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(Sultry saxophone music)
It was a late night?｢どｨｬｶ.so late it was early. The red neon sign out side my window with the bad buzz wasn?｢どｨび｢t having much luck getting me to eat at Joe?｢どｨび｢s.
I had been setting there so long; it was hard to tell where the leather chair in my office ended I began. The problems with this case weren?｢どｨび｢t getting any clearer and the half empty bottle of Woodford Reserve bourbon didn?｢どｨび｢t have any answers for me.
I had been lucky so far. The pieces I had been collecting came easy. I never had to wait very long before they came to me. The trace I had done on that leather jacket went smooth. When I showed up at that Botwright fella?｢どｨび｢s shop, he opened up like a can of tomata soup. He didn?｢どｨび｢t want any trouble. He coughed up the goods licitly split.
Joe in Texas was just waiting for me to walk through that door. He knew the answers before I asked the questions. The look in his eye and the knowing smile as he took the goods out of the box told me he had planned this all along. That guy had brains. He wanted to see this played out as much as I did. He had it to me in just a few days.
I knew Marshall was working with the G-men, but that didn?｢どｨび｢t bother me. I had it on good information that he would deliver if you asked him nice. He was smooth?｢どｨｬｶ..maybe to smooth. Dave knew what he was doing and he knew his stuff was the best. I had to trade him some information, but it was worth it. He delivered the goods and was pretty quick about it. His boys had the package on my desk in a week.
Yeah?｢どｨｬｶ.I had been lucky so far.
The big question mark was?｢どｨｬｶ..the guys in Chicago. They were playing it cool and weren?｢どｨび｢t saying much. Were they bluffing? They sure weren?｢どｨび｢t in a hurry. Kevin liked to talk?｢どｨｬｶbut I knew all along that graham was the brains in that organization. I had never seen them do one quit like this, but the word on the street was that these guys were the best. That seemed to be the case, but it could be all a front. Perhaps they were getting their stuff from the guys in Australia and just putting name on it.
Another guy asked them for something like this. It didn?｢どｨび｢t look right to me, but then again?｢どｨｬｶ.he didn?｢どｨび｢t ask them the way I did. I had a friend who could be persuasive?｢どｨｬｶ..but they didn?｢どｨび｢t make me pull him out of the holster. They knew the score.
This was the first piece that was taking some time?｢どｨｬｶ?｢どｨｬｶtoo much time. Maybe I was just feeling this way because this one was different from the others. My previous hats and jackets were just better versions of Indy gear that I already had. This was not just another brown fedora with a center dent and a tight pinch.
This would be a very different hat. A grey fedora with an up-welt brim with a.......what was it called? It is kind of like a teardrop crown......I think it is called a "C" crown. Anyway.......
Could Graham do it? Can he really nail the Bogie fedora from The Maltese Falcon? Would he just keep it for himself and skip town? Could Agent 5 get there first and spoil the whole deal?
So many questions....and all I could do was wait and see how it played out.
Pyroxene
12-05-2003, 09:05 AM
Did you write that? That was great. I think I could make a day at work sound interesting if I could write like that.
Good Work,
Pyro.
Pen Collector
12-05-2003, 10:42 AM
It's ironic, but I was listening to smooth jazz at the time that I starting reading MKs story. The music added a lot to the effect. Good piece of writing.
Gabe
BD Jones
12-05-2003, 03:36 PM
Great writing MK. Very creative. I can't wait to see how it "plays out".
Andykev
12-05-2003, 06:22 PM
Listen here bud..ya, I'm talking to you. Wanna make somethin' outta it" No? That's better. Now listen, I've seen this joint, the hideout in Chicago. It's tucked away real sweet like...has one of them fancy awnings...kinda like the corner store. Keeps the cops away... Well inside,.see..., they got this big machine..and I'm telling you, it can make a mug talk. It's big, green , has long fingers, and it's moider to dem heads that they bust up in it. Hey, Mack. I spilled too much already, and mum's the woid. Them sanders and cutters, make my fingers bleed just think'in bout it. Ya, them Chicago boys can really bust up good so you 'll really felt it. Dem guys is the best...I knowz you'll chime in, or else.
