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The Shooman
02-21-2008, 08:41 AM
Who has gunboats? (Gunboats = large double sole shoo-monsters with very broad 360 degree welting)

Do you like gunboats or dislike them?

What gunboats do you have gentlemen?



l've been a huge fan of gunboats since l was a kid of about 3. l was purchasing big monsters with 360 welting from my mid teens. My love of gunboats has never left me. Many good memories with my gunboat-monsters.

l'm willing to bet Mr Pollock has the biggest gunboat collection around. He's a huge fan of the gunboat and his total shoo collection now is over 220 pairs (probably alot more now) of top quality goodyear constructed shoos. He has plenty of Alden and Church's too.

Feel free to post top notch gunboat pics too....pics of your favourite gunboats.





Regards: your Shooman

The Shooman
02-21-2008, 08:42 AM
l notice Trickers does all their biggest gunboats (St James Collection) with a wider stitch [than normal] along the welt. ls this as secure as the single sole Trickers with closer stitching?? Something really bothers me about the big Trickers gunboats l own......


Gunboats are not just double sole shoes. They are exactly how l described in my original post. Double sole must be verging on the very thick side.


l can't even recall any norvegese constructed double sole monsters even being true gunboats. Maybe i'm wrong?

pablocham
02-21-2008, 08:56 AM
I have always loved Gunboats, but never heard that term before. My grandfather wore them all his life. I have two pair of giant Florsheim Imperial wingtips from the 60s-70s that are exactly like his. I don't wear them too often because they are so giant and heavy, but whenever I find a pair in my size at a thrift store I can't help but buy them.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i309/pablocham/47b8dc34b3127cceb54d7f5f46e20000002.jpg

The Shooman
02-21-2008, 09:05 AM
Wow wee, my favourite type of gunboat. Always had a love for the longwing gunboats. Amazing!!!

pablocham
02-21-2008, 09:10 AM
I may be wrong to think of them this way, but in my mind they are closely associated with WWII vets in the fifties, sixties and seventies. In my imagination these are what Ike, Johnson, and Nixon wore, though I have no idea if they actually did.

Dr Doran
02-21-2008, 09:51 AM
I wear Florsheim Imperial Long Wing Kenmoor wingtips and I love them. Heavy, thick shoes with heavy, thick soles and, yes, welting all around. I can barely wear dress shoes with thin soles and don't like them much. To me this is the ideal shoe: the details of the wing tip but so sturdy it'll never give out. That sole will last as long as I do. They remind me of combat boots I wore in the 1980s and steeltoe shoes I wore in the 1990s. They cost me $228 on zappos and I could not be more pleased. I took a part time job (well, I picked up a few shifts for a week at the grocery store where I used to work) solely to buy them last Spring.

My favorite association for these shoes comes from a column I read in Chronicle of Higher Education called "Remembering the Old Lions" which described the men who had been GIs in WW2 and came back, finished PhDs on the GI Bill (great deal!) and then taught as professors, the most democratic bunch of professors in US history of the widest original income range ever (since the GI Bill paid for their education!) as well as a wider range of ethnic backgrounds then ever before in the US professoriate.

The author of the article remembered them from his youth in the 1970s: they were stern, oldish men, wearing black suits and "highly polished, black wingtips that looked like they weighed 5 pounds each. I imagined the shoes were all made by the same cobbler to whom the professors were referred after earning tenure." They were demanding professors and were considered conservative by their students but this is because after being in the war, they knew how fragile civilization actually was ... so this is the association I keep for this kind of heavy welted shoe.

If you can access it, here it is:

http://chronicle.com/weekly/v50/i30/30c00201.htm

Big Man
02-21-2008, 10:08 AM
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b298/Burke1777/DSC02235.jpg

Here are my 14 1/2 EEE wingtips. Do they count as "gunboats" (or maybe "battleships")? :D I like substantial shoes. I have several pair of these in black, brown, and cordovan that I wear every day to work.

