Pomade

[Slicksuit]

My experience is that you have to work the dickens out of the stuff to make it blend well with your hair. As much as I've tried to emulsify Murray's with my fingers, it still comes up as little flecks in my hair. I've only tried it on damp hair, though. Maybe better results with dry hair?

[Chad Sanborn]

The Murray's website has tips on how to use their products. Mostly to remove it from the hair though. They do mention the can was made of metal in the early days so that it could be heated on the stove top, but they don't reccomend that now.
Try using a hair dryer to heat a small amount. Remember that this stuff is meant to be left in for a while, so it doesn't come out easilly.

Chad

[flat-top]

..........I'd use a blow dryer to melt it a little. It will solidify shortly thereafter. I can't think of another way to get it evenly though your hair.
flat-top

[wackyvorlon]

I have had some luck heating the tin under running water. I'm finding that it works better if I swirl my finger on the surface of the warmed pomade, then run a 'streak' of it in my hair. I'm going to pick myself up a metal comb, and try heating it under hot water to help move the stuff around. I tryed dipping my comb in it, then combing it into my hair. Abject failure.

I will say, it holds like nothing I've ever seen before(I can shake my head like mad and no movement), and it isn't "crunchy". I've used Dippity-Do in the past, but I find it solidifies. Which is generally fine, but over time it gets broken up and ceases to hold. With Murray's, I can just comb my hair again and everything's back the way it should be.

[elsewhere]

My husband takes a swirl of it onto his comb and heats it up with a hairdryer and continues to to use the hairdryer on it as he's combing it through his hair.

He gets pretty good results that way :)

[PrettyBigGuy]

Rather then heat the whole tin, I remove the lid and then move the inverted tin over an open flame (such as a candle ) in a circular motion for about 20 seconds or so. Then I remove a few fingers worth and work it through my hair. You have to take it easy otherwise it feels as though you are going to scalp yourself! After that I apply a bit of Tres Fleurs brilliantine. It breaks up the hold of Murrays a bit so I can get a comb or brush through it, plus it adds a nice shine.
Getting it out is the difficult part, so I ususally leave it in, adding a bit more each day for touch ups, for 3-4 days before washing my hair again. I find that standard dish washing liquid works the best to remove it!
I insisted that all of my groomsman style their hair using this method for my recent vintage themed wedding and it worked out very well. None of these guys are into the Golden Era so there was a lot of bellyaching going on while they applied it!
http://images12.fotki.com/v197/photos/1/117462/2400550/Wedding4-vi.gif
We all got a lot of compliments about the look throughout the night.
PBG

[FALLOUT]

PBG you guys look really slick!!! I especially like the backdrop. Nice pic!!

[jamespowers]

Boy this stuff sounds like a bear to work with. Thanks for posting though. It made up mind for me. I am staying with American Crew Pomade. :p ;)

Regards to all,

J

[SHARPETOYS]

I just wish I had enough hair to put it on. :cry: :cry: :cry:

[MudInYerEye]

I've been using Murray's for thirteen years. I just run the open can under a hot tap for thirty or forty seconds and douse my hands and scalp with said hot water before scooping and applying, then comb away. Hell on a pillow case, but grand stuff.

[wesdacat]

I put it on in the shower with it runnin real hot......Works for me...:

[Vladimir Berkov]

Another option is to start with Murray's Super Light. It is a lot easier to work with because it isn't as thick and hard. You can basically scoop it up with your fingers at room temperature and work it in without a comb. The hold is not quite as good but it washes out in a couple of days with just ordinary shampoo.

[FredDairy]

This one's for all the hair people out there...

I got a tin of Royal Crown Pomade the vintage is unknown but I'd suspect it to be from the 50s or early 60s(with a price marked 29 cents). The tin is still full with the original product and aside from not smelling like the new stuff it looks exactly the same, and appears to have the same consistancy as the Royal Crown Hairdressing. I'm yet to actually see a modern tin of Royal Crown Pomade but I wonder how similar the pomade is to the hairdressing.

It's pretty cool that this stuff is still made by the J. Strickland Co.

http://i22.ebayimg.com/01/i/06/3f/cc/b5_1.JPG

[flat-top]

I would say that tin is from the 50's. Also, I think the "hairdressing" and the "pomade" are the same thing..just marketed to different people. I collect vintage pomades and waxes and have a few things that are the same product with different names. On the flipside, Lucky Tiger made all different things, and called them all Butch Wax! There was a mousse like one in a can, and I actually own a bottle of hair tonic called, you guessed it, LIQUID Butch Wax!!

[Wild Root]

Mmm, vintage pomade! Say, have you tried some of that yet? I would be so tempted to try something like that... since it's the same thing after all those years... I'd try it once just to say I did... then, put it on the shelf and let it age some more.

It is really nice to see that some things really don't change after all these years... only the design of the time has changed some what, it's still the same logo and colors... amazing!

I use Royal Crown when I get all dressed up... it works well for me but, man, some times I wish there was a better way of getting that stuff out of my hair then say using dish soap.lol

=WR=

[FredDairy]

Flat-top, and Wild-root,
Maybe Royal Crown Pomade and Royal Crown Hairdressing are the same thing, but I've heard they are not. However, that was just from reading on discussion forms like this. They definatly come in two different tins.
http://havanabeautysupply.com/scstore/graphics/andy1005.gif
http://slickville.com/sections/downtown/greaseshop/products/Royalcrown.JPG

I'm tempted about trying, buy my maternal grandfather is bald, and I don't need to quicken any of nature's natural processes right now lol. Even the font on the vintage tin says "an exclusive formula" in the same font as it does on the new tin. Both the hairdressing and vintage pomade have the same ingridents.

I get Royal Crown to wash out with suave shampoo, it's the cheapest stuff around here. The secret is to put the shampoo in your hair before it gets wet.

[Wild Root]

I get Royal Crown to wash out with suave shampoo, it's the cheapest stuff around here. The secret is to put the shampoo in your hair before it gets wet.

Mmmmmm, I'll have to try that! Thanks for the tip pal!:eusa_clap

=WR=

[jake_fink]

The ingredients in the pomade and the dressing are the same, so presumably they are the same thing. I have two vintage cans of RC that I use now and then, but the fragrance is gone. BEWARE wearing this stuff in the sun. It can accelerate the burning of your scalp. Ouch!

[Tony in Tarzana]

Well, some people wear hats when out in the sun. lol

Ya know, they should make a combination pomade and sunscreen for us baldies. ;)

[resortes805]

i heard that the people from Murray's have acquired the Sweet Georgia Brown label and will be re-releasing SGB pomades soon.

[FredDairy]

The ingredients in the pomade and the dressing are the same, so presumably they are the same thing. I have two vintage cans of RC that I use now and then, but the fragrance is gone. BEWARE wearing this stuff in the sun. It can accelerate the burning of your scalp. Ouch!

That's what I'm thinking as well. But like I said some people say the pomade is slighty thicker. Every Walgreens and Jewel-Osco around here in Chicago carries the Hairdressing but not the Pomade(I've even seen Royal Crown Shaving powder). So I decided to order some Royal Crown Pomade over the internet and the shipping came out to be something like $9.00 for a $2.50 product, that got pretty hard to justify so I cancelled. Maybe I'll take a road trip to Memphis and vist the J. Strickland and CO.

I hadn't heard that Murray's was going to start selling the SGB line. That's great news. But if you really need it now check out Rob's Chop Shop he's got it for $10.00 a tin!
http://www.robschopshop.com/ordergrease.htm

[Mr. Rover]

YES! That's where I got my Royal Crown! I had bought a big can of it from Walgreens in NY last year, but was running low. I bought two smaller ones from Jewel-osco over the weekend. I was so glad. I use the hairdressing almost everyday. I usually wash it out every other day, and I find that my hair is better the second day, perhaps from soaking in all the hairdressing.

[Zach R.]

I finally found some RC in a Wal-Mart about thirty minutes away, its nothing like I was suspecting, its MUCH more pliable than the Murrays and MUCH easier to get out.

My hair really needs a break, though.:p

[Zach R.]

I got a kick out of the ingredients too: Petroleum, Olive Oil, Fragrance. Period.lol

[Wild Root]

Plain and simple... I love it!

=WR=

[Salv]

i heard that the people from Murray's have acquired the Sweet Georgia Brown label and will be re-releasing SGB pomades soon.

That would be very good news if it turns out to be true. My wife is a hairdresser and she has an account with a chain of hairdressing suppliers - when I heard SGB had been discontinued I borrowed her account card and visited every branch of the wholesalers I could find to stock up on SGB. I managed to get 6 tins of red, then found a UK eBay seller that had some tins of blue left, so I bought 3 of the blue as well.

[FredDairy]

I finally found some RC in a Wal-Mart about thirty minutes away, its nothing like I was suspecting, its MUCH more pliable than the Murrays and MUCH easier to get out.

My hair really needs a break, though.:p

Murray's Superior is killer(in a bad way), and I never liked how stiff it would get. I'm always recombing my hair and everytime I would with Murray's I'd get a few hairs stuck on the comb with that stuff. It's always a struggle between hold and shine. The RC gives a great shine but not much hold.

[Matt Deckard]

I still use mineral oil... though i might go to pomade for a while
I prefer brilliantine... need to try Royal Crown fora few days and try to put in some 30' style

http://www.stargalleries.com/star%20families/dick%20powell%20son%20norman.jpg

[jake_fink]

I was looking for something for another thread and came across this. Made me think of the vintage RC.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i300/j-f_photos/9dcb7533.jpg

lol

[FredDairy]

I made a trip down to Memphis and found Royal Crown Pomade. I also tried to find the Royal Crown plant but the neighborhood was terrible.

The verdict is that Royal Crown Hairdressing and Royal Crown Pomade although containing the same ingredients are very different in smell, feel, and color.

I also found Tuxedo Club Pomade this comes in the most vintage looking cardboard tin I've seen.

[Alan Eardley]

This one's for all the hair people out there...

I got a tin of Royal Crown Pomade the vintage is unknown but I'd suspect it to be from the 50s or early 60s(with a price marked 29 cents).

http://i22.ebayimg.com/01/i/06/3f/cc/b5_1.JPG

I'm not sure how accurate the people who designed the can were likely to be, but the crown is a Queen's (rather than a King's) crown, which would date it as 1953 or later.

Alan

[jake_fink]

I'm not sure how accurate the people who designed the can were likely to be, but the crown is a Queen's (rather than a King's) crown, which would date it as 1953 or later.

Alan

It seems somewhat unlikely that the makers of Royal Crown would feel obliged to design or redesign their label according to the reigning monarch of another country.

[FredDairy]

Then it's funny that the modern Royal Crown Pomade says "for men".

http://www.adiscountbeauty.com/media/1111picturmurr.jpg

[FredDairy]

Anyone ever hear of Tuxedo Club pomade?

[Marc Chevalier]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i300/j-f_photos/9dcb7533.jpg



From a '30s issue of Esquire, right? I've seen it before.

It was definitely a different time: "You can't wash your hair every day -- as you do your face and hands..."



.

[Sir Dobbs]

I recently picked up a can of Murray's pomade for $1.80. Probably five months worth in a can; good value! Anyways I was wondering if anyone here uses it. I believe it was invented in the fortys and is very respected among pomades.

[resortes805]

I have over 17 different types of pomades under my bathroom counter, but Murray's is the only tin that I ever had to replace (again and agaiin). It's great.

[pigeon toe]

5 months worth?! My boyfriend uses up a tin of Murray's in about a month! Then again, my boyfriend wears his hair in a 50's pompadour, so its quite long in the front. You must have short hair to make that tin last 5 months!

[reetpleat]

Murrays is one of th thickest. I used to wear it back when I was full on vintage in SF. I can't imagine it now. I can't believe I ever did. Having a big sticky mess of grease on my hair would drive me crazy. No wonder I couldn't get a date with a normal girl.

But if you get used to it and don't mind it, go to town. No pomade will give your hair better set and hold it better. The other good part is that unlike modern pomades, it does not really set. I comb in warm water will allow you to run it through your hair anytime.

