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AlanC
12-19-2007, 12:46 PM
Inspired by Mike K.'s earlier thread (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?t=18199) on his Riverina modifications, here is my version. Mine is in fawn and purchased at discount from Outbackoutlet.com (http://www.outbackoutlet.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=77) back when I also bought the Adventurer.

The Riverina looks like this out of the box:

http://www.outbackoutlet.com/images/1040.jpg

I've extended the side dents forward with water and steam and, obviously, added the pugaree. It's 1" cotton twill tape in natural, not dyed at all (Mike tea-dyed his).

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7858/p1011847bf5.jpg

Colby Jack
12-19-2007, 01:37 PM
:eusa_clap :eusa_clap Very cool...I want one now!:eusa_clap :eusa_clap

Colby Jack
12-19-2007, 01:38 PM
Those side dents make it pop!:eusa_clap

indycop
12-19-2007, 01:41 PM
Very nice!! Much better on the sides now!:eusa_clap :eusa_clap

J. M. Stovall
12-19-2007, 01:44 PM
Good job!

surely
12-19-2007, 02:08 PM
tasty

J.T.Marcus
12-19-2007, 02:50 PM
AlanC, Great job!!! Beautiful results!!! :eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap

RJCNTX
12-19-2007, 02:54 PM
Beautiful job. I extended the dents on mine the exact same way.

RBH
12-19-2007, 03:23 PM
Sweet! Frank Buck would have brought back more alive, if he would have had such a sweet hat as this!!:D
Great job alan!

Razzman
12-19-2007, 05:02 PM
Nice job! It gives the hat a totally new look. :eusa_clap :eusa_clap

Mike in Seattle
12-19-2007, 05:39 PM
Very nice! Excellent job.

Yohanes
12-19-2007, 10:54 PM
Wow, combined with some safari shirt - you'll become ... what do you call that WWII commando under Wingate ... Chindits? :)

carter
12-19-2007, 10:58 PM
Alan, That is a wonderful transformation! Well Done!:cheers1:

deanglen
12-20-2007, 04:41 AM
Very Nice job, Alan. The side dents really give it character that sets off the puggaree. Then again, you could squeeze that crown even more for my taste. Note the image below.
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n197/deanglen/earlycmpaignhatsoioioi.jpg





dean

cookie
12-20-2007, 05:24 AM
Inspired by Mike K.'s earlier thread (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?t=18199) on his Riverina modifications, here is my version. Mine is in fawn and purchased at discount from Outbackoutlet.com (http://www.outbackoutlet.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=77) back when I also bought the Adventurer.

The Riverina looks like this out of the box:

http://www.outbackoutlet.com/images/1040.jpg

I've extended the side dents forward with water and steam and, obviously, added the pugaree. It's 1" cotton twill tape in natural, not dyed at all (Mike tea-dyed his).

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7858/p1011847bf5.jpg

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/382/safarihatwillsandgeigerrd3.th.jpg (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=safarihatwillsandgeigerrd3.jpg) The Wills & Geiger version

AlanC
12-20-2007, 08:44 AM
Cookie, I'm going more for sahib than bwana.

Thanks for the kind words, everyone.

Certainly Mike K. is the one who deserves all the credit since he's the one who figured out Riverina + pugaree = cool hat.

I understand there may be more Riverina pugs in the near future.

Havana
12-20-2007, 09:11 AM
The hat looks fantastic. The Akubra Coober Pedy offers much the same lines as the Riverina with a slightly wider brim and other color options for those who are interested.

http://www.davidmorgan.com/product_info.php?products_id=88

Mojave Jack
12-20-2007, 09:40 AM
Just to reiterate my comments over in the Adventure Gear thread, that hat looks fantastic, Alan! Those side-by-side shots really show what just a little bashing can do, and it really makes the hat your own. Looking forward to some action shots!

Mike K.
12-20-2007, 01:11 PM
What have I started!!! :D :o
Well, everyone I think it is time that the pugarreed bwanas get together for a little safari (domestic or abroad). Of course we'd probably want to start swapping hats, changing pug colors, etc. lol But can't you just see all those great Akubras together in one place, along with tons of khaki safari jackets, canvas tents, leather riding boots, express rifles, and a nice barbequed pig with cold beer all around!
:cheers1:

Mojave Jack
12-20-2007, 05:40 PM
What have I started!!! :D :o
Well, everyone I think it is time that the pugarreed bwanas get together for a little safari (domestic or abroad). Of course we'd probably want to start swapping hats, changing pug colors, etc. lol But can't you just see all those great Akubras together in one place, along with tons of khaki safari jackets, canvas tents, leather riding boots, express rifles, and a nice barbequed pig with cold beer all around!
:cheers1:
Mmmm.... Barbequed pig.....

Sounds like a great idea, Mike!

Yohanes
12-21-2007, 12:57 AM
You can pose like them:

<img src="http://www.chindits.info/Photos/400/SE7901.jpg">

Yohanes
12-21-2007, 01:03 AM
Or him: :)

<img src="http://www.chindits.info/Photos/400/Houghton.jpg">

Rafferty
12-21-2007, 09:12 AM
That is a beautiful job, and I want to try it myself. When you say you used steam and water to extend the dents, do you mean that you used 2 steps-- water and then steam?

Also, it might be the angle, but it looks like the sides have a higher rise than originally. Did you deepen the center dent to reshape the sides? I've never reshaped a hat, so I know very little

And I just ordered the same hat. Can't beat that deal!

AlanC
12-21-2007, 09:46 AM
I didn't mess with the center dent any, just the sides. I sprayed the front area with a little water, massaged it in and then extended the dent shapes forward. Then I hit it with some steam from a kettle in the front while holding the shape in place, followed by air dry and cool down.

My own shaping skills are pretty limited so this was nothing intricate. Trust me when I say you can do it.

Mojave Jack
12-21-2007, 10:04 PM
Mine arrives Monday. :D

carter
12-21-2007, 10:06 PM
Mine should be here either tomorrow or Monday as well! :D

Mike K.
12-22-2007, 11:22 AM
What have I started?! :eek: lol

Mojave Jack
12-22-2007, 05:48 PM
What have I started?! :eek: lol
After seeing all the research you did into the hats, and then seeing it in person at the QM, I started looking for one the minute I got back! Although I like my Australian bush hats, they don't quite fit into a daily wear routine. A little too, shall we say, Jungle Jim. Just a little...over the top. I wear them in the field, sure, but I'd still like a good hat with a down-turned brim and some classic style for daily wear around work and home. The Riverina seems to be that hat! Even as we dropped you off at the airport, I thought that your hat was not out of place the way a taller, broader brimmed bush hat would be. So that's what you started, my friend!

Mojave Jack
12-26-2007, 06:51 PM
And it's awesome! There's a bit more detail in the Adventurer's Gear Thread (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?p=475734#post475734), so pardon the cross post.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/MojaveJack/Pc265149.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/MojaveJack/RiverinaFrontView.jpg

Alan, I deepened my front dents, too. I tend to take the hat off and put it on by the pinch, and the original bash was a little too wide. It's perfect now. I also spent some time crumpling it up over and over, and it softened up immediately. Today was a windy day, and the brim gave just the perfect amount to absorb the wind without blowing off. My Flinders is still way too stiff for any kind of wind, and shows no signs of softening up.

Mike, you really did your research on the perfect safari hat! I couldn't be happier with this hat! Thanks for doing all the leg work!

Mike K.
12-27-2007, 09:09 AM
Mike, you really did your research on the perfect safari hat! I couldn't be happier with this hat! Thanks for doing all the leg work!
What are friends for?!
Congratulations on a very fine hat!

AlanC
12-27-2007, 09:13 AM
:eusa_clap

Looks great!

And a tip of the Riverina to Mike from me as well. He is the man behind it all.

Mojave Jack
12-27-2007, 09:28 AM
It's going to be quite a club! My buddy at work is planning to swap out the braided hat band, too, but maybe for a plain leather RCMP hat band from Miller Hats. I also passed on the word to another friend, and he is looking at either the Riverina or the Angler.

Judging from the fact that just about everything on Outback Outlet is on sale or clearance, are they going out of business? Or since it is an outlet, is their merchandise basically always on sale until it's gone? They have a couple things on their site that I've been considering. It's a site worth keeping an eye on, anyway. Who knows if they might get some other great Akubras or other stuff might come up?

carter
12-27-2007, 11:57 AM
... I also passed on the word to another friend, and he is looking at either the Riverina or the Angler.
Judging from the fact that just about everything on Outback Outlet is on sale or clearance, are they going out of business? Or since it is an outlet, is their merchandise basically always on sale until it's gone? They have a couple things on their site that I've been considering. It's a site worth keeping an eye on, anyway. Who knows if they might get some other great Akubras or other stuff might come up?

Outback Outlet may be just recovering from a flood of Riverina orders last week. They posted pre-Christmas delivery for all orders placed by the 21st. I ordered a Riverina on the 20th and still haven't received it. I just called and they said it shipped today. The fellow I spoke with was very pleasant but seemed to be unaware of the delivery guarantee.

