PDA

View Full Version : NEW A-2 PURCHASE! ANY AND ALL OPINIONS/ADVICE WELCOME
















RHODEO
11-20-2007, 01:03 AM
Hi all, and salutations to everyone.

Im a newbie to this forum, and if I may, would like to draw on your experience, opinions, views, to help me gain some additional insight and make up my mind as to which A-2 to purchase.

It will be my 1st and only A-2 purchase for a very, very long time. (Im sure thats like, ĶFamous last wordsĶ. ) Im 511 and 172 lbs. And take a 42L normal suit jacket.

My criteria in order of importance are as follows:

- Collar-stand construction
- Great Horse Hide quality, and colour.
- True Historical fit (Pattern / Cut), must also sit nicely on shoulders and not hang off too much, and epaullettes musnt "ride up"

- Most Durable construction (incl knits and all other components), I intend to WEAR this jacket, and would like it to be a faithful companion for some time to come yet.

- Correct stitching detail
- Good/Fair Historical accuracy

I like the following jackets:

- RMNZ Roughwear 1943 Pattern , Seal Brown HH)

- Aero 38-1711-P Type A-2 Lost contract (Seal Brown HH) OR Aero 40-3785-P Type A-2

- Lost worlds Dubow Collar Stand (Seal Brown HH) (But not sure what to make of the owners attitude)

- ELC - Roughwear (Seal Brown HH)


Its really between the RMNZ and AERO. The fact that I heard so many complaints about the ELCs knits put me off. (As well as their possible pattern discrepancies)

I like the AERO 38--1711-P , but dont know whether they offer this particular model with contrasting (rust coloured) knits ( I kinda like those, but dont know how Id will feel about them in a while) What is the difference between dark berry and Rust coloured knits?
I also would like to know whether they offer this model with the red rust silk lining, and what the cost implications would be?
Are the AEROs slightly shorter cut then most other makes?

I really just like the Roughwear looks, and since ELC seem to have issues with their knits , my only option is the RMNZ

Does anyone perhaps have any nice detailed pics of the abovementioned jackets? Seeing true pics might just make up my mind.

Any and All opinions/views welcome


Thanks and kind regards

Edward
11-20-2007, 03:27 AM
Looking forward to hearing from the experts here; I'm in the same boat and have been reading up on this for some time round these parts as I hope to buy an A2 for the Spring. I'm looking at the Aero myself - I just love the rust cuffs against the seal brown jackets! The Dark Berry ones are the regular deep browk colour, the rust are the reddy ones which I believe I'm correct in saying were a characteristic feature of some of the original USAAF Aero contract jackets, and a distinctive feature peculiar to the original Aero brand. As far as I can make out, Aero will do you the red silk lining (not sure if there's an extra charge, I'd assume so?) to order. I'm toying with the idea myself as I love the look of the red lining in the examples on their site, but I'm not sure.... I think I read somewhere that it wasn't as hard wearing as the standard lining?

For what it's worth, I hear the RMNZ jackets are unbeatable - some of the expertsd round here rate them over the Aero and ELCs by a long way. They're also significantly more expensive though if price is a factor for you. I like the look of the Toys MaCoys range I see from Japan (made by Buzz Rickson? or am I wrong there?) but from what I see of those on OFAS, they're double the Aero price. :eek:

fedoralover
11-20-2007, 06:52 AM
The most accurate A-2 reproductions made today are being produced by John Chapman. He has the Good Wear leather company and his site can be found here. He is still cheaper than some of the other high end producers previously mentioned.http://www.goodwearleather.com/pages/index.html

heres a link to another site showing his Aero repro in horsehide.

http://cornellsurgery.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1117&start=0

Also just scroll down the page a few posts to this thread about the gentleman who purchased an original Doniger and who also has a repro made by John. He has side by side pics to compare, old with new. http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?t=25222


fedoralover

jake431
11-20-2007, 08:24 AM
I'll second Fedoralover's recommendation for Goodwear - not only are John's jackets freakishly faithful to one you'd have had thrown at you in 1943, John is also a very easy guy to deal with and will patiently work through all your concerns to make sure you're happy with your jacket in the end.