Not so sure if it was intended for white guys though. Most of the old cans have pics of african americans and recommend putting it on and wearing a doo rag overnight to set it. They may have changed the cans since. Also, I think there are two types, one is a much heavier set.

[Salv]

I always found Murray's a bit too heavy and very tough to wash out. I prefer Sweet Georgia Brown in the blue tin on freshly washed hair, topped up daily with the lighter SGB in the red tin. I did read on another thread in the Lounge that SGB has been bought by Murray's - can anyone confirm that?

[flat-top]

I always found Murray's a bit too heavy and very tough to wash out. I prefer Sweet Georgia Brown in the blue tin on freshly washed hair, topped up daily with the lighter SGB in the red tin. I did read on another thread in the Lounge that SGB has been bought by Murray's - can anyone confirm that?
Yup, they are now owned by Murray's. Here is their new website:
http://sweetgeorgiabrownpomade.com/
Unfortunately, I see no purchasing info on this site. SGB in the blue can ain't easy to find in the U.S!

[griffer]

I started with Murray's, but I have light weight, straight hair, so I switched to Murray's light.
I moved away from the Murray's, and on to a tackier product, two actually by Bumble & Bumble. These allow me to get more volume in my pomp when I want it. They are also water soluble.

I have also tried a product called LayRite. Great tin. It is water soluble as well, but has more vintage appeal.

http://layrite.com/images/images_10821/can_lid_blk_bgd_large.JPG

[Salv]

Yup, they are now owned by Murray's. Here is their new website:
http://sweetgeorgiabrownpomade.com/
Unfortunately, I see no purchasing info on this site. SGB in the blue can ain't easy to find in the U.S!

Thanks for that flat-top - there is still a seller with some tins on UK eBay, charging £4.45 per tin + shipping (they ship internationally too).

The SGB site says that the blue is softer than the red, so I wonder if Murray's have changed the formula.

[flat-top]

Thanks for that flat-top - there is still a seller with some tins on UK eBay, charging £4.45 per tin + shipping (they ship internationally too).

The SGB site says that the blue is softer than the red, so I wonder if Murray's have changed the formula.
Hmm...I hope not! The blue can, for me has(had?) the perfect hold. The red is more greasy like Royal Crown, and that doesn't work for me at all!

[melankomas]

Yup, they are now owned by Murray's. Here is their new website:
http://sweetgeorgiabrownpomade.com/
Unfortunately, I see no purchasing info on this site. SGB in the blue can ain't easy to find in the U.S!

i use sweet georgia brown in the red tin, and i get it from a store in Burbank:

http://www.8ballwebstore.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=50

[Sir Dobbs]

I have light (and yes, short) hair. So far my favorite has been Murray's with Beeswax. Lighter than Murray's (though I often mix the two), but incredibly stiff. I would like to try NuNile but haven't seen it around.

[Sir Dobbs]

5 months worth?! My boyfriend uses up a tin of Murray's in about a month! Then again, my boyfriend wears his hair in a 50's pompadour, so its quite long in the front. You must have short hair to make that tin last 5 months!

Perhaps a bit of an exaggeration. Maybe three? I don't imagine your boyfriend's lasting that long!

[Sir Dobbs]

...Not so sure if it was intended for white guys though. Most of the old cans have pics of african americans and recommend putting it on and wearing a doo rag overnight to set it. They may have changed the cans since. Also, I think there are two types, one is a much heavier set.

http://www.briansetzer.com/photos/Cats/cats013.jpg
There's at least two of us!

[Hammelby]

Uh, i quitted that murrays.. the orange one at least.
It seriously took me 3-4 hairwashes to get out, and combing with that just pulled way to many of my hairs out (yes im aging :rolleyes: )

What i REEEALY recomens is a pomade brand called "Black Diamond", extra hold. Its soft to the touch, and smells like lemon, and holds and greases increadbly well. And the best is, it washes out first time!
(im unsure if its sold in the US, but rockabillies in Sweden uses it alot).

[Ms. McGraw]

I know that my gentleman friend uses a mix of half Murray’s (the heavier weight) and half Royal Crown, as do several of his friends. As for getting it out, I make sure he washes his hair with a good clarifying shampoo. This seems to remove it well. If you’re in a real pinch, and have really used too much pomade Dawn dishwashing liquid can be used to wash it out of both hair, and pillow cases. ICK! There is NOTHING worse than the feeling of a greasy pillow case against one’s face!

[jamespowers]

Not so sure if it was intended for white guys though. Most of the old cans have pics of african americans and recommend putting it on and wearing a doo rag overnight to set it. They may have changed the cans since. Also, I think there are two types, one is a much heavier set.

No, you are right. My wife used to work in the beauty products industry for a few years and she tells me Murray's was actually designed for that demographic.
They call it an "ethnic hair product" but white people used it because it is cheaper than caucasian hair products. :p

Regards,

J

[kools]

I've used 'em all...currently settled on American Greaser Supply 40 wt. Not as thick as Murray's but not as greasy as Royal Crown.

[reetpleat]

Uh, i quitted that murrays.. the orange one at least.
It seriously took me 3-4 hairwashes to get out, and combing with that just pulled way to many of my hairs out (yes im aging :rolleyes: )

What i REEEALY recomens is a pomade brand called "Black Diamond", extra hold. Its soft to the touch, and smells like lemon, and holds and greases increadbly well. And the best is, it washes out first time!
(im unsure if its sold in the US, but rockabillies in Sweden uses it alot).


I guess I am not such a diehard anymore. I use a light dressing made for african americans, but not at all greasy, and when I want a vintage look, I use a product called stiff, which holds pretty well. You can't recomb it, and it is stiff, but you can wash it out easily and no greasy feel. If it worked for my hair and wasn't so expensive I would opt for some of the modern salon pomades.

Man, you should have seen my shower. I had to clean it all the time to get the sludge off.

[FredDairy]

I've tried Murray's, Murray's Superlight, Nu-Nile, Royal Crown Hairdressing, Royal Crown Pomade, Black and White, Black Magic, Dixie Peach, and even the Crew stuff. Murray's regular is just WAY too thick for my hair. I'm trying to get a more 60s pompadour now and have been using gel, brylcreem and hairspray. It washes out so much easier and I swear my hair and scalp are both healthier now. I've only been pomade free for about a week now but I think it's already noticable. We'll see how long I can lay off the stuff, it really is addicting.

[Salv]

Speaking of Royal Crown, there's a double CD compilation of Nashville R&B and soul that has a Royal Crown radio advert made by Little Richard for the Gene Nobles show on WLAC "...even ol' Long Tall Sally use it...I goes for the girls with that Royal Crown look, 'cos man, hmm, She's Got It!"
You can hear the whole thing here (http://www.nighttraintonashville.com/music.html) - click on the link for Little Richard: WLAC commercial

[Mr. 'H']

I use the red tin of Sweet Georgia Brown. I have a new tin and an older one. I am annoyed at the new font they are using now with the newer tin - it is comic sans or something similar.

:( New tin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Old tin :cry:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/Hursonsuits/SweetGeorgiaBrown.jpg

[Salv]

I use the red tin of Sweet Georgia Brown. I have a new tin and an older one. I am annoyed at the new font they are using now with the newer tin - it is comic sans or something similar.


Where did you find the old tin?

[matei]

The "regular" Murrays is way to heavy, and very hard to wash out.

However, I use the beeswax-based version that Murrays puts out (in the yellow plastic "tin") and it is fine. It is very easy to wash out, and holds great.

[FredDairy]

I may just be stating the obvious but these pomade threads are lacking photos of those heads using the mentioned brand. Everyone has probably got a diferent head of hair, and a different cut, which probably leads to the product usage discrepancies among posters.

[Astrobeej]

I may just be stating the obvious but these pomade threads are lacking photos of those heads using the mentioned brand. Everyone has probably got a diferent head of hair, and a different cut, which probably leads to the product usage discrepancies among posters.

I've been using Murray's Super Light for the cast of "The Smiling Man".

http://www.strafe.com/art/photos/SmilingMan/ThePhoto.jpg

It looks good and holds well, but man do my actors bitch, moan and whine about washing it out after a shoot! It takes two or three washings with dishsoap to get it completely out!

Beej

[Mr. 'H']

Where did you find the old tin?

Got it from my barber, L. Finnegan prop., The Waldorf Barber Saloon. It's a 1940s style barbershop in Dublin.

I am still using that tin.

[Mr. Rover]

I use Murray's for special occassions, like the winter formal- that stuff hold like no other!
For everyday stuff, I use Royal Crown Hair Dressing. It gives my hair enough hold to stay up when I want it to, but allows me to look disheveled/relaxed/casual with my friends, even if I'm wearing a three-piece suit.
When my hair is shorter, I use Nu-Nile, as it has more hold (my hair tends to stick up) but not as much as Murray's original. Brylcreem and Groom N' Clean I use for when my hair gets thick after like a month of not getting a haircut. I don't really need the hold, and all the grease from the other products would feel gross...

Royal Crown on any ol' day
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/WrongEra/EricaRayCheeks.jpg

Murray's with a touch of Brylcreem or RC for shine
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/WrongEra/DSC04918.jpg

Where would you gents rank Wildroot Cream Oil?

[Hammelby]

ICK! There is NOTHING worse than the feeling of a greasy pillow case against one’s face!

Ha ha.. makes one wonder if sleeping with a hairnet is a good thing.. But that wont solve the problem of soiling i guess?

[adem]

Im a Dax man myself,

only average hold, but Im all about the shine.

[Scott]

Murrays is good stuff. Actually developed in the 1920's I believe. Try mixing it with a bit of Lucky Tiger 3 Purpose hair tonic to thin and apply.

Washes out pretty well with Ivory bath soap.


Scott

[HadleyH]

When I had a pixie haircut I used sometimes Murray's Pomade on the ends, it was a bit heavy but I only used a minimal amount. I don't see much of a difference between Murray"s or any other pomade. :)

[redavis001]

I like Nu-Nile and Sweet Georiga brown

If you live in Dallas Swing by Robs Chop Shop and Pick up some of his custom wax.

http://www.robschopshop.com/index2.html

Although I mainly use wax for the summer in winter I really prefer tonic. Im using some Jeris right now...well not exactly "right now" ...anyways it's great.

Davis

[6StringShooter]

Have any of yall used any of the top three brands of pomade? Any pros or cons for any of them? I'm thinking of switching but I'm not sure. Thanks!

[scotrace]

I am using American Crew most days, but haven't tried the others.

[hotrod_elf]

My husband uses Murray's. He was using Black and White but in the Hot ATL it would melt down his face litirally. The Murray's is great if your hair is longer than 3 inches. You have to use dish soap to wash out if you are like my husband and doesn't use shampoo and likes to build up a base of product. Most girls find this gross but I'm easy going. He has his own set of pillow cases.

As far as a Lady's opinion. I like Murray's smells nice as does Black and White. To me Royal Crown stinks. I haven't heard or seen Amercian Crew.

[6StringShooter]

I like Murray's smells nice as does Black and White. To me Royal Crown stinks.

I agree. I just don't know that American crew has the hold that murray's does...

[Fletch]

I used to use Crew Fiber when I had enough hair to sweep it back. Once or twice I tried Crew Pomade. That was the ultimate greasy kid stuff - I wore it to a gig and smelled so of emollients I nearly puked into my saxophone.

I never have put cheese or cola beverages in my hair. They would make it too sticky.

[cheaterome]

Sweet Georgia Brown if you can get it, black and white a close second, or Rob's Chop Shop---- pick your weight by need.

Jerome

[skbellis]

I use American Crew Pomade just about everyday and I have not had any problems with it. Maybe because I don't use it to excess (afraid to push the "greasy" edge). I have also used the American Crew Grooming Cream a couple of times with mixed results. The grooming cream has a tendency to give me the "Shemp" hair and doesn't seem to wash out as easily as the Pomade does.

On a side note, in the US beauty supply places ( like Sally Beauty Supply) sell knock off versions (the ingredients seem to be identical and the labeling is very similiar) of American Crew products for about 1/2 the price. I have bought the knock-off pomade and have been very happy with it.