I talked with that guy from Chicago today. Kevin said my package will ship this week. He talked me into an underwelt instead of the overwelt. Either way, the welts don't hurt as much as the waiting.
A hundred things could still go wrong. Agent 5 could kill the whole thing. Then there is that new guy at The Club that is trying to move in on my action.
I got to keep my eye on that Andy guy too. Anybody that has that much pull with Chicago could be dangerous. He didn't get that big a piece of the action by just being a nice guy.
If I wasn't just a small time operator getting $25 bucks a day plus expenses, I would go to Chicago myself.
It is obvious that sleep will keep eluding me until this case is solved. No rest for the wicked, as they say.
Matt Deckard
12-10-2003, 10:01 AM
Underwelt should be fine.
Bogart wore a "Mode/Cavanaugh/Self felted overwelt" edge.
I have one stitched overwelt in my collection and several Cavanaugh edge hats. but no underwelts.
I hear the underwelt reacts more like an Cavanaugh edge than the stitched overwelt, so when yours arrives I need to take a look.
Pen Collector
12-10-2003, 10:22 AM
Sorry, gentlemen, please explain or show what overwelt/underwelt mean. Just trying to get educated.
Thanks,
Andykev
12-10-2003, 03:51 PM
"Like a ribbon binding, a welt edge on a hat brim gives firmness to the edge and helps it hold its shape better and longer. It also makes the edge thicker and better able to withstand the daily handling to which it is subject. And, of course, like a binding, it dresses up the hat and adds a note of distinction. Fundamentally a welt edge is simply part of the brim turned on itself and so fixed as to stay in place. The turned back part may be either on top of the brim, in which case it is called an overwelt,or it may me on the underside of the brim, when it is termed an underwelt.
There are numerous kinds of welts. Some of the principal varieties are: the oridnary welt, the hand felted, the imitation hand felted. the balloon welt, the bound and the partly bound welts, the shallow edge, the stitched welt, and the two-tone welt"
Except fo the hand felted welt, all welt edges are formed by approximately the same production steps. First the hat brim is curled, then a zinc plate of the proper dimensions is laid on the brim and the curled edge is turned back and ironed flat over the upper side of the plate to get the exact welt shape desired. The welt then must be stitched down, following which the surplus fur extending beyond the stitching is cut off using a rounding jack.."
(Knowing Your Trimmings - Hat Life, 1983)
Nathan Flowers
12-10-2003, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by Andykev
"Like a ribbon binding, a welt edge on a hat brim gives firmness to the edge and helps it hold its shape better and longer. It also makes the edge thicker and better able to withstand the daily handling to which it is subject. And, of course, like a binding, it dresses up the hat and adds a note of distinction. Fundamentally a welt edge is simply part of the brim turned on itself and so fixed as to stay in place. The turned back part may be either on top of the brim, in which case it is called an overwelt,or it may me on the underside of the brim, when it is termed an underwelt.
There are numerous kinds of welts. Some of the principal varieties are: the oridnary welt, the hand felted, the imitation hand felted. the balloon welt, the bound and the partly bound welts, the shallow edge, the stitched welt, and the two-tone welt"
Except fo the hand felted welt, all welt edges are formed by approximately the same production steps. First the hat brim is curled, then a zinc plate of the proper dimensions is laid on the brim and the curled edge is turned back and ironed flat over the upper side of the plate to get the exact welt shape desired. The welt then must be stitched down, following which the surplus fur extending beyond the stitching is cut off using a rounding jack.."
(Knowing Your Trimmings - Hat Life, 1983)
Where in the world did you get that information? Is Hat Life a book or periodical? I'm impressed.
Andykev
12-10-2003, 04:59 PM
A trade industry directory.
The phone rang.
The voice in my ear said it was shipping out today and that he was sending it fast. He said I would have it tomorrow.....then the phone went dead.