http://www.goodwearleather.com/pages/index.html

-Jake

Edward
11-20-2007, 08:26 AM
I've seen pictures of John's jackets - they look beautiful. Working out at outside my budget for now, but yes, money no object they're superb.

jamespibworth@n
11-20-2007, 09:32 AM
If I were to have only one repro A2 (I have several at the moment) it would be an Aero.
The fit is as original as they use original patterns. They are also great to deal with. I am sure if you get the size right (just call them) you will be more than happy. Both my Aeros are getting better and better with wear. I wear them for work (an active job too). They do a good A2 guide to and for a small price will send you it although I dont think it includes the latest manufacture of A2s (Goodwear).

I would suggest do all the homework you can before you purchase but am sure you will not stop at one!!!

Just a thought, you could look out for sale items on their web site or try Ebay, this way you can buy and sell a few until you find one that is right for you?

Juanito
11-20-2007, 10:59 AM
There are a lot of priorities there.

If you want the most durable jacket, buy the Lost Worlds Dubow. Yes, Stuart is "difficult" to deal with at best, but the jacket wears like iron and is a fairly accurate reproduction. You have tradeoffs when you are asking for the durability: you trade a period cotton taped zipper for a nylon tapped zipper. Lost Worlds glues the seams (at least they used to) and sews them with a very duarable thread. The leather is a heavy 3.5 oz or so--But the jacket will never come apart. The shell is unbelievaby durable.

The finish is entirely waterproof, too

If you are looking for accuracy, go with the Chapman/Goodwear A-2. That will be what I buy next, and I will be buying at least 2.

The Aero is a good solid jacket, but the inaccuracies or the components (cuff design, etc) are too much for me to swallow.

I have had several Eastman jackets. IMHO, the quality of construction and the materials (excluding the leather) are first rate. I do not think I have had a repro jacket that was as consistent with originals in terms of components (hopefully the Goodwear will outclass the Eastman), by that being said, you get knit that wears out quickly, just like most original jackets.

You are right, though--I was never happy with the cut of the jacket or the varied explanation for the cut or "resizing."

The thing that I always said was that I would like to have Eastman assemble a jacket with their components, using Lost Worlds leather, using a dead on accurate issue pattern.

I would narrow it down to the Dubow and the Goodwear, and choose based on leather finish.

Edward
11-20-2007, 11:22 AM
Juanito, do the Eastman jackets come up large? I saw a B6 on the bay but didn't bid casue it was a 42 (which I take in a suit) - didn't want to end up with a colder weather jacket i couldn't fit a sweater under!

Juanito
11-20-2007, 11:54 AM
Juanito, do the Eastman jackets come up large? I saw a B6 on the bay but didn't bid casue it was a 42 (which I take in a suit) - didn't want to end up with a colder weather jacket i couldn't fit a sweater under!

My experience has been that yes, the jackets are large and they have a rather "blousey" cut. I do want to be clear that I have not bought one in the past 5 years or so, but the jackets I had were oversized for their size labels, and the cut was off compared to my originals.

This was one of my major concerns about the jackets and I received several different answers from both Charles DiSipio of what used to be Nose Art Unlimited (now History Preservation Associates) and Gary Eastman. One of them would say that they have been redesigned to fit the proportions of the modern man, then one would say that the cut is the same as the original A-2 or B-3, but the labels are one size off (i.e. a 40 label in a jacket that is actually cut as a size 42) to accomodate the growing size of most wearers as opposed to the typical man in the 1940's.

Charles was generous enough to send one of his personal jackets labeled "42" to me to try on, and it fit more like a 46. At the time I was a standard size 40 and could pull off a 41 or 42 because of my wider shoulders, but the jacket was a complete tent and fit like a bag on me! I ended up ordering one of their very first horshide jackets in a size 40 and it was roomy enough to wear a heavy sweater under it.

In any case, in the best way that I can explain it, was that when laid out flat, the jackets had a cut that was very wide under the armpits when compared to the waist, then tapered back to the shoulder area, as opposed the the more "boxy" cut of an original jacket.