If delivery is critical, I'd suggest calling their 800 number.

Mojave Jack
12-31-2007, 12:11 PM
Got a compliment at the grocery store from a lady yesterday! She said she usually doesn't like men's hats, but she liked my Riverina. I thanked her, and left the store feeling pretty good. It's a sharp hat, and folks notice!

Steve27752
01-02-2008, 10:02 AM
Inspired by Mike K.'s earlier thread (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?t=18199) on his Riverina modifications, here is my version. Mine is in fawn and purchased at discount from Outbackoutlet.com (http://www.outbackoutlet.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=77) back when I also bought the Adventurer.

The Riverina looks like this out of the box:

http://www.outbackoutlet.com/images/1040.jpg

I've extended the side dents forward with water and steam and, obviously, added the pugaree. It's 1" cotton twill tape in natural, not dyed at all (Mike tea-dyed his).

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7858/p1011847bf5.jpg

You have done a great job on your Akubra......................But appart from your link I can`t find a `Riverina` in the Akubra catalogue (I am in the U.K.).
What would the `Riverina` also be known as?
Steve

DominusTecum
01-02-2008, 10:53 AM
Sometimes Akubra does special hats for retailers, so that you won't find them in the company's official catalogue, only from a certain vendor. I don't know whether this is the case with the Riverina or not, as it's available from the Outback Outlet place, as well as another site, where I think the originator of the "Safari-ized Riverina" got his. Outback Outlet's are "fawn brown," whereas that fellow wanted his in a more khaki color.

Anyway, I'd say some kind of akubra-and-dealer agreement is the ultimate reason why these aren't officially listed by Akubra. The Adventurers that some of us got a few months back were similarly "unofficial," as are the Federations, beloved by so many here on FL.

RBH
01-02-2008, 11:16 AM
here are a couple sites that list the Riverina...

http://walkabout.com/shop/hat-ak-riverina.asp

http://www.australian-shop.ca/hats_akubra.htm

Steve27752
01-03-2008, 12:58 PM
Thanks for the links. I am converting my Akubra `drover` to the safari style. I have just bought a hat stretcher so that I can stretch it one size.
Steve

Mike K.
01-03-2008, 03:00 PM
available from the Outback Outlet place, as well as another site, where I think the originator of the "Safari-ized Riverina" got his. Outback Outlet's are "fawn brown," whereas that fellow wanted his in a more khaki color.
That fellow would be me and I purchased mine from www.walkabout.com in order to get the 'khaki' color, which is actually a light greenish-tan. I'm pretty sure that Akubra used to have the Riverina on their website, but apparently not anymore. Instead of doing a standard Google search for 'Akubra Riverina' do it instead as an image search (you'll get a few more hits).

Also, be sure to check out some of the other Akubra hats. For example, the 'Angler', 'Tablelands', and 'Banjo' are very similar hats with slightly different brim sizes compared to the 'Riverina'. There are lots of options!

RBH
01-03-2008, 03:24 PM
..Instead of doing a standard Google search for 'Akubra Riverina' do it instead as an image search (you'll get a few more hits).
..
That is how I found the lincks I posted.:D
You know... great minds!!!!

Mike K.
01-03-2008, 06:12 PM
You know... great minds!!!!
...wear the same hats!! :D ;)

Edward
01-04-2008, 07:52 AM
Fantastic looking hat. I've been toying with the idea of a safari style for a while, specifically with those Summer days when (due to rain or whatever) a Panama just isn't the thing, and yet a regular lined felt fedora just doesn't cut it either, in mind. It looks like that model would be ideal - I was also toying with the idea of a Snowy River too.

I presume if I make use of the search facility I'll find a step-by-stp guide somewheres as to how to fit a pugaree?

Mike K.
01-04-2008, 02:37 PM
If you check on the adventurer's gear thread you'll find the link on how to wrap a pugarree.

As for the Akubra Riverina, it is actually a lined fur felt hat.

Edward
01-07-2008, 05:43 AM
If you check on the adventurer's gear thread you'll find the link on how to wrap a pugarree.

As for the Akubra Riverina, it is actually a lined fur felt hat.

Thanks.

They are lined? Ah, I'd assumed (oops, classic mistake) unlined because of the ventilation holes... still, if it's designed as a Sarafi / outback type hat, it should still do the job I want. :)

RockBottom
01-07-2008, 09:26 AM
I tried to order one and got an error message that the web site's security certificate has been revoked. Anyone know anything about that?

Donato
01-07-2008, 10:11 AM
I just ordered the Akubra Riverina from outbackoutlet.com for $47.95 shipped! The hat is selling there in Fawn for just $39.99, whereas every other online vendor is charging up to $169.00. Grab one while they last!

Edward
01-07-2008, 10:21 AM
I tried to order one and got an error message that the web site's security certificate has been revoked. Anyone know anything about that?


I had the same problem - are you on Vista, by any chance? I've recently been issued with a new machine and it's running that OS.... I've heard of all sorts of compatability issues, so that might have something to do with it? Seems to me that the business isn't some dodgy fly by night given several folks on here have dealt with them and been pleased... I emailed them directly and they said they'd sort something out for me this week. Hopefully it's just a glitch, as this is an excellent deal.

RockBottom
01-07-2008, 11:18 AM
Thanks.

They are lined? Ah, I'd assumed (oops, classic mistake) unlined because of the ventilation holes... still, if it's designed as a Sarafi / outback type hat, it should still do the job I want. :)

That raises a question which I'll pose to the group--is there any problem with cutting the lining out of a lined hat? I'm interested in using one of these for flyfishing and with all the exertion involved sloshing around waist deep on slippery rocks at places like my favorite Penn's Creek (below), I'd rather it be unlined.

http://pictures-i-like.com/Albums/Album6/Large/Penns_Creek.jpg

Mike K.
01-07-2008, 02:21 PM
Well gents the verdict is in! I just received my second Akubra Riverina that was ordered from Outback Outlet. There was some earlier question about the color and how close it was to my original "safari-ized" version. Well, it turns out the the hat I originally ordered (listed as "khaki") is the exact same as the one sold at Outback Outlet (listed as "fawn"). Both are a light tan with a definite greenish hue. Now if you look at the Akubra website, you'll find that "khaki" and "fawn" are actually two distinct colors.

RockBottom - if done carefully there should be no problem removing the lining of the hat. Liner removal might make the hat a bit cooler to wear.

Edward - out of the box the hat is not really a classic safari hat; it looks a bit more "western" style. However, if you re-bash the crown with a tighter, more forward pinch (fedora style) and replace the braided hat band with a pleated/pugarree style then you'll easily have the classic safari look.

Donato
01-07-2008, 02:57 PM
Mike K.,
The only color available right now for the Riverina at outbackoutlet.com is "fawn." This is the color they have posted on their website. This isn't your khaki, is it? Thanks
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q74/DonatoFoto/AkubraRiverina.jpg?t=1199742486

Mike K.
01-07-2008, 03:15 PM
Ooops! I meant to type "fawn" - already corrected in above post.

The Outback Outlet photos show the hat to be much more brown than it actually is. It's definitely a lighter greenish khaki.

Donato
01-07-2008, 03:22 PM
Thanks Mike. I had hoped that the photo was true to color as I just ordered an Akubra Stylemaster in Acorn Fawn, which clearly is lighter...but for $39.99 I can live with a fawn Riverina.

Edward
01-08-2008, 04:37 AM
Edward - out of the box the hat is not really a classic safari hat; it looks a bit more "western" style. However, if you re-bash the crown with a tighter, more forward pinch (fedora style) and replace the braided hat band with a pleated/pugarree style then you'll easily have the classic safari look.

Thanks. :) I'd banked on having a pugareee fitted (looks like that's going to be a learning experience!). I noticed in your first post you've reshaped the hat a bit. A couple of weeks ago I'd have been frightened by that, but having bashed my first Fed this past weekend and realised how easy it actually is (especially when you're not trying to replicate a specific movie look... ;) ), the reshaping isn't at all scary. :) I'm hoping that if i can get hold of one of these I can make it turn out even half as well as yours has. :)

Mike K.
01-08-2008, 10:38 AM
Not to worry. If I can do it, anyone can.
This was my first attempt at re-bashing a hat and all I did was mist the pinch with hot water using a spray bottle, then reshape as I wanted.

Edward
01-08-2008, 11:20 AM
Not to worry. If I can do it, anyone can.
This was my first attempt at re-bashing a hat and all I did was mist the pinch with hot water using a spray bottle, then reshape as I wanted.

I thought about hot water for my Fed, but (following the information sheet HatsDirect.com enclosed) I intead held it over a pot of boiling water, which worked very well and meant I only had to leave it to cool, rather than dry. :)

Badluck Brody
01-08-2008, 12:36 PM
Yet again I'm on my way to the dog house, because I have to have one!!!

And as far as the safari venture... That's another reason I've been looking into fez, turbans and keffiyehs. You see I've been trying to network some of the RAF and German WWI and WWII reenactors together for some summertime events and a vintage live-fire.

