.See what I can do Doug when I have a spare moment I want the collar to be large and "squared off" if you know what I mean. I think Aero have got that down to a tee For instance the one advertised on flightsuit.com has what looks like a tapered collar where there are no tips for the collar, it's small and just sort of disappears into the collar stand in the front. Yours seems to be doing the same thing in those pictures but I can't really tell. On the otherhand, the one advertised at thelostworld.com (or whatever) has a nice big square collar in merino wool, I love it. Also, could you tell me what you think of the cape sheep leather, Very soft just like the originals if you have ever seen pics or handled them. Cape Sheep was the original spec, although some today would argue that the modern cape sheep is not up to par with the original used 80-years-ago. Hard to tell really unless you had a new 1927 A-1 to compare it with!! But the Aero CS needs no breaking in, as it's very soft with a hardy stiff cotton lining. Personally, I'd veer towards getting it made out of oil pull HH, as I know how well it wears to an antique look!! but that's just my own perference!I have no idea what to expect from it - but it sounds good.. Since we're on the subject I started a thread over on COW, it's an idea I've been considering regarding an A-1..check it out.Doug, I'd go with a generic A-1, rather than a Wested Indy that is then butchered. Get some samples off Mark (in US) or Will (in Scotland) of the Cape Sheep and the oil pull HH

[Doug C]

Oh, ok - good, then you know what I'm talking about with the collar? And yours is a "normal" square collar as opposed the a "varsity" style collar? That's my main concern really.. more pictures would be great, I'd really appreciate it. Man that jacket of your's look nice! thanks again.

Doug C

[PADDY]

As requested, hope this helps your decision making :)

http://http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/Paddy_Middleton/AeroA1jacket013.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/Paddy_Middleton/AeroA1jacket012.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/Paddy_Middleton/AeroA1jacket011.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/Paddy_Middleton/AeroA1jacket010.jpg

[PADDY]

As many of you chaps/chappesses will already know, THE FEW produce vintage 'styled' flight jackets for the Japanese market, and the prices reflect that target market. The jackets, from A2's and A1's to Irvins look lovely, but are not always 'correct' in their colouration, as I feel they colour them to make the jacket 'seem' more vintage in feel (original unused flight jackets, don't always look 'that' vintage because they haven't been used and abused and the top colour hasn't worn off in places to give a vintagey undercoat look coming through).
This A-1 by THE FEW looks lovely, but the original colour tended to be more of a seal I believe, which this isn't. Having said that, if I had the chance of grabbing this baby, I'd do it with both hands!

So, for your reference, just another maker's jacket to look at and ponder over!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/Paddy_Middleton/TheFewA1.jpg

[PADDY]

Again, purely for visual comparisons with other makers. For full specs and prices, check the maker's website (all found in our Reference Library at the top of the WWII room).

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/Paddy_Middleton/A-1Eastman.jpg

[PADDY]

Stuart at Lost Worlds (NYC) produce their own version of the famous 1920s/30's A-1 flying jacket (see photos below). All maker's website links are in our Reference Library at the top of the WWII room.

Note: All makers will have slight differences in hide type, hide colour, knit colour and type and buttons, pocket flap style and in some cases, pocket position. But generically, the general jacket cut looks the same.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/Paddy_Middleton/A-1LW3.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/Paddy_Middleton/A-1LW.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/Paddy_Middleton/A-1OliveHorsehide-7.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/Paddy_Middleton/A-1Deerskin38-4.jpg

[PADDY]

Just thought you would be interested to see these photos of two of America's most famous aviators cutting a dash in the A-1 style jacket.

It sort of puts the above photos into some type of period context for you. It truely is a jacket that exemplifies that cutting edge, flying by the seat of your pants, golden age of aviation. In their hey-day, these chaps were pin-ups for the gals, and icons for the man of adventure!

The A-1 flying jacket, ...If it's good enough for Howard and Billy, then surely it's good enough for the esteemed members of this room!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/Paddy_Middleton/A-126BillyMitchell.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/Paddy_Middleton/howard20hughes.jpg

[MudInYerEye]

When a repro maker finally produces an A-1 with the small pockets of an original (also minding that A-1s did not have the elegantly sculpted pocket flaps of the A-2) I will be first in line with my wallet out. Eastman comes preety close but still no cigar.

[Captain Krunch]

That olive green A-1 will certainly set one apart from the crowd! Another jacket to put on the "to buy" list....

[Doug C]

Paddy, you're awsome..many thanks, you went above and beyond what I would have expected. Would you have a proper link for "The Few" ? Thanks again!

Doug C

[PADDY]

All links to the above jacket makers (and many other interesting kit things) are in our WWII Reference Library (so please, make full use of it!).

WWII REFERENCE LIBRARY (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?t=4395)

Glad to help & happy hunting!

[Chad Miller]

Does anyone know if the A-1 was a shorter jacket than say the A-2? From the few photos I've seen the bottom of the A-1 seems to sit right at the waist (and I'm assuming these are high-waisted pants) while the A-2, depending on the wearer, can be noticably below that. I ordered an A-1 from US Authentic and when buttoned up the edge of the waitband falls just below my belt (on my modern, lower cut pants). I think I actually prefer the fit to a longer jacket, but I still find myself tugging at the waistband.

Chad Miller

[Doug C]

Chad - I don't know the answer to your question, sorry... but I was wondering if it would be possible for you to post some pictures of your US Authentic A-1, since I've only seen it in their catalog and am uncertain about the collar, from the picture in the catalog. Maybe a couple of you wearing it for fit comparisons. What size is your jacket also?

Doug C

[Chad Miller]

I don't have a digital camera, so I can't post any pictures. Sorry.

The collar is large and squared off with the standard loop and button configuration. That picture is deceiving--it looks more like what Paddy posted above. Actually, I didn't care for the collar. It never laid flat when I tried to turn it down, and it struck as being too wide. I had one made with the collar from an A-2 instead.

Mine is a 42 and the fit is nice in the body and sleeves, except I felt it hung too far down my backside. I had it shortened but I wonder if stopping just below my belt, as it does now, is too short.

I guess what I'm asking is how should an A-1 fit? Are the any guidelines or is it up to the individual wearer to decide?

Sorry if this is all confusing. I have a habit of doing that to people!

Chad


Chad - I don't know the answer to your question, sorry... but I was wondering if it would be possible for you to post some pictures of your US Authentic A-1, since I've only seen it in their catalog and am uncertain about the collar, from the picture in the catalog. Maybe a couple of you wearing it for fit comparisons. What size is your jacket also?

Doug C

[Doug C]

Chad - no problem on the pics.. thanks for the info on the collar of the US Authentic, but you did manage to confuse me (that's not hard to do really though) you said that the collar was big and squared off but then you said that you had yours made with an A2 leather collar. So did you actually have two seperate A-1s or did you have the knit collar removed and replaced with leather? Also what leather is yours made of ? What's the color like?

Doug C

[Chad Miller]

I ordered one of their stock jackets, in horsehide with the wool collar, to see what the fit was like. Then I returned that and ordered a custom jacket in goatskin with a leather collar. I found the horsehide to be very stiff and heavy. The goatskin is much more supple and noticably lighter. Also, I think it forms better to the body--the horsehide felt "blocky." My jacket is in their Medium Brown, which I would call a chocolate brown. It's not too dark, and I think it looks quite nice.

Hope that helps,
Chad


Chad - no problem on the pics.. thanks for the info on the collar of the US Authentic, but you did manage to confuse me (that's not hard to do really though) you said that the collar was big and squared off but then you said that you had yours made with an A2 leather collar. So did you actually have two seperate A-1s or did you have the knit collar removed and replaced with leather? Also what leather is yours made of ? What's the color like?

Doug C

[Doug C]

Hope that helps,
Chad

It definately does, thanks to you and Paddy !