---Scott

[goldwyn girl]

My husband uses Rob's Chop Shop, hard to wash out. Layrite, easy to wash out, smells nice, and has good hold, or Groom and Clean, easy to wash out too. All depending on the length of his hair and the style and height of his pomp. He has Murrays and Royal Crown but uses those rarely. He also has his own pillow cases as they are easily ruined by the "grease"

[Mr. Rover]

I've used all three- The weakest is American Crew, which is like trying to hold your hair down with butter. It also smells strange, kind of artifical and plasticky. I prefer Royal Crown for everyday- it's got enough hold to hold my hair place but let it come down if I need to look nonchalant. Murray's is good for the formal occassions when you need to slick your hair back and leave it there for the whole night.

[6StringShooter]

thank you folks very much for your kind and prompt replies, but it won't matter for a while b/c my hair is BUTCHERED (please see "what to do with curly hair" post). Thank you! I think I'm going to stick to Murray's though b/c the American Crew doesn't have enough hold to keep mine down :)

[The real Henry]

It may sounds strange, but I usually use hand cold-creme. It's pretty cheap and works fine.

I also once tried to use wax made from coconut oil but I seem to be kinda allergic to that stuff.[huh]



Regards,
Henrik

[Senator Jack]

I've changed again. Used to use American Crew and then C+, but now it's Simply Organic Wax. Women can run their fingers through my hair without saying 'Ew', and it holds up fine.

[Marc Chevalier]

Um, how about good ol' saliva?

.

[Senator Jack]

Um, how about good ol' saliva?

I'm a wavy-haired Sicilian!

[jamespowers]

I'm a wavy-haired Sicilian!

You could always use Tres Flores. The stuff is like Vaseline---with a scent of course. ;)

[cookie]

I have been using that American Crew hair cream - the green stuff- and it is fantastic and does not dry the scalp or look unnatural. Their shampoo and conditioner is fantastic too - very popular Down Under now.

[Maj.Nick Danger]

Sweet Georgia Brown if you can get it, black and white a close second, or Rob's Chop Shop---- pick your weight by need.

Jerome

Does it come in 10/W/40?

[jamespowers]

Does it come in 10/W/40?

Nope. It only comes in high performance 20W50. :p

Regards,

J

[Orgetorix]

Nope. It only comes in high performance 20W50. :p

Regards,

J

WD-40 never really worked that well for me as a hair dressing.

[jamespowers]

WD-40 never really worked that well for me as a hair dressing.


But it smells nice as a cologne. :p ;)

[Chanfan]

Hmm - I'm currently using Crew pomade. Perhaps I'll have to give another one a try! But, I'm only using small amounts at the moment. so I haven't run into the issues mentioned, and the jar I just opened will probably last me a year or more.

[jamespowers]

Hmm - I'm currently using Crew pomade. Perhaps I'll have to give another one a try! But, I'm only using small amounts at the moment. so I haven't run into the issues mentioned, and the jar I just opened will probably last me a year or more.

I must not be using enough either as I have not had any of those problems either. The jar only lasts me about three months though. I suppose my hair may not be unruly enough for higher hold products though. [huh]

Regards,

J

[cookie]

Chanfan you are right mate - use only small amounts. I used too much at the start till I wised up.

[Dr Doran]

I used Crew for a long while (brown plastic circular can) and it seemed to work fine and also washed out easily with shampoo. Nor did I dislike the smell. I used Tres Flores a few times and it just wouldn't wash out -- you needed several shampooings and I can't hang with that. I want the pores on my scalp to breathe. Now I just keep the hair so short there's no goo at all! It's wonderful in the heat to have no goo in your hair.

When I was a punk rocker 20 years ago, I used to spike my Mohawk with egg whites. That kept it up for a day or so. I also tried Aqua Net Extra Super Hold, a horrible fake smell but it worked. The most hardcore was Knox Unflavored Gelatin. It would stay up for a week. I had to sleep on the side of my head. I'd take showers but not wash it out for that whole week.

I don't think that would fly nowadays.

[Psykik]

I have long hair and need to use some sort of hair care product so that my hair doesn't curl up and become a bird's nest. For most days, the American Crew firm hold gel, or Nexxus Exxtra Gel with some hair spray to hold it does the trick.

For those special occasions, I do break out the pomades.

The American Crew Pomade is easy to wash out. Again, a hit of hair spray on the ends helps a bit.

The Murray's works great, but it is a commitment since it doesn't wash out so easily (or washes off of the hands very easily too). If it gets close to your forehead, it can leave a nice shine.

I haven't tried the others.

In the end, I grab either the Crew or the Murray's, but I need to be willing to make the extra commitment with the Murray's.

Like many of you, I am open for new ideas in this area, so I will be reading on with great interest.

Be well,
Rob

[6StringShooter]

Well folks, looks like I'll be sticking with Murray's after all. My hair is really thick so (as per the suggestion on the can) I am going to try to mix it with Murray's Hair Glo this week just to see what happens. The American Crew turned out to be WAY shinier than Murray's but lacking in the holding power needed to tame my mop... It looked like I had dipped my head into a vat of clear gelatin...sick! The Royal Crown smells really bad to me, so I don't even want to try it. I'll let yall know how the Murray's + Hair Glo works out!

[Dr Doran]

Well folks, looks like I'll be sticking with Murray's after all. My hair is really thick so (as per the suggestion on the can) I am going to try to mix it with Murray's Hair Glo this week just to see what happens. The American Crew turned out to be WAY shinier than Murray's but lacking in the holding power needed to tame my mop... It looked like I had dipped my head into a vat of clear gelatin...sick! The Royal Crown smells really bad to me, so I don't even want to try it. I'll let yall know how the Murray's + Hair Glo works out!

If Crew pomade didn't tame you, you must be seriously curly. Remember you can always straighten it chemically. But maybe you're just fine the way you are. Please post photos.

[scotrace]

I just got a can of Murray's to try. Kind of intimidating.

[jamespowers]

I just got a can of Murray's to try. Kind of intimidating.

It should be. With your hair texture, it will nail your hair down so tight to your head that you will look like Valentino. ;) It should only take a week to get out. Don't worry. It will wear out---you certainly can't wash it out in a day or two. :p

Regards,

J

[cheaterome]

With Murray's... you can wash it out ,it requires hand soap. Repeatedly.

If it is too stiff to work in at first use a hairdrier to loosen it up and then apply.

If you think Murrays dosen't hold enough, use Dax in the red can.

Jerome

[FredDairy]

Murray's is just murder on the hair. You've really gotta have a head of thick full hair to use that stuff. I was a big pomade guy for awhile. When I went to memphis I went to the more soul side of town and got every brand of pomade imaginable. Recently I've gone back to the men's aisle at walgreens and I'm sticking with gels hairsprays and other "greases" from that aisle like brylcreem or groom and clean.

[Maj.Nick Danger]

Reading about all this greasy kid stuff and chemical reactions is really scary! :eek:
Is it my imagination, or did guys tend to go bald much earlier back in the days of wanton hair-goop promiscuity?
All that grease and wax and goodness-knows-what on one's scalp day in and day out,... must have had an adverse effect?

I think I'll stick to modern gels for a little bit of control,...and for those particularly hot and humid summer days when one's hair has a mind of it's own, I'll just use good old-fashioned, all-natural Crisco just like Alfalfa used to use. lol

[FredDairy]

Murray's is just murder on the hair. You've really gotta have a head of thick full hair to use that stuff. I was a big pomade guy for awhile. When I went to memphis I went to the more soul side of town and got every brand of pomade imaginable. Recently I've gone back to the men's aisle at walgreens and I'm sticking with gels hairsprays and other "greases" from that aisle like brylcreem or groom and clean.

Seems like a lot of men kept their hair on their heads longer from the 20s, 30s and 40s. I see alot of old men with brylcreemed heads walking around and that stuff's just as greasy and pore clogging as any pomade. I'd be more worried about the steriods in the meats we eat today than the hair products. However, my Grandpa is 95 and has been bald since 1940 so I guess if it's going to happen it's going to happen.

[6StringShooter]

I am not thrilled with the Murray's + Hair Glo results....it seems that Hair Glo saps the Murray's of some of it's potency. Maybe I used too much Hair Glo. I used one part Hair Glo to two parts Murray's. I'm not sure if that's too much but i'm gonna try less next time...see what happens. I do like how it makes it shinier though!

[griffer]

I have used Murray regular and currently have a tin of Murray's Light.

I have also tried Sweet Georgia Brown's, but I am currently using Layrite (http://layrite.com/items/buy-now/layrite-original-pomade-layrite000001-detail.htm?1=1).
http://layrite.com/images/can_lid_blk_bgd_large.JPG (http://layrite.com/items/buy-now/layrite-original-pomade-layrite000001-detail.htm?1=1)

It is stiff, but water soluable. Works something like a gel/pomade hybrid as it will air dry. Day 2 is usually better. (Don't you just love the package art? ;-) )

I follow up the Layrite with Tigi Bed Head Wax Stick. (http://www.beautybay.com/haircare/bedhead/waxstick/)
http://www.beautybay.com/assets/images/product/150x150/tibe0016h.jpg (http://www.beautybay.com/haircare/bedhead/waxstick/)
I use it to tame my part, cowlick and blend the pomp wave on the side of head. It's waxiness lends a softeness to the Layrite.

There, now my secrets are out....

[jake_fink]

You really just have to find the product that works on your hair. What works for one person is not necessarily going to work for someone else.

I didn't have any luck with American Crew, and Layrite doesn't work well for me when I wear a hat. Royal Crown pomade smells better than the RC hair dressing, but neither of them smell great and they get stinkier as the day goes on, especially in a hat and especially in warm weather.

I always come back to Murray's. It's a wax not a grease. It has good hold and is good value since you only have to use a tiny bit at a time. It does not wash out at the end of the day and was never intended to, so it only has to be applied every second or third day. It becomes workable with heat, so apply it after a hot shower and work it in with the blow dryer. I add a little bit of something else for sheen after my hair is combed and dried. Depending on the weather and the scent I feel like I use either a little Vitalis, a little Wildroot or a little Lucky Tiger 3 Purpose with oil.

The trick with Murray's, if it is a trick, is to use just a tiny bit to start with and then work up to what you need to hold your style. I only need a dot of the stuff, less than the size of a dime. Then it has to be heated with the dryer (or run the can under hot water or something) to soften it otherwise you will get chunks and pellets and other unsightly effects. Murray's is my favourite product of all time, and I mean out of all products ever, it's better than Guiness and better than my Macbook and I love both of those products very much. If had as much money as that Remmington guy I'd buy the company.

Vive la Murray's!

[Baron Kurtz]

I just go natural and don't put any soap in my hair. Most daily-acquired grime will come out just with water but that natural hair grease remains. Good for unruly curls like mine.

bk

[Dr Doran]

I just go natural and don't put any soap in my hair. Most daily-acquired grime will come out just with water but that natural hair grease remains. Good for unruly curls like mine.

bk

Sounds great to me, and I have heard of people doing this, but don't the ladies freak out?

[Dr Doran]

Murray's is just murder on the hair. You've really gotta have a head of thick full hair to use that stuff. I was a big pomade guy for awhile. When I went to memphis I went to the more soul side of town and got every brand of pomade imaginable. Recently I've gone back to the men's aisle at walgreens and I'm sticking with gels hairsprays and other "greases" from that aisle like brylcreem or groom and clean.

Some products must pull the hair out. For about 6 months I had fairly long hair on top (but tapered high and tight on the sides) and was parting it in the MIDDLE, using some wax to keep it right -- Johnson's maybe. I don't really know why. Actually yes I do -- there was a great photo of T.S. Eliot in the New Yorker with his hair like that. Anyway, parting it that way, even for so short a time, pulled the hairs out in the middle, creating a tiny area of very thin hair. Like a cowlick, but in front. Now I have essentially a reverse widow's peak in the very center of my forehead and I don't like it one bit. In fact, I hate it. I've had to keep it either completely bald to hide it, or long -- I mean, only after it's more than a few inches is the thin area hidden.

[pigeon toe]

My boyfriend loved Black & White, but found it to be expensive. I'm sure it can be had cheaper online though.