Thanks again for the leads!!!

Mike K.
01-08-2008, 03:15 PM
Yet again I'm on my way to the dog house, because I have to have one!!!
Hee hee hee
:D lol :p

Donato
01-08-2008, 04:20 PM
Not to worry. If I can do it, anyone can.
This was my first attempt at re-bashing a hat and all I did was mist the pinch with hot water using a spray bottle, then reshape as I wanted.
Mike,
Did you use a 1 inch cotton twill tape or and then wrap it around to the height you wanted? Was it lightweight or heavyweight twill? (Both are available in white or natural colors.) How high do you recommend the band to be for this hat? I was thinking 1 1/2 to 2 inches. Thanks for your help with this.

J.T.Marcus
01-08-2008, 04:26 PM
That raises a question which I'll pose to the group--is there any problem with cutting the lining out of a lined hat? I'm interested in using one of these for flyfishing and with all the exertion involved sloshing around waist deep on slippery rocks at places like my favorite Penn's Creek (below), I'd rather it be unlined.

http://pictures-i-like.com/Albums/Album6/Large/Penns_Creek.jpg

The liners are glued in. The usual way to remove one is:

1. Turn the sweatband down, so it will be out of the way.
2. Gently, but firmly, pull on the liner, tearing it loose from one glue spot at a time. There are usually four to six glue spots. Akubra can sometimes be generous with the glue, so you may see a fair amount of felt stuck to the liner, at the glue spots. (It might be theoretically possible to tear through the felt, to the outside of the crown, but I've never seen it happen. I have, on occasion, torn a liner that had started to dry rot, but it was considerably older than what you're talking about.)

RockBottom
01-08-2008, 05:07 PM
The liners are glued in. The usual way to remove one is:

1. Turn the sweatband down, so it will be out of the way.
2. Gently, but firmly, pull on the liner, tearing it loose from one glue spot at a time. There are usually four to six glue spots. Akubra can sometimes be generous with the glue, so you may see a fair amount of felt stuck to the liner, at the glue spots. (It might be theoretically possible to tear through the felt, to the outside of the crown, but I've never seen it happen. I have, on occasion, torn a liner that had started to dry rot, but it was considerably older than what you're talking about.)

Thanks! I'm hoping it gets here in a day or two and I can take a shot at it. Outbackoutlet is in Oxford, PA, so it's only a hour from me.

Badluck Brody
01-08-2008, 06:23 PM
BTW: where do we pick up the pugaree to wrap??

Donato
01-08-2008, 06:50 PM
BTW: where do we pick up the pugaree to wrap??
I think Mike said he picked it up at a local fabric store - cotton twill ribbon or tape. It comes in a herringbone pattern but I am not sure what size he used. I am sure he will tell us when he gets around to posting again. This copycat sure wants to know.
You might also check out eBay here for off white pugaree:
http://cgi.ebay.com/OFF-WHITE-Pugaree-Hatband-Millinery-Hat-Band-w-Hooks_W0QQitemZ230116757464QQihZ013QQcategoryZ8843 3QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

RockBottom
01-08-2008, 07:05 PM
BTW: where do we pick up the pugaree to wrap??

Are people not using the puggaree band like David Morgan sells?

Badluck Brody
01-08-2008, 07:48 PM
There is a fished band?? Does this mean you don't have to wrap the thing???

And if nothing else... while I was going through some old gear I was going to swap or sell, I came across an old Rockmountwestern wear lid which was nothing short of trash...

Long story short, on a whim I took an iron to the brin and steamed and reshaped the crown, then put an old ribbon on her and ended up with a pretty sharp drover style lid....

Maybe I can just add a pugaree and have her stretched a hair??

Mike K.
01-08-2008, 09:03 PM
Mike,
Did you use a 1 inch cotton twill tape or and then wrap it around to the height you wanted? Was it lightweight or heavyweight twill? (Both are available in white or natural colors.) How high do you recommend the band to be for this hat? I was thinking 1 1/2 to 2 inches. Thanks for your help with this.
Yes, 1 inch twill tape is what I used. Wider would've been okay too. I'm not sure what weight the ribbon was. Height of the pugarree is strictly a matter of personal taste. I started the first part of the wrap about half way between the ventilation eyelets and the brim. Actually this entire thing is all about adding personality and flair to your hat. Make the pugarree as wide or narrow as you wish, whatever color you wish, however many pleats, etc. Make it your own!! Now that I have a second Akubra Riverina (identical to my first), I was thinking about going with something entirely different. Perhaps a pug of a different color or even a zebra skin hatband. Maybe add some croc teeth or lions claws. Who knows what it will become (or what new trends it might start :D). Have fun!!

Donato
01-08-2008, 09:06 PM
Thanks Mike. I was also looking at a crocodile band that I think would make this hat very interesting...we'll see.

Mike K.
01-08-2008, 09:09 PM
Guys, here is the link to the original thread.

http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?t=18199&highlight=safari

Mark G
01-09-2008, 07:47 AM
Nice hat Mike.

I made my pug out of muslin that I dyed with tea and that worked out great too.

By the way, nice to meet you at the Museum in November.

Mike K.
01-09-2008, 10:05 AM
By the way, nice to meet you at the Museum in November.
The honor was mine Mark. It was a privilege being able to chat with you about your trips to Africa and just to meet the man who actually makes his own safari hats from scratch! Cheers!!

Mojave Jack
01-09-2008, 01:03 PM
Yet again I'm on my way to the dog house, because I have to have one!!!

And as far as the safari venture... That's another reason I've been looking into fez, turbans and keffiyehs. You see I've been trying to network some of the RAF and German WWI and WWII reenactors together for some summertime events and a vintage live-fire.

Thanks again for the leads!!!
Yeah, Mike, it's all your fault! All of us poor broke blokes... lol

Gents, I'd beware of the type of pug that has the hooks like David Morgan sells. To put them on you anchor one end into the felt with a steel hood, pull the band around the hat and re-anchor it to the felt where it overlaps on the side. The hooks tend to rust over time, damaging your hat, not to mention punching holes into the felt!

If you want a pre-made pug, I'd highly recommend getting one from Lawrance Ordnance (http://www.lawranceordnance.com/khaki-and-green/hats-and-caps-slouch-hat-accessories.html). They offer the current issue pug for a very reasonable price, and they are fast with their shipping. It comes pristine, of course, but you can weather it a bit by tea dyeing it. They offer them sized specifically for your hat, so just order the same metric size as your Akubra and it'll fit perfectly.

http://www.lawranceordnance.com/khaki-and-green/images/hats-accessories/current-issue-puggaree.jpg

Steve27752
01-10-2008, 09:38 AM
Yeah, Mike, it's all your fault! All of us poor broke blokes... lol

Gents, I'd beware of the type of pug that has the hooks like David Morgan sells. To put them on you anchor one end into the felt with a steel hood, pull the band around the hat and re-anchor it to the felt where it overlaps on the side. The hooks tend to rust over time, damaging your hat, not to mention punching holes into the felt!

If you want a pre-made pug, I'd highly recommend getting one from Lawrance Ordnance (http://www.lawranceordnance.com/khaki-and-green/hats-and-caps-slouch-hat-accessories.html). They offer the current issue pug for a very reasonable price, and they are fast with their shipping. It comes pristine, of course, but you can weather it a bit by tea dyeing it. They offer them sized specifically for your hat, so just order the same metric size as your Akubra and it'll fit perfectly.

http://www.lawranceordnance.com/khaki-and-green/images/hats-accessories/current-issue-puggaree.jpg

Now, My Akubra Drover is a size 56 I am going to stretch it to a 57. Should I order a 56 or a 57 Puggaree?

Edward
01-10-2008, 10:45 AM
Question re pugarees: Is there a specific purpose behind this design? I mean, I know in day to day civilian use all hat bands pretty much form over function, but is there a specific reason why the pugaree was such a popular style for safari hats?

I like the look of that LO one. The Morgan option looks good too, though it's only available in grey, dark green and navy blue. I can see what they're shooting for (I actually still have a wool fedora I bought back about 1991/2 which has a charcoal grey pugaree for a band), but it doesn't strike me as quite idea for a safari style. [huh]

RockBottom
01-10-2008, 03:41 PM
My Riverina just arrived. What a great tip this was! Absolutely perfect flyfishing hat.

BellyTank
01-10-2008, 05:16 PM
Question re pugarees: Is there a specific purpose behind this design? [huh]

Tradition, Edward.
The pug on a slouch hat points to the Indian sub-continent, the Empire.
The slouch hat replaced some traditional Indian headwear(in Indian Regiments), the pug remained as a tradition. Pugs can be seen on Pith Helmets too.

B
T

Mike K.
01-10-2008, 05:53 PM
...and to follow up on what BT said, many officers of the Crown served in India and adventured in Africa (or vice versa) according to Safari: Chronicle of Adventure. It was fairly easy for styles, inventions, etc. to carry over from one continent to another.