Doug C

[PADDY]

It's the sort of jacket that Errol Flynn would be seen in and has that true 20's and 30's aviators' feel to it. Just cannot go wrong with this jacket type for the vintage fly boy's look.

[Senicko_Spain]

Gents, I've been asked by my good friend Paddy over on the VLJIII Site to post some pics of my Lost Worlds A-1 when it arrived, well, yesterday was the big day and today I'm posting these pictures for all of you to enjoy. I'm a size 38 and so is the jacket and the fit is dead on, my only complaint are the sleeves, they have some stovepiping to them, which will take some time to get used to, as all my A-2s have a nice taper to the sleeve. The knits with this jacket tend to tunnel up a little which will also take some time to get used to. I am still kicking around the idea on selling it, not sure yet as I will have to wear it a little and get a feel for it.

The leather is very heavy Lost Worlds Horsehide, 3 or 4 oz not sure, but it's bulletproof just like Stu says, the jacket is made very well, far better than I expected, I don't think it could have been made any better. I wish it was made out of Cape so it would drape a little better, but nonetheless a killer jacket. So, I'll shut up, here are the pics, you decide.

Steve


http://i21.ebayimg.com/02/i/07/26/92/7f_1.JPG

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Senicko/Repros/LW%20A-1/CIMG3042.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Senicko/Repros/LW%20A-1/CIMG3053.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Senicko/Repros/LW%20A-1/CIMG3051.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Senicko/Repros/LW%20A-1/CIMG3045.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Senicko/Repros/LW%20A-1/CIMG3046.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Senicko/Repros/LW%20A-1/CIMG3044.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Senicko/Repros/LW%20A-1/CIMG3043.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Senicko/Repros/LW%20A-1/CIMG3063.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Senicko/Repros/LW%20A-1/CIMG3062.jpg

[PADDY]

Thanks for posting this latest acquisition Steve. It's a fabulous looking jacket and I dare say will encourage others here to think about getting an A-1 when toying with the idea of a vintage flying jacket!! It really is a classic style and in many ways (I feel) is nicer than the A-2 (did I really say that?...well yes!).

[scotrace]

That's a sweet jacket! Most of the A1's are cape, right? Pretty neat in horse. Fantastic!

I have to agree, Paddy - the A1 is a serious attention getter and probably even more versatile than an A2. Also niftier details.

[Senicko_Spain]

As far as I know the contract called for cape, but there may have been other variations, they are not as well known as the A-2 hence you see different variations form each repro manufacturer.

[BellyTank]

Hi Steve, Scott, et al...

My God, A-1s are a hairy beast- they were miltary issued- without much consistency, without labels a lot of the time- all of this whilst being made in the same 'STYLES', in the consumer market. Miltary jackets in military service and civilian jackets in military use- So- dificult to say who's who and what's what with A-1s and A-1-ish jackets.
There was widespread use of lighter hides (re: Capeskin sheep)in sportswear jackets in the era, which seems to have been forgotten with our modern-day, horshide-hype.

Check out any 1920s (or '30s)Aviation Supply Catalogues you may have lying around the place-plenty of A-1 styles and more.

Steve, I was watching that recent $450 eBay "A-1" for a while- condition-wise, probably not as good as one would have hoped(hopefully).... ...caught up in the eDrama.


How's the weather Steve..?

B
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[Doug C]

Steve - That's a great looking Jacket! I actually thought about bidding on it myself, but darn-it I really need a sz.40 . Do not worry about those sleeves, I actually like them the way they are in your picture. I think that's one bad#@! looking jacket. I'd keep it if it were me.

I actually got me a LostWorlds A-1 the other day too... I'll have to shoot some pictures of it (maybe tonight). The one I got was on special and is an all cotton (oxford type VI) , 1 of a kind that's made with Horsehide pockets and trim. It's an amazing jacket but (darn-it again..) it's a little on the small side for me. It's about a 39 size while I'm actually a 40-41, I took a chance on it fitting and well it's pretty snug. So I may have to re-sell it. Keep an eye out for the pics.

I have to say, that the reasons I love these jackets are because they are so uncommon and unique and have have such timeless style. Well, there are other reasons too but basically they're just cool looking.

Doug C

[Doug C]

Hello guys & gals, I got a brand new type A-1 from LostWorlds the other day and thought I'd post some pictures.

Doug C

UHM.... but when I try, the I get an upload error message saying that the attachment exceeds the quota by 101.1 kb . Guess I need smaller pics right? Can they be down sized?

Doug C

[Doug C]

let me try this again...

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8850/dsc011472ep.png (http://imageshack.us)

Doug C

[Doug C]

well that picture sucked.. actually they probably all do but here are somemore anyway. :p

Doug C

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5392/dsc011486qc.png (http://imageshack.us)

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6575/dsc011497mr.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3/dsc011513nw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5677/dsc011522hr.png (http://imageshack.us)

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/815/a1cotton015ok.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Doug C]

hey... this is going to be the ultimate (and only) thread about A-1's ? Well, it is better that way probably.

Doug C

[PADDY]

I saw that one on Stuart's LW site and thought it interesting then, with the fabric mix. Really classic design isn't it!! I actually like the slight variations too from maker to maker, but all holding to the basic design. This one has a bit of a hybrid collar more akin to the later A-2 (that replaced the A-1 in 1931).

He (LW) had another one I was nearly going for, in mohair I think, that had been part of a Japanese order !! a camel colour and it was a real beaut!!! but then, how many jackets can one man really justify having?!

I'm loving this thread boys more-and-more because of how it's starting to highlight individual preferences of A-1 followers and how the makers are trying to accomodate to different tastes, with twists on a theme, or subtleties on button types, collar configs, press studs at bottom/or buttons, different hide types..etc, etc...yet still maintain the vintage essence of the 1920's US military flying jacket.

When you have a moment Doug and you are up for it, a run down on the jacket please would be just great!!!! Thanks for posting those.

[Chad Miller]

Did anyone else catch Only Angels Have Wings on TCM Saturday night? There were at least three nice looking A-1s, all of them different. That, and it's a fun movie in its own right.

There was also a very Indy-looking jacket to be found (complete with fedora), but that's a topic for another thread. :)

[PADDY]

One of the boys on VLJ-III posted this in an A-1 thread, and it's a nice close-up of the pic in the Suit Up book (Japanese flight jacket book, see Library Resource at top of WW2 room for details).

Just look at the patina on this. Now how can you NOT like it!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/Paddy_Middleton/a1closeupfrontjpeg.jpg
SORRY, won't take the BIG image of this one.

[grant]

Paddy,
If I ever get a repro A-1 this is how I'd want it to fit. The guy in the suit on the right is Billy Mitchell. Grant
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a245/13thBS/A-1.jpg

[Doug C]

Hello I commisioned Wested to make me a custom A-1 inspired jacket of my own design, if anyone's interested here's a link to some pictures I posted over on COW.

http://www.indygear.com/cow/viewtopic.php?t=18892

Doug C

[29 toter]

Doug,

Nice Coat. Did you talk to Gemma about this project? If not, who does one talk to about having Wested do specialty work? What is the leather thickness/ weight?

I have some ideas for modifications to the u-boat/Dr. Who coat Wested sells and am interested in finding out who to talk to.

Thanks for your time.

[DanielJones]

Sweet! I like it.:eusa_clap

Cheers!

Dan

[Benny Holiday]

It looks ready for adventure in the cockpit or on the ground! It's different to any other jacket, yet has that authentic 30's adventurer look to it.

[Doug C]

thanks for the kind words guys!! I love this jacket and am already thinking about ordering another in some other leather.
29 Toter : Yes, I emailed Gemma asking if it could be produced. After several undeliverable emails to Wested (full mail box, etc) and having to re-write my entire request a couple of times.. she got it approved by Peter. I called, spoke to Peter (who is a great guy and fun to chat with) and got an order number. There were no other communication problems after the initial frustrations, at one point I had given up on Wested doing this jacket because they were so busy with other projects - just glad I didn't!! The leather is thin because it's made of Lambskin, which an original A-1 probably would have never been made of but I love the light weight feel of it (I have other Wested Lambskin jackets). I will probably get one of these in goat or HH next.