He uses Murray's, even though he's convinced it's making his hair fall out (I'm sure it's not). He uses a lot less than he used to though, he would go through one tin every 3-4 weeks! Then again, he has thick, long hair that he puts up into a pompadour, so he needs a lot of hold.

My favorite style was when he would use Murray's with Royal Crown on top for shine. Maybe my nose is less sensitive than everyone else's, but I can't even smell the Royal Crown when he puts it on.

[Marc Chevalier]

I am currently using Layrite.

http://layrite.com/images/can_lid_blk_bgd_large.JPG (http://layrite.com/items/buy-now/layrite-original-pomade-layrite000001-detail.htm?1=1)

It is stiff ...



No kidding? ;)

.

[griffer]

I was waiting for someone to notice.

You just made my Freudian list....

[Gibson]

I've used most of these products in the last few years. I think some products will work better for certain people but here are my thoughts.

Greasy products - Murray's has great hold but I had to use hand soap to remove. NuNile is similar but has less hold and more shine. Murray's Lite has less hold and is easier to remove. Royal Crown Hairdressing has about the same hold as Murray's Lite and is easier to remove than regular Murray's. Brylcreem has even less hold and is great for that greased back look. It's fairly easy to remove also. My 2 year old got into a can of Murray's Hair Glo. He looked like young Elvis until about the 10th washing with dish washing liquid.

Non or Less Greasy products - These all wash out with regular shampoo. Layrite and American Crew Pomade both provide a decent hold but not as good as Murray's. Groom & Clean provides a light hold similar to Brylcreem.

You might try mixing products like Murray's and Groom & Clean to find what works for you.

[Marc Chevalier]

I use 'maximum hold' hair gel. That's it. I put gobs of it on when my hair is still damp from the shower. A fine tooth comb makes it neat.


The gel dries and keeps my hair in place. Stays shiny, too. Sure, it's stiff, but that means the hairstyle doesn't lose its form -- and isn't this why folks use 'greasy kids' stuff' in the first place?


What I really like about gel is that it washes out very easily, with no residue. Just a rinse or two with shampoo gets the job done.

.

[griffer]

But, Marc, I love the pommades exactly because they don't dry.

I f anything like rain, wind or hat breaks the shellac that is gell, then you are kinda screwed. But with pommade, I can simply comb my hair back into place no matter what the muss is.

[Marc Chevalier]

I f anything like rain, wind or hat breaks the shellac that is gell, then you are kinda screwed. But with pommade, I can simply comb my hair back into place no matter what the muss is.

You have a point there about maintenance. The gel route doesn't work well with rain (unless you're using an umbrella) or hats (period). When I wear a fedora, I use very little gel. As you can guess, I don't wear hats as often as I should. :rolleyes:

.

[FredDairy]

Enough hairspray on top of the gel should make it so it doesn't move in any weather conditions. But I guess a complete down fall of rain would mess it up. Bring a hat if it loosk like rain.;)

I wonder what Jack Lord used. His hair never moved in Hawaii 5-0.

[jake_fink]

Enough hairspray on top of the gel should make it so it doesn't move in any weather conditions. But I guess a complete down fall of rain would mess it up. Bring a hat if it loosk like rain.;)


This might work too:

http://www.pinnacleind.com/image/clearshowercap.jpg


I wonder what Jack Lord used. His hair never moved in Hawaii 5-0.

A hair and make-up department.

Water-based products will always have the disadvantage of being affected by rain snow fog and perspiration (that's what we call SWEAT up here in the genteel North). I have never found a gel that doesn't crumble into little dandruff-like flakes if you comb touch or otherwise gnetly molest your coiffure - never has been the look I was going for.

Hair falls out for very few reasons. There are stress, alpacia, radiation, infected folicles... but the main reason, the only real long term reason hair falls out and never comes back is simple genetics. Look at the men on your mom's side of the family. Are they bald? Then buy hats. Are they old but still furry? Then buy hair product.

Finally, Murray's is not greasy because it is not grease, it is wax, which is why you have to add something for sheen, like pigeon toe's beau's RC, and why it is hard to wash out with shampoo.

[FredDairy]

This might work too:

http://www.pinnacleind.com/image/clearshowercap.jpg



A hair and make-up department.

Water-based products will always have the disadvantage of being affected by rain snow fog and perspiration (that's what we call SWEAT up here in the genteel North). I have never found a gel that doesn't crumble into little dandruff-like flakes if you comb touch or otherwise gnetly molest your coiffure - never has been the look I was going for.

Hair falls out for very few reasons. There are stress, alpacia, radiation, infected folicles... but the main reason, the only real long term reason hair falls out and never comes back is simple genetics. Look at the men on your mom's side of the family. Are they bald? Then buy hats. Are they old but still furry? Then buy hair product.

Finally, Murray's is not greasy because it is not grease, it is wax, which is why you have to add something for sheen, like pigeon toe's beau's RC, and why it is hard to wash out with shampoo.


There's actually a lot more to it than just your mom's side of the family. Atleast from the research I've done because my mother's father is bald, so I've really looked into this. But I do agree with you that using Murray's won't cause you to go bald. But it's really rough putting in your hair and for some of us it pulls the hair out when combing. I think there's a reason it's stocked under the black hair care products at Walgreens.

Also, everyone who thinks Murray's is not a "grease" is mistaken. It says on the side of the can petrolatum and mineral oil

[jake_fink]

There's actually a lot more to it than just your mom's side of the family. Atleast from the research I've done because my mother's father is bald, so I've really looked into this. But I do agree with you that using Murray's won't cause you to go bald. But it's really rough putting in your hair and for some of us it pulls the hair out when combing. I think there's a reason it's stocked under the black hair care products at Walgreens.

Also, everyone who thinks Murray's is not a "grease" is mistaken. It says on the side of the can petrolatum and mineral oil


Ahha, the side of my can says nothing - well there's a bunch of jive about bobbed hair and such but no listing of what's in it - I was working with information from the lady who sold it to me. That lying so and so. :rage:

Anyway, heat willl soften it up so that you can apply it without pain or pull, you can even liquify it by heating it with the dryer. Put the amount you want to use on the lid of the tin then blow dry it until it's as soft as you need.

Grease or not grease and genetics or not, Murray's is still my favourite product.

PS My mom's side of the family is all bald but I am not, so please do excuse my hyperbole. It was late and I was thoughtfully sipping Liar's Whiskey. ;)

[6StringShooter]

well there's a bunch of jive about bobbed hair and such

Don't mean to go :offtopic: but what is "bobbed hair"? Nothing on Google seems very conclusive...

[jake_fink]

Don't mean to go :offtopic: but what is "bobbed hair"? Nothing on Google seems very conclusive...

A short hairstyle women adopted in the 20s - when Murray's was first introduced.

[scotrace]

http://www.hairarchives.com/private/1920s/bobbedhair.jpg


http://www.hairarchives.com/private/1920s/group.jpg

http://www.hairarchives.com/private/1920s/shingle.jpg

[Marq]

Always always use 'Sweet Georgia brown @in the red tin and top it off with a little Blue magic for shine.I have done for nigh on 27 years now.........Paul

[6StringShooter]

why is it called "bobbed"?

[ConcettaCellars]

I have a pretty thick and high pomp that this stuff is perfect for. I pull a bit out and put it in the palm of my hand and then rub my hands together like I'm starting a fire. It heats it up enough to work in out of the shower. A trick I found to get it out is to use some shave cream first, work it in, rinse and then wash normally. Squeaky clean.

[scotrace]

We;come to The Fedora Lounge, ConcettaCellars.

Yesterday was my fist try with Murrays, and it all washed out easily this morning. :)

[jake_fink]

why is it called "bobbed"?

How'd you get so curious? ;)



Edited to add: By the way, it was because the haircut required the use of bobby pins.

[FredDairy]

We;come to The Fedora Lounge, ConcettaCellars.

Yesterday was my fist try with Murrays, and it all washed out easily this morning. :)

When my hair was short I could was all the pomade out too. How much did you put in??

[scotrace]

Very, very little. It goes a long way!

Where can a guy find Royal Crown?

[6StringShooter]

How'd you get so curious? ;)



Edited to add: By the way, it was because the haircut required the use of bobby pins.

lol thank you! I got so curious because I saw it on here and I had just never heard of it :)



Where can a guy find Royal Crown?

Walgreens or Publix (not sure if they have that where you live)

[pigeon toe]

l

Walgreens or Publix (not sure if they have that where you live)

And if they don't have it there, they are sure to have it at any beauty supply store with a large haircare section.

[FredDairy]

In Chicago the only place to get Royal Crown Hairdressing is Jewel-Osco. Walgreens doesn't carry it here. I've never seen Royal Crown Pomade in Illinois.

[Salv]

Speaking of Royal Crown, go to this page http://www.nighttraintonashville.com/music.html then click on Little Richard: WLAC Commercial.

"Even Long Tall Sally use it..."

[skbellis]

I have seen Royal Crown available at Target as well. Tried Murrays for the first time for my 1940's wedding last weekend. Great results, but it took awhile for it too all wash out. Glad I found out about the hair dryer hint on here to help with the application. Thanks to all of the discussion lately I have begun experimenting with new products (had solely been using American Crew Pomade). Tried Wild Root yesterday, smelled lightly of baby oil, not much hold (sort of like brylcream), maybe I didn't use enough. Today I tried Groom and Clean. Pretty happy with the results so far (early in the morning). A little more hold and less flop then brylcream, very pleasent smell, but I have a feeling I am going to have to tweak it with something for more hold. Fun trying to come up with a new hair product combination...lol.


---Scott

[scotrace]

Speaking of Royal Crown, go to this page http://www.nighttraintonashville.com/music.html then click on Little Richard: WLAC Commercial.

"Even Long Tall Sally use it..."



THANK YOU! :)

[pipvh]

I've been sporting a quiff off and on for the last 25 or so years and recently found the best stuff ever for keeping one's do aloft: Phyto Pro Cire Ultra Gloss. It's some sort of wax gel, is hideously expensive but works like a charm. I started off with Black & White and Murray's back in the old Family Funktion/Demob days in London (I think there was even a style called 'quiffabilly?') and have tried virtually everything since from styling mousse to olive oil, and this stuff is the most architecturally stable I've found. Admittedly I've got thick, curly hair and a quiff is not what it wants to do, so there's always been a fair amount of bullying involved, but I don't get the feeling that this Phyto Pro is pulling my barnet out at the roots when I apply it (like Murrays), nor does it start dripping down my face after a couple of hours in the sun like B & W always did.

Although having said all of the above, not having the funds to replace my expensive French product right away I chanced upon a tube of Groom & Clean and despite being very sceptical it's actually doing a nice job on the old pomadour.

[Salv]

...Demob days in London...

O/T, and apologies to everyone, but blimey, that's not a name you see much these days (at least not in this context), and it brought a big smile to my face.

I suppose I'd better explain that cryptic remark - Demob was a clothes shop in Soho, in central London, that was open for a couple of years in the early 1980s. They sold their own designs, but also clothes by up-and-coming young British designers, most of which were vintage- or military-inspired. It was the coolest clothes shop in town, with the most stylish staff who knew where all the best parties were. I spent far too many Saturdays in there, and far too much money too...

Nice to see someone else who was around then - welcome to the Lounge pipvh.

Oh, and just to get us back on topic, I used Black & White for many years - mostly because it was fairly easy to buy in the UK - but recently switched to Sweet Georgia Brown in the blue tin, which comes somewhere between B&W and Murray's in stiffness, and smells better than either.

[pipvh]

Cheers, Salv!

Clothes from Demob, hair done at Cutts, nights down the Mudd Club or the Wag... . I actually still have a Demob shirt, just about wearable. Wish I'd kept hold of my baggy black 40s style jeans, though... I remember wandering around Fulham in 1983, trying to look like a 1944 garage mechanic in Arkansas - and why not? Btw, does anyone remember a vintage clothes shop just off Southampton Row at that time? It was the best I've ever been to. Anyway, it's fun to keep the old London style going, even if no-one around here has a clue what I'm on about!

[pipvh]

Oh, and apologies for going o/t. But thinking this hard about hair grease got me reminiscing about a time when the choice between Dax and Murrays was almost a matter of (social) life and death. So where does one find Sweet Georgia Brown in the US?