Mojave Jack
01-11-2008, 05:24 PM
Now, My Akubra Drover is a size 56 I am going to stretch it to a 57. Should I order a 56 or a 57 Puggaree?
Steve, I think you'd probably want a 57. They don't flex a lot because they have a fabric backing that the pleats are sewn to, so I wouldn't expect it to stretch much. I wear a 57, too, and my issue pug is the perfect size for my hat.

NonEntity
01-13-2008, 04:55 PM
Bellytank wrote:

The pug on a slouch hat points to the Indian sub-continent, the Empire.
The slouch hat replaced some traditional Indian headwear(in Indian Regiments), the pug remained as a tradition. Pugs can be seen on Pith Helmets too.

I don't follow. Are you saying the pleated puggaree, with it's folded cloth design, is a vestige of turbans? If not, to what kind(s) of traditional Indian headwear are you referring?

Since I associate pugs with hats typically worn in the tropics, such as the various iterations of safari hats and pith helmets, I always thought the pug originally had a function, namely, soaking up sweat. As descibed in my post, "Akubra Slouch," that's just what the pug on my old campaign hat did--to the extent that it became permanently stained with mildew.

Mohave Jack wrote:

Gents, I'd beware of the type of pug that has the hooks like David Morgan sells. To put them on you anchor one end into the felt with a steel hood, pull the band around the hat and re-anchor it to the felt where it overlaps on the side. The hooks tend to rust over time, damaging your hat, not to mention punching holes into the felt!

Amen. Thank you MJ, as well as Mike K in his PM to me. I bought a nice-looking six-pleat silver-grey pug from David Morgan when I ordered my new charcoal Akubra Sidney. I love the hat as is, but got the pug to dress down the hat for casual occasions. I got it on Christmas Eve--just such an occasion--and was anxious to wear my new hat with the pug. But I was very reticent to punch holes in the smart black grosgrain band, not to mention the beautiful soft felt of my brand-spanking-new Sydney.

Since DM is on the west coast, they were still open, so I gave them a call to get advice on how to put on the pug. The guy was super-nice and extremely patient, and he got a Sydney with the same pub on display there in the store. He seemed to be struggling a bit with his advice, and when I asked if he'd ever actually put on a pug before and he said, "No," well, I stomped the brakes on that task.

I am SO GLAD I didn't, but, on the upside, he's the one who told me about this site, and everyone here has been so helpful on this and other topics, as well.

Mike K.
01-13-2008, 07:40 PM
This from the digger history website:
The hat band of the Australian slouch hat is called a 'puggaree'. It has previously been spelt 'pugari', ' puggery' and 'puggari'. It is from an Indian (Hindi) word 'paggari' or 'pagri' which translates into something like small turban. One school of thought has it that the folds of the traditional Australian puggaree come from copying the British Indian Army's attempt to make the puggari look a little like a turban, even if only in stylised form.

As for those cheap pugs with the metal hooks, I suppose one could always take out the hooks and stitch the pug ends together then slide over the hat's crown.

Donato
01-13-2008, 09:37 PM
My Riverina arrived yesterday. I love the hat just as it is, but will probably go with the pugaree from Lawranceordnance or maybe even a crocodile band. This was $40.00 very well spent. Thanks again for starting this thread, Mike.:eusa_clap

Edward
01-14-2008, 10:59 AM
Tradition, Edward.
The pug on a slouch hat points to the Indian sub-continent, the Empire.
The slouch hat replaced some traditional Indian headwear(in Indian Regiments), the pug remained as a tradition. Pugs can be seen on Pith Helmets too.

B
T

Aha! Thanks, BT, I get it now. It all pointed towards India, but i didn't get why that specific style of band had been developed: the stylistic nod to a turban makes perfect sense.

Hopefully I'll have one of these hats soon, and I'll definitely modify the bash a little and add a pug. Who knows, it might make for a difficult choice between that and the Fed Deluxe to be the one hat that goes to China with me for three weeks in May/June...

Mojave Jack
01-14-2008, 05:33 PM
Aha! Thanks, BT, I get it now. It all pointed towards India, but i didn't get why that specific style of band had been developed: the stylistic nod to a turban makes perfect sense.

Hopefully I'll have one of these hats soon, and I'll definitely modify the bash a little and add a pug. Who knows, it might make for a difficult choice between that and the Fed Deluxe to be the one hat that goes to China with me for three weeks in May/June...
I'd say it depends primarily on how much time outside versus in whilst in China. I wanted this hat specifically for the turn-down brim for sunny days here in the desert. The snap brim on my Hardeman looks nice, but doesn't do a bloody thing to keep my neck from burning!

Edward
01-15-2008, 05:09 AM
I'd say it depends primarily on how much time outside versus in whilst in China. I wanted this hat specifically for the turn-down brim for sunny days here in the desert. The snap brim on my Hardeman looks nice, but doesn't do a bloody thing to keep my neck from burning!

Good point!

Steve27752
01-15-2008, 05:36 AM
Steve, I think you'd probably want a 57. They don't flex a lot because they have a fabric backing that the pleats are sewn to, so I wouldn't expect it to stretch much. I wear a 57, too, and my issue pug is the perfect size for my hat.

I have ordered a 57, the hat is being stretched while I wait.

Bald1
01-15-2008, 03:02 PM
I just registered here in order to express my appreciation to Mike and Alan for their threads on the Akubra Riverina. I stumbled on to this site several months ago and have lurked learning quite a bit in addition to picking up on the Akubra Riverina deal. Thanks folks :)!

To put things in perspective I have been a hat wearer for decades having gotten a good start on being bald while in high school. But overall I've been more of a cap wearer than anything else with the notable exceptions of a safari styled hat I wore in the 70s and several cowboy hats (felt and straw) during the 70s and 80s when my family raised quarter horses. These days, as a retiree, I've taken to the fishing/hunting/bush style best epitomized now by the Akubra Riverina, as well as continuing to favor classic ivy style caps.

My battery includes a mouton Ushanka made in Vilnius, Lithuania; ivy style driving caps from Goettmann, LL Bean, Harrison Hillhouse, Jaxon, and others; a BC Hats (Bill Connor) Bush & City; Resistol Quicksilver; Larry Mahan shantung; and the aforementioned Riverina. Actually I have a second Riverina size 59 en route at this time which reflects how much I like the model. My first has only seen a deepening and extension of the pinch. I'm still contemplating what I want to do to personalize the second.

There's another thread about cowboys hats which unfortunately doesn't mention Brad Montague of The Star of the West custom hats. Highly recommended (and he's also cited on the David Morgan web site for refurbishing hats). I mention him here because I've taken my two decade old Resistol Quicksilver with it's >6" crown and 4" brim for a "redo." Brad is turning it into an Aussie styled number like the Akubra Lawson and Banjo but with a 4.5" crown and 3" brim. I no longer wear western styled hats so this seemed like a great idea to recycle this quality vintage silver colored hat. I'm really looking forward to getting it back after Brad works his magic. BTW Brad had some very nice things to say about Akubra quality.

You folks post pictures of your hats so in keeping with that tradition I'm posting a shot of me with a cover in this my first post. Unfortunately the only shot I currently have is wearing the ushanka, so.....
http://rap.midco.net/bald1/BOB_2003.JPG

--Bob

Mike K.
01-15-2008, 05:29 PM
Well, I have gone back through the thread and tried to count how many people (including non-FL members) have the "safari-ized" Akubra Riverina.
If I have tallied correctly, there are now nearly a dozen people (including myself) sporting this lid. :eusa_clap

Bald1
01-15-2008, 06:23 PM
Well, I have gone back through the thread and tried to count how many people (including non-FL members) have the "safari-ized" Akubra Riverina.
If I have tallied correctly, there are now nearly a dozen people (including myself) sporting this lid. :eusa_clap

Mike,

I'm leaning very heavily towards "safari-izing" one of mine at this point. I spent the other day running from fabric store to fabric store (Hancock's, Ben Franklin, Wal-Mart, Hobby Lobby) but none have any cotton twill ribbon/tape. All anyone seems to have is polyester grosgrain. Any recommended on line sources?
So for now I'm looking at those pre-made puggarees on OFAS thinking either hot glue or a stitch or two could work to size one properly. I've no intention of using hooks at all.

--Bob

Mike K.
01-16-2008, 06:14 AM
Welcome to the lounge Bald1. I'm surprised a place like Hancock's doesn't carry the twill tape. Do you have a JoAnn's Fabrics nearby? I had to search through the ribbon section in detail to find the stuff. My store had it buried with the ribbon, lace, and belt webbing. There are probably some online sources but I haven't checked. Actually, I would recommend going with whatever material suits your tastes; it doesn't have to be what everyone else is using. As for those pre-made puggarees with the metal hooks, the only one I've owned was actually held together with the hook. If you remove the hook, the puggaree falls apart. A much better pre-made option would be the one from Lawrance Ordnance like Mojave Jack and some others have purchased. You can also find some interesting hat bands on the David Morgan website.

Bald1
01-16-2008, 06:40 AM
Thanks Mike. Nope, in all the stores I cited I had help from clerks to no avail. 100% polyester and zero twill styles. Closest I could find was off-white and light tan grosgrain. South Dakota is sparsely populated so store availability as well as stockage is rather limited.