The Shooman
02-24-2008, 08:16 AM
Awesome `gunboats' gentlemen. Very good stuff indeed!

l've got some `gunboats' too. No way near enough, but i've got these anyway:

* AE shell cordovan burgundy wingtip.
* Johnny Moke black plaintoe blucher
* Trickers tan wingtip (huge)
* Trickers tan split toe (very very huge) :)
* Santoni Handmade black wingtip
* Black Jeffery West chelsea boot.
* A few old Florshiems.

l've got heaps of double soled shoes, but those above are the true gunboats. Gunboats MUST have their soles stitched.

lf l could get another 2 from Trickers (St James Collection) and another 4 from Dinkelacker, then l would consider my gunboat collection relectantly complete. Sure i'd like a few Aldens and many J.M.Westerns, but unfortunately l don't know my size. l'd be reluctantly satisfied with 15 gunboats. :mad:

univibe88
02-24-2008, 09:29 AM
* AE shell cordovan burgundy wingtip.


I've got some of these - "MacNeils"

I love 'em!

Jeff Naylor
02-24-2008, 09:51 AM
Alden longwings in whiskey and #8, waiting not so patiently until November hoping for another pair in cigar. Fantastic stuff.

indycop
02-24-2008, 12:58 PM
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b298/Burke1777/DSC02235.jpg

Here are my 14 1/2 EEE wingtips. Do they count as "gunboats" (or maybe "battleships")? :D I like substantial shoes. I have several pair of these in black, brown, and cordovan that I wear every day to work.
You know who the bossman is from this pic!lol lol

Brinybay
02-24-2008, 01:02 PM
"Wingtips" to us Yanks. I love them, although I don't own a pair. Elegant and stylish.

Big Man
02-24-2008, 01:07 PM
You know who the bossman is from this pic!lol lol

And they better not forget it ! ;)

kschurch
02-24-2008, 01:50 PM
I love "gunboats"! I have 4 pairs of Allen Edmonds "McNeils". Two in black and two in brown. One of the brown pairs I had resoled into golf shoes.

They look great with suits and jeans as well.

The Shooman
03-12-2008, 08:51 AM
Here is an older pair of Church's gunboats:

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/7475/c5amj7.jpghttp://img399.imageshack.us/img399/4016/c5bpn4.jpghttp://img399.imageshack.us/img399/9310/c5cfb3.jpg[/quote]
Totally amazing `gunboats' Tony. Simply awesome. http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b151/Marc_au/Ron1/Aportneyface-1.gif

Here are some of mine:

Allen Edmonds shell cordovan (Cambridge model).
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b151/Marc_au/Ron1/PIC_0008-6.jpg

Trickers St James collection.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b151/Marc_au/Ron1/PIC_0007-1.jpg

Trickers St James colection.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b151/Marc_au/Ron1/PIC_0006-2.jpg

Jeffery West.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b151/Marc_au/Ron1/PIC_0004-3.jpg

Santoni Handmade brogues.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b151/Marc_au/Ron1/PIC_0003-3.jpg

Johnny Moke (London).
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b151/Marc_au/Ron1/PIC_0002-2.jpg

Santoni Handmade brogues.
Eventhough the stitching doesn't go 360 degrees, it still has a 360 degree welt.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b151/Marc_au/Ron1/PIC_0001-3.jpg




l've got a couple of duplicates of the pairs above. l've also got a couple of `gunboats' in the shed (they are covered in dust and have spiders living in them. They will be worn [again] one day). l've also got a pair in my car boot in case l unexpectedly go to the beach.

l reckon Mr Pollock would have at least 50 `gunboats'. He's a lucky guy.

imoldfashioned
03-12-2008, 08:54 AM
You know who the bossman is from this pic!lol lol

Too true! Is that your office Big Man? I love the furniture and the pictures (and the shoes, of course!).

Big Man
03-12-2008, 09:05 AM
Too true! Is that your office Big Man? I love the furniture and the pictures (and the shoes, of course!).

Thanks.

Yes, that's my office. I've tried to collect a lot of the hospital's old photos and antiques to keep them safe. My desk is the same desk the first Superintendent of the hospital had when we opened our doors in 1877 (and I've got a picture to back it up).

The Shooman
03-15-2008, 06:06 AM
A new pair of huge monsters. That's why l like Trickers (St James collection). They do the monsters the best!

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b151/Marc_au/Ron1/PIC_0010-3.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b151/Marc_au/Ron1/PIC_0009-5.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b151/Marc_au/Ron1/PIC_0013-5.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b151/Marc_au/Ron1/PIC_0012-4.jpg


Regards chaps: your Shooman.

