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HDRnR
05-27-2007, 08:05 AM
Looks like an Open Road.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/photographs/59-1199.jpg

HDRnR
05-27-2007, 08:10 AM
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/photographs/60-42.jpg

scotrace
05-27-2007, 08:18 AM
I helped with your photo uploads - hope that's OK? They're great pictures. I like the homburg Achison is wearing.

Joel Tunnah
05-27-2007, 08:21 AM
Awesome pictures! The man knew how to wear a hat.
Thanks for posting.

jimmy the lid
05-27-2007, 08:23 AM
Yup. Truman was a big fan of the Open Road (http://www.cr.nps.gov/museum/exhibits/hstr/image/obj/hatboxwithphil_exb_HSTR22084.html)

Cheers,
JtL

HDRnR
05-27-2007, 08:23 AM
Appreciate it Scotrace, very interesting to see the bash Truman had on his OR's. I like the one where he is getting out of the car, but I wish I could see the top. I wonder if it is a teardrop with the slight dents or more of a center dent ? The second picture seems to have more of an extreme pinch and the brim is curling slightly.

Ande1963
05-27-2007, 08:33 AM
Cool. I really appreciate those photos. I bought my first OR recently, and have been struggling with what to do about the bash. Part of the "keep it as a cattleman crease" argument was that I thought that's how Harry wore his.

I guess that's shot!

By the way, mine (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=017&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=270116421609&rd=1&rd=1) is likely from the '70s, and the 3X felt is a little stiff. It's not as soft and pliable as I'd like. I may not keep the hat... I dunno for sure yet. This stiff felt is gonna be hard for me to re-bash myself.

Anj

Art Fawcett
05-27-2007, 08:34 AM
:eusa_doh:

I've actually studied it HDRnR, it's a teardrop with forward pinches. He was a small man and had them custom made with smaller dimensions that you would expect to see. Here is my version

http://www.vintagesilhouettes.com/images/HATS/lim_ed_hats/HST_3.jpg

HDRnR
05-27-2007, 08:42 AM
Art, you are the man ! I will try to bash one of mine like that. Ande, I've had the same issues with my factory blocked cattleman OR's, the felt is stiff. I have a Royal Deluxe that is smooth as butter tho.

TaxMan1
05-27-2007, 09:04 AM
Didn't LBJ use a Cattleman's bash in his OR?

HDRnR
05-27-2007, 09:13 AM
Didn't LBJ use a Cattleman's bash in his OR?

I'm curious also, I couldn't find a good picture. The LBJ Library doesn't have nearly as many pictures as the Truman Library which has thousands.

Joel Tunnah
05-27-2007, 09:43 AM
Didn't LBJ use a Cattleman's bash in his OR?

Of course.

http://www.utexas.edu/cee/elderhostel/images/2%20lbj%20@%20ranch.jpg

http://www.lib.unc.edu/ncc/ref/nchistory/jul2005/lbj.jpg

Fedorista
05-27-2007, 10:30 AM
http://www.cr.nps.gov/museum/exhibits/hstr/image/obj/hatncoatrack_exb_HSTR437.jpg


Hat described as: (http://www.cr.nps.gov/museum/exhibits/hstr/image/obj/hatncoatrack_exb_HSTR437.html)

Homberg
Made by Lee, Fifth Avenue, New York
Gold lettering on band opposite label reads: "Made Expressly For Hon. Harry S. Truman."
Felt, leather, plastic. H 12.7, D 33.3 cm
Harry S Truman National Historic Site, HSTR 427

J.B.
05-27-2007, 02:49 PM
Of course.......

Of Course II -- The Reprise

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2217/lbj58bw.jpg

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/4083/lbj43rw.jpg

...and finally -- hatless, but I always liked the pic, regardless! :)

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/4059/lbj36fy.jpg

J.S.Udontknowme
05-27-2007, 03:35 PM
IKE too.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t206/JSUdontknowme/ike.jpg

deanglen
05-27-2007, 04:36 PM
Of Course II -- The Reprise

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2217/lbj58bw.jpg

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/4083/lbj43rw.jpg


Of the cattleman's bashes I've ever seen, the bash on this hat has such narrow side dents and wide crown dent.

dean

TaxMan1
05-27-2007, 04:45 PM
Thanks, fellas. Great pix and info.

AlanC
05-27-2007, 05:01 PM
Here is my version

http://www.vintagesilhouettes.com/images/HATS/lim_ed_hats/HST_3.jpg

And I'd wondered what H.S.T. stood for. Sometimes I'm a little slow... http://www.styleforum.net/images/smilies/lookaround.gif

J.B.
05-27-2007, 09:57 PM
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/4083/lbj43rw.jpg


Of the cattleman's bashes I've ever seen, the bash on this hat has such narrow side dents and wide crown dent.

dean

deanglen, I have an opinion! :rolleyes:

:offtopic: Although as you know, there are sooooo many versions of the Open Road, but after a lot of thought and researching pictures -- I now believe that the hat that is pictured here with LBJ is not a Stetson -- but rather an obscure short-brimmed, high-dimpled alpine bash Resistol model known as the Deming...

...but of course I'm old, and frequently doze off at the keyboarvzdqkfgermeiottttttttttttttttt

Wait -- I'm back on topic Truman...

As a kid, the bottom on Lucky Strike cigarettes packs had the initials L.S.M.F.T. printed thereon -- "Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco." However, we impudent children liked to tell others it stood for "Lord, Save Me From Truman." :D

Ande1963
05-27-2007, 10:26 PM
Art,

Your version is really fantastic. Can I ask how you handled the different proportions that you mentioned Truman had done specifically for his build? Is your model made with with those same proportions?