Doug C

[Feraud]

That is a great looking jacket Doug C! I saw it on COW and have been meaning to comment on it.

Now that Wested has a template for this style, is it available for purchase if people are interested?

[Doug C]

Feraud, I was told by Peter (over the phone) that later purchases of the jacket would be cheaper than the original I had made because the patterns would already have been paid for. Which I assume means anyone who wanted one could buy it cheaper than the prototype. Apparently it would be about the same price as their Indy jacket.

Doug C

[29 toter]

Doug,
Thanks for the reply. I'm writing Gemma tonight. Wish me luck.

[Feraud]

Thanks for the info Doug C!

[captain johnny]

i like this one a lot very nice touch.is peter gonna name this one after you?it needs its own name.

[Sam Cox]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n155/alden405/DolanTolstoy.jpg

The bloke on the right is Ilya Tolstoy (grandson of THE Tolstoy)
This is him in Tibet during WW2

Very cool jacket

Sam

[Mojave Jack]

That is very cool indeed. What's the context of the photo?

I just noticed this jacket following a link from the next thread (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?t=12149) down: Brooks Brothers Suede Jacket (http://www.brooksbrothers.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=222&Product_Id=936044&Parent_Id=202)

http://www.brooksbrothers.com/Images/Catalog/ProductImages/495N.jpg

[Sam Cox]

http://www.skidmore.edu/academics/asianstudies/TibetanPhotos/Expedition.html

In 42 the OSS despatched a diplomatic mission to Tibet
Ilya Tolstoy and Brook Dolan
The website linked has some cool pics

Sam

[Mojave Jack]

Wow! Very interesting story! I never knew about that expedition; thanks for the info!

Deanglen, you'll find the pics of the honor guard interesting. There's some very familiar looking bashes in those slouch hats. You can a couple particularly well in the third photo (http://www.skidmore.edu/academics/asianstudies/TibetanPhotos/UK.color.guard.3.jpg).

[Sam Cox]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n155/alden405/UK.jpghttp://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n155/alden405/Tolstoy.jpgThere is some very cool and very kooky stuff going on in the photos in regards to uniforms and equipment
Dolan and Tolstoy rode Brit army UP saddles and the clothing is a mix of uniform,equestrian and period outdoor clothes

Not what springs to mind when you think of the OSS during WW2


Sam

[Mojave Jack]

There is some very cool and very kooky stuff going on in the photos in regards to uniforms and equipment
Dolan and Tolstoy rode Brit army UP saddles and the clothing is a mix of uniform,equestrian and period outdoor clothes

Not what springs to mind when you think of the OSS during WW2


Sam

Sam, what's an UP saddle? I'm afraid I don't know much about tack!

The mix of clothing reminds me of the LRDG and their non-standard clothing, though, like the chpplies and Hebron goatskin coats. In fact, the entire Western Desert Force was known for non-stardard uniforms. I think those guys that were out on their own fended for themselves as best they could, and used what worked more than anything else.

[PADDY]

Actually, has a lot to offer, with the smaller pockets and the longer body, which many of the current repro makers miss (Just see on VLJ-3, where they are looking to have to club together to get one of the manufacturers to make a stitch-4-stitch A-1 copy jacket, as currently none seem to be offered!).

I love the look of this hide and the caramel knits off-set against the chocolate hide, just sings to me!! Anyway, have a look, dig deep into your wallets for this one chaps, and let all know what you A-1 lovers/aficianados think!!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/Paddy_Middleton/br80102-2.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/Paddy_Middleton/br80102-1.jpg

[jake431]

I especially like the longer body. Since I don't usually tuck shirts in and I have a long torso to begin with, I always wind up with jackets that are too short. This one looks like it might be just what the doctor ordered.

-Jake

[Sam Cox]

A UP saddle is the last Brit cavalry saddle,official name Saddle Universal Pattern 1912
Many UP saddles remain in service today with Brit mounted units

Sam

P>S that Rickson A1 looks like a million bucks ( and probably costs the same )

[Lord Jagged]

The earlier A1 looks like a really nice jacket - but I wouldn't trade my A2 for the world. Being a larger chap, I struggled to find a company that would tailor make a flying jacket for me. Cirrus came up with the goods in the form of an excellent A2 repro.


http://freespace.virgin.net/viktor.jagged/A2.jpg

[gimmesomeshelte]

Boy, I never thought an A-1 could look that good! Having a model with a 1930's build must help. ;)

Paul-

[priestyboy]

Looking at the Flight Jackets.com page I ran across something new to me. An A-1 flight jacket.

http://www.flightjacket.com/store/detail.aspx?ID=7

Sorry for not attaching a picture as I can never seem to get them to upload.

This is really neat but a little pricey. Are there many of these around? Anybody else making a repro?

[scotrace]

http://www.flightjacket.com/store/images/a1hR.jpg


The A1 came before (logically enough) the famous A2. This is the leather flying jacket of the AAF during the 1920's, but saw use through and into WWII. In Pearl Harbor, the scene where the flyboys are showing off playing chicken in the beginning, the CO is wearing an A1. In Only Angels Have Wings with Cary Grant, he wears one throughout the film.

There are many repros on the market, from Aero, Eastman, Real McCoys, Rickson, etc. You see them in many pocket configurations and in various hides. Many are made in capeskin.

It's a big favorite of mine and I'd like to add one to my closet one day. I recently just missed getting one in goat.

[greyhound68]

I saw one of these in goat and it was a great looking jacket.

[Zemke Fan]

Can you get these photo links working again? Would love to see these A-1 photos! (Just watched "Only Angels Have Wings.")

[scotrace]

Then we, my dear friend, have the same bug.

There's just something about those A1 jackets....

[Chewing Wax]

Just bought a 1994 prototype civil A-1 and can't say enough good things about it. It's close enough to the production model for me to recommend it. The Leather is amazing.http://farm1.static.flickr.com/136/381008195_0bc28695a5_o.jpg]

Obviously what I bought isn't a true A-1, but it's close enough I think for me to let you know that a Lost Worlds is a great jacket.

[skbellis]

Has anyone heard of or dealt with this company:

http://www.leatherneckaircorp.com/default.htm

They have a repro A-1 (the collar seems to be wrong), although not totally accurate a nice look. And the price seems very reasonable.

http://www.leatherneckaircorp.com/A%201.htm

I was just curious if anyone had any dealings with them before I took one for the team.

Cheers,

---Scott

[Flitcraft]

I think that's the same company as "Pop's Leathers" (http://www.popsleather.com/). I've never dealt with them, but the website I posted gives more information, and more options.

[scotrace]

I'd say avoid. They are calling this an A1.
http://www.leatherneckaircorp.com/A1.jpg

"... and over here, is the can of Shine-Ola..."

[Flitcraft]

LOL!

Too true! But, if you check out the Pop's Leathers site, they do offer several options, one of which is the knit collar for the "A 1" model. From what I can tell, these are not going to ever be mistaken for an Aero or Eastman, but if you want something a few notches above what you'll find at "The Mall", and you want some custom touches at a reasonable price, this might be a way to go.
I would think of these jackets as "customized beaters", better than average, but without the high price tag of Eastman, Aero, Lost Worlds, etc.

[Atticus Finch]

I think that's the same company as "Pop's Leathers" (http://www.popsleather.com/). I've never dealt with them, but the website I posted gives more information, and more options.

Hi Folks,

I'm not sure if this is the same company as POP's. Maybe. Pop's is in Turkey, of course, but I can't tell where Leatherneckaircorp is located.

Pop's makes an A-1, but I don't think it looks much like the jacket in this thread. While the Pop's A-1 is not a dead-on replica of the original, I think I recall it having a proper knit collar. Frankly, the Leatherneckaircorp jacket just looks like their A-2 with buttons.