I wasn't getting too excited just yet. A lot of things could happen between Chicago and LA. There were several guys wanting to get their hands on this one. I hoped that the guy bringing it had a rod.
Now all I had to do was lay low. It should have been easy....but waiting is like little slices of death.
Tracking says it will be to me by noon.:D :D :D
They have updated it to be here by 10:30. :eek: :clap :clap
Me? Excited?
Come on!
Never!
Well....maybe just a little bit.;)
Well.....All that excitement just to be disapointed. It is a good, well made hat.......but not the one I ordered. I wanted the Bogie hat from The Maltese Falcon. This is not it. Take a look:
http://home.earthlink.net/~suborder/images/pewter_bogie_front.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~suborder/images/pewter_side.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~suborder/images/pewter_bogie_side.jpg
I had lunch with Rundquist and he agreed that it would never be the hat I wanted....but he felt the fedora looked good on me. The crown is too tapered. He thinks that Optimo could do it with a light weight felt. I think he is right. The problem is most of their felts are very dark and on the cool side. I favor warmer tones and don't like hats on me that look almost black.
I don't know if there is a felt I want to try but this one is going back regardless. :cry: :cry: :cry:
On a happier note....I just got this on E-bay for $16.50!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2875509474
BD Jones
12-13-2003, 07:01 PM
Sorry to hear (and see) your disappointment. I know how you feel. During the summer, I placed an order for a custom-made hat (not one of our normal vendors) and it was NOTHING like I wanted. I sent pictures, detailed specs, and diagrams and the only thing they got right was the color. For a month, I waited with anticipation for it to arrive, only to be heart broken. That?｢どｨび｢s when I decided to stick with Joe Jr. as my hatter.
Good job with the EBay hat.
It IS a hard thing. Optimo is a good hatter......as well as Joe.
Each has their strengths. I will get my Bogie hat in the end.
Andykev
12-13-2003, 08:39 PM
A STINGY BRIM>>>>NO NO NO
Hey the Optimo has light gray colors...you should check them out. My mouse gray is great!@ and I sent a photo....love it. Sorry about the hat, but I agree the crown sucks....not the correct shape.
Sorry for you MK.
But I think you made the right decission in sending it back, as you'd get disappointed any time you'd look into the mirror with it, if you keep it. Better being disappointed once for all.
Good luck on your hunt.
Regards,
Marc
Renderking Fisk
12-14-2003, 04:46 AM
Sorry, MK... but that's just not the lid. I think you should send it back with those pictures.
Matt Deckard
12-14-2003, 11:06 AM
How about sending it back with one of my 1940's Borsalinos.
The one thing I have not seen from optimo yet is a good 1930's style block. very straight up on the sides and no taper front or back when blocked.
I sent my LaSalle grey back in with a diagram showing them the difference between their indy block and a true 30's block. They said they would copy my borsalino crown. we'll see what happens.
Sorry to hear about your new hat having a tapered almost 60's style crown.
Here are the borsys if you want to borrow one to send to optimo please give me a call. I am sure they will remake the hat.
I have teardropped them both before and they look just like the bogey hat when shaped
http://images3.fotki.com/v37/photos/8/83243/352419/BrBorside-vi.jpg
http://images3.fotki.com/v36/photos/8/83243/352419/brborsnap-vi.jpg
http://images3.fotki.com/v37/photos/8/83243/352419/grborside-vi.jpg http://images3.fotki.com/v37/photos/8/83243/352419/grborsnap-vi.jpg
Matt Deckard
12-15-2003, 05:38 AM
Hate to burst any bubble, but I think that ebay hat looks just like a grey blues brothers hat. You'll see what I mean when you get it.
Cavenaugh from the 60's cannot compete with cavenaugh from the 30's in felt or design, at least from what I have seen.
http://i6.ebayimg.com/01/i/01/05/30/b9_1.JPG
Perhaps.....but for $16 I am willing to take a look.
That is less than the shipping on my Optimo.