As for that $11.99 OFAS puggaree I had thought it to be like the one on my inexpensive several decade old safari hat which is a pleated job hot glued for the wrap closure. Its not in any shape to be reused unfortunately.

There's something about that LO military pug that doesn't grab me. You mentioned David Morgan... I also noted some interesting hatbands on NogginTops especially the 10 plait 1" wide kangaroo leather band. I presume they're a reliable source. Frankly I haven't checked the big RCC Western and like stores locally to see what they may have in the way of hatbands in stock.

My second Riverina was shipped out yesterday so I have plenty of time to make customization decisions. BTW like some others here I have received a lot of compliments on the basic hat with the tweaked pinch (although I'm still messing with it). Brad from Star of the West (http://www.thelastbestwest.com/western_hat_experts.htm) has offered to rebash my Riverinas to my liking should my novice attempts prove less than satisfactory. Very nice of him in my view. His redo of my vintage Resistol (this picture shows a black version, mine is silver) will follow all the Stock Show work he has in the queue which means 4-6 weeks.
http://shop.billybyrd.com/media/RS_RFH504007_Quicksilver_tn.png
I'm still back on my heels regarding how inexpensive his trim and restyle (reblock) of that hat will be :)

--Bob

Bald1
01-16-2008, 07:21 AM
Searching online gave me twilltape.com which I know nothing about. Here's a 1" wide x 72 yards natural cotton twill tape for $9.60 + ~$4.25 shipping:
http://www.twilltape.com/servlet/the-13/twill-tape/Detail

AlanC
01-16-2008, 07:48 AM
I had a very difficult time finding twill tape, too. I finally ran across this site (http://www.alphastamps.com/collageitemsribbons.html) (scroll all the way down), which offers a twill tape pack. I asked them if I could all three lengths as 1" tape, which they did. Their price and their shipping charges are reasonable.

Bald1
01-16-2008, 08:01 AM
I had a very difficult time finding twill tape, too. I finally ran across this site (http://www.alphastamps.com/collageitemsribbons.html) (scroll all the way down), which offers a twill tape pack. I asked them if I could all three lengths as 1" tape, which they did. Their price and their shipping charges are reasonable.


Thanks Alan. I appreciate your confirming that it is not just me having a hard time here :) I take it you ended up with 9 yards and that was more than sufficient for creating the pug as I estimate 2 feet per layer times as many layers as one might want (7 seemingly being standard for puggarees on slouch hats).

Donato
01-16-2008, 08:22 AM
Thanks Alan. I appreciate your confirming that it is not just me having a hard time here :) I take it you ended up with 9 yards and that was more than sufficient for creating the pug as I estimate 2 feet per layer times as many layers as one might want (7 seemingly being standard for puggarees on slouch hats).
I gave up on trying to find twill tape and orderd a pugaree for $15.00 + $8.00 shipping from Australia.
http://www.lawranceordnance.com/khaki-and-green/hats-and-caps-slouch-hat-accessories.html
You just order the same size pugaree as your hat and it will fit as a hat band. It takes 10-14 days to arrive. It seemed like a reasonable way to go.

Bald1
01-16-2008, 08:32 AM
Donato,

Could you provide some idea of the measurements of that pug? Front center width and side width (or height)? Appreciate it!

--Bob

Donato
01-16-2008, 08:37 AM
Donato,

Could you provide some idea of the measurements of that pug? Front center width and side width (or height)? Appreciate it!

--Bob
Sorry, but I cannot as it has not yet arrived. I ordered it based on the recommendation by Mojave Jack (see Post #70 in this thread). I like the look of it too.

Bald1
01-16-2008, 08:44 AM
Donato,

Okay, no sweat. Maybe our friend from 29 Palms will chime in although I thought his Riverina was outfitted with a pug he pulled from an Eddie Bauer hat he had. I haven't seen any pictures of a Riverina with the LO military pug installed which is why I asked about dimensions.

--Bob

Mojave Jack
01-16-2008, 09:01 AM
Bob, you're right, the pug I have on the Riverina is from my Eddie Bauer Akubra, but my issue pug fits perfectly, too. In fact, now my issue pug is on the Eddie Bauer! I swap 'em out pretty regularly, including the WWI wool band or my RCMP band (from Miller Hats, $20).

http://www.millerhats.com/productimages/695.jpg

THe RCMP band tones the hat down a bit when I want to avoid the Jungle Jim inferences (Nothing stops the IJ references! lol). One word of warning, though, if you like the RCMP band. it is intended for the straight sided Montana peak hat, so it gaps a bit at the top on any hat that has any degree of taper. I soaked it in water, and started pulling the band to get it to curve (so when the band is laying flat it looks like a banana), thus tapering in at the top and following the slight taper of the hat a bit better. Still gaps a bit, so I have to repeat the process.

For the issue, pug, though, if you'd like I'd be happy to take some measurements when I get home tonight.

Bald1
01-16-2008, 09:06 AM
Jack,

Thanks. That clears the air a lot. I too have had mine referred to as an IJ hat as well as a hunting lid by folks around town.

On another note you certainly have a lot of area to cover with your job (presuming here I know). My son was once stationed there. I'm a retired navy "mustang" and a more recently retired federal manager at a zoomie B-1B base :)

All the best!

--Bob

Just spotted your edit. Yes the measurements would be helpful as I wonder just how high the front and sides are. Appreciate the offer!

I still have my issue campaign hat that I earned back in the 60s but it, along with some uniforms, stays stored away. I was army enlisted before becoming an naval officer. Hence the "mustang" label.

NonEntity
01-16-2008, 10:47 AM
Mike K wrote:

You can also find some interesting hat bands on the David Morgan website.

Yes, DM offers some terrific hand-woven kangaroo leather hat bands, but FYI, all its puggarees are the type that fasten with ultra-sharp hooks that pierce the felt, and unless they are carefully crimped, probably the head band if not your head, too. Thanks again for Mike K giving me the heads up on making my own pug or getting a pre-made one without hooks, instead, before I punctured my new Akubra Sidney. The pug I got from DM now rests unused on the shelf.

Bald1 wrote:

So for now I'm looking at those pre-made puggarees on OFAS thinking either hot glue or a stitch or two could work to size one properly. I've no intention of using hooks at all.

I would definitely not use any type of glue to afix a hat band and go with a couple of stitches. In fact, the pre-made, sized puggarees, or one you make yourself if you make it right, fit tight enough that no stitching is really needed at all.

Bald1
01-16-2008, 11:49 AM
I would definitely not use any type of glue to afix a hat band and go with a couple of stitches. In fact, the pre-made, sized puggarees, or one you make yourself if you make it right, fit tight enough that no stitching is really needed at all.

I appreciate the counsel. I probably wasn't all that clear though. The notion of glue was only to affix the ends of the puggaree loop itself. I'd never glue a hatband to a hat.

Mojave Jack
01-16-2008, 08:24 PM
Jack,

Thanks. That clears the air a lot. I too have had mine referred to as an IJ hat as well as a hunting lid by folks around town.

On another note you certainly have a lot of area to cover with your job (presuming here I know). My son was once stationed there. I'm a retired navy "mustang" and a more recently retired federal manager at a zoomie B-1B base :)

All the best!

--Bob

Just spotted your edit. Yes the measurements would be helpful as I wonder just how high the front and sides are. Appreciate the offer!

I still have my issue campaign hat that I earned back in the 60s but it, along with some uniforms, stays stored away. I was army enlisted before becoming an naval officer. Hence the "mustang" label.
Bob, the pug measures 2" at the widest point along the side, and 1-3/8" in the front and the back at the narrowest point.

That's excellent you were a mustang! Mustangs are almost always the best officers. I started out in the Marine Corps, but have been Air Force Reserves for the past 14 years of my career (currently a MSgt). You're right about 29 Palms, too. We have about 935 square miles. I can't say I've seen all 935, but I've seen a whole lot of them!

Bald1
01-16-2008, 08:50 PM
MJ,

Thanks for taking the time to make those measurements. It gives me something to ponder against the more conventional options of 5/8" and 1" plaited bands or even a snakeskin or croc. It isn't as tall as I thought with that range of but 1 3/8" to 2". I'm still laughing at the Jungle Jim business though.

Again thank you!

--Bob

Here's a mid-70s picture I just found and cropped of my old cheap safari hat :)
http://rap.midco.net/bald1/safarihat.jpg


As for mustangs it seems there is never any middle ground. Either they remember their enlisted roots and act accordingly, or forget their past becoming full of themselves.

Bald1
01-17-2008, 05:49 AM
I had a very difficult time finding twill tape, too. I finally ran across this site (http://www.alphastamps.com/collageitemsribbons.html) (scroll all the way down), which offers a twill tape pack. I asked them if I could all three lengths as 1" tape, which they did. Their price and their shipping charges are reasonable.

Alan,

I just fired an e-mail off to them to see if I too can get a single 9 yard length of 1" tape. I've decided I want the flexibility to control the height of any puggaree I may put on the Riverina instead of going with the fixed height of the Lawrance Ordnance military pug that Mojave Jack was so kind to measure for me.