Atticus

[Atticus Finch]

Well, now I've changed my mind. Whoever Leatherneckaircorp is, I guess they must sell Pop's jackets. If you look at the Leatherneckaircorp "G-1", you can see the Pop's tag in the collar.

I could have sworn that Pop's A-1s have knit collars.

Atticus

[Fletch]

Only collar option I see at either store is "detachable lambswool." Ie, it fits over the leather collar.

Someone ought to write and see if they do the knit double button kind that doesn't fold over.

Both stores also offer substantial discounts on goatskin, claiming it's the "lowest quality" jacket hide. ???

[Fletch]

I wrote Dave at Pop's. He says no problem making the knit collar. Doesn't mention cost tho.

Some of the old posts over on That Other Forum claim Pop's product quality isn't all it should be. But nobody is at all specific about it. They might just be high-end collectors reacting to a lower-priced, lower-authenticity product.

[Atticus Finch]

They might just be high-end collectors reacting to a lower-priced, lower-authenticity product.

Yep. I think you may be right. I love my friends over there just like brothers, but there is more than a little "repro snobbery" among them.

Atticus

[skbellis]

Thank you for all of your input guys. I wouldn't expect to get a high end reproduction for that price. I just thought it would be a nice "beater" with a more vintage look. Good to know about the knit collar. I'll have to get a more specific price.

Cheers,

---Scott

[Fletch]

Yep. I think you may be right. I love my friends over there just like brothers, but there is more than a little "repro snobbery" among them.Oh yeah. I immediately get suspicious when they post in strong, but vague, terms, the implication being "any idiot should know that..." Such commentary is not primarily meant to be helpful.

[Kevin Popejoy]

Now here's an A-1.

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1411/a1sale424bu0.th.jpg (http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a1sale424bu0.jpg)
Kevin

[mikepara]

All depends on what's wanted surely?
A decent but cheaper old fashioned looking functional leather. Yes? Then buy one.
or
An A1 thats good enough to fool the veterans or fly in. Yes? Then avoid.

[Fletch]

All depends on what's wanted surely?
A decent but cheaper old fashioned looking functional leather. Yes? Then buy one.
or
An A1 thats good enough to fool the veterans or fly in. Yes? Then avoid.I presume by "fly in" you mean "bail out in." People pilot aircraft in any old nylon anoraks these days.

The Pop's site has you give a bunch of measurements. I wonder if they'd agree not to automatically add 10" to your chest and 6" to your shoulders if you asked.

The other big thing is the pocket placement. Close set pockets always look cheap.

[PADDY]

My personal preference over the A-2 actually.:) Makes me think of Lindbergh and Hughes.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r39/PADDY_MIDDLETON/HH.jpg
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r39/PADDY_MIDDLETON/AeroA1jacket007.jpg

[PADDY]

Who else out there (boys or girls) who love that A-1 vintage look?:eusa_clap

[scotrace]

I'm really hot to get one of these. Still sorry I missed the one Doug C had up. Who got that one? Any fresh pics?

[PADDY]

You've got to have a light finger on the trigger sometimes Scott to get the things you want. Keep an eye on VLJ too in case any come up there?

I actually think you'd look good in the 'right' A-1..:eusa_clap

[Kevin Popejoy]

Love it and have one on order from Lost Worlds. I'll endeavor to put up a pic when I receive it.

Kevin

[Fletch]

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r39/PADDY_MIDDLETON/AeroA1jacket007.jpg
"Damn! That's the last time I prop-start my own plane."

[Fletch]

BTW PADDY, do you have highboots for this type outfit? Or what do you think of them?

[Feraud]

I prefer a button jacket over zippers so this jacket is a favorite of mine.
Maybe one day I will add an a1 to my closet...

[Estevan]

I just added this to my collection from Eastman's sale page...They made 2 prototypes in a lighter color cape than their current production model. They put them on sale yesterday and they were gone in a matter or hours. I got the size 38. Can't wait!



http://www.shopcreator.com/mall/eastmanleather/products/product-3341386.stm

[scotrace]

Exactly what I'd like to find. Exactly. Perfect color. Good score.

http://www.eastmanleather.com/images/reissue/A-1ELCCapex2RI.jpg

[Estevan]

Thanks very much Scotrace....

I have been looking for exactly this kind of jacket for a long time. Personally I like the lighter shade russet better than what Eastman eventually chose for their final color of cape. I would have kept this color.

[BellyTank]

The designation; "A-1" was, of course from military nomenclature but today, we commonly refer to anything like an A-2 with a button-through front, rather than zippered and with button pockets rather than snaps.

The style was very popular in sporting circles even in the late teens and through the twenties.

The military picked up the sporty style and it seems that there was a lot of license used in materials, styling and construction. From viewing many period military photos, I would say that many of the examples used by military personell were actually commercial models- hence the even wider range of styling. Knit collars and full leather collars and many differnt pocket styles, shapes and placements were seen.

Have a look at the Martin and Osa Johnson photo gallery and see some images with "A-1" style jackets from the late twenties here:

http://www.safarimuseum.com/exhib_photo_online.htm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/zaphobeeblebrox/m198512570480.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/zaphobeeblebrox/m198512570492.jpg



B
T

[Doug C]

I hear alot of talk of original A-1s being green, but I see as many vintage pictures showing what appears to be suede versions as anything else, I like that idea and look too.

Doug C

[Doug C]

Hey, I don't think I've shown you folks the custom A-1 I had made a few months back. It's made from US Auth's Vintage horsehide and a dull golden (blue jeans thread)thread that I sourced.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/966/usautha11rm5.th.png (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=usautha11rm5.png)

Doug C

[Doug C]

Couple more:

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/6086/usautha12zr3.th.png (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=usautha12zr3.png)

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/123/usautha13uc2.th.png (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=usautha13uc2.png)

Doug C

[scotrace]

That looks like a super color! Nice jacket. Is the hide grainy? From the back it looks really nicely grained. After some break-in, it'll be really terrific.

[Fletch]

Just returned from Italy. I happened to visit the Saturday street market at Verbania Intra, a town on Lake Maggiore, where in addition to a zillion yummy food items and a great proliferation of leather goods I saw quite a few A-1 knockoff jackets on sale.
I didn't buy one - they were very thin skin, probably lamb, with too many seams, and only black and various suedes for colors. But the style lives on, in a certain form.

[Doug C]

Alaine De Cadenet wearing his type A-1 in the Speed Vision series called "Victory By Design" it's a very good series for the vintage European auto sport enthusiast. Alaine's was the first A-1 I ever seen and I just thought I'd post some screen caps of it..

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/840/cap006vw8.th.png (http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cap006vw8.png)

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5746/cap003xx5.th.png (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cap003xx5.png)

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/4383/cap002cj1.th.png (http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cap002cj1.png)

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/180/cap005hu9.th.png (http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cap005hu9.png)

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7720/cap004bu7.th.png (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cap004bu7.png)

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6470/cap007xx3.th.png (http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cap007xx3.png)

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/3882/cap008ht5.th.png (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cap008ht5.png)

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/3908/cap001tu9.th.png (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cap001tu9.png)

Doug C

[Flitcraft]

Would love to see them, but they're not showing up!
Isn't that the A1 he got from Lost Worlds- seems that site makes a big deal about him being one of their customers?

[scotrace]

Another fantastic A1. Thanks for posting these.
(Flitcraft - might they be blocked for you at an office? I can see them ok).

[Doug C]

Not long ago Alain crashed his Vincent motorcycle and here's what was written in an article about it:


The saddest victim of crash was undoubtedly de Cadenet's 50-year-old leather jacket, cut off by the paramedics despite Alain's protestations. Apparently it was a present from his mother, who had received it long ago from an up-and-coming actor friend named… Marlon Brando.