Rundquist
12-15-2003, 02:23 PM
The shape of the block in this case has not much to do with the look of the finished hat. MK got the hat in a heavyweight felt. That has everything to do with the end result. Heavyweight felts are good for some styles and not so good for others. It's vise versa with lightweight felts. In this case, I would doubt that a different block would make much difference. The only way to recreate the Bogey hat is in a thinner more pliable type of felt. I had my doubts as to whether it would be possible to pull off an exact copy of a Bogey style in a heavyweight felt. On the other hand, I just got my first Optimo heavy weight fedora and I must say that it's a beauty. I'm extremely happy with it. I'll post pics as soon as I can. Cheers
PS- Dan (Captain Yosarian) had his vintage Borsalino restyled by Optimo and it looks exactly like a Bogey. He should take some pics and put them up.
Andykev
12-15-2003, 04:39 PM
Your take on the hat is confusing. IF the hat is a "stingy brim" you are stuck with it, not matter what the weight of the felt is.
A Bogart style hat is very close to the 1940 's Borsalino which is believe was his hat in "the Big Sleep"
A 40's hat will have at least a 2 1/2 brim with a bound or welted edge. The crown will be slightly tapered...and the felt will be very soft.....
UPDATE:
I spoke with Kevin. They got my hat back and sold it Christmas eve to another guy. He said when Graham gets back from Austrailia he is going to make me a new hat the way I want. Surprisingly he is going to use another heavyweight pewter.....but he is going to start with a larger size.
I want to talk with him before he starts it though. I would hate for him to waste a felt body if he can't make the crown I want.
Brad Bowers
01-11-2004, 08:36 AM
Hope you get the hat you want this time, MK.
Why are they so set on using a heavyweight felt? I'd like to see more hatmakers using the lighter weight felts. I have a Stetson I bought before the Paramount licensing, and the felt is thin and beautiful, best hat I own. Sadly, it's a 7 1/4, and mine head is now a 7 1/2. Nothing I've bought since then has matched up in quality, even other Stetsons.
Brad Bowers
Before I wasn't as interested in the lightweights because the Indy style they make is too floppy for my liking, so I thought a heavyweight might be more to my taste.
Now I have rethought this choice and am considering a lightweight. The Indy brim is about three inches, but the hat I want then to make is more like two and a half. Also it is a welted brim which gives it strength.
I plan on speaking to Graham.........and I am willing to try the lightweight.
Matt Deckard
01-13-2004, 05:40 AM
I have seen plenty of hats with the Bogey untapered crown style in heavyweight felts and do not believe that you "need" a light weight to recreate the look.
MK, you saw my 20,s Borsalino a week or so ago, that is a heavyweight.
I had a long discussion with Graham before he left and he explained that they can make the stovepipe style crown using their 30's block with little to no taper and a larger felt body (as you said) and the hat will look right. CONJECTURE--I think the problem lies with Optimo getting in felt bodies that are smaller than the ones companies used in the 30's, this is why they have to use a bigger head sized felt body and shrink it down to look right for a heavyweight.
Heavy or lightweight, I think they can make it look right.
Michael Mallory
01-13-2004, 07:28 AM
Well...the band looks right. Maybe we should all pool our resources and remake "The Maltese Falcon," only call it "The Maltese Fedora," and instead of a jewel encrusted bird, everyone's hunting for Bogie's hat. (Maybe Lauren Bacall's home phone number is etched on the sweatband.)
Nathan Flowers
01-13-2004, 11:32 AM
I may be wrong, but I think this is a picture of Dan's vintage Borsalino styled by Optimo. I think it looks very Bogie.
http://images4.fotki.com/v38/photos/4/42201/395498/P1010124-vi.jpg
Andykev
01-13-2004, 02:13 PM
It kinda looks like an Optimo to me! I assume not a vintage Borsalino? Or did Optimo bind the edge as well as reblock? Most of the modern Borsalino's that I have seen are raw edged.
Brad Bowers
01-13-2004, 02:17 PM
I did order one of Lee's new Bogie hats, in the darker gray. It will have the larger ribbon, a stitched underwelt, and come open crown, to which Lee will apply a "Falcon" hand bash.