Steve Smith
03-18-2008, 06:20 PM
I have two pairs of vintage Florsheim longwings (tan and black) and one pair of cordovan colored Knapp steel-toed longwings. These are my favorite shoes.

Orgetorix
03-18-2008, 07:45 PM
Haven't had time to take a better picture yet, but I recently picked up these older Florsheim shell cordovan longwings on OFAS:

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q163/jccavanaugh/florsheimlongwings.jpg

cookie
03-19-2008, 05:25 AM
Awesome `gunboats' gentlemen. Very good stuff indeed!

l've got some `gunboats' too. No way near enough, but i've got these anyway:

* AE shell cordovan burgundy wingtip.
* Johnny Moke black plaintoe blucher
* Trickers tan wingtip (huge)
* Trickers tan split toe (very very huge) :)
* Santoni Handmade black wingtip
* Black Jeffery West chelsea boot.
* A few old Florshiems.

l've got heaps of double soled shoes, but those above are the true gunboats. Gunboats MUST have their soles stitched.

lf l could get another 2 from Trickers (St James Collection) and another 4 from Dinkelacker, then l would consider my gunboat collection relectantly complete. Sure i'd like a few Aldens and many J.M.Westerns, but unfortunately l don't know my size. l'd be reluctantly satisfied with 15 gunboats. :mad:


Generally gunboats can confuse because of the wide welt. Hence they may be 4.5 inches but actually 4.25 normal US D width. Thus buying them on eBay can be difficult. I had a pair of NOS Shell Nettletons that were simply too big to handle and I sent them to a guy in Germany to sell for me and the Australiapost lost 'em (AUD250 but probably worth AUD450). Generally the gunboats are a US width size wider than the actual tagged size IMHO.

The Shooman
03-19-2008, 07:54 AM
Haven't had time to take a better picture yet, but I recently picked up these older Florsheim shell cordovan longwings on OFAS:



Wow wee. lncredible stuff!

Highlander
03-22-2008, 10:40 AM
While I am not a "Gunboat" or wingtip guy, I like the fact that wing tip guys are wing tip guys, and penny loafer guys are penny loafer guys and saddle oxford guys(that's me) are saddle oxford guys.

While I have pinch buckle loafers and others, I always gravitate back to my saddle oxfords.

Keep wearin' those gunboats. They look good on you...

AlanC
03-22-2008, 12:30 PM
...I like the fact that wing tip guys are wing tip guys, and penny loafer guys are penny loafer guys and saddle oxford guys(that's me) are saddle oxford guys....

Is it okay if I own and wear all three?

HungaryTom
03-22-2008, 01:19 PM
I am a tall and big guy and love gunboats.
Vass Cordovan Budapester
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb98/HungaryTom/Shoes/12VassLaszloCordovanoxbloodBudapest.jpg
Vass the Cognac Budapester
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb98/HungaryTom/Shoes/10VassLaszloKonyakcsauBudapest20-3.jpg
Kovacs Jozsef-Meisterst?ēck Mahogany Cordovan Longwing
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb98/HungaryTom/Shoes/25KovacsJozsefLiverpoolcordovancogn.jpg
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb98/HungaryTom/Shoes/25KovacsJozsefLiverpoolcordovanc-1.jpg
Kovacs Jozsef - Debrecen - Budapester in Black Cordovan
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb98/HungaryTom/Shoes/22KovacsJozsefBudapestblackcordo-1.jpg
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb98/HungaryTom/Shoes/22KovacsJozsefBudapestblackcordovan.jpg
Heinrich Dinkelacker-Rio triple sole
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb98/HungaryTom/Shoes/02HeinrichDinckelackerBudapestRio20.jpg

pablocham
03-22-2008, 05:56 PM
Those are incredible. Were those custom made for you?

Highlander
03-22-2008, 06:17 PM
Alan, NO, you can't wear all three :) Well, not at the same time anyway... :)

HungaryTom
03-22-2008, 08:50 PM
Those are incredible. Were those custom made for you?

Pablo, The Vass shoes were 'off the rack' and I could lay my hands on the Dinklelacker when it was phased out at a 50% discount from the Salamander shoeshop in downtown Budapest during 2004/2005. Now nobody can buy Dinkelacker in Budapest where they are made - utterly distasteful move of the new owner group IMHO.