[Salv]

Cheers, Salv!

Clothes from Demob, hair done at Cutts, nights down the Mudd Club or the Wag... .
(Even more O/T)

...and the Dirtbox, and the Beat Route, live gigs by the Chevalier Brothers, buying The Face and ID religiously every month, hanging around Kensington Market ... happy times.


I actually still have a Demob shirt, just about wearable. Wish I'd kept hold of my baggy black 40s style jeans, though... I remember wandering around Fulham in 1983, trying to look like a 1944 garage mechanic in Arkansas - and why not?

The only thing that I've got left from Demob is one of those Willie Brown hooded anoraks with the chess-board band around the waist. I saw one of those on ebay not long ago with a ridiculously high starting price. It didn't get any bids.


Btw, does anyone remember a vintage clothes shop just off Southampton Row at that time? It was the best I've ever been to. Anyway, it's fun to keep the old London style going, even if no-one around here has a clue what I'm on about!

That shop was called Blax - my wife's favourite shop, and I managed to get some nice English ties and tank tops, and a very good 50s navy blue double breasted suit in there.


So where does one find Sweet Georgia Brown in the US?
It went out of production a couple of years ago, but the brand has been revived, apparently by Murray's. You can order it online from the SGB site for $7.00 a tin + postage - http://www.sweetgbrownpomade.com/index.html

The blue isn't very glossy, so once I've got the shape right with the blue I smooth a small amount of the red SGB over my hair to get some shine.

[pipvh]

Willie Brown! I'd totally forgotten about him. I loved his stuff! I had a brown jacket - I think it was an anorak, in fact - with the check trim. Wonder what happened to that. Also any number of his shirts, which weren't cheap. Went the way of all my Johnson's shoes, no doubt.

Blax! Of course. What a brilliant shop. There was also one called Cuba(?) I think, on New Oxford Street. Yeah, reading the Face in Valerie's or the Bar Italia, buying pegged trousers from that place upstairs at Kenny Market. Chevalier Bros! Nice one. Seriously off-thread now: we should start another one, for London nostalgics only!

[Salv]

...Seriously off-thread now: we should start another one, for London nostalgics only!

Good idea, as I want to pick up on a couple of points in your last post. I'll start one now in The Observation Bar.

[BegintheBeguine]

why is it called "bobbed"?
I'll pull a Wally Cox here. Actually to bob means to cut. They cut their hair from waist-length-and-pinned-up-with-tortoiseshell-slides to ear length. It was quite daring. The bobby pins or bob pins were new being that the metal was squeezed tightly together, to hold the bobbed hair close to the head. So babby pins were named after the haircut.

[scotrace]

Found Royal Crown at a Rite-Aid yesterday. It's shinier. More... Vaseline-ey. But cool. Good hold.

[FredDairy]

With all the rain and wind in chicago my hairspray and gel is not working out. I know, I know I said it would. Meanwhile I had forgotten how GREAT Black and White was.

[Hemingway Jones]

I tried American Crew this morning. It didn't take much at all to hold my hair. My hair is generally rather obedient. I wasn't sure how to use it, so I took a little dab and mixed it with water, like I would gel, then raked it through my hair. It is working fine, though I am not sure I like the smell of the stuff.

I think, before too long, I am going to collect all of the different hair products, just to see the differences.

I am growing the top of mine out to get that Clark Gable look, so I need to keep it neat for work in the in-between stage.

[jake_fink]

I think, before too long, I am going to collect all of the different hair products, just to see the differences.



As a long time collector of hair product I can say that it doesn't quite beat stamps as a hobby but it does give a lonely boy something to do on a Sunday night.

[FredDairy]

As a long time collector of hair product I can say that it doesn't quite beat stamps as a hobby but it does give a lonely boy something to do on a Sunday night.

Haha! I've got about 13 of the main pomade brands. Problem is I only used some once or twice.

[jake_fink]

Haha! I've got about 13 of the main pomade brands. Problem is I only used some once or twice.

Me too. They make nice medicine cabinet decorations.

[Hemingway Jones]

Me too. They make nice medicine cabinet decorations.
I am sure they would look great next to corked bottles of Bay Rum and tins of tar soap. ;)

Are you supposed to mix the stuff with a little water?

[scotrace]

I am sure they would look great next to corked bottles of Bay Rum and tins of tar soap. ;)

Are you supposed to mix the stuff with a little water?


Not unless you like doing it wrong. :)

[Hemingway Jones]

Not unless you like doing it wrong. :)
Then how do you do it, tough guy? ;) That stuff is thicker than molasses. I couldn't possibly get it through my thick hair if both were dry. [huh]

[Mike K.]

Hemingway, I just started using American Crew pomade also. I get good results by applying it to damp, towel-dried hair. If you're starting with dry hair, try splashing a bit of water on your hair to moisten it, then apply the pomade. I like Brylcreem too...not nearly as thick or waxy.

[scotrace]

I get a little on the ends of two fingers, then rub it between my hands to warm it up and soften it a bit, Then just start working it through.

[Hemingway Jones]

Hemingway, I just started using American Crew pomade also. I get good results by applying it to damp, towel-dried hair. If you're starting with dry hair, try splashing a bit of water on your hair to moisten it, then apply the pomade. I like Brylcreem too...not nearly as thick or waxy.
Thanks Mike K. That's what I thought. I cannot imagine working it through dry hair.

[FredDairy]

The American Crew stuff is water soluble there for mixing it with water I guess would have some sort of effect. But the other stuff, "real" pomade is not water soluble, argo it's pointless to mix it with water. Try pouring some water ontop of your open tin of murrays.

Whenever I put "pomade" in my hair is dry. I put the crew fiber in the front when it's wet, dry it, and then rub some black and white on the sides.

[SWTroopers]

....but I have a feeling I am going to have to tweak it with something for more hold. Fun trying to come up with a new hair product combination...lol.


---Scott

Scott, this is what I do, with great results. I mix Groom and Clean with RC Hairdressing at a 1:1 ratio. Hold is just right (solid but not stiff). The other benefit is that the G&C seems to emulsify the RC so that it washes out completely with one washing. When I use strictly RC it usually took 3 washes.

Marc

[flat-top]

My hair is usually a little damp when I apply any pomade (Sweet Georgia Brown is my brand at the moment), and then I use a hair dryer to melt it to my desired softness. It goes back to it's original thickness in a few minutes.
I actually know that American Crew and other "salon" style pomades (the kind that wash out) work better on dry hair.

[The real Henry]

Ok, most of you will think of this question as kinda strange, but:


Is there any pomade that does not shine?


I haven't used pomade, yet, so I don't know the brands and their attributes, but I know that I want/need a pomade that washes out easily, too.

I know a barbershop that sells American Crew products. Do they make something like I described?



Regards,
Henrik

[Barry]

I like Kiehl's "Creative Cream Wax." According to their website it's temporarily unavailable. Most of stores in my area don't have it either.

It's somewhere in-between hair cream and pomade. I find that it washes out fairly easily. It's not very greasy or shiny.

Barry

[SWTroopers]

Ok, most of you will think of this question as kinda strange, but:


Is there any pomade that does not shine?


I haven't used pomade, yet, so I don't know the brands and their attributes, but I know that I want/need a pomade that washes out easily, too.

I know a barbershop that sells American Crew products. Do they make something like I described?



Regards,
Henrik

American Crew has a pomade like product called Fiber that is not shiney. Has pretty good hold.

[FredDairy]

My hair is usually a little damp when I apply any pomade (Sweet Georgia Brown is my brand at the moment), and then I use a hair dryer to melt it to my desired softness. It goes back to it's original thickness in a few minutes.
I actually know that American Crew and other "salon" style pomades (the kind that wash out) work better on dry hair.

I'm a big user of crew fiber and although not technically a pomade that stuff cannot be put into your hair when it's dry.

[FredDairy]

American Crew has a pomade like product called Fiber that is not shiney. Has pretty good hold.


Yeah, but I usually need something extra on the sides, thats where the black and white comes in. I like the sides shiney and the top more dry.

[ValleyBoy]

I use American Crew. A little goes a long way, and it isn't too hard to take out with daily shampooing, but I do sometimes wish it had more shine to it, and I feel at times as though my hair has a waxy film left over after washing. [huh]

[jamespowers]

but I do sometimes wish it had more shine to it, and I feel at times as though my hair has a waxy film left over after washing. [huh]

Hmm...never had that problem but I suppose it depends on the shampoo you use. It comes out of my hair easily and goes back in after I towel dry my hair just as easily.
I suppose you could use the vaseline based stuff like Three Flowers and have it stay in your hair for days---even after washing shampooing and sandblasting. ;) :p

[scotrace]

I got my trick from Ray - a tiny bit of Bryl Creme at the end adds a wee bit of shine.

[jamespowers]

I got my trick from Ray - a tiny bit of Bryl Creme at the end adds a wee bit of shine.

For some reason their new image is certainly different than their vintage image:
http://www.brylcreemusa.com/images/homepagebackground.jpg
:eek:
Oh and its Brylcreem now

[Braxton36]

Longtime American Crew user here. I've tried a few other things but I keep coming back to AC. I've enjoyed reading what everyone else uses, though.

Wondered if any of you have ever heard of this combing technique that my very-much vintage era barber showed me. After using the finest teeth of the comb, turn the comb backwards and use the smooth edge to smooth the hair so that's sleek like glass. Probably works with any kind of grooming product - even water. I had always wondered how they got that glass-like finish (think Rudolph Valentino) and this seems to be the way. Maybe everyone else but me knows this.

[Barry]

I switched back to AC Fiber this week since I can't seem to find the Kiehl's stuff I was using. It's a little bit heavier but I'm happy with it.

Barry

[woodyinnyc]

I have always used baking soda on wet hair to get pomades out. Works great. Also, really like Aveda custom controlo pomade, comes in a container that looks like deodorant. Make sure you are awake when you use it though, its pits in the pits!

[brylcreem boy]

[QUOTE=SWTroopers]Scott, this is what I do, with great results. I mix Groom and Clean with RC Hairdressing at a 1:1 ratio. Hold is just right (solid but not stiff). The other benefit is that the G&C seems to emulsify the RC so that it washes out completely with one washing. When I use strictly RC it usually took 3 washes.

This stuff sounds intriguing..... I like the idea of solid but not stiff.... when mine used to be pomped real high, I remember pulling out hairs trying to comb thru murrays.. not to mention getting it out of the hair!

[Dr Doran]

[QUOTE=SWTroopers]Scott, this is what I do, with great results. I mix Groom and Clean with RC Hairdressing at a 1:1 ratio. Hold is just right (solid but not stiff). The other benefit is that the G&C seems to emulsify the RC so that it washes out completely with one washing. When I use strictly RC it usually took 3 washes.

This stuff sounds intriguing..... I like the idea of solid but not stiff.... when mine used to be pomped real high, I remember pulling out hairs trying to comb thru murrays.. not to mention getting it out of the hair!

Brilliant. I'll try it. Thanks.

[brylcreem boy]

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9822/royalcrownxp8.jpgI'll add one more thought here. I made a discovery with Royal Crown a few months ago... There is actually a "Royal Crown Hair Dressing" and a "Royal Crown Pomade", you'll notice the difference in the can itself too. I agree with a few people's comments the Hair Dressing has a stinky smell to it, on the other hand the Pomade had a nice, clean, more tame barbershop smell to it. Texture wise the pomade is similar to Murray's Light and American Greaser Supply 40 weight. I had to go to a Barber supply store to find it, nice moveable hold and nice shine, it was excellent for giving a tight greaser slick on the sides and back.

[jake_fink]

I have always used baking soda on wet hair to get pomades out. Works great. Also, really like Aveda custom controlo pomade, comes in a container that looks like deodorant. Make sure you are awake when you use it though, its pits in the pits!

lol

I've used that stuff and I did manage to glue my armpits shut when I mistook it for deodorant. My wife still laughs about that, and about the time I brushed my teeth with cat medicine.