Since others will probably want to see it, I will post photos when I receive it. It may be months from now. At least, with Lee's hats, we have another option.
Brad Bowers
Matt Deckard
01-13-2004, 02:20 PM
It kinda looks like an Optimo to me! I assume not a vintage Borsalino? Or did Optimo bind the edge as well as reblock? Most of the modern Borsalino's that I have seen are raw edged.
I believe the hat was a bound edge vintage Borsalino that was sent in to be reblocked. The brim was cut and rebound as well per Dan's request..
I have seen a few vintage Borsalinos with bound edges.
Andykev
01-13-2004, 03:36 PM
I have a 40's vintage Borsalino with a beautiful bound edge. But being an "optimo" frequent flyer (hahahha) I recognized the binding as Marlene's. (from Optimo)
Michael Mallory
01-13-2004, 03:40 PM
I have a non-vintage Barbisio (by way of Cervo) that has a whip-stiched edge. Does Borsalino also do this?
fedoralover
01-13-2004, 05:23 PM
That is a nice hat, but to be honest comparing it with MKs pics it looks too tapered to me. Or am I looking at it cross-eyed.
fedoralover
Rundquist
01-14-2004, 11:09 AM
That picture doesn?｢どｨび｢t do the hat justice. I?｢どｨび｢ll probably see Dan next week. I?｢どｨび｢ll try to get a shot of the hat on his head. Cheers
Bogie1943
01-14-2004, 05:37 PM
. . . MK was right, this hat was a little fishy, not quit right in some little way. Maybe his quest will never end, not like others have in the past. Having found "the stuff that dreams are made of" and that certain golden statuette, a new quest has began. He will search and wonder far beyond what he knows of right and wrong, maybe to a satisfying conclusion. We the spectators in this quest for the one true possession he seeks, must wait another day. For one day MK will find what his soul has been wondering in the search of. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life . . .the quest continues . . .:cool2:
Today it arrived.
The box just sat there on my desk......waiting.
It couldn't be ignored.....but that was excatly what I felt like doing....but there it sat starring at me.
I didn't want to open it and see what I knew would be inside. A hat.....even a good hat. A brand new, well made hat....that wasn't going to be what I wanted.
It couldn't be.
I had spoken to Graham......and he wasn't very reassuring:
Well, I made the hat. It looks pretty close. If this is not close enough, then I probably can't make it.
The last time he said it was perfect....and it was off by a mile. What was it going to look like when he says it is "pretty close"?
I was going to be stuck with it. The best thing to do is just not open it.
It was a battle of the wills between the box and me.
The box won.
After using my ATF approved box cutter to open the outer white postal service box, I found the black box. I carefully lifted the lid. It was like opening the Ark. You hoped it was wonderful....but you feared that something dreadful was inside.
After all the dry ice fog cleared......there was my hat. I gently removed it from it's snug cave........
,,,,and it looked great! How can this be? I looked at it from all sides. Sure it didn't have that front & back reverse taper....but I didn't expect them to achieve that. Never the less it was very cool.
The felt seemed so much softer than the previous one. what did he do to get it so much softer? Hmmmm.......
I rang Graham up and told heim what a great job he did on the hat. I also asked hin about the felt. It was graphite....which IS a light weight.
I had called Kevin before I left for England and told him that they could make it in a light weight if that is what it took to get it right. He said that wouldn't make a difference and that Graham had already started on another pewter body.
Graham and Kevin definately have different opinions regarding this matter.
Graham said that to make the kind of crowns that I like he needs to use a light weight....and that now that he has made this one, he can reproduce it with no problem.
So here it is:
http://www.thegoldenera.net/images/hats/Optimo/MK_graphite1.jpg
http://www.thegoldenera.net/images/hats/Optimo/MK_graphite2.jpg
I love the color. It looks great. Who knows? It might end up being my favorite.;)
I have my Bogart hat. :D
Kwebs
02-09-2004, 03:58 PM
That hat is great! Not much else needs to be said.
Dave
Nathan Flowers
02-09-2004, 04:33 PM
Now that is very nice!