I went to visit Dinkelacker factory in the southwest outskirts of Budapest but they did not give me a tour just throw me out in a polite manner - I saw their samples.

Than I got help from a befriended shoemaker, who told me the phone of Mr. Kovacs Jozsef.

The Kovacs Kozsef shoes -he produces the Dinkelacker 'Meisterstück' (i.e. Masterpiece) series were custom made for me. He did measure my feet in the most adventurous way. The shoes went for 50% of the Dinkelacker retail price. You see my initials on the sole of the Mahogany longwing for that reason.

And yes I also did apply the method of Doran to obtain them - I did work extra to get those extra shoes.

Location, location, location and the networking power of good connections.


Regards:

Tom

Marty M.
03-23-2008, 08:38 AM
Beautiful shoes Gentlemen. Hungary Tom, those Cognac Budapester are outstanding. Bravo. I own a few pairs of Guns myself. Must try to snap a couple of pics.
Marty Mathis

galopede
03-30-2008, 03:11 PM
My kind of thread. I keep buying more of these "gunboats" as you call them.

I go for the Northampton shoemakers Country Brogues as they are called over here. They are the very substantial Heavy Brogue shoes. I have several pairs at the moment but don't know the style names of most of them. Also, most of them have commando soles but are all sewn and have the large welts.

Trickers - my favourite brogues
Cheaney Neath, a plain shoes rather than brogue, love them.
Alfred Sergeant brogues, good but not as heavy as the Trickers
Cheaney brogues, very nice, leather soles
a pair of unknown make black brogues I wear when playing my squeezbox for the morris, leather soles

Still looking for more!

Gareth

rjbaal
04-01-2008, 08:04 PM
I have been looking at the popular manufacturers and no on seems to make to make a longwing style in brown anymore.

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance

rjbaal

Cracker
05-14-2008, 04:30 PM
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b298/Burke1777/DSC02235.jpg

Here are my 14 1/2 EEE wingtips. Do they count as "gunboats" (or maybe "battleships")? :D I like substantial shoes. I have several pair of these in black, brown, and cordovan that I wear every day to work.

Hey Big Man, what brand are those? They look mighty comfy. I wear a size 14 (narrow), and have trouble finding shoes that not only fit but are also comfortable.

Gaige
05-14-2008, 05:52 PM
I cannot get enough of wingtips. I've loved them since I was a child and I still find them addicting.

Forgive me for possibly asking a silly question, but are "gunboats", "brogues" and "wingtips" all the same style shoe, essentially? It's only been since joining this site that I've ever known they were referred to as anything else.

Teacher
05-15-2008, 08:17 PM
Yes, no, and sort of. "Wingtip" is the basic style: any shoe -- blucher or balmoral -- that has that typical toe styling. "Brogue" actually refers to the perforations, and traditionally a wingtip with perforations is called a "full brogue" (a cap toe with perforations is a "semi-brogue). Therefore, a wingtip can have no perforations and is still a wingtip but not a full-brogue. The term "gunboat" is not really a term used in the shoe trade; instead, it's sort of shoe-geek slang for a longwing blucher with a double sole. A longwing is just about every shoe on this thread: where the piece of leather that is cut for the toe detail extends all the way around to the heel.

Dr Doran
05-15-2008, 09:29 PM
Yes, no, and sort of. "Wingtip" is the basic style: any shoe -- blucher or balmoral -- that has that typical toe styling. "Brogue" actually refers to the perforations, and traditionally a wingtip with perforations is called a "full brogue" (a cap toe with perforations is a "semi-brogue). Therefore, a wingtip can have no perforations and is still a wingtip but not a full-brogue. The term "gunboat" is not really a term used in the shoe trade; instead, it's sort of shoe-geek slang for a longwing blucher with a double sole. A longwing is just about every shoe on this thread: where the piece of leather that is cut for the toe detail extends all the way around to the heel.

With big fat welting, too, right? If I understand properly.

Teacher
05-15-2008, 10:10 PM
With big fat welting, too, right? If I understand properly.

Typically, but not necessarily.

Gaige
05-17-2008, 04:27 AM
Great info... thank you.

Teacher
05-17-2008, 10:56 PM
Not a prob, Bob.