—David Edwards

There were no pictures, but I doubt that it was the A-1.

Doug C

[cheaterome]

Yes, it is a Lost Worlds.



Jerome

[Doug C]

Hey guys, just a note that I posted my A-1 repro up on auction if anyone is looking for one.

Doug C

[henderson field]

I have recently bought an Eastman A-1 and I must say I am delighted with it.

According to the Eastman website this latest A-1 has a new cut but still retains the slim fit of the original. I can vouch for this as I am quite broad across the shoulder and it is a snug fit. However, I prefer that close-in feeling to the baggier A-2's. It is made of "capeskin", a kind of fine sheepskin, and feels wonderfully soft and pliable - almost like glove leather.

If I can work my digital daguerreotype I will post some pics. I agree with many loungers that the style is just perfect!

:offtopic: I really ( really) like Eastman's Hartman jacket, a "Luftwaffe" jacket based on that worn by the German Ace Eric Hartman. The problem I have with it is the wool lining. Admittedly it was a warm day when I tried it on but I think it would be uncomfortably hot in anything less than very cold conditions.

BTW - Does anyone have any tips on cleaning/maintaining leather jackets? AdvThanksance.

Cheers,

HF

[Estevan]

I received my new cape ELC A-1 a little while ago. :eusa_clap Man, what a lovely jacket. I will try to get some pics posted and a review when I have some time. If you are looking for a really smart comfortable A-1 than you should look no further. I lucked out and got this one at a discount because it was on Eastman's sale page and the finished product is even nicer. Like I said, I will get a review posted later.:)

[PADDY]

It's torture waiting for this Steve! Come on, and show us some Spanish Sunny pics of this A-1 on your back :eusa_clap And a personal review to whet out appetites.

Let's see if Gary and Alan have come up with the goods on this one ;)

[Estevan]

Here are a couple of quick pics....I'll try to get a review posted shortly. Unfortunately it's way too warm here in Southern Spain for anything heavier than a polo shirt. But from what I can tell this will be my most comfortable jacket. The cape is wonderful and very soft, it feel like a second skin. This is more like a leather shirt than a jacket. Very comfortable. More to follow.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Senicko/Repros/ELC%20A-1/7d61cbba.jpghttp://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Senicko/Repros/ELC%20A-1/6d548f44.jpg

[Fletch]

Just returned from Italy. I happened to visit the Saturday street market at Verbania Intra, a town on Lake Maggiore, where in addition to a zillion yummy food items and a great proliferation of leather goods I saw quite a few A-1 knockoff jackets on sale.
I didn't buy one - they were very thin skin, probably lamb, with too many seams, and only black and various suedes for colors. But the style lives on, in a certain form.Here's a pic.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1323/542985320_fc9720978c.jpg

[Doug C]

Fletch you should have grabbed one of those suede numbers..pick me one up next time ;) or heck, just take me along next time and I'll get my own.

Doug C

[Doug C]

Oh BTW Steve - your jacket looks amazing in those pictures! Especially like the buttoned one, congrats.

Doug C

[scotrace]

Agreed. It's a great jacket to have. You've gotta be happy with that one.

[Fletch]

I picked up this Italian lambsuede civvy A-1 off eBay for $15 and am hoping to do some experiments on it. Chief among these will be to put knit cuffing on the sleeves, which are way too short as it is.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1140/740956333_ffeb1e7f69_o.jpg

The jacket is unlined (looks like it always was). It bears the label of Carroll & Co., which was (is?) a classy SoCal men's shop. So this was fine goods once upon a time.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1380/730191748_3dd8a9ff8f_o.jpg

The lambsuede is very soft , fine grained, and fragile - ripped 1" into a sleeve gusset and split a cuff seam just stretching out the sleeves after soaking in warm water. A little Amazing Goop cement and a piece of old glove for backing seems to have fixed both. Can you notice?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1321/740395993_382718eae0.jpg

After the knit cuffs, I'm thinking an aviator-type knit collar and maybe even a liner. I haven't touched a sewing machine since home ec class 25 years ago. What am I up against?

In case the suede doesn't clean up well, is there anything keeping me from putting on a darker, maybe low gloss, finish?

[Estevan]

Thanks Doug et all, it's wonderful jacket. Not getting too much use lately with the highs in the 90s. Nonetheless, September will be here soon enough and it wil be just right to go out for a stroll in my A-1. :)

[scotrace]

Fletch, that's a MAJOR project. :)

[Fletch]

Um. How about just cuffs, amd a re-dye if she won't come clean?

[Estevan]

Fletch, That's a darn nice looking jacket and for 15 bucks you can't beat it. I don't think it would be too hard to fix her up either. Personally, if you're not that handy with a thread and needle then send her to a pro. I myself would much rather spend a few extra Euros and have it done than kill myself trying to do it, but that's just me. ether way, great price and nice looking jacket. As for a re-dye, can you do that to suede? I really don't know if you can, maybe someone here can answer that. Looks like a pretty good fit, and once you put the cuffs on I think you can gain a couple of extra inches if the short sleeves don't suit you. Great score!:eusa_clap

[Riley Dee]

Hello Fedora Loungers,

I am under the impression that there wasn't necessarily a standardized A1 design with absolute set specifications and that many of the flyers dictated the subtle details when they bought their own A1 flight jackets.

I am considering having an A1 style jacket made and I am curious about what would be considered accurate for the leather type. I have a choice between goatskin or cow leather. The goatskin is a couple hundred dollars cheaper than the cow.

Is goatskin period correct and do you guys/gals think it would look substantial enough to do an A1 justice?

Thanks.

[scotrace]

As far as I understand it, many A1 jackets were made of capeskin:

Etymology: Cape of Good Hope, Africa
: a light flexible leather made from sheepskins with the natural grain retained and used especially for gloves and garments

Cow or goat, probably not often. Horse seems more likely.

[Fletch]

Cape is aka hairsheep leather. Outside of gloves and organ bellows it seems to be widely unavailable.

I would think lambskin would be OK for an A-1 if it weren't too thin or delicate. There's not much knowledge ot there on the difference between lamb and cape.

[Doug C]

A-1 are my all time favorite and I've owned a few now.. currently own a capeskin version from willis/geiger.. I've had horse and goat also, even had a custom jacket made out of lambskin that was basically an A-1 (just didn't have knits at the cuffs and waist, but did at the collar... also had Indy back panel and side straps). Now that I have the capeskin and seen how light weight it is, I'd say that it's closest to US Authentic's (flightjacket.com) "vintage goatskin" or a light weight Lambskin, either one. The Horsehide I had irritated me because of it's lack of graining and surface texture and character... other than that it was perfect (it was a US Auth custom order). As for cowhide, I'm pretty sure it was used too during those days but I personally would only choose it if it was the kind goodwear sales, with all that character.

ps - Also, another item you should think hard about is the buttons on the very bottom of the jacket, there's usually two..sometimes they are button and sometimes they are snaps.. all the ones I've had have been buttons BUT I strongly suggest getting the snaps because the buttons get to be a real PITA after a while.

Doug C

[number6]

Eastman have just reworked their A1 replica to a more original specification. Check out their website .

[PADDY]

If you go back a few pages you'll see Steve modelling the latest Eastman A-1, of which I understand he is very pleased with ;)

[number6]

If you go back a few pages you'll see Steve modelling the latest Eastman A-1, of which I understand he is very pleased with ;)

Oops sorry , I had failed to see how many pages were already written .:eusa_doh:

[Fletch]

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h50000/h50274.jpg
Adm. David Sellers, Commander-in-Chief, US Fleet, with Cmdr. Alger Dresel, captain of dirigible USS Macon, in her control car over San Francisco in 1934. (Photo: Naval Historical Society)

Note Dresel's uniform of Aviation Working Greens and the Navy spec chest-height pockets on the A-1. It seems to be a lightweight leather rather than the cotton cord jackets (37J1, NA-1) that the Navy was adopting at the time. No way to tell if it was green to match the AWGs, as some Navy A-1s reportedly were.