What color are the sweatband and liner? Also, is that an under or an over welt?
I'm glad you got what you wanted, MK.
Andykev
02-09-2004, 05:01 PM
Graphite gray? I posted a photo of me in the rain wearing that on the optimo page. It is one of my favorite colors.
THe edge looks like a nice clean bound endge.
I am so happy for you. Good choice!!
Optimo has a reputation of making you, the "customer" happy.
ENJOY!!
Originally posted by Zohar
Now that is very nice!
What color are the sweatband and liner? Also, is that an under or an over welt?
I'm glad you got what you wanted, MK.
Thanks. The sweatband is black and the liner is white. The brim edge is an under welt. It really helps woth these light weights to have a shorter brim and the welt. It makes the brim much more managable than the large raw tortilla brims.
I am really happy with the color. The contrast with the black ribbon is ideal for a Bogart hat. I have to say it is probably a better color than the Pewter would have been.
I am really pleased. Looking in the mirror makes me feel like my name should be etched in glass on my office door and speaking with a New York accent.
When you're slapped, you'll take it and like it..
This case is closed.......with a happy ending.
I think it might be time for a new avatar. :cool:
havershaw
02-09-2004, 10:36 PM
Wow! Really nice one you've got there, MK.
Matt Deckard
02-10-2004, 06:34 AM
I think if you block it a little lower like the Maltese Falcon hat you can get your reverse taper.
The hat looks perfect, I want to see it on your head!
How about a meet at the pub this Friday to show off our new goods and take some photos?
http://www.thegoldenera.net/images/hats/Bogart/Spade3.jpghttp://www.thegoldenera.net/images/hats/Optimo/MK_graphite1.jpg
Bogie1943
02-10-2004, 12:11 PM
MK, I have to say the new lid looks great, a wonderful example of a real hat. Very Bogie-esc to say the least. I have a vintage numbe that is due for a trip to Optimo, for a new sweatband and maybe a Bogie make-over, I am telling you, this lid screems Maltese Falcon.
PrettyBigGuy
02-10-2004, 04:13 PM
Look's Great MK! Too bad it didn't arrive on Saturday when we all could have seen it. You need to post a pic with it on you noggin though.
PBG
fedoralover
02-10-2004, 05:15 PM
Actually I think it looks better than Bogie's hat. If he were still alive today he would probably trade his in for one like it. How did you bash the crown, with a center dent or did you do the 30s crown crunch to it. I don't know what else you'd call that style of bash they did then, but I think you know what I mean.
fedoralover
Nathan Flowers
02-10-2004, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by fedoralover
Actually I think it looks better than Bogie's hat. If he were still alive today he would probably trade his in for one like it. How did you bash the crown, with a center dent or did you do the 30s crown crunch to it. I don't know what else you'd call that style of bash they did then, but I think you know what I mean.
fedoralover
It's called a C-Dent, and yes, I think it looks better than Bogie's as well.
Rundquist
02-11-2004, 11:05 AM
I'm sure that the head shots are coming soon, Right?
Matt Deckard
02-11-2004, 12:37 PM
I think he wants to take more dramatic shots.
I hope he shows them soon, the hat is spectacular.
Sergei
02-11-2004, 01:21 PM
This is better:
http://images5.fotki.com/v59/photos/2/27947/689059/Spade3-vi.jpghttp://www.thegoldenera.net/images/hats/Optimo/MK_graphite1.jpg
At least you can compare the profiles in the same angle.
Nice lid there, MK. I'm glad Optimo nailed this time and for the rest of us. Hopeful Graham took good notes.
-Sergei
It looks like a Bogie hat to me. ;)
havershaw
02-11-2004, 08:53 PM
What a great photo!
A great hat, and it suits you very well.
My first Optimo may not be an Indy, after all...
Matt Deckard
02-12-2004, 05:06 AM
come on show 'em the profile shots of it on your head.
That'll give a better idea of how close the hat is to the real thing.
Pen Collector
02-12-2004, 07:25 AM
MK,
Where was the picture taken? Looks like an old building from the looks of the door.