[6StringShooter]

Well hello, fellow FLers! I have returned from my several months' hiatus with little more than a four year degree from the University of Florida to show for it :) . I'll be on here for a few weeks before I get started on my master's degree, so I thought i'd say howdy on my fav. old thread! I have thoroughly enjoyed reading some of yall's responses and I must say that I am intrigued at one phrase that caught my eye. I have been successfully using plain Murray's for a while now with just an ol' fashioned Ace comb. No brushes or nothing...just a heap of grease and a comb. I read something on here about a brand of pomade named "Sweet Georgia Brown" there seem to be three intensities of it. Which is closest to Murray's? I wonder which product will be the best for my hair...I plan to order some. I'm thinking of trying the ultra stiff one for my kinda hair! It's funny...Murray's comes out fairly easily in one washing...then again, my hair is like barbed wire. :D I've had a lot of success the way i've been doing it lately. I'll try and post pics as soon as I can. Thanks, and it's good to be back! :D

[Salv]

Sweet Georgia Brown in the blue tin is closest in texture to Murray's - thick and stiff with excellent hold. I haven't used Murray's for about 15 years, but from what I remember of it I think SGB blue isn't quite as stiff, and it washes out a little easier. SGB in the red tin is thinner and shinier, and I usually apply the blue first and shape my hair, then rub a little red between my palms and just slide it over the top layer of hair for some extra shine.

[brylcreem boy]

Well hello, fellow FLers! I have returned from my several months' hiatus with little more than a four year degree from the University of Florida to show for it :) . I'll be on here for a few weeks before I get started on my master's degree, so I thought i'd say howdy on my fav. old thread! I have thoroughly enjoyed reading some of yall's responses and I must say that I am intrigued at one phrase that caught my eye. I have been successfully using plain Murray's for a while now with just an ol' fashioned Ace comb. No brushes or nothing...just a heap of grease and a comb. I read something on here about a brand of pomade named "Sweet Georgia Brown" there seem to be three intensities of it. Which is closest to Murray's? I wonder which product will be the best for my hair...I plan to order some. I'm thinking of trying the ultra stiff one for my kinda hair! It's funny...Murray's comes out fairly easily in one washing...then again, my hair is like barbed wire. :D I've had a lot of success the way i've been doing it lately. I'll try and post pics as soon as I can. Thanks, and it's good to be back! :D

Howdy 6 String Shooter. Salv is right, the blue tin Sweet Georgia Brown is thickest, it is thinner than regular Murray's but still pretty firm, and the stuff has a awesome smell, the red is good for giving a good shiny top coat especially on the sides and back. I buy mine from a really cool shop online in Brooklyn called "Tomcats Barbershop" their prices are good and they shipped mine really fast. check em out on myspace at:

http://www.myspace.com/tomcatsbarbershop

[6StringShooter]

that is an awesome myspace page lol Occupation: Hippy slayer hahahaha I think that if Murray's is the thickest stuff out there, i'll stick to it then...My hair needs all the thick it can get heh I just wondered if the sweet georgia brown might have been thicker, that's all...

[dostacos]

But it smells nice as a cologne. :p ;)
maybe but keep it away from open flames:eek:

[dostacos]

what about Vitalis? Don Drysdale insisted it was NOT greasy lol when I was a kid we used BUTCH WAX to stand up the front of our flat tops, then it was the front and sides, then front and sides with butch wax and from the top edge to the ear it was combed back and brylcreemed, kind a weird, flat on top with a short fringe and below that what would be a normal haircut.

after reading this thread I am thinking of shaving my head.....well ok, I don't shave my face so I probably won't shave that either.

My dad used Listerine mouth wash on his hair, he thought it would keep him from losing his hair.

when he died he did still have his hair, but I think it is like snapping your fingers to keep the elephants away....works doesn't it?:D

[LordJohnRoxton]

Howdy 6 String Shooter. Salv is right, the blue tin Sweet Georgia Brown is thickest, it is thinner than regular Murray's but still pretty firm, and the stuff has a awesome smell, the red is good for giving a good shiny top coat especially on the sides and back. I buy mine from a really cool shop online in Brooklyn called "Tomcats Barbershop" their prices are good and they shipped mine really fast. check em out on myspace at:

http://www.myspace.com/tomcatsbarbershop


Murrays is great, but I find that I don't need a hold that firm... Crew is fine if mixed with Crew Fiber.

[Jovan]

Hope no ones sticks their nose up at this, but if you want a good, modern, student-budget way to get a drier look than any of these products, Alberto V05 makes a product called "Play! It Again" Reworkable Putty. Now, that may sound a bit tacky, but I find it actually gives my hair some wonderful moisture, especially when I hadn't time to use conditioner in the morning. Your hair will also be very touchable by the ladies. Not from experience, mind you, but I've never felt an urge to wipe off my hands after doing so -- the stuff contains what they call a "five vitamin formula." If you use conditioner (which I think all men should) it'll especially give a great shine. It's also only about $2-3 for a 4oz tub, which isn't bad at all. It's lasted me months now, since you only need a bit to rub onto your palms and get cracking. I've been able to do both conservative and casual styles with this pretty easily. Hope this helps anyone.

[scotrace]

I'll be out of Murray's soon, and that might be a good time to buy all new stuff and experiment. All three of the Sweet Georgia Brown varieties, some of the LayRite, and maybe try and find Royal Crown pomade.

[Hugh Beaumont]

Growing up in Hawaii, I used Tancho for years. It's an Indonesian pomade.It comes in a push up tube. It has a lot of bees wax in it so you liiterally have to soften it up with a hairdryer as you apply it. It's hard to get here on the mainland and it's not cheap.

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1340/tanchoxy7.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Also from Hawaii is pomade called Brilliantine. It's basically floral scented vaseline. A lot of the old Japanese and Filipino men use Brilliantine, so when I use it, my wife (who is Filipino) says I smell like an old Filipino man.

If I didn't use Tancho, I used Sweet Georgia Brown, then Murray's. I love the smell of Sweet Georgia Brown. Right now I use Royal Crown. I know it stinks, but I find it holds better and looks wetter longer. Another reason I use RC is I as I get older and my hair gets more grey, I'm starting to style it like George Clooney's. The RC holds it better.

I've tried the American Crew products and just didn't think they held up for the price.

I discovered yet another great pomade that I am beginning to use a lot. It's called "Grease" by Sebastian Professional. It has the consistancy of RC, but smells great. I can't find it locally, so I get it on Ebay (I'll buy two or three jars at a time). The reason I like RC and Grease is the petroleum jelly maintains the wet look a lot longer. Wax based pomades look dry after a short while, even though they maintain the hold.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4796/sebastiangreaseom4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


I don't know how many of you use Brylcreem before your pomade. I use Brylcreem as more of a daily conditioner, even if I don't apply pomade.

[Hugh Beaumont]

I'll be out of Murray's soon, and that might be a good time to buy all new stuff and experiment. All three of the Sweet Georgia Brown varieties, some of the LayRite, and maybe try and find Royal Crown pomade.

You can get Royal crown at Walmart or K-mart.

[Jovan]

Are any of these good at not making hair stiff? That's my main detraction with pomades.

[Hugh Beaumont]

Are any of these good at not making hair stiff? That's my main detraction with pomades.

Royal Crown or anything petroleum based will not stiffen up.

[Jovan]

Ah, thank you.

[jake_fink]

I'll be out of Murray's soon, and that might be a good time to buy all new stuff and experiment. All three of the Sweet Georgia Brown varieties, some of the LayRite, and maybe try and find Royal Crown pomade.

I can get you some Royal Crown if you can't find it.

What about Wildroot? It's classic.

[redavis001]

You might also want to check out:

http://www.robschopshop.com/

He has a grease line and the 50Weight is hard as nails. Carries a lot of other other grease to in Dallas Texas. The cat cuts hair all over the world.

[Lee M Roberts]

Nothing beats murrays for styling and hold topped with a little red sweet georgia brown for that unsurpassably pleasing odour. ;)

[CharlestonBows]

http://www.headlinehistory.co.uk/CometImages/e1638bf7-cbdc-47a4-8eb8-2e9756e87f7b.jpg

Everyday, Brylcreem (a little dab'll do ya! lol ).

I'll add American Crew Grooming Cream if it's a bad hair day, or it's a formal event.

[berwynguy]

I use Brylcreem Original (not gel) for everyday use, but also like American Greaser Pomade. Brylcreem washes out easier, but has lighter hold. If I apply a combo of AGS and brylcreem I get the best hold and super slick shine. I have to use more than just 'a little dab' to get the effect I like. I usually use a quarter or so size dab; I find a dime size is not nearly enough.

Another product that works is Groom&Clean. It washes out easily, but it's not what I prefer. Nothin beats the real stuff like brylcreem.

[Rooster]

It's Brylcreem or Wildroot for me these days.

[berwynguy]

The forum should really have a section devoted to men's hair. There's one for the ladies, but I see posts in various sections about mens hair - no common place. I'd like to see how you guys wear your hair - I'm looking for options to try.

[mrbork]

Is there enough interest to start a section devoted to hairstyles for guys? I would certainly hope so, as it's such a part of the complete retro look. Let's hear from some of the other guys!

[brylcreem boy]

Well guys, I have always been a petroleum based pomade guy, but recently I took a business trip to SoCal and had the real pleasure of visiting the world famous Hawleywood's barbershop. My cut was done by Donnie Hawleywood himself, after looking at some pics of his work, we decided to taper mine pretty tight on the sides. This guys spent a full hour on my haircut!!

He used Layrite of course on my hair, I was skeptical since it is a water based product. It turned out awesome!, see for yourself on the attached picture, the trick with layrite I have found out is to blowdry your hair up high first and apply the product to your hair while it is dry for better hold, if you apply it to damp hair it is more like a 30 weight. It is expensive and he did use alot....I MEAN ALOT!! Check out the results, My hair was as slick and shiny as armor-alled Tires!! One of the best damn cuts I ever got, this man definitely knows how to cut a Taper!!!!
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii53/greasy_kidstuff/l_10edb3747f51dd726bcf80870c45b71b.jpg

[Jovan]

http://www.headlinehistory.co.uk/CometImages/e1638bf7-cbdc-47a4-8eb8-2e9756e87f7b.jpg

Everyday, Brylcreem (a little dab'll do ya! lol ).

I'll add American Crew Grooming Cream if it's a bad hair day, or it's a formal event.
Tell me if I'm wrong but... didn't people hate Brylcreem back then? From all I've heard it was like putting butter in your hair.

I'm currently using Farouk Systems USA "Molding Silk." For sounding all technical, it's actually quite nice. I use it on damp hair and gives a similar effect to some of these products. The shine is about on the level of the guy in my avatar. I'll check out some of these products at the local beauty supply store.

[scotrace]

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii53/greasy_kidstuff/l_10edb3747f51dd726bcf80870c45b71b.jpg


Well done! That's a great cut. No one seems to know how to do that in my cornfield.

Jovan, I think Brylcreem was a victim of something called Product Repositioning, wherein a competing product repositions the leading brand in the mind of consumers. Brylcreem was fine and accepted, until the 70's when the makers of hairspray for men started showing pics of men with WAY over gooped hair and labeling it 'the wet look.' From that point, consumers associated Brylcreem with a wet, greasy look. And who wants that? Especially when the competitor is showing women being grossed out by it.
The classic example is Listerine, a mouthwash that was the #1 seller for decades. Along comes Scope. With two words "Medicine Breath," Listerine got toppled from the top spot very quickly.

Remember Brylcreem's instructions: A dab'll do ya." Use a blob the size of a new pencil eraser, and no one will even know it's there. Use a big dollop of it and you look like a greasy drowned guy.

[Boris K]

... Jovan, I think Brylcreem was a victim of something called Product Repositioning, wherein a competing product repositions the leading brand in the mind of consumers. Brylcreem was fine and accepted, until the 70's when the makers of hairspray for men started showing pics of men with WAY over gooped hair and labeling it 'the wet look.' From that point, consumers associated Brylcreem with a wet, greasy look. And who wants that? Especially when the competitor is showing women being grossed out by it.

I remember that as well - "The wet head is dead" was another competitor tag line.

[Hugh Beaumont]

Brycreem is still one of the best products around behind Royal Crown.