I may also pick up either a reptile skin or 6 to 10 plait flat leather hatband too despite really liking the double round woven lariet hatband that comes stock with the Riverina.

--Bob

Mike K.
01-17-2008, 06:19 AM
I just checked my local JoAnn's Fabrics and they only have 2.5yds of cotton twill tape left in stock, otherwise I could've purchased some more for my second Riverina hat or for whoever needed some for a pug. Oh well. [huh]

Bald1
01-17-2008, 06:24 AM
I just checked my local JoAnn's Fabrics and they only have 2.5yds of cotton twill tape left in stock, otherwise I could've purchased some more for my second Riverina hat or for whoever needed some for a pug. Oh well. [huh]

Mike,

I'm sure all of us in the hunt appreciate your thoughtfulness reflected here. And yes, too bad their stock is depleted.

--Bob

PS Are you and I the only ones with two Riverinas currently?

Mike K.
01-17-2008, 09:03 AM
Not sure Bob. About the only reason I purchased a second is because my job is so rough on hats & clothing. I figured a back-up would be a good idea.

Boodles
01-17-2008, 11:19 AM
I couldn't stand it any longer and clicked off my order yesterday. Apparently we have not yet totally depleted the inventory. I hope I can manage to tie a pug similar to those done by AlanC and Mike K, I really like how those turned out. If no, I'll order the ready-made. Those are nice pugs as well.

Bald1
01-17-2008, 01:50 PM
Not sure Bob. About the only reason I purchased a second is because my job is so rough on hats & clothing. I figured a back-up would be a good idea.

Roger that as I too am rather rough on stuff. Plus since it is rare that I find something that either fits correctly (as an example I wear a 6E wide shoe.... try shopping for that <grin>) or that I find really appeals to me, I often buy "spares." This Akubra Riverina, especially at the bargain basement price, qualified for a "spare" acquisition.


I couldn't stand it any longer and clicked off my order yesterday. Apparently we have not yet totally depleted the inventory.

You will NOT be disappointed whether you leave it in factory trim, only make a simple mod to the crease, or go for a full blown customization. It simply is an excellent hat at an exceptional price that easily can fit diverse roles/uses.

--Bob

D.W. Suratt
01-17-2008, 02:01 PM
I too could not resist this great hat for that price. I wish they had the Territory at Outback, that's going to be my next buy.

Mike K.
01-17-2008, 02:22 PM
I'm going to have to re-tally the number of Riverina owners. I've lost count. lol

Bald1
01-17-2008, 02:31 PM
I'm going to have to re-tally the number of Riverina owners. I've lost count. lol

No doubt Beverly Smith, who I believe is the manager of Outback Outlet, has no idea what you started here. hahahahaha !!!!

Mojave Jack
01-17-2008, 04:11 PM
Well, I very nearly went back and ordered a second Riverina, but I decided I didn't need to right now. After the recent bout of rain we had, though, I did pull the trigger on one of their Oxford Jackets (http://www.outbackoutlet.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=34). I like my Columbia Omni-Dry jacket at times (like when I need it to pack as small as possible), but I'd like something a little more classic that will go better with, say, an Akubra Riverina on those (admittedly sparse) rainy days here in the desert.

Mike, I think it is about 14, plus yours and Bob's second hat. They are probably quite happy with the sales so far! They should rename it the Audubon or something in your honor!

Bald1
01-17-2008, 04:53 PM
Mojave Jack,

It's funny you mention coats. I'm finding the Riverina goes with darned near anything ranging from a black leather M65 field jacket to a lava gray Marmot Oracle rain jacket to a ..... The fawn color is just that neutral that it doesn't clash with anything. The style is pure outdoorsman, not overly dressy, western, aussie, etc., so it too works almost universally.

--Bob


Addendum: Just received word from Leslie at Alpha Stamps (thanks again AlanC) okaying my ordering of 9 yards of 1" natural cotton twill tape :) I visited RCC Western Wear earlier today too but found no suitable alternative hatbands. So I think I'll play with a pug first. I do like those flat plait bands but am unsure of just how much width would best suit the Riverina.

Mojave Jack
01-17-2008, 07:09 PM
I have to agree with you, Bob. That's one of the reasons I went with it, too. Mike brought his to the QM, and I noticed that it was very versatile. Out here in the boonies like I am, a fedora looks a bit out of place, unless I have on a tie (which is rare). I have one fedora that is pretty work day, but this hat really fits the bill for a daily hat for me, even though the lady at the lunch counter yesterday still said it reminded her of Indiana Jones. [huh]

Bald1
01-18-2008, 09:12 AM
Woowie! Just got a call from Brad. Said he had a small window that was going to allow him to convert my Resistol cowboy hat into a Riverina styled outback number much earlier than planned. I'm to expect a call Saturday to pick it up.

I'll have to shoot some pictures I know. I didn't take any before shots though but the shape is pretty standard as shown in that small picture of the style earlier in this thread.

RockBottom
01-18-2008, 09:16 AM
Well, I very nearly went back and ordered a second Riverina, but I decided I didn't need to right now. After the recent bout of rain we had, though, I did pull the trigger on one of their Oxford Jackets (http://www.outbackoutlet.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=34). I like my Columbia Omni-Dry jacket at times (like when I need it to pack as small as possible), but I'd like something a little more classic that will go better with, say, an Akubra Riverina on those (admittedly sparse) rainy days here in the desert.

Mike, I think it is about 14, plus yours and Bob's second hat. They are probably quite happy with the sales so far! They should rename it the Audubon or something in your honor!

Heck, a couple of my buddies at work also picked them up after seeing mine.

Mike K.
01-18-2008, 10:03 AM
They should rename it the Audubon or something in your honor!
I say we name it The Bwana.

Edward
01-18-2008, 11:55 AM
I'm going to have to re-tally the number of Riverina owners. I've lost count. lol


Hopefully in due course I'll make one more..... I couldn't get the website to work for me, but I've been in touch with Beverly via email; the hat I'm after is in stock, so I'm just waiting to hear back about a shipping quote.

Steve27752
01-18-2008, 02:00 PM
My Akubra Drover is being strecthed to a 57, I have my pug on order from Lawrance in Oz. But, today I was in a craft shop and found 1" off white cotton twill tape, so I bought some!
But, my question is how do I wrap the tape so that it looks like a puggaree?

Mojave Jack
01-18-2008, 02:10 PM
My Akubra Drover is being strecthed to a 57, I have my pug on order from Lawrance in Oz. But, today I was in a craft shop and found 1" off white cotton twill tape, so I bought some!
But, my question is how do I wrap the tape so that it looks like a puggaree?
Refer to the master himself:

How to Fold a Puggaree (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showpost.php?p=293031&postcount=8)

Steve27752
01-18-2008, 02:50 PM
Refer to the master himself:

How to Fold a Puggaree (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showpost.php?p=293031&postcount=8)

All I get on that link is `The page cannot be found`!

Bald1
01-18-2008, 03:15 PM
All I get on that link is `The page cannot be found`!

Steve they moved it. Try this link:
http://www.lawranceordnance.com/khaki-and-green/images/Folding%20a%20Puggaree.pdf

Naltak
01-18-2008, 05:50 PM
Well everybody, I kept looking at this Riverina and ordered me one too. I just liked the looks of it as soon as I saw it. I'm not sure if I want to change it at all...at least not for a while. I'm looking out the window.....waiting for the UPS truck.

Steve27752
01-19-2008, 09:29 AM
Steve they moved it. Try this link:
http://www.lawranceordnance.com/khaki-and-green/images/Folding%20a%20Puggaree.pdf


Thanks that is just what I needed.

Bald1
01-22-2008, 12:46 PM
Well for me the Riverina customization is a work in progress. Here's my first hat reflecting my newbie attempt to extend and deepen the side bashes. My head pushes back against the lower part of the modification accounting for the unrefined look sadly. That and I just took off my eyeglasses for this picture which left marks on either side of my nose. hahahaha I have received a second Riverina but it hasn't been touched pending receipt of some 1" cotton twill tape.

http://rap.midco.net/bald1/riverina-bash.jpg

--Bob

Edward
01-23-2008, 08:20 AM
Mine should be on its way soon! I've decided to go for it and try to wind my own pugaree when it gets here as well. :)

Mike K.
01-23-2008, 09:53 AM
Best of luck to all you gents on your new safari hats!
I'm pleased to have inspired everyone.

AlanC
01-23-2008, 04:54 PM
Here's the Riverina in 'action' (well, you know) from a couple of weeks back:

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5848/p1060837ul1.jpg

I know Mike went for Bwana as a name, but I'm more after Sahib, which is what I guess I'll call mine.

Donato
01-23-2008, 04:56 PM
Here's the Riverina in 'action' (well, you know) from a couple of weeks back:

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5848/p1060837ul1.jpg

I know Mike went for Bwana as a name, but I'm more after Sahib, which is what I guess I'll call mine.
Nice! Did you use your own tape or did you buy the pugaree from LawrenceOrdnance?