BuzzTheTower
11-20-2007, 12:15 PM
Hello,

I hope you're able to find just what you're looking for. I'm John Chapman of Good Wear Leather.

I just completed a pattern from an original Rough Wear 18091 and I was able to take it apart and get the exact shape of each piece. The Rough Wear A-2s truly are beautiful jackets, and they're a bit more complex than most, even with collar stands - a great amount of thought was put into the design.

Here's a test jacket I made from that pattern, and I'll soon have labels for it as well...

Jacket:
http://www.goodwearleather.com/pages/gw18091_images.html

Label:
http://www.goodwearleather.com/labels/GW_18091.jpg

I'm also making a copy of Aero's 16160 contract which was done before WWII started for the U.S. It's made with a collar stand, square pockets but rounded pocket flaps, and it's got s very smart look. I made this one a bit big for myself, but you see what the shape is like. I'll also have a Good Wear label for the jackets this week. This is a test jacket, made with cowhide, so production jackets will be done in horsehide...

Jacket:
http://www.goodwearleather.com/pages/test_aero16160.html

Another photo:
http://www.goodwearleather.com/aero16160/aero_16160.jpg

Label:
http://www.goodwearleather.com/labels/Aero_16160.jpg

This contract was worn by many of the Doolittle Raiders, as well as Claire Chennault.

Good luck in the search, and hopefully you find just what you're looking for.

John

aswatland
11-20-2007, 12:30 PM
I would highly recommend a Good Wear A2. I am delighted with my Doniger. John's RW 18091 is also superb. Here's a couple of pics of my original 18091 for comparison.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l15/aswatland/004-6.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l15/aswatland/005-6.jpg

Smithy
11-20-2007, 12:34 PM
That 16160 looks beautiful John :eusa_clap

What's the postage cost to Norway for one of those babies? ;)

SamReu
11-20-2007, 03:05 PM
Best thing I can say about Good Wear is the level of attention and service Chapman brings to the task. Others have read this already, Rhodeo, but it bears repeating: I sent John a jacket that fit me just right, and he crafted an Aero Good Wear for me, based on its dimensions. Didn't cost any more than the Aeros made overseas, either.

dadgad
11-20-2007, 03:50 PM
I only own one A-2 jacket and it is an Aero 1938 repro from Aeroleather Scotland, tailored upon my measurements, got it in 5 weeks from the day of the order and I can't really think of anything better, I've recently been in Japan and I've seen around in Tokyo's Ueno shops a lot of repros brands from The Few to
Lost Worlds or Real McCoy and so on, none of them match my Aero 1938 contract.
I never had the chance to see and touch personally a Goodwear jacket but considering what emerges from any of the comments that I read so far and also from the pictures (John did a great CD with a lot of pics both from repros and originals btw) I believe that also with Goodwear you wouldn't go wrong!

Fletch
11-20-2007, 07:54 PM
My experience has been that yes, the jackets are large and they have a rather "blousey" cut. I do want to be clear that I have not bought one in the past 5 years or so, but the jackets I had were oversized for their size labels, and the cut was off compared to my originals.

This was one of my major concerns about the jackets and I received several different answers from both Charles DiSipio of what used to be Nose Art Unlimited (now History Preservation Associates) and Gary Eastman. One of them would say that they have been redesigned to fit the proportions of the modern man, then one would say that the cut is the same as the original A-2 or B-3, but the labels are one size off (i.e. a 40 label in a jacket that is actually cut as a size 42) to accomodate the growing size of most wearers as opposed to the typical man in the 1940's.

Charles was generous enough to send one of his personal jackets labeled "42" to me to try on, and it fit more like a 46. At the time I was a standard size 40 and could pull off a 41 or 42 because of my wider shoulders, but the jacket was a complete tent and fit like a bag on me! I ended up ordering one of their very first horshide jackets in a size 40 and it was roomy enough to wear a heavy sweater under it.