Anj

GentlemanFarmer
05-30-2007, 04:22 PM
Even though it's now called the "Cattleman's crease", there are two styles that are similar, but have a subtle difference. The Alpine and the Dress Alpine. I think LBJ wore a variation of the Dress Alpine.

deanglen
05-30-2007, 05:41 PM
I've heard that these LBJ hats are not Stetsons, strictly speaking, but Open Road style hats manufactured by a local Dallas hat maker, whom, I don't remember, but there is some website that shows Pres. Kennedy being presented with one prior to Nov. 22nd, 1963.

dean

jimmy the lid
05-30-2007, 05:46 PM
Dean -- I think you're referring to Peters Bros. in Ft. Worth

Cheers,
JtL

deanglen
05-30-2007, 05:48 PM
Dean -- I think you're referring to Peters Bros. in Ft. Worth

Cheers,
JtL

Yes! You're right! Thanks! What else can you tell us about the hats and the maker?

dean

Duck
05-30-2007, 06:08 PM
Great looking avatar, Dean. lol

jimmy the lid
05-30-2007, 07:07 PM
Yes! You're right! Thanks! What else can you tell us about the hats and the maker?

dean

I can't tell you a whole lot more than I already know from checking out their website and perusing previous posts on the Lounge. Jimmy Pierce can probably fill us in better than anyone...

Cheers,
JtL

Art Fawcett
05-30-2007, 07:40 PM
I think you are right Gents, Peter's Bros. made hats for several Presidents and I believe also for LBJ.
Ande, I modify my proportions to fit the client so this really is just an example, not set in stone.

deanglen
05-30-2007, 08:01 PM
Great looking avatar, Dean. lol

Just wanted you to know how much I like your work.:eusa_clap

dean

Colby Jack
07-13-2008, 08:44 AM
and I went all this time wondering what HST stood for....:eusa_doh: [huh] :D

analogist
07-13-2008, 10:08 AM
The HST on Art's site is a compilation of over 3000 images of HarryTruman wearing or carrying his hat.

As a relative of the late President, it is also from the times I remember him on his "constitutionals" on Park Avenue when he stayed at The Waldorf Towers.

There are those who feel I have a slight resemblance to Harry himself. You, fellow Loungers be the judge for as I have posted, my avatar is a photo of myself.

analogist

woodsie
07-13-2008, 10:12 AM
The HST on Art's site is a compilation of over 3000 images of HarryTruman wearing or carrying his hat.

As a relative of the late President, it is also from the times I remember him on his "constitutionals" on Park Avenue when he stayed at The Waldorf Towers.

There are those who feel I have a slight resemblance to Harry himself. You, fellow Loungers be the judge for as I have posted, my avatar is a photo of myself.

analogist
Yes, there is a resemblance, but I believe HST preferred a sable coat to your mink stole.:D

rgraham
07-13-2008, 02:45 PM
The HST on Art's site is a compilation of over 3000 images of HarryTruman wearing or carrying his hat.

As a relative of the late President, it is also from the times I remember him on his "constitutionals" on Park Avenue when he stayed at The Waldorf Towers.

There are those who feel I have a slight resemblance to Harry himself. You, fellow Loungers be the judge for as I have posted, my avatar is a photo of myself.

analogist

You could be his twin. Except for the hair and coat that is.

Viper Man
07-17-2008, 06:43 AM
and I went all this time wondering what HST stood for....:eusa_doh: [huh] :D

Heh. Initially, I thought it stood for this guy...

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper873/stills/421c0a8bbfbb2-21-1.jpg

duggap
07-17-2008, 12:44 PM
The last hat I got from Art was the HST in powder blue. The color is a little tricky to wear but the style of the HST is the very best of all my hats. I think it is one of the top three that Art produces.

mingoslim
07-17-2008, 02:46 PM
Didn't LBJ use a Cattleman's bash in his OR?

He even used an image of his hat on his campaign buttons . . .

Lefty
07-18-2008, 06:55 AM
No, no. I know he's got the same initials, but we're talking presidents.

If we were talking about this kind of goofy hat,

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper873/stills/421c0a8bbfbb2-21-1.jpg

we'd be talking about this president.

http://history.sandiego.edu/cdr2/WW2Pics/04482.GIF

Colby Jack
07-18-2008, 09:52 AM
All great images...:eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap
Duggap...what are the top 3 hats in your opinion?

duggap
07-18-2008, 10:23 AM
Colby Jack, I think the HST, the Jazzman and the LaSalle are my three favorites that Art makes. I have the Brooklyn but I consider it a more dressy hat. A very nice lid. Naturally Jack, my opinions are just that and are just mine. Others may have other favorites and I would never argue with them as to which is the best.

J.B.
07-18-2008, 10:35 AM
He even used an image of his hat on his campaign buttons . . .

Right! Here are a few "examples"...

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4628/lbj3bc.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9012/lbj16gb.jpg

http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/8412/lbj24od.jpg

Colby Jack
07-18-2008, 09:39 PM
Colby Jack, I think the HST, the Jazzman and the LaSalle are my three favorites that Art makes. I have the Brooklyn but I consider it a more dressy hat. A very nice lid. Naturally Jack, my opinions are just that and are just mine. Others may have other favorites and I would never argue with them as to which is the best.
All beautiful hats Duggap...and it's always fun to find out what styles of Art people like. Maybe a new thread on which 3 of Arts hats people would choose and why...:eusa_clap [huh] :D