Mojave Jack
01-23-2008, 09:44 PM
Here's the Riverina in 'action' (well, you know) from a couple of weeks back:

I know Mike went for Bwana as a name, but I'm more after Sahib, which is what I guess I'll call mine.
Alan, great shot! Looks like a Rhinohide jacket, perhaps? An excellent addition. What is that in the background?

It also seems that your hat is browner than mine. I thought that when you posted pictures several pages ago, but unless your camera is significantly different than mine, the shades don't match on my monitor. Interesting.

Here's my Riverina in action yesterday, while I was out recording a few sites. Cool day in the desert, so I had on my Cabela's Deer Island shirt, my Orvis canvas front vest, and my LL Bean barn jacket.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/MojaveJack/GiantDecorticationFlakesm.jpg

That artifacts I'm holding in front of my field book is quite possibly the biggest decortication flake I've ever seen! Someone had knocked the cortex off a quartzite cobble with incredible skill. The flakes are huge, but thin, and only take the cortex off with very little interior material removed.

Not really action shots, but then again, archeology is never really as exciting as IJ and O'Connell make it out to be anyway! Still rough on clothes, though! lol

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/MojaveJack/Recordingsm.jpg

Here's the sort of stuff I was recording. Not the best example, but we have some really great toolstone quality jasper that was highly prized by Native Americans.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/MojaveJack/RoughTool.jpg

The ole Riverina is really up to the job! It may be the most comfortable hat I've ever had to wear for 8 hours straight!

AlanC
01-24-2008, 07:06 AM
Alan, great shot! Looks like a Rhinohide jacket, perhaps? An excellent addition. What is that in the background?

Thanks! And it is a Rhinohide, good eye. The locals called that thing behind me the Taj Mahal.

Donato, I wrapped that pug myself from twill tape following Mike K.'s lead.

Mike K.
01-24-2008, 09:21 AM
Ahh, how I love to see a great hat actually put to use "in the field."
AlanC & Mojave Jack - those are terrific photos! I hope to one day make it to see the Taj Mahal, as well as some of those Native American sites. John, I firmly believe that this hat takes on entirely different personalities in different light. At times it appears more tan, while at other times more green. I've photographed mine with similar results. Some pics show a darker brownish hat, others a lighter greenish one. Makes me think of that new Multicam camouflage. After seeing Mojave's pug from Lawrance Ordnance, I'm seriously thinking about getting one for my second safari hat. Speaking of safari hat, we've been toying with the idea of a new name (e.g. bwana or sahib). How 'bout we just call it the safari hat. Safari being a journey, and that's what this hat is meant for (or at least what we've turned it into).

NewMexExpat
01-24-2008, 10:23 AM
Nice Pics, Jack. I especially like this one with the silhouette:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/MojaveJack/Recordingsm.jpg

My Dad worked as a surveyor in southern New Mexico for 20 years, and had quite a collection of arrowheads. Your pictures make me think of home.

Regards,

- Mark

Mojave Jack
01-24-2008, 10:54 AM
Thanks! And it is a Rhinohide, good eye. The locals called that thing behind me the Taj Mahal.

Donato, I wrapped that pug myself from twill tape following Mike K.'s lead.
Whoops! That's the Taj Mahal! How embarrassing! I didn't know you were traveling so recently, and I assumed it was something modeled in the style! :eusa_doh: How telling that I can identify the jacket, but missed one of the architectural wonders of the world! lol

Mike, this hat gets used so much I'm seriously considering following your lead again, and getting a backup while I can. One note, though, that is actually the pug from my Eddie Bauer Akubra. It is a more linen-like material than the issue pug, and actually looks like it was tea dyed. I'm not sure if that is due to age or if it was that way originally, but it is a lot more subdued than the brand new pugs. I'll get a shot of them side by side, and a close up to show the difference in texture if my camera can handle it.

NewMexExpat, thanks! I love being out in the desert, and a bad day int he field is far better than a good day in the office!

NonEntity
01-24-2008, 11:56 AM
Mohave Jack,

That's a great-looking pug. I'm curious, the Eddie Bauer Akubra that it came off, was that hat a special one made just for EB or an Akubra we'd know by one of its standard names? It would be great if you'd post a pic of it.

I have a Panama I got from EB years ago that's been a terrific straw hat. I've never seen that hat elsewhere, but then again, I really don't know much about Panamas. At any rate, I'd love to find out what company actually made it for them.

Mojave Jack
01-24-2008, 12:26 PM
Mohave Jack,

That's a great-looking pug. I'm curious, the Eddie Bauer Akubra that it came off, was that hat a special one made just for EB or an Akubra we'd know by one of its standard names? It would be great if you'd post a pic of it.

I have a Panama I got from EB years ago that's been a terrific straw hat. I've never seen that hat elsewhere, but then again, I really don't know much about Panamas. At any rate, I'd love to find out what company actually made it for them.
Thanks!

I think Akubra just did a special version of their standard military bush hat for Eddie Bauer at some point, and they just keep showing up. For all intents and purposes, it is identical to the military hat, but the pug is just slightly different and the sweatband is stamped with the Eddie Bauer logo. I don't have a photo of mine handy, but here is Rooster in his EB:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/Gunmaker/Suits/MikeFriends.jpg

MMy EB has the hook on the left side of the crown, and the small brass square on the edge of the brim that snaps into the hook to turn the brim up. The mechanism is identical to the hook and square on my Australian-issue bush hat made by Newcastle, too, though the quality of the Akubra felt is much, much higher. I suspect that any Akubra bush hat would be of the same quality felt, though. The EB versions show up on OFAS pretty often, but I think the only advantage might be that slightly more distinctive pug.

Bald1
01-24-2008, 04:12 PM
Jack,

I must admit your hat/pug combo looks great :) I just received the 9 yards of 1" natural cotton twill. I find it too "bright" as is and intend to "antique" it with either tea dying like Mike did or with coffee. I've never done either so I've been doing some googling on line to learn more. Two sites I've found of interest thusfar are:
http://www.alleycatscratch.com/lotr/Fabric/FabricDyeing.htm
http://www.marthabeth.com/dye.html
Once I get through this I'll try a few wraps. In addition to the military puggaree with its front and back twist, I'm considering an evenly spaced wrap with a single side twist. I also have an discarded Akubra tan braided hatband being sent to me by a generous forumite here. If I decide the Bwana Jim look is a bit too much for me it'll be pressed into service. It may also replace the stock dual lariat band on my first Riverina...dunno yet.

I also want to share something else. Earlier today I went grocery shopping and somehow brushed my pen against the underside of the Riverina brim. When I got home I began kicking myself as the blue ink was quite noticeable. I decided I needed to do something about it. I took the edge of a Mr. Clean magic eraser and lightly traced it against the ink line. It worked completely removing the ink without either leaving any kind of trace or otherwise damaging the felt. Score one for the good guys!

--Bob

Mike K.
01-24-2008, 04:57 PM
I took the edge of a Mr. Clean magic eraser and lightly traced it against the ink line. It worked completely removing the ink without either leaving any kind of trace or otherwise damaging the felt. Score one for the good guys!
Now that's a great tip!! I'll have to go out and find one of those erasers before I make any hat blunders.

Bald1
01-24-2008, 05:18 PM
Now that's a great tip!! I'll have to go out and find one of those erasers before I make any hat blunders.

Mike,

I learned about the Mr Clean magic eraser, believe it or not, on a vinyl forum. Folks there were using small pieces of the eraser as a stylus cleaner for the needles that play vinyl records. Certainly proper direction and judicious pressure are keys to successful use in that application. I now use it on my stylii :) Picture is of my vintage Merrill modified AR turntable with a Denon MC cartridge mounted in an Orsonics headshell.
http://rap.midco.net/bald1/SUT_sm.jpg
I reasoned that if it worked to remove tiny residue without damage to very fragile stylii that it might just work on delicate hat fur-felt. It did :)

--Bob

Mojave Jack
01-27-2008, 09:07 PM
As promised, here are photos of my two puggarees, side by side. I'll just post links so that the photo is as large as possible to see the textures. The top one is the issue pug, which is not from Lawrance Ordnance, but is very similar to it. The bottom is my Eddie Bauer Akubra pug.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/MojaveJack/Pugs.jpg

Here is a close up of the material. What is not as evident in the photo is how much thinner the EB material is, and how much more it resembles linen than does the issue pug. The issue pug holds its shape much better, but the EB pug gives the hat a much more relaxed air.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/MojaveJack/Puggarees.jpg

You can also see the staining to the EB pug. I'm not sure if that's how it came, or just from age and use. The hat shows nothing like this degree of staining or use, though.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/MojaveJack/EBPug.jpg

Edward
02-11-2008, 08:32 AM
My Riverina arrived over the weekend.... great hat. Unlike my other two Akubras (both Federations - one reg, one deluxe), it's a good fit out of the box - maybe this one is a closer shape to my head to begin with? They're all 57s. [huh] I'm looking forward to finding the time to put a pugareee on this - ordering the tape later. I was planning to wear my Raiders bash Fed to China in May/ June, but I think now I'll go with the Riverina. I imagine i'll appreciate those ventilation holes when it's hot out there!