Note also that CINCUS is wearing a Herbert Hoover choker collar!

[Alan Eardley]

Cape is aka hairsheep leather. Outside of gloves and organ bellows it seems to be widely unavailable.

I would think lambskin would be OK for an A-1 if it weren't too thin or delicate. There's not much knowledge ot there on the difference between lamb and cape.


You're right. Pittards, a tannery in Taunton, Somerset, UK, specialises in supplying the glove industry in the area. They do capeskin, vegetable tanned.

Alan

[Doug C]

Alan wrote:
They do capeskin, vegetable tanned.

Really ? I'd love to be able to source some, especially vegetable tanned... I didn't see anything about it on they're site.. how'd you know this? Anymore info? Thanks.

Doug C

[SamMarlowPI]

I am so getting an A-1...oh Magnoooooliiiiiiiii:D :D lol

[BellyTank]

Alan wrote:

Really ? I'd love to be able to source some, especially vegetable tanned... I didn't see anything about it on they're site.. how'd you know this? Anymore info? Thanks.

Doug C

Here:

http://www.pittards.com/pages/worldclassmanufacturing/gloveleatherdivision.cfm?CFID=1817812&CFTOKEN=9

B
T

[fedoralover]

Check out this link to see pics of Johns A-1 in capeskin, it's amazing. It's 1930's in a box.

http://www.goodwearleather.com/pages/gwa1_images1.html

fedoralover

[fedoralover]

I like to look at different offerings lined up so you can do an easy comparison. Here's some pics of the one's I found from the different vendors.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/fedoralover/lostworldsa1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/fedoralover/A-1eastman2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/fedoralover/A-1Jacketaero.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/fedoralover/usauthen.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/fedoralover/GWA-1.jpg

fedoralover

[HoosierDaddy]

I'll take No. 5..please.
If not No. 3...I'd reckon....

HD

[Estevan]

I have the ELC #2, wish I had John's #5 though. Although my ELC is starting to look like #5....Oh well, did I answer your question? :eusa_doh:

[John Lever]

The Goodwear is my choice.

[WhiskeyTangoFox]

I like the fit of Eastman's (#2) but since they don't do customization, I'd have to go with Good Wear's (#5) and substitute buttons for the bottom snaps. That would be my ideal A-1.

Noel

[BellyTank]

It's gotta be John's Goodwear-

The cut and construction are truly fashioned after originals- add to this, the hide choice AND the ability for customisation- this allows a truly custom, unique and fantastic jacket, which outshines the pretenders and is definitely more than just reminiscent of the '20s/'30s...

I will be having one... one day.

Happy New Year to all
and congrats to Mr. Chapman on being the purveyor of the very, very best.
You WIN!

B
T

[Estevan]

John's is actually more correct than any shown. His 3 piece sleeve construction is spot on. ELCs is incorrect as they have a 2 piece. As for the buttons vice snaps, snaps are correct.

[Damon Falzone]

Who is the manufacturer of #3, please?

[fedoralover]

#1. Lost Worlds

#2. Eastman

#3. Aero

#4. US Authentic

#5. Goodwear


To be honest I was never a fan of the A-1, then bseal posted his pics of the first Goodwear A-1 and I thought, "WOW" that really looks great. So it got me to go back and look at the other ones that different vendors offered and I thought it would be nice to have them all in a row to compare.

I have to say, I still look at the Goodwear and say "WOW!!". It just has a look that the others lack and I can't quite put my finger on it to explain it, but I know it when I see it.

fedoralover

[scotrace]

It's four bottles of flat coke vs. a case of good scotch. :)




1925 in a box.

[greyhound68]

I agree was never a A-1 fan until I saw the Goodwear and had the same reaction as everyone else. Got one on order.

[Fletch]

Best looking: tie between ELC and GW. ELC's is (supposedly) the more faithful copy of one surviving original. I understand John's going for more of a blend of the features of various originals. Each has the classic A-1 look, almost like a trim cardigan rendered in leather.

LW's version cuts a great profile with the broad shoulders and heavy, drapey horsehide. It's more a Hollywood idealization tho - you can imagine Robert Taylor wearing it but not a real, rumpled flier of biplane days. After looking at the GW, the buttons seem way too big.

Aero's isn't bad at all but they need to reposition those pockets lower down. It's as if they wanted to split the difference between the early type chest pockets and the belly pockets used later.

The US-A version interests me least. The baseball type collar was an early Navy spec but it just isn't as practical or dashing as the button-up type. The cut also seems too generous, but that could just be the manikin it's on.

One that's missing: Willis & Geiger. It's actually a better replica than any of their A-2s. Real capeskin and cotton liner. Needs another collar fastener tho, and the contrast between leather color and cuffing is a little too much, giving a baseball jacket effect.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2136/2153746110_2c8abdeda4_o.jpg

[PADDY]

I just 'love' this thread for all the info that's coming out on this most classic of vintage aviation jackets. Thanks gents!!

[PADDY]

http://www.goodwearleather.com/pages/gwa1_images1.html

[greyhound68]

http://www.goodwearleather.com/pages/gwa1_images1.html


Paddy,
Yup this is the one. And guess what it is mine now. I am a happy guy.

[Windsock]

Paddy,
Yup this is the one. And guess what it is mine now. I am a happy guy.

George, I thought that Bseal had claimed the first one...I do like the look but i'm going to stick with the A-2.

Andrew

[greyhound68]

George, I thought that Bseal had claimed the first one...I do like the look but i'm going to stick with the A-2.

Andrew

He did but it didn't quite fit him right so I was able to get it.

[Alan Eardley]

Not a comment on style, detail or construction, but on fit. I think that almost all of the contemorary photographs of A-1s and derivatives that I have seen have a noticably trimmer fit than the photographs of current offerings on models and mannequins. I would apply that to JC's excellent example.

Is this just how they are worn or is it the 'modern cut' (as some manufacturers call it). In other words, I'd be interested in buying a GW A-1 (it would be the only new flight jacket I have ever bought - a retirement 'present') but not if it it fit me like the one on the mannequin or on John. Would JC make it according to my measurements, does anyone know?

Alan

[Fletch]

I'm getting around that by sending John an A-1 knockoff that fits me nicely.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2248/2076182810_5d7923e141.jpg
This is a Ralph Lauren in Italian deersuede. (It's Ralph's non-Polo megabucks label - but I got it for $250 :D).

[Alan Eardley]

Fletch,

Good idea - and good fit!

Alan

I'm getting around that by sending John an A-1 knockoff that fits me nicely.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2248/2076182810_5d7923e141.jpg
This is a Ralph Lauren in Italian deersuede. (It's Ralph's non-Polo megabucks label - but I got it for $250 :D).

[greyhound68]

Not a comment on style, detail or construction, but on fit. I think that almost all of the contemorary photographs of A-1s and derivatives that I have seen have a noticably trimmer fit than the photographs of current offerings on models and mannequins. I would apply that to JC's excellent example.

Is this just how they are worn or is it the 'modern cut' (as some manufacturers call it). In other words, I'd be interested in buying a GW A-1 (it would be the only new flight jacket I have ever bought - a retirement 'present') but not if it it fit me like the one on the mannequin or on John. Would JC make it according to my measurements, does anyone know?

Alan

Alan,
Yes John will do custom work. He did so for me and others on our A2s.

[Doug C]

Hey I went over to VLJ to read up on bseals thread about his Goodwear A-1.. I found the thread but no pictures of it being worn or anything besides the maniquen, actually I couldn't really make out if bseal ever actually received it or not. So I tried to post the question several times and kept getting an error - does anyone know if VLJ is having problems again (I haven't visited in a while).

Doug C

[Alan Eardley]

Great! Thanks. Now I need to pursuade my wife to start saving...

Alan


Alan,
Yes John will do custom work. He did so for me and others on our A2s.