In any case, in the best way that I can explain it, was that when laid out flat, the jackets had a cut that was very wide under the armpits when compared to the waist, then tapered back to the shoulder area, as opposed the the more "boxy" cut of an original jacket.Be prepared to run across some cagey behavior when you ask some high end dealers about how a size 40 will fit. (Present company most assuredly excepted!) The reasons lie somewhere between trade secrets and seat-of-the-pants marketing.

Edward
11-21-2007, 02:37 AM
I guess there's no substitute for trying one on, no matter what the maker! Eh, well, if it was so easy, weould it be half as much fun hunting down the right one? ;)

Juanito, thanks for the feedback on that - useful to know when I'm looking at jacket on the bay. Sometimes I'm happy to take a risk online, but when you're looking at the kind of money these babies fetch used, despite the considerable saving on buying new, it'd still be all too easy to make an expensive mistake! :eek:

Juanito
11-21-2007, 07:46 AM
I guess there's no substitute for trying one on, no matter what the maker! Eh, well, if it was so easy, weould it be half as much fun hunting down the right one? ;)

Juanito, thanks for the feedback on that - useful to know when I'm looking at jacket on the bay. Sometimes I'm happy to take a risk online, but when you're looking at the kind of money these babies fetch used, despite the considerable saving on buying new, it'd still be all too easy to make an expensive mistake! :eek:

I have been following the auctions on eBay for a long time (AHRMA17L for 9 years) and it seems that if an Eastman Jacket comes up for sale, there seems to be a sizing issue. Now, of course that is not a blanket statement on Eastman Jackets and there are plenty of others that are sold practically new due to sizing issues, but statistically speaking, one begins to notice a trend.

You are right about the trying on--I bought both of my Lost Worlds Dubow A-2's at the Museum of Flight in Seattle (I am not sure if it is still the case, but there used to a HUGE discount on price of items in the gift shop if you were a member), and compared them against the Willis and Geiger jackets and the Coopers also for sale there and while all were 42s, the difference in fit and cut was remarkable to say the least.

Edward
11-21-2007, 08:35 AM
Yes, them's the breaks.... sizing really can vary from company to company on any jacket. I guess different designers simply leave differing degrees of wiggle room in their jackets when designing them against the body.

I'm still watching the bay for deals..... I was just outbid on a beautiful Buzz rickson B-10 this last week, but oh well - the one thing I've learned from eBay is that if you watch long enough, there's always another one.

Jacob Dubow
11-21-2007, 11:39 AM
Juanito,

I am not sure I understand what you mean about all these "sizining issues" with Eastman A-2's. I own several of them and the newer ones fit just like clockwork. I wear a size 42 and every newer ELC size 42 I try on fits right.

Now, some of their older jackets are a bit different and I go down one size in those jackets. So, in the older production ELC's I wear a 40......no big deal.

I have found each manufacturer has their quirks, G&B's are big for the marked size, RMNZ are quite small for the marked size, Aero's can have variances in arm length for a certain size.

I have bought a number of ELC's off ebay and for the most part have been quite satisfied with the fit when accurate measurements were taken. Other than the pattern adjustment that ELC made several years ago, they seem pretty predictable to me.


J.A. Dubow

Juanito
11-21-2007, 02:54 PM
Juanito,

I am not sure I understand what you mean about all these "sizining issues" with Eastman A-2's. I own several of them and the newer ones fit just like clockwork. I wear a size 42 and every newer ELC size 42 I try on fits right.

Now, some of their older jackets are a bit different and I go down one size in those jackets. So, in the older production ELC's I wear a 40......no big deal.



I will try to explain...

As mentioned I have not bought an Eastman Jacket within the last 5 years or so. In fact, the last one I bought was one of their Roughwear 1401 replicas--so as stated, I have no experience with the newer jackets.

I think your observations are correct in that the older jackets are different and that was my point and my experience. The "resizing," pattern differences, and changes in production were perplexing given the explanations from Charles and Gary.