I knew OPTIMO would come through again a satisfy another customer.
The hat and the photo look great!
As requested:
http://www.thegoldenera.net/images/hats/Optimo/MK_Graphite_3.jpg
As for the other picture.....it was taken in Sam Spade's office.
I did that photo on my home computer. It looks too dark on my big computer at the office. This is what it is supposed to look like....at least on my computer:
http://www.thegoldenera.net/images/misc/MK_shamus2.jpg
Nathan Flowers
02-12-2004, 07:54 AM
MK, that lid is perfect. It is the best Bogie hat that I have seen a new hatter make today.
Three cheers for Graham, and for your persistence.
Matt Deckard
02-12-2004, 07:56 AM
The underwelt works great too. Makes the brim more stout.
I think it's your best looking hat, it suits you.
Bogie1943
02-12-2004, 08:06 AM
MK, the new lid looks incredible, outstanding. I love the photos you have there, nice job with those. I wonder where were you when you took those pics, is that an actually office or did you do some green screening and key that in?:cool2:
Thanks for the kind words guys.
That is Spade's office. It is a screen grab form the DVD. I just through it together last night at home. I shot it with my little point and shoot and slammed it into the photo. It turned out better than some of the photos I have labored over.
I really like the look of the 2 1/2 brim on me. The proportion is perfect with this crown. The color is perfect too.
This one is a winner. :D :cool:
Bogie1943
02-12-2004, 12:00 PM
Well, once again I have to say you did a fine job with that, looks very real. I am trying to find a door for my home office, something similar to those classic office doors, and yes I want it to say Samuel Spade ect. I think it would just look awsome and give a really vintage feel to my room.:cool2:
That's it! Dead on! Congrat with not only a mighty fine looking hat, but also the way it looks on you MK. It really suits you face.
You must be a happy camper.
If that picture you made would be a teaser pic for a new movie in cinema, I couldn't wait to see it.
Regards,
Marc
Now THAT'S a compliment. Thanks guys.
I am in the celebration stage of this hat, but right now it is my favorite hat. I think I do like this size brim better than the larger Indy style....or maybe it is just something new. At any rate it is very cool. I am trying to get used to this thin soft felt. I am used to hats with more body....but for this hat I think thin is what was needed.
Pen Collector
02-13-2004, 09:45 AM
MK said: "I really like the look of the 2 1/2 brim on me. The proportion is perfect with this crown."
So what is the height of the crown? Or did you already mention this somewhere else?
I agree regarding the softness of the felt. My Graphite Gray is going to take some getting used to also.
Andykev
02-13-2004, 07:50 PM
You have proved something I have believed and experienced, and why I have mostly abandoned COW. Indy looks great, and so does his hat. But YOU or ME may , may, look very silly in it. You have found the proper "balance" and quality of vintage appearance. This is when they say "it works".
And, my friend, it does.
Good Job!
Sergei
02-13-2004, 10:05 PM
Don't be too harsh on COW. First of all, it was and still is the movie that has kept the torch lit for the fedora wearing, adventure loving crowd. For a lot of guys, it was their first introduction into fedora's. Remember that there is still a lot to contribute over there at COW to the members that want to start branching out beyond the Indy fedora. The two can co-exist.
Just my opinion...
-Sergei
Andykev
02-14-2004, 06:45 PM
And I didn't say that I dumped COW. I love those guys! I just split 80% here and 20% there.....no disrespect.
If this site wasn't here, then COW would be my full time game. There are some great folks over there, and most here came from there first. DUH>
SO please don't take my comment poorly. I just meant that the newer people will undoubtedly make errors in buying what they think they want, find what they know they want, and then buy what looks good on them. Why can't it be one in the same.
My hat is off to you, Sergi!!;)
It is for sale. May the best man win.
Boris K
12-23-2007, 08:19 AM
My entry into the Sam Spade fedora category:
http://home.fuse.net/lauramark/fedora/Gus_4_sm.jpg
More information is in this thread. (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?t=26106)
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