I use Brycreem everyday, not to keep my hair slick, but to keep it nourished and healthy looking.

My medicine cabinet is full of all sorts of pomades (15 at last count) yet I always default to Brylcreem for general hair health and Royal Crown to keep the style in place.

[brylcreem boy]

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii53/greasy_kidstuff/l_10edb3747f51dd726bcf80870c45b71b.jpg


Well done! That's a great cut. No one seems to know how to do that in my cornfield.

Jovan, I think Brylcreem was a victim of something called Product Repositioning, wherein a competing product repositions the leading brand in the mind of consumers. Brylcreem was fine and accepted, until the 70's when the makers of hairspray for men started showing pics of men with WAY over gooped hair and labeling it 'the wet look.' From that point, consumers associated Brylcreem with a wet, greasy look. And who wants that? Especially when the competitor is showing women being grossed out by it.
The classic example is Listerine, a mouthwash that was the #1 seller for decades. Along comes Scope. With two words "Medicine Breath," Listerine got toppled from the top spot very quickly.

Remember Brylcreem's instructions: A dab'll do ya." Use a blob the size of a new pencil eraser, and no one will even know it's there. Use a big dollop of it and you look like a greasy drowned guy.

Thanks Scotrace, I'm very proud of the cut and I tipped him $10.00. I think my girlfriend though is one of those who would call me the greasy drowned guy, LOL!! I've been keeping it pretty heavily slicked since the cut and it grosses her out. I guess for me the saying should be: "A Big ol dab'll do ya". Call me old fashioned but I love it when my hair shines like patent leather......

[Jovan]

Maybe you should use less then -- it would hold it in place just as well. A compromise, if you will. Men's hair should be able to have fingers run through it, even with product. That's probably why she's grossed out. ;) With both short and long, I would like to be able to do as much with a woman's hair. Makes a kiss that much more tender. [huh]

[Rooster]

A compromise, if you will. Men's hair should be able to have fingers run through it, even with product.
Who says so?

[Jovan]

Several women I know. :)

[brylcreem boy]

Maybe you should use less then -- it would hold it in place just as well. A compromise, if you will. Men's hair should be able to have fingers run through it, even with product. That's probably why she's grossed out. ;) With both short and long, I would like to be able to do as much with a woman's hair. Makes a kiss that much more tender. [huh]

Your probably right, I will compromise part of the time. I told her I would tone it down some during the week, but this cut really looks good when slicked with pomade/grease. I bought some Crew Grooming cream today to experiment with. But weekends it greaser style for me, it's just who I've become, I like listening to rockabilly and swing, and it just seems natural to have the hairstyle to go with the jeans and boots I wear. Hopefully she will comer to accept it more.

[KittyT]

Hopefully she will comer to accept it more.

I can't understand any gal who doesn't love that look. It is just damn sexy!

Pomade does smell a little nasty, but there are a couple like Dixie Peach and Sweet Georgia Brown that have a lovely signature smell to them.

Also to those gents here who grease - black pillow cases are key.

[brylcreem boy]

I can't understand any gal who doesn't love that look. It is just damn sexy!

Pomade does smell a little nasty, but there are a couple like Dixie Peach and Sweet Georgia Brown that have a lovely signature smell to them.

Also to those gents here who grease - black pillow cases are key.

Thanks Kitty, it's nice to be appreciated! It's not easy being Greasy!! I have some of the Sweet Georgia Brown- red can and blue can, my girl does like the smell of those and also the Black and White I sometimes use. My pillow cases are dark blue and I change them frequentlly and like I told her anyway, your not suppose to mess with a Greasers hair anyway!! LOL....... I've never tried the Dixie Peach, have never been able to find it in stores here.

Merry Christmas All!!!!

[Bama Mike]

I've found this entire thread to be fascinating and very entertaining. I've been experimenting with a mixture of two products lately -a one to one ratio of Groom and Clean with a product by Paul Mitchell called "Wax Works." The more hold needed then the more Wax Works is used. I'm letting my hair grow out (while it still can) so I'm digging out what old products I had stashed away and am searching for new ones to try.

[rlandrews3rd]

I've been using "Voodoo Brew" by High Life Pomade for about a year now. It holds well and doesn't melt. I put that to the test when I was in Las Vegas last July. No melting, even in the hottest part of the day. It washes out with regular shampoo, and has a nice scent.

[scotrace]

Well, all three varieties of Sweet Georgia Brown (http://www.sweetgbrownpomade.com/products.html) showed up in yesterday's mail.

Red today. It doesn't seem to stiffen up like Murray's.

So far.

[skbellis]

Scotrace,

Please keep us posted on your Sweet Georgia Brown progress. Has anyone tried Top Brass groom cream by Revlon?

http://www.americarx.com/Products/9129.html

I picked some up on clearence at Walgreens. I thought it might be like Brylcream (which doesn't hold my hair so well), but I really like it. It is a light hold and my hair doesn't frizz out. I see that Top Brass also has a hair thickener (which I don't need...my hair is too thick as it is) and also an anti-dandruff cream.

Figures that when I find something I like that the Walgreens by me is going to discontinue it...lol.

One conoction I like for more hold type days is mixing American Crew grooming cream with the American Crew Pomade. I microwave them for about 10 or 15 seconds pour equal parts into a seperate container and stir them together.



Cheers,

---Scott

[Herr Hitman]

I have tried it all, and am now a Layrite man. I have super thick hair, so Murrays wont come out.. EVER, neither do any of the petroleum based pomades.

Layrite also makes a Super Hold pomade, which is for sale on the website now. I think I might try that out, to cut down on maintenance.

[Alex Oviatt]

Does anyne remeber Tenax? It was great stuff but I haven't seen it in the shops for years.

[Psykik]

I remember Tenax by R&G and promise you that it no longer exists.

I used it quite a bit in the early to mid 1980's and still proudly have an (empty) bottle of it displayed in the bathroom as a memento of my (hair's) youth!


Does anyne remeber Tenax? It was great stuff but I haven't seen it in the shops for years.

[Alex Oviatt]

I remember Tenax by R&G and promise you that it no longer exists.

I used it quite a bit in the early to mid 1980's and still proudly have an (empty) bottle of it displayed in the bathroom as a memento of my (hair's) youth!

That is a shame--I can still smell it!

[Psykik]

I remember it fondly. Now it has been so long that I cannot for sure report whether or not it was so much better than the other things I now use, or has become a legend in my mind.

For the most part, as a gel I prefer the Firm Hold version of American Crew. Tenax did keep things in place and made it look wet. Talking about Wet, that was a product that I enjoyed for a while too. Tenax was probably more like Wet than the American Crew.


That is a shame--I can still smell it!

[skbellis]

I must admit that I have not noticed Dax Wax here in the US (and I do peruse the "ethnic" hair care section for new pomades). But it seems that it is easily obtainable on the web:

http://www.imperialdax.com/store/products/DAX_Wave_Groom-3-1.html

Cheers,

---Scott

[brylcreem boy]

Well, all three varieties of Sweet Georgia Brown (http://www.sweetgbrownpomade.com/products.html) showed up in yesterday's mail.

Red today. It doesn't seem to stiffen up like Murray's.

So far.

So Scotrace what is your verdict on the 3 varieties of Sweet Georgia Brown???.. I've heard many times that they have a pleasing smell the ladies dig... have not heard much about hold, combability and shine

[scotrace]

I like them all three lots! I personally like the fragrance a lot. Can't vouch for the smell re: ladies as I've got no one to smell it who would give a rat's bum, but the regular hold wax is great for every day (I can get it all out with one washing because I need very little), but it does tend to melt in hot sun. The heavy duty stuff is more like Murray's, but easier to manage, good for the hot days, and I use water-based on weekends when I don't mind my hair in my face now and then. All very comb-able, and I have not trouble at all with it stiffening up. The wax varieties are actually at their best after about 12 hours.
It's great stuff and not expensive at all. I think I had $21 in all three tins. Because I use so little, these will last a couple of years.

[tylerevansokay]

Please allow me to endorse Sweet Georgia Brown further...
It's heavy enough for the heat and humidity in Texas and yet still light enough to run a comb through and give an amazing, almost "wet" shine.
GREAT product no matter which formula you get. I use the blue myself since I prefer a much stronger hold.
Sweet Georgia Brown is TOPS!

[brylcreem boy]

I have tried it all, and am now a Layrite man. I have super thick hair, so Murrays wont come out.. EVER, neither do any of the petroleum based pomades.

Layrite also makes a Super Hold pomade, which is for sale on the website now. I think I might try that out, to cut down on maintenance.

Layrite is good stuff... to me it's best for shorter pomps that are high and tight. It just seems like you have to use a lot and it's not cheap. At a friends urging I am ordering a can of their new Super Hold. he swears by it and says it's awesome for his really thick hair. Herr Hitman did you try it yet?? My friend was telling me that occasionally he will mix it with Dax Wave and Groom for extreme hold that will not move period!

[tylerevansokay]

Layrite is good stuff... to me it's best for shorter pomps that are high and tight. It just seems like you have to use a lot and it's not cheap. At a friends urging I am ordering a can of their new Super Hold. he swears by it and says it's awesome for his really thick hair. Herr Hitman did you try it yet?? My friend was telling me that occasionally he will mix it with Dax Wave and Groom for extreme hold that will not move period!

Super Hold is the way to go... I've recently switched back after yet another petroleum pomade scalp breakout... itchy scalps are NOT FUN.
Layrite Super Hold is TOPS. Go for broke on it man, you won't be disappointed.

[Boxerken]

I use Paul Mitchell pomade. I have silver hair and it seems to work well with the color better than others. I really like brylcreem, but even the smallest amoutn will make my face greasy within a couple of hours of using it.

[GCHughes]

I've been using Royal Crown for about 12 years with good results. (I have a "Valentino" cut, though the picture I showed to my stylist is of Boyd Senter. a.k.a. Dr Jazzology.) I used Tres Flores for several years but the scent was too much. If your hair is wavy or curly try using a "Doo-rag" while your hair is wet, let it dry and then apply pomade, worked for me and my hair tends to be very wavy.

[jamespowers]

I see that American Crew also has a shampoo out. The wife bought some and my son and I both think it has a decent scent and does a decent job with our hair in conjunction with the American Crew Pomade. :D

[Dr Doran]

I found a DEP "gel pomade" that worked quite well, is ungreasy, and washes right out. It was at a dollar store for a buck (as you might guess); I suppose it was discontinued.

(Perhaps someone else mentioned it, but I cannot go through all million posts again.)

[berwynguy]

I'm a big fan of American Greaser Supply 40wt Pomade. This stuff is real greaser pomade - not a pansy ass gel or fake wax. Has plenty of good greasing grease. Very pleasant mild aroma - not vanilla, coconut, or any other fruit salad fragrance - just a mild masculine fragrance. I like the aroma far better than Royal Crown or Tres Flores.

I've only used their 40wt, but they do have a 90wt the would probably really give you some lift for a high kick ass pomp, or for bringing to attention any flattop.

Can be purchased online at various pro-greaser sites such as:

www.go-kat-go.com
www.thegreaseshop.com

Their main site is www.americangreasersupply.com

[Dr Doran]

Uh-oh -- it's the True Greasers vs the Pansies.

I'll bust out my rockabilly LPs and roll up my sleeves ...

I'd better hide my Scion XB.

At least it's black ...

[tylerevansokay]

Uh-oh -- it's the True Greasers vs the Pansies.

I'll bust out my rockabilly LPs and roll up my sleeves ...

I'd better hide my Scion XB.

At least it's black ...

Haha, it's whatever... this stuff always makes me laugh. I always love hearing people knock Layrite and other products similar for irrelevant reasons like its "pansy smell".
If your hair product determines your "status" then so be it. I use what works for me, you use what works for you. So what?
Long live choice!

[jamespowers]

Uh-oh -- it's the True Greasers vs the Pansies.

I'll bust out my rockabilly LPs and roll up my sleeves ...

I'd better hide my Scion XB.

At least it's black ...

A Scion XB!? And you use Gel?!
Better play that rockabilly really loud. ;) :p lol lol lol lol

[berwynguy]

hey just funnin with ya. Any guy adopting the slick look is Ok in my book, even if he's using (cough cough) gel.