As far as the eBay comment--my observation has been that when one sees and Eastman jacket for sale, no one questons the quality, and they shouldn't--it is first rate. The majority of the time the stated reason for selling the jacket is that didn't fit the seller "right." So, perhaps people are looking for a different type of fit, but I would imagine the typical buyer of an Eastman A-2 knows something about flying jackets and is going to know how an A-2 or B-3 fits. All that I am saying is that (at least in the past) the sizing was an issue. For all I know, perhaps Eastman makes the jacket too well for the intended user given that one has to provide tailored measurements.

I have just thought it odd when owning several original A-2's from various manufacturers knowing how they fit, I could never simply call up and order a size 42 A-2 from Eastman and have it be similar to any other size 42 I have.

That is not to say that I was unhappy with my Eastman jackets, all were size 40s and fit fine if not a little large.

RHODEO
11-22-2007, 12:37 AM
Hi all,

Thanks once again for all this valuable feedback.

I have a few more questions though to finally make up my mind.

I have now rehashed my options and along with that came the new questions:


AERO
Aero 38-1711-P Type A-2 Lost contract (Seal Brown HH) (AERO SCOTLAND)
- I LIKE: all the unique features of this particular contract, fit, nice hides, nice red knits
- QS: Are there any fittings issues? Ring Snaps vs Nipple Snaps etc., etc

Approx Price: 400 + 50 = 450 x 14 = ZAR 6300



DUBOW
Dubow (Collar Stand) - Lost Worlds (NY)
- I LIKE: strong hides, and good construction
- QS: Are there any fittings issues?
- colours (knits, can he do them in deep reddish orange as per GoodWear), as well as contrast stitching as per GW
- Knits, are they strong like AERO and RMNZ and not ELC?
- Seal Brown with orangey knits?
- Leather (maybe too heavy)?

Approx Price: US$875 + US$50 = US$ 925 x 6.7 = ZAR 6200



Dubow Goodwear
- I LIKE: attention to detail
- QS: Do you make a collar stand version?
- Labels, can you provide original ones (stating orig manuf name instead of "Goodwear"?
- Knits, are they strong like AERO and RMNZ and not ELC?
- Seal Brown with orangey knits?

Approx Price: US$880 + US$50 = US$ 930 x 6.7 = ZAR 6231



ROUGHWEAR vs DUBOW
RMNZ - I LIKE: attention to detail, Everything said about them , here and everywhere else.
- QS: RoughWear vs Dubow, which has neater fit/cut (Square shoulders, slim fit, nice
length sleeves,etc)?
- Dubow - Colours (can they do them in deep reddish orange as per Goodwear), as well as contrast stitching as per GW

Approx Price: NZ$1300 + NZ$0 = NZ$ 1300 x 5.1 = ZAR 6643

RHODEO
11-22-2007, 12:49 AM
There are a lot of priorities there.

If you want the most durable jacket, buy the Lost Worlds Dubow. Yes, Stuart is "difficult" to deal with at best, but the jacket wears like iron and is a fairly accurate reproduction. You have tradeoffs when you are asking for the durability: you trade a period cotton taped zipper for a nylon tapped zipper. Lost Worlds glues the seams (at least they used to) and sews them with a very duarable thread. The leather is a heavy 3.5 oz or so--But the jacket will never come apart. The shell is unbelievaby durable.

The finish is entirely waterproof, too

If you are looking for accuracy, go with the Chapman/Goodwear A-2. That will be what I buy next, and I will be buying at least 2.

The Aero is a good solid jacket, but the inaccuracies or the components (cuff design, etc) are too much for me to swallow.

I have had several Eastman jackets. IMHO, the quality of construction and the materials (excluding the leather) are first rate. I do not think I have had a repro jacket that was as consistent with originals in terms of components (hopefully the Goodwear will outclass the Eastman), by that being said, you get knit that wears out quickly, just like most original jackets.

You are right, though--I was never happy with the cut of the jacket or the varied explanation for the cut or "resizing."

The thing that I always said was that I would like to have Eastman assemble a jacket with their components, using Lost Worlds leather, using a dead on accurate issue pattern.

I would narrow it down to the Dubow and the Goodwear, and choose based on leather finish.

Hi Juanito
What do you think of the RMNZ jackets? Roughwear and Dubow's Do you perhaps knw if they make the collar stand Dubow? Which in your opinion is the neater fitting between the two?