KY Gentleman
05-29-2008, 09:35 PM
I shined mine up last week-end for a wedding, I never called them "gun boats" before but I've always had 'em. I forgot how comfortable they were!

Woodfluter
05-30-2008, 02:41 AM
Yes, no, and sort of. "Wingtip" is the basic style: any shoe -- blucher or balmoral -- that has that typical toe styling. "Brogue" actually refers to the perforations, and traditionally a wingtip with perforations is called a "full brogue" (a cap toe with perforations is a "semi-brogue). Therefore, a wingtip can have no perforations and is still a wingtip but not a full-brogue. The term "gunboat" is not really a term used in the shoe trade; instead, it's sort of shoe-geek slang for a longwing blucher with a double sole. A longwing is just about every shoe on this thread: where the piece of leather that is cut for the toe detail extends all the way around to the heel.

Thanks Teacher! Now I know what my favorite kind of everyday dress shoe is to be called: a cordovan longwing full brogue with wide welt and thick soles (gunboat!) I always just called them wingtips before.

- Bill

The Shooman
05-31-2008, 10:18 AM
l'm very jealous Hungary Tom. :p

celtic
10-21-2008, 10:54 AM
can anyone comment on the Florshiem longwing sizing?

i have never owned a pair of Florshiems, and when I stopped at a local DSW I tried on every pair of Florsheims they had...and it seemed that there is a wide variety of lasts they use...for instance, their modern wingtips felt perfect, but I could barely get my feet into their boots or loafers of the same size.

and of course they don't carry the Imperial Kenmoor, so I couldn't try any on...

I'd love to keep my eyes open for a cheap older pair on ebay, but I have no idea how they fit...

I looked at the zappos reviews, but I have been stung before believing what I read there..I'd much rather hear from you blokes.
any help would be great!

WildCelt
02-11-2009, 05:09 PM
I have always loved Gunboats, but never heard that term before. My grandfather wore them all his life. I have two pair of giant Florsheim Imperial wingtips from the 60s-70s that are exactly like his. I don't wear them too often because they are so giant and heavy, but whenever I find a pair in my size at a thrift store I can't help but buy them.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i309/pablocham/47b8dc34b3127cceb54d7f5f46e20000002.jpg

Pablo, I think I just bought your shoes. I stopped by my friendly neighborhood thrift store on the way home from work today and found a pair of burgundy Florsheim Imperial gunboats that look just like those you posted (well, a little less polished and with flat laces). My other burgundy brogues cramp my toes something awful and my feet hurt by the end of the day, so I've been on the lookout for a new pair. I think I'm going to like these.

David Conwill
02-11-2009, 05:36 PM
I had a pair of these in high school, but they were cordovan and I had nothing with which to wear them. I think I'll have to find them or a suitable replacement, they're still fairly common in thrift stores around here (unlike decent suits!).

Is there a special trick to polishing all that wingtip detailing? How about disinfecting old shoes?

-Dave

jamespowers
02-11-2009, 05:59 PM
I had a pair of these in high school, but they were cordovan and I had nothing with which to wear them. I think I'll have to find them or a suitable replacement, they're still fairly common in thrift stores around here (unlike decent suits!).

Is there a special trick to polishing all that wingtip detailing? How about disinfecting old shoes?

-Dave

Lysol spray. ;) :p There is also the spray powder stuff they use in bowling alleys.
http://www.masterindustries.com/productimages/508.jpg

cookie
02-12-2009, 05:35 AM
Pablo, I think I just bought your shoes. I stopped by my friendly neighborhood thrift store on the way home from work today and found a pair of burgundy Florsheim Imperial gunboats that look just like those you posted (well, a little less polished and with flat laces). My other burgundy brogues cramp my toes something awful and my feet hurt by the end of the day, so I've been on the lookout for a new pair. I think I'm going to like these.

Do they have a wrinkled creased or a beef roll type crease?...if the latter they may be shell cordovan...

Celtic - gunboats can be generous in width often as C could pass for a D width.

Tomasso
02-12-2009, 11:52 AM
I wore them in high school. On more than one occasion, while running for a bus or some such, the inside heel of one shoe would crack on the ankle bone of the other foot. OUCH!!!!!