Uh-oh -- it's the True Greasers vs the Pansies.

I'll bust out my rockabilly LPs and roll up my sleeves ...

I'd better hide my Scion XB.

At least it's black ...

[Miles Borocky]

This is my first post ever at TFL, and I have to take this moment to thank all of you hipsters for providing me with a wealth of information about classic style and products.

I tried American Crew pomade for the first time this weekend and loved it. It marked, for me, a final triumphant moment in a long search for the kind of hair product that might give me a bit of Cary Grant-ish hair perfection. Previously, I'd tried Brylcreem (thinking it must work if so many generations of men had relied on it) and Tres Flores brillantine, but neither of those had the hold I need (I have wispy, but wavy-in-humidity hair) and both, sadly, made my hair just look slick and greasy all day. The American Crew, on the other hand-- Hair stayed in place, and I don't look like I just stepped out of the shower.

Merci.

[DerMann]

After discovering the miracle of Brylcreem, I find it may be time to move on to more drastic measures.

I like Brylcreem for the fact that it lets me comb my hair and keep it in a fairly organised manner without looking contrived (gel, mousse, etc...).

However, I've been noticing that put doffing and donning hats messes up my hair quite a bit, especially at the part.

If I were to buy a pomade, which brand would give me good control and the same wet look as Brylcreem? I don't want helmet hard, either.

[Maguire]

After discovering the miracle of Brylcreem, I find it may be time to move on to more drastic measures.

I like Brylcreem for the fact that it lets me comb my hair and keep it in a fairly organised manner without looking contrived (gel, mousse, etc...).

However, I've been noticing that put doffing and donning hats messes up my hair quite a bit, especially at the part.

If I were to buy a pomade, which brand would give me good control and the same wet look as Brylcreem? I don't want helmet hard, either.
I have this problem too, and for awhile i simply abandoned hats altogether and stuck to gel (the sebastian wet look and the fantasia IC are the best IMO). The drawback is i have to wait for the gel to dry in, so i essentially have to walk to school with hat in hand instead of on my head.. defeating the purpose of wearing a hat.

If you've got normal (not poofy hair) i'd say pomade would work fine, much better than brylcreem. I stick to royal crown when i do use pomade. I find that although it does work, it still doesn't have the hold gel does (and for thick, wavy hair, thats a must). I also find getting it out annoying, ie gel i can simply wash out and reapply the next day, but pomade simply doesn't wash out, and it looks quite a mess after sleeping with it. At least, in my experience. I'm not sure that helps at all but uh... good luck.

[Inky]

Layrite Pomade (http://www.hawleywoods.com/) (the super hold version) does a good job for my hubby, holding his fine hair in place (he wears it in a small pompadour style or slicked back), with a touch of hairspray over it. He doesn't wear fedoras, but does wear a newsboy style cap from time to time and Layrite works well for him when he does. The plus side is Layrite washes out easily, unlike some other pomades we've tried.

I personally use the regular Layrite when I do my hair to hold my curls smoothly, but I also always use hairspray in addition and I don't wear fedoras either ;)

[Maguire]

Layrite Pomade (http://www.hawleywoods.com/) (the super hold version) does a good job for my hubby, holding his fine hair in place (he wears it in a small pompadour style or slicked back), with a touch of hairspray over it. He doesn't wear fedoras, but does wear a newsboy style cap from time to time and Layrite works well for him when he does. The plus side is Layrite washes out easily, unlike some other pomades we've tried.

I personally use the regular Layrite when I do my hair to hold my curls smoothly, but I also always use hairspray in addition and I don't wear fedoras either ;)
my own fear is that using pomade too much, or hairspray is simply going to cause me to lose my hair. I'm sure gel isn't good for it either, but the other too seem to be a bit tougher on it.

[skbellis]

DerMann,

I have become quite fond of "Tres Flores" ( THREE FLOWERS BRILLIANTINE POMADE ). It provides a flexible hold. The problem I have always had with gels and mousse is that if I need to re-comb my hair during the day that the product seems to "brush" out leaving my hair sort of poofy again.

The Tres Flores gives me a nice hold, yet I can re-comb my hair with no problem. I have tried Royal Crown as well and I think that the Tres Flores is a little less messy.

Yes, it does not wash out as easily as gel, but it does come out.

Since you are new to Pomades you might want to start with the American Crew Pomade (sort of a transition from gel to old school pomades).

Both products are usually available at either Walgreens or WalMart. The J Crew Pomade is sort of pricey usually around $12.00 and the Tres Flores is usually only around $3.00. ( Sometimes the Tres Flores is found in the "Ethnic" hair care section, along with Royal Crown).
Good luck on your quest.

Cheers,

Scott

[Succotash]

My trials and tribulations with pomade are finally over though they were exhausting. I've tried everything and have finally found the perfect solution.

First, like most, I started with Murray's. Then i switched to Hawleywoods Layrite, but it is formulated to hold like a pomade or wax but wash out like a gell, so when it starts to rain and you don't have a hat you're out of luck my friend. I also tried Dax and Bryllcream but hated those products.

Finally I realized that because I have extremely fine hair, I shouldnt be using strong hold pomade because it weighs down the hair....so I switched to Royal Crown and it is perfect. Murrays Super Light is good too but it is a bit too greasy for me.

So now I use a lot of Royal Crown and a dab of Murrays Superior to get my hair just right. I wear a high pompadour normally so height and hold is everything.

Also, dont get too caught up in the expensive brands....the cheap stuff like Royal Crown works just as well.

[Chrome]

Here is few that I like

http://www.sweetgbrownpomade.com/index.html
http://www.spiralhaircase.com/Hair-Care/Black-and-White/Black-White-Hair-Dressing-Pomade-200ml


And what is cool tin can:

http://www.highlifepomade.com/
http://www.eddys-deluxe.com/store/index.html

I like all that I linked here, sweet georgia and Black&White is best ones

[DerMann]

Probably should have mentioned this initially, as it defeats most of your replies.

My hair is thick, very much so. This is the reason why Brylcreem doesn't work so well for me. The hairs that are shorter by the part are what get messed up.

To me that sounds like I need a heavier pomade, no?

[Bugsy]

Have you tried a sculpting gel??

[Succotash]

Light hair, like mine, which is very very very fine needs a light hair dressing with a dab of a strong-hold pomade mixed in.

Since your hair is thick, use a thick, string pomade.

[Bert]

Hello out there

It's my first post here, so I'll try to be like the wonderfull new guy with answers to life questions.
I'm really an oldschool "pomade fan" '(that's one of the reasons I arrived around here), so I think that I understand your problem... You may need to use two products : your regular Brylcreem if you like it and are used to dress you hair with, and something else, stronger, to hold the "key places" of your hair cut (for exemple the part).
Murray's superior is really thick, so, well, you should try something like Nunile. When you dress your hair, start by placing the part and solidifying it on both sides with Nunile, and then slick the rest of the hair with your loved brylcreem. Like this, you'll be able to wear a hat without messing your part.
Or else, yes, try one of the products that guys often talk about around here. In my case, I use Black and white, Royal Crown, Murrays, Nunile and Sweet G. Brown Red.
Black and white is really great : good hold and shine, soft and easy to use and remove. I always mix it with a top of Royal Crown for the obsene shine of it. As I've thick curly "Nelly Olsen style" hair, the Royal crown isn't strong enough to control it. Mixing the two give great results, quite "groomed but relaxed" style.
Sweet G. Brown is one of my favorite. Its properties are quite close to the B&W, but with more shine and formal elegance. I mix it with some Nunile for an extra hold...
I hope it helped.

Regards from Bordeaux, Bert.

[swanky_frankie]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/saka_saka/Frankie/grooming-lounge_2037_7795390.gif

I use Geo F. Trumper pomade. its been apart of London's gentlemens daily lives since 1875. Though it is a bit pricey ($37 on mens groominglounge.com) it gives you a great wet shine just like Rudolph Valentino's hair. Also it is easy to wash out unlike some other pomades.

[rikrdo]

I, too, have tried about every type of grooming product available and, depending on the cut, use a combination of things.

I have relatively thick hair and have had good results with the Murrays pomade by applying it to dry hair followed by hot air (blow drying) styling.
Add a bit more for sheen and extra hold.

I've just recently acquired some of the Layrite Extra hold pomade and have been using it in tandem with VO5 (for grey hair :eusa_doh: ).
Rub the Vo5 into dry hair and then blow dry. Rub in the pomade and style with brush / hands.

Holds well but is not stiff or sticky.

[RainLikeGravel]

These two are hard to beat - and very nice in fragrance:
first:
http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp306/RainLikeGravel/Lucky-Tiger-Hair-Tonic_3PO.jpg
then:
http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp306/RainLikeGravel/Sweet_Georgia_Brown_Pomade.jpg

[PADDY]

SGB (Red Tin as above) thanks to our member Salv in here, I am now a convert to this pomade. I then add a light super gloss on top with Murray's 1925 Hair - Glo.

[Bert]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/saka_saka/Frankie/grooming-lounge_2037_7795390.gif

I use Geo F. Trumper pomade. its been apart of London's gentlemens daily lives since 1875. Though it is a bit pricey ($37 on mens groominglounge.com) it gives you a great wet shine just like Rudolph Valentino's hair. Also it is easy to wash out unlike some other pomades.


I don't know this one. Usually, I don't like the washables pomades. However, I used to use Layrite when I learned how to dress my hair. As you can wash them out, you can experiment without taking the risk to build a bulletproff grease cake on your hair.
But, well, I now find it less efficient than the real oldschool pomades : less hold, nearly no shine, very chemical smell. And not being able to completly wash the stuff is part of the game / pleasure to grease your hair. A washable pomade is like a modest french guy or a sober Irish man : it doesn't really fit to what you are used to :) .

[Guttersnipe]

Probably should have mentioned this initially, as it defeats most of your replies.

My hair is thick, very much so. This is the reason why Brylcreem doesn't work so well for me. The hairs that are shorter by the part are what get messed up.

To me that sounds like I need a heavier pomade, no?

In that case, I suggest Dax Wax in the red tin. It's definitely a heavier pomade then Royal Crown, Tres Flores, or Brylcreem but it's not quite as extreme as Murray's.

I have thick wavy hair and have found it to work whether I want to do a 50's pomp, and 40's flip, or a 30's slick back w/. a part.

Also, it's a strong enough hold that I can wear a hat without messing up my hair any more than a quick smooth with the hand won't fix

[billyk]

Like some of the guys here, I have thick and wavy hair. I like to keep a pomp/quiff, so I need something that keeps my hair in check.

For a while, I used Tres Flores Brilliantine. In my opinion, it's like putting Vaseline in your hair, and it's just as hard to get it out. The good part is that it kept my hair shiny; the bad part is that it couldn't hold my hair in place, so my quiff would usually shift throughout the day (and eventually collapse). I suppose you could use hair-spray to keep it in position, but I often used wax for the hold. I eventually stopped using Tres Flores because I take showers daily, and like Royal Crown, it's not easy to clean out. I also didn't like staining my pillows and/or vintage clothes.

Because I needed something to hold my quiff but also wash out easily, I started to use wax. Redken Water Wax (03) is pretty good. I've also used a variety of "moussing waxes" from Pantene, Tigi, etc. They also did the trick, but the hold was just OK.

I recently started using Layrite (Super Hold), which is also a wax, albeit beeswax (?), and it certainly holds the hair in place while washing out very easily. The only complaint I have is that it can leave your hair looking "matte," which can probably be solved by using a tiny bit of Royal Crown or Tres Flores. I also tend to pull my hair out while I'm styling because it's a lot stickier than the other waxes that I've used.

Just my opinion. I hope it helps.

Will

PS: I meant to add, Layrite can be a little expensive.

[BinkieBaumont]

"Dirty Trix" by matrix is incredible it thickens your hair and holds it in place, and is non oily!!!(we dont like oil, its a hair product not a salad dressing!!!)
http://www.beautyofnewyork.com/upload/matrix-dt-clay-26.jpg
Ignore the "messy" on the package, you can still have a smooth look with it