[greyhound68]

Hey I went over to VLJ to read up on bseals thread about his Goodwear A-1.. I found the thread but no pictures of it being worn or anything besides the maniquen, actually I couldn't really make out if bseal ever actually received it or not. So I tried to post the question several times and kept getting an error - does anyone know if VLJ is having problems again (I haven't visited in a while).

Doug C

Doug,
Yes BSeal did get the jacket I got it from him. Yes VLJ is having problems seem to have started yesterday and still not fixed.

[Windsock]

Not a comment on style, detail or construction, but on fit. I think that almost all of the contemorary photographs of A-1s and derivatives that I have seen have a noticably trimmer fit than the photographs of current offerings on models and mannequins. I would apply that to JC's excellent example.

Is this just how they are worn or is it the 'modern cut' (as some manufacturers call it). In other words, I'd be interested in buying a GW A-1 (it would be the only new flight jacket I have ever bought - a retirement 'present') but not if it it fit me like the one on the mannequin or on John. Would JC make it according to my measurements, does anyone know?

Alan

That's my impression as well. As we all know men at that time were on the whole a lot smaller and thinner. Here's a shot of sir Charles Kingsford Smith and Crew of the Southern Cross after the first trans-Pacific flight from LA to Brisbane. In this and a few other shots i've seen their versions also appear to be a kind of suede- but that could just be the old photo I guess.

Kingsford-Smith and Ulm look so cool.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m147/arch5000/Jackets/cks_crew_750.jpg

[Alan Eardley]

Andrew

I've seen other photographs of the illustrious pair and I share your view. The jackets, of course, aren't issue A-1s but are the common type of civilian jacket that inspired the A-1 - just as civilian Irvinsuits inspired the RAF version later.

I would guess they were suede and a probably not lambskin, which makes a very fine suede on the reverse. These examples seem to be courser. I like the baggy trousers and field boots worn with a short jacket. I dress like this sometimes and would do so more often if people didn't do the moustache with the finger thing and goose step around shouting 'Sieg Heil!'. When did this stop being funny, by the way?

Alan

[Windsock]

Alan, I forgot to mention that with regard to size and shape, John spends a lot of time with each order in making sure that it will suit/ fit you in every way- send him a pm if you are interested.

Yes I love that look as well, but in 1928 it was easier to get away with. Interesting to note how differently they dressed for the same flight from Harry Lyon the Nav, and Jim Warner the radio op. 83 hours in the same clothes...

[scotrace]

I like very much that the gentleman second from right is wearing a coat over his leather jacket. It makes it almost a sleeved waistcoat, and reinforces it being intended as a quite fitted garment, for use in layering.

[Alan Eardley]

Andrew,

Yes, thanks. I have a high opinion of John as a collector whcih will easily translate into the same opinion as a manufacturer, I'm sure.

83 hours in the same clothes...sounds like some teenagers I know...

Alan



Alan, I forgot to mention that with regard to size and shape, John spends a lot of time with each order in making sure that it will suit/ fit you in every way- send him a pm if you are interested.

Yes I love that look as well, but in 1928 it was easier to get away with. Interesting to note how differently they dressed for the same flight from Harry Lyon the Nav, and Jim Warner the radio op. 83 hours in the same clothes...

[Fletch]

I like the baggy trousers and field boots worn with a short jacket. I dress like this sometimes and would do so more often if people didn't do the moustache with the finger thing and goose step around shouting 'Sieg Heil!'. When did this stop being funny, by the way?75 years ago this January 30th.

[Rufus]

Happy New year all!

Just got back from Tokyo today..

I'm still jetlagged and dazed, but happily in possession of a new BR wool A1 bought in Ueno.

It's a great lightweight jacket.

I'll post some photos this week..got to get some sleep first!

Oh.. I can't seem to log into VLJ.. It doesn't recognise my password... anyone else had problems?

[jamespibworth@n]

Its not you old chap,

The site has been down for some days now.

[Rufus]

Thanks James...I was afraid I'd messed up something in the log-in procedure...

Hopefully they'll be back soon.. great site.. with some really knowledgeable fellows!

:-) Rufus

[aswatland]

VLJ is now back and you can post!

[Indy Magnoli]

I am so getting an A-1...oh Magnoooooliiiiiiiii:D :D lol

I'm ready when you are! :D

Kind regards,
Magnoli

[Rufus]

Some shots of the Buzz Rickson wool A1.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/mc1juve/A1_FRONT.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/mc1juve/A1_PATCH.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/mc1juve/A1_BAND.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/mc1juve/A1_BACK.jpg

and me happily wearing my new acquisition in Roppongi...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/mc1juve/TOKYO_TOWER1.jpg

[Flitcraft]

That's awesome!

[greyhound68]

Very nice looks like it is well done as is most BR stuff.

[Doug C]

If anyone here's looking for a wonderfull A-1 I just posted one for sale.

Doug C

[Fletch]

Just acquired of FL/VLJ'er John Lever. This is pieced horsehide, supposedly based on a 30s jacket pattern.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2311/2218906885_c0166df81c.jpghttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2192/2218907011_29466c4d93.jpg

4 pc back, 6 pc front, 3 pc sleeves. Lower front of each sleeve is a separate panel.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2115/2218906945_c059131625.jpghttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2323/2219700506_8fb13a5525.jpg

Very generous size 44, OK by me, because I can wear a heavy sweater under it. Extra deep pockets too (see brand new pencil for scale).
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2377/2219700574_d6e52c7149_m.jpghttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2364/2218907055_658685059a_m.jpghttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2394/2218907133_723f266faf_m.jpg

[Flitcraft]

looks great!:)

[rumblefish]

Just acquired of FL/VLJ'er John Lever. This is pieced horsehide, supposedly based on a 30s jacket pattern.


4 pc back, 6 pc front, 3 pc sleeves. Lower front of each sleeve is a separate panel.


Very generous size 44, OK by me, because I can wear a heavy sweater under it. Extra deep pockets too (see brand new pencil for scale).


Nice! Looks like it fits very well.

Unusual collar buttons? Do you have a close up?

[Fletch]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2277/2221597174_119836142a.jpg
The collar has 2 buttons that are slightly smaller and of a little bit lighter colored material than the rest of the buttons. (I erred earlier - the waist buttons are full size.)

Notice that the top button is a little further outboard to make a trim closure at the collar. That really comes in handy these cold, blowy days, because I don't need a scarf, just a turtleneck under it.

[rumblefish]

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee144/stumblecookies/DSC00723.jpg

My Eastman A-1. I usually wear a 42 short, but Charles measured me for a 44 custom short. I think because of the 44 chest, the waist came a little roomy. By the way it fits though, I don't think I would get into a 42.

[Fletch]

Sharp! Is this the revised cape model, copied off the real thing? Or the previous one (steer, supposedly done from photos)?

[rumblefish]

Thanks.
This is the revised one. Very soft! Looks great with a tie.
I'm about to post some shots of my Doniger from GW on the GW thread.

[Estevan]

Here's a pic of the new revised cape after about 3 months of almost daily wear. I have Pecarded it once and really do not baby it at all. Today it was out all day in the Andalucian sun on horseback. I try to beat the crap out of it when I can. This is my favorite jacket. It's like wearing a leather shirt it's so comfortable. forget the rest, it it's not made of cape IMO it's not an authentic A-1. BTW Rumblefish GREAT JACKET!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Senicko/Repros/ELC%20A-1/CIMG6799.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Senicko/Repros/ELC%20A-1/CIMG6800.jpg


When New:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Senicko/Repros/ELC%20A-1/7d61cbba.jpg

[rumblefish]

Yours seems to fit well around the waist. What size?

Mine came with that silly white tag sewn to the spec tag, I'd like to remove it but I'm afraid of ruining the tag or lining.

[Estevan]

Yours seems to fit well around the waist. What size?