RHODEO
11-22-2007, 12:57 AM
Hello,

I hope you're able to find just what you're looking for. I'm John Chapman of Good Wear Leather.

I just completed a pattern from an original Rough Wear 18091 and I was able to take it apart and get the exact shape of each piece. The Rough Wear A-2s truly are beautiful jackets, and they're a bit more complex than most, even with collar stands - a great amount of thought was put into the design.

Here's a test jacket I made from that pattern, and I'll soon have labels for it as well...

Jacket:
http://www.goodwearleather.com/pages/gw18091_images.html

Label:
http://www.goodwearleather.com/labels/GW_18091.jpg

I'm also making a copy of Aero's 16160 contract which was done before WWII started for the U.S. It's made with a collar stand, square pockets but rounded pocket flaps, and it's got s very smart look. I made this one a bit big for myself, but you see what the shape is like. I'll also have a Good Wear label for the jackets this week. This is a test jacket, made with cowhide, so production jackets will be done in horsehide...

Jacket:
http://www.goodwearleather.com/pages/test_aero16160.html

Another photo:
http://www.goodwearleather.com/aero16160/aero_16160.jpg

Label:
http://www.goodwearleather.com/labels/Aero_16160.jpg

This contract was worn by many of the Doolittle Raiders, as well as Claire Chennault.

Good luck in the search, and hopefully you find just what you're looking for.

John

Hi John,

I had a look at the Dubow on ur site. That is the way i would like my jacket to fit. Nice square shoulders, maybe a bit more length in the arms. Do you do those with the proper labels? What leather was used on that particular jckt ?(what would you call that colour)? Do you have an example (pic) of ur seal brown colour ? and the knits? (Is that the colour you refer to as the reddish orange?) http://home.comcast.net/~jchapman2004/dubow7/dubow7.html

RHODEO
11-22-2007, 01:02 AM
I only own one A-2 jacket and it is an Aero 1938 repro from Aeroleather Scotland, tailored upon my measurements, got it in 5 weeks from the day of the order and I can't really think of anything better, I've recently been in Japan and I've seen around in Tokyo's Ueno shops a lot of repros brands from The Few to
Lost Worlds or Real McCoy and so on, none of them match my Aero 1938 contract.
I never had the chance to see and touch personally a Goodwear jacket but considering what emerges from any of the comments that I read so far and also from the pictures (John did a great CD with a lot of pics both from repros and originals btw) I believe that also with Goodwear you wouldn't go wrong!

I really like this jacket on paper /description, all the little unique details (ie the topsticthing on both seams of the sleeves etc). What colour is yours (hide/knits), size? Do you have some detailed pics as well as some of where ur wearing it to get some sort of perspective of fit. I'd really appreciate that .thanks

Juanito
11-23-2007, 01:44 PM
Hi Juanito
What do you think of the RMNZ jackets? Roughwear and Dubow's Do you perhaps knw if they make the collar stand Dubow? Which in your opinion is the neater fitting between the two?

You know, I do not have much experience with the Real McCoy's Jackets. I have had two (it has been at least 5 years), and while I was impressed overall with most of the aspects of the jackets, I ended up selling them--no so much that I was dissatisfied with them, but I lost interest in jackets for a while, and I didn't own them for very long.

I owned a Monarch copy and a Dubow copy and I bought both used, so I have no experience with the Roughwear. The Dubow I had was not of the collar stand construction.

I did like the superb labels and the overall style, the quality of the nipple style buttons, the correct shape of the pockets and flaps, but the knit seemed heavier that my originals with the cuffs being long, and while I was quite happy with the leather, it seemed a little smooth on the Monarch. The color on the Dubow copy was fantastic. That is about all I remember.

The fit was good.

BuzzTheTower
11-24-2007, 11:22 AM
That 16160 looks beautiful John :eusa_clap

What's the postage cost to Norway for one of those babies? ;)

Smithy,

Thanks so much - the Aero original was just superb, so copying it was a pleasure. The shipping to Norway would be $50 using EMS with insurance and tracking.