Mojave Jack
02-12-2008, 02:05 PM
That'll be a good choice for China, Edward. I am wearing my almost exclusively these days, though it is still quite cool here at this time of year. We're breaking into the 70s right now, but still not too hot for the Riverina. (Today it is my Whippet, but only because I thought I had to give a tour, and my Whippet goes much better with a coat and tie.)

I'm looking forward to your pics from China!

007
05-12-2008, 06:20 PM
Thanks!

I think Akubra just did a special version of their standard military bush hat for Eddie Bauer at some point, and they just keep showing up. For all intents and purposes, it is identical to the military hat, but the pug is just slightly different and the sweatband is stamped with the Eddie Bauer logo. I don't have a photo of mine handy, but here is Rooster in his EB:

MMy EB has the hook on the left side of the crown, and the small brass square on the edge of the brim that snaps into the hook to turn the brim up. The mechanism is identical to the hook and square on my Australian-issue bush hat made by Newcastle, too, though the quality of the Akubra felt is much, much higher. I suspect that any Akubra bush hat would be of the same quality felt, though. The EB versions show up on OFAS pretty often, but I think the only advantage might be that slightly more distinctive pug.

I've got one of each and there are a few differences besides the puggaree. My Akubra Slouch is Khaki coloured, unlined, bashed cattleman style and made of Akubra's Superfine felt. My EB is light tan, fully lined, bashed with a center dent and made of Akubra's Imperial felt. :D

Edward
10-03-2008, 02:46 AM
Finally..... I have managed to upload my China photos, so here are some of me in the hat. As you will see, in the end I came down on the side of wrapping my own pugaree; it's a bit uneven on one side (I disrupted it trying to push in the end bit up and under at the rear), though I kinda like that, looks "real."

This is me wearing the hat in the Forbidden City in Beijing....

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b122/Edwardmarlowe/Fedora%20Lounge%20bits/UploadedSat060908020.jpg


At the Terracota Army in Xi'an...


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b122/Edwardmarlowe/Fedora%20Lounge%20bits/UploadedSat060908119.jpg

And on the Star Ferry tour of Hong Kong Harbour:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b122/Edwardmarlowe/Fedora%20Lounge%20bits/UploadedSat060908919.jpg

Quite a few of the locals took a fancy to the hat, here's one of them:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b122/Edwardmarlowe/Fedora%20Lounge%20bits/UploadedSat060908872.jpg

This guy offered me a trade....

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b122/Edwardmarlowe/Fedora%20Lounge%20bits/UploadedSat0609081489.jpg

....he said it was a hat fit for an emperor....

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b122/Edwardmarlowe/Fedora%20Lounge%20bits/UploadedSat060908070.jpg

Colby Jack
10-03-2008, 03:47 AM
Edward...Those pics are great! You and the Riverina had a wonderful adventure!:eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap

Edward
10-03-2008, 04:06 AM
Thanks! I'd go back and do it all again tomorrow, given the time and funds!

AlanC
10-03-2008, 06:53 AM
Looks great--the Riverina is traveling the world!

Edward
10-03-2008, 09:08 AM
Hopefully mine will manage a few more adventures! I did manage to turn the liner an interesting colour of reddish brown - sweated the dye out of the headband in the hong Kong humidity, it seems - though there was no transferance onto the felt on the top side, just a small stai on the bottom I keep forgetting to clean off....

kampkatz
10-03-2008, 10:27 AM
Did your hat get to see the Great Wall?

BinkieBaumont
04-17-2009, 05:28 PM
http://walkaboutdownunder.com.au/images/P/Explorercoat.bmp

"A rather Natty little Safari Jacket"

http://www.walkaboutdownunder.com.au/product.php?productid=16136&cat=103&bestseller=Y

Edward
04-18-2009, 06:58 AM
Did your hat get to see the Great Wall?

Did indeed!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b122/Edwardmarlowe/UploadedSat0609081374.jpg

Please note that the camera adds ten pounds - there's about six focussed on me in this shot. :p

Highlander
05-19-2009, 05:21 AM
Edward, I just ordered my Riverina. I plan to go to Africa (well maybe next spring or the following spring), but I want to get my hat broke in. I should have it this week. As for the puggarree being a little off balance, I like that, it adds your personal style.

Great looking hat an photos.

Thanks for sharing..

Edward
05-19-2009, 09:14 AM
Thanks! you should find it ideal for Africa... I'm just back from a fortnight in Beijing again, with the Riverina. A number of days I'd have preferred to have had a Panama on, but that said the Riverina won out as, only having space for one hat with me, it is the most adaptable hat I have in terms of dealing with temperatures both hot and cool, and weather both dry and extremely wet (last year in Hong Kong it performed very admirably in the heaviest rain on record in that territory for 120 years!).

If someone is a whizz with some sort of online version of a pin-board world map, we should have a go at identifying all the places wherein Riverinas have been sported.... I count at least four continents so far (North America, Europe, Asia, Australasia), Africa would make it five..... Is it possible that the Riverina has overtaken the Federation in terms of being the FL hat with the greatest global reach in terms of number of places worn (if not unit sales)?

Colby Jack
05-19-2009, 06:27 PM
Edward...what's that online map site that shows stick pins for where people are?...That would work well...[huh] :D

Edward
05-20-2009, 08:00 AM
Edward...what's that online map site that shows stick pins for where people are?...That would work well...[huh] :D

Uhm..... don't think I'm familiar with that one, but it does sound like what I had in mind. :)

campy
05-20-2009, 06:50 PM
Uhm..... don't think I'm familiar with that one, but it does sound like what I had in mind. :)Google Maps could probably do what you want.

Mike K.
05-20-2009, 07:07 PM
How about everyone simply checking in over here...

http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?t=41276

Edward
05-22-2009, 03:58 AM
How about everyone simply checking in over here...

http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?t=41276

Great new thread, Mike. :thu:

Mike K.
06-03-2009, 06:26 PM
I just realized that it's been a little over 2 years since I first started the Riverina epidemic at The Fedora Lounge. Since that time my trusty hat has seen a lot of use, abuse, wear, and tear. Thought I'd share a few recent photos of the original hat. Enjoy!

The world famous "Safari-ized" Akubra Riverina - a little stained, somewhat sun bleached, but holding strong.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e153/Lizard-of-Oz/CMK_2423.jpg

You might be able to see the fading a little better in this photo. Also notice the sun's bleaching effect on the puggaree where some of the material has slipped, showing the original color beneath.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e153/Lizard-of-Oz/CMK_2428.jpg

Dust, mud, rain, herbicide, soot - you name and this hat has been through it.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e153/Lizard-of-Oz/CMK_2425.jpg

No problems retaining its shape, but just look how buttery-soft the hat has become.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e153/Lizard-of-Oz/CMK_2426.jpg

Me and the Riverina - carrying the prestigious flag of the legendary Explorers Club (through my daily work environment).
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e153/Lizard-of-Oz/IMG_9244.jpg

Nebraska Schulte
06-04-2009, 01:17 PM
Mike K., that's an excellent hat you have there--looks like it's been well used. :eusa_clap

best wishes,
NS

david4king
10-06-2009, 10:50 AM
Nice I think I will get one now

Blackthorn
10-06-2009, 01:41 PM
Nice I think I will get one now

Who sells them? I'd love to get one before my next jaunt.

Doctor Strange
10-06-2009, 02:38 PM
They've been sold out for years - one of the dangers of reviving old threads!

Blackthorn
10-06-2009, 04:27 PM
They've been sold out for years - one of the dangers of reviving old threads!
I was afraid of that. Thanks, Doc.

Edward
10-09-2009, 06:47 AM
There's probably one of the Aussie hat styles at Hats Direct that would be similar, though, and could be adapted in the same way. It was just a matter of removing the original band, adding the pugaree, and a little reshaping of the dents. I was a bit daunted at first, myself, but it was actually really easy. Major kudos to Mike for bringing this to the Lounge.

Harry Gooch
03-10-2011, 09:46 AM
I'm picking up a khaki Riverina today, which I intend to safari-ize.

So, Bump.

Harry.

WH1
07-08-2011, 11:10 PM
David Morgan has the Akubra Territory in Fawn for $115.00, they are "rejects" means they have some small holes in the liner. With shipping $124.00. I am planning on putting a pug on the one I ordered. This looks similar to the hat that Kilmer wore in "Ghost and the Darkness". I believe it will go nicely with my Whitworth .375 H&H. Now if I can only find a Cape Buffalo or 2 in the back pasture!

Oldsarge
07-09-2011, 05:06 PM
This has been most interesting and informative. My usual safari wears a zebra skin but I just 'safarized' a IJ. I think a Lawrance puggaree is in order . . . In fact, I may just get two of them for when I buy a better safari hat!

zetwal
07-09-2011, 05:08 PM
Looks very nice.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/Gunmaker/Suits/MikeFriends.jpg