Mine came with that silly white tag sewn to the spec tag, I'd like to remove it but I'm afraid of ruining the tag or lining.

Mine's a 38 (I'm a little guy)

I didn't have a little white tag, if they're bought here in the EU there's no need to put a origin tag on them.

[scotrace]

Great break-in. Looks great.

Rumblefish - excellent jacket!

[Estevan]

Great break-in. Looks great.

Rumblefish - excellent jacket!

Thanks Scotrace. I love this jacket, it's the only one I've actually been wearing. It's so comfortable I don't even want to grab an A-2. :o

[Estevan]

Here are some better pics of my ELC A-1 I took this morning. This jacket is looking better every day.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Senicko/CIMG6869.jpg


Check out the folds and the grain....

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Senicko/CIMG6870.jpg

[WhiskeyTangoFox]

Thanks for posting those pictures, Rumblefish and Estevan. It's nice to see the contrast between when the jacket is/was new against when it's seen some service. Capeskin sure looks pretty!

Noel

[Estevan]

Thanks for posting those pictures, Rumblefish and Estevan. It's nice to see the contrast between when the jacket is/was new against when it's seen some service. Capeskin sure looks pretty!

Noel

This A-1 is very comfortable and almost like not even wearing a jacket. It's the first one I grab when I go out the door.

[Estevan]

I just saw one for sale on eBay, for those of you who are interested. I won't post the link due to forum restrictions, but you can find it with not much problem.

[Bogie1943]

Honestly, as much as I love the A-2, the A-1 is really my all time favorite. I love it's early style. Theres just something about all the buttons. Being made before the invention of the zipper, if my history is correct. It's one of those jackets I sit on the Eastman site and just can't stop looking at.

[Mike1973]

Think this splendidly attired chap deserves a place here...

http://www.shorpy.com/files/images/18053u.preview.jpg

Just clocked him on the Shorpy blog, there is a high res version here...

http://www.shorpy.com/node/2765?size=_original

[Fletch]

Someone paid dang near the price for brand new on this US Authentic A-1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160222577149).
(I know this 'cause I took the retail price and subtracted $50 for my high bid.)

Now why would these be worth nearly as much (or more?!) pre-owned from Joe Blow than straight from Shaul and fitted to your request?
Is it the promise of a little bit of break-in character?
Or just the competitive drive to Win It? After all, any moax with 4 bills to spend can order one. No challenge there.

[Atticus Finch]

Here some photos of my new Goodwear A-1. As you can see, it's is the Army Air Corps version with the lower, smaller pockets. I asked John to follow the original government specs as closely as possible, so the jacket's leather is capeskin.

By the way, the fedora is an Akubra Stylemaster.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f248/g-1/geoffjacket017.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f248/g-1/geoffjacket006.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f248/g-1/geoffjacket021.jpg

AF

[Edward]

Great look, Atticus.... I'd swap the black plastic for a vintage Fender style tweed case to complete the picture. ;) The Stylemaster really works very well with the A1.

[Atticus Finch]

.... I'd swap the black plastic for a vintage Fender style tweed case to complete the picture. ;)

Hi Edward,

I used to have such a case for one of my Fenders. I agree, it would have made the photo much better---especially since I was trying to create a "Down at the Crossroads" sort of theme. But I sold it, and the Telecaster in it, about two years ago.

AF

[scotrace]

I wish I could put something together that had half that much style. Fantastic, Atticus. Great jacket, hat, tie, all of it.

[rumblefish]

Very nice Atticus! The fit looks perfect. :eusa_clap
Enjoy!

[Atticus Finch]

Thanks for the comments, folks. I really like the jacket. I think many younger jacketheads would say the fit is a bit large, and it may be, but I purposefully asked John to cut it on the large side. Experience has taught me that trim, military-fitting jackets fail to make me look like a trim, twenty-year-old fighter pilot. Instead, they make me look like a fat, fifty-year-old lawyer who is unsuccessfully trying to look like a twenty-year-old fighter pilot. Anyhow, try as I may, I just can't abide tight-fitting clothing, especialy jackets. Finally, since ordering my A-1 last February, I've managed to lose about twenty pounds. Yes, I know. Its hard to believe judging from my impressive largeness in the above photos, but true it is---twenty pounds since July.

AF

[JanSolo]

I've ordered an A-1 from Aero's sales page. This is going to be a jacket for my father. It's in size 40. Unfortunately (or luckily) it is growing more and more on me....if me father doesn't like it, I'll keep it. Does any of you gents have a couple of additional photos of the A-1? Any opinion on Aero's, Eastman's, LW's etc. A-1 is very much appreciated. Many thanks in advance!!

[John Lever]

Loads of choice. Capeskin is the correct spec. but horsehide is popular because of its toughness.
Goodwear -

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a269/johnlever/GW%20A1/IMGP1762.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a269/johnlever/GW%20A1/IMGP1787.jpg

Eastman -

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a269/johnlever/A1%20Jackets/IMGP1889.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a269/johnlever/A1%20Jackets/IMGP1912.jpg

Aero steer oilpull -
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a269/johnlever/A1%20Jackets/2006-05-05040.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a269/johnlever/A1%20Jackets/2006-05-05043.jpg

Buzz Ricksons Bronco horse -

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a269/johnlever/BuzzRicksons030.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a269/johnlever/BuzzRicksons032.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a269/johnlever/BuzzRicksons046.jpg

[scotrace]

Read this thread. (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?t=1594&highlight=Ultimate)

[BellyTank]

The Goodwear A-1 looks fantastic.
No comment on the others.


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[JanSolo]

Thanks everybody! John, your A-1s look fantastic!! Especially the Goodwear and the Eastman suit my taste. The jacket I have on order is made from oilpull HH which is considered to be a medium weight leather. How comfortable is your oilpull steer version? Would you say that it is a heavy jacket compared to an A-2?

[Fletch]

No longer made:

Willis & Geiger, capeskin
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2093/2373745565_514ecd6373.jpg

Lost Worlds, pieced horse (John says it's a 30s design)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2192/2218907011_5a7825a2eb_o.jpg

[JanSolo]

Amazing jackets, Gents!:eusa_clap

[John Lever]

Jan, I no longer own the Oil pull jacket. I remember it was quite lightweight

[PADDY]

Merged. - PM.;)

[Fletch]

Great, now I've posted my pix twice to the same thread without even wanting to. ;) What a self-regarding bore I must be!

[Fletch]

And it's not even all gimmicked up! (http://www.amazon.com/Landing-Flight-Leather-Bomber-Jacket/dp/B001GH2LOO/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=apparel&qid=1227731291&sr=8-5)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3050/3061306203_b5f22cc2e6.jpghttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3001/3062147342_a381f98cfa.jpg

[Senicko_Spain]

This jacket doesn't even qualify to be posted here, it's a waste of bandwidth. YUCK!

[Senicko_Spain]

;)


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Senicko/Repros/elc%20a-1%20seal/CIMG7284.jpg

[Rufus]

Steve.. What are the extra buttons for on the collar ?(I think they're buttons.. the little white ones..)

:-) rufus

[Senicko_Spain]

Steve.. What are the extra buttons for on the collar ?(I think they're buttons.. the little white ones..)

:-) rufus


They are the bone backing buttons of the collar buttons.

As per ELC's site....


Custom made real horn backing buttons, again in absolutely the correct shade, and dimension.

[Fletch]

consider it a test bed. Cook it in the clothes dryer, spray on some of that overcolor that wears thru, do patches, and like that.

Smaller buttons would help too. Those things are the size of 50¢ pieces.

[Senicko_Spain]

Cook it in the clothes dryer, spray on some of that overcolor that wears thru, do patches, and like that.

How `bout just tossin`it in the trash.:eusa_clap What a piece of crap, gotta love the collar though, what a hoot!lol lol

[Fletch]

Your A-1s must really feel insulted. If so, I apologize to them.