John

BuzzTheTower
11-24-2007, 11:32 AM
Dubow Goodwear
- I LIKE: attention to detail
- QS: Do you make a collar stand version?
- Labels, can you provide original ones (stating orig manuf name instead of "Goodwear"?
- Knits, are they strong like AERO and RMNZ and not ELC?
- Seal Brown with orangey knits?

Approx Price: US$880 + US$50 = US$ 930 x 6.7 = ZAR 6231

Hi Rhodeo,

Thanks. I've been able to get patterns from four Dubows, including a size 36 which I took apart and a size 52, which is quite rare. I don't have a collar stand version at this time, but it's not hard to engineer. I've got the larger square Dubow labels of the 27798 contract, with sizes 40-48, which are incorporated in the label. My knits are just as strong as any makers, and will last well - they don't balloon or look odd.

I've got seal brown horsehide and cowhide (with the cowhide looking superb, and the horsehide aging to look just like originals). The knits of Dubow jackets made after 1941 tended to have either and orange or purple hue of brown, and I can do either shade.

Here are some photos of a jacket made with my seal brown leather called English Pub Coffee, which has proven to be very popular and fun to wear. It's not stiff, but isn't thin, either. The grain is 100% real and amazing...

http://www.goodwearleather.com/pages/gw21996_images.html

John

Smithy
11-25-2007, 06:57 PM
Smithy,

Thanks so much - the Aero original was just superb, so copying it was a pleasure. The shipping to Norway would be $50 using EMS with insurance and tracking.

John

John, I'm thinking I might have to get in touch with you after Christmas regarding one of those 16160s ;)

When will you be offering this contract to the public John?

Cheers,

Smithy

fedoralover
11-25-2007, 08:41 PM
John, I'm thinking I might have to get in touch with you after Christmas regarding one of those 16160s ;) Smithy

You might want to get in line now, there is a bit of a wait to get it made, around 7 weeks or so I think.

fedoralover

Smithy
11-25-2007, 09:12 PM
Thanks Fedoralover, it'll have to wait until after Christmas. No need for a rush with me as it's Irvin weather here at the moment and will be for the next 4 or so months.

That 16160 is my favourite A-2 contract by a long chalk, it'll have to be one of those!

BuzzTheTower
11-28-2007, 01:08 AM
John, I'm thinking I might have to get in touch with you after Christmas regarding one of those 16160s ;)

When will you be offering this contract to the public John?

Hi Smithy,

Thanks. I'll have this contract on the web site soon, as I have a jacket with the new label in it. Any time you'd like to order one, it's ready. I hope to have images in about 24 hours.

John

Smithy
11-28-2007, 05:39 AM
Hi Smithy,

Thanks. I'll have this contract on the web site soon, as I have a jacket with the new label in it. Any time you'd like to order one, it's ready. I hope to have images in about 24 hours.

John

Thanks John, looking forward to the pictures!

sphughes
11-28-2007, 04:05 PM
WOW.......How to decide?

John you are an artist. Once I can make up my mind I will call and introduce myself.

-Scott

BuzzTheTower
11-30-2007, 03:52 AM
Thanks John, looking forward to the pictures!

Hi Smithy,

A bit late on these, but here they are. The light was quickly fading here in Seattle, so some are blurry and I missed a few as it was getting too dark for my camera to focus (arrghh). I'll get more tomorrow.

This is just a test jacket with dark cowhide, and I've got russet HH coming soon that should do a better job of copying the original. They usually had russet HH, reddish thread, large ring snaps, Crown or Talon zippers, and somewhat orange-brown but dull knits. With a slightly thicker russet hide, this will look stunning.

http://www.goodwearleather.com/pages/gw16160_images1.html

John

Jacob Dubow
11-30-2007, 11:05 AM
Excellent job on that one, John. I think you really selected a sharp looking contract to reproduce, with the 16160 Aero!


J. Dubow..........(AKA) Ted

Smithy
11-30-2007, 11:08 AM
Great stuff John :eusa_clap

That's the one I'm after. Expect an email once Christmas is out of the way.

Best,

Tim