Today I have one pair of Alden cordo long wings which I probably haven't worn in twenty years. I much prefer the slimmer lasts.

Tony in Tarzana
02-12-2009, 03:21 PM
Thanks for the tips, gentlemen. From their commercials, I had no idea that zappos.com carried anything I'd be interested in. A pair of Florsheim Imperial Kenmoors (13 EEE) are definitely on my wish list now.

WildCelt
02-13-2009, 08:08 AM
Do they have a wrinkled creased or a beef roll type crease?...if the latter they may be shell cordovan...

Is this what you mean by beef roll?
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1980/beefrollmj7.jpg

cookie
02-13-2009, 10:27 PM
Is this what you mean by beef roll?
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1980/beefrollmj7.jpg

Yes. I am no expert but I think they are shell from the rolled creasing and shine.

Venturian
01-19-2010, 01:59 AM
I like them. I have a pair of black AE Leeds, some Alden longwings, and just yesterday picked up a pair of Florshiem Imperial black pebble longwings from a thrift store for $9.25.

Edw8ri
01-28-2010, 11:12 PM
I love gunboats. Such a shoe is also known as an "Alabama search warrant.:

pipvh
01-29-2010, 01:03 AM
I'd never heard the term 'gunboat' before, but apparently I love gunboats, particularly of the gigantic brogue variety. They look perfect with most kinds of trouser and always seem to add a sort of off-kilter, brutal elegance.

So far I've owned a pair of plain Alan McAfees (eaten by Rottweiler while on my foot), some McAfee side-buckle ankle-boots, Trickers wingtips and some mint early 80s Florsheim Imperial wingtips. I think that walking past Trickers on Jermyn Street and marveling at the heavy soles is one of my first shoe-related memories.

The Shooman
01-29-2010, 01:24 AM
Note: l don't use the term gunboat like most people use it. Most people use it meaning a double soled brogue (preferably with 360 welt), but l use it to describe any big bulky leather dress shoo.



Anyway....here are some Vass gunboats i've bought over time. l'll post more another day.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b151/Marc_au/Ron1/Ron2/Ron%204/Vass3636group.jpg

1st = burgundy shell cordovan
2nd = medium brown boxcalf
3rd = dark brown shell cordovan

l reckon they are the best looking shoos l own. The 3636 last is something very very special.

pipvh
01-29-2010, 01:37 AM
Splendid! Particularly the boxcalf.

The Shooman
01-29-2010, 03:01 AM
Splendid! Particularly the boxcalf.
That medium brown boxcalf gleams in the sun like nothing you've ever seen before, especially an hour or two before dark. Stunning patina in real life (photo's do no justice to the patina).

pipvh
01-29-2010, 06:30 AM
Just out of interest, is there a name for what I think of as a very British sub-species of the gunboat: the country shoe with commando soles?

Also thanks for beef-roll tip: apparently my Florsheims are shell cordovan (which I had suspected). Which is nice.

Geesie
01-29-2010, 11:45 AM
These shoes are exactly what my father has been wearing for the last 30-40 years (same two pairs - one black, one brown).

No offense to you all, but they're the reason I never considered wingtips, since I thought that the five pound sole was mandatory. I like the brogueing on wingtips, but I just don't like bulky clothing, period.

Matter of personal taste, mind you. If it's your style, that's great. The 40s - 50s "big" look in men's fashion was just never my thing, from broad suits to heavy shoes.

filfoster
01-29-2010, 12:48 PM
I must count myself fortunate to never wear them again. I paid my dues for over 15 years. I wore them every day as part of my work ensemble: Florsheim Imperials and a suit. I am just not that 'sole-full' anymore. Too much of a good thing. I will never again wear wingtips for the same reason.
Now, it's cap toes or plain military style oxfords with a spit shine.
Fare-thee-well, gun-boat-a-philes. I will not be taking your size from the shelf again, unless I must go out on a particularly windy day or deep sea dive. On the other hand, my leg muscles are much less defined now.

The Shooman
01-29-2010, 05:05 PM
l can understand both of your feelings. last night l was looking at pics of well dressed blokes in elegant suits and elegant dress shoos. My immediate thought was; `wouldn't it look strange if these blokes wore gunboats with their ltalian suits.

No gunboats with fine suits. l made that mistake once and never did it again.

Gunboats with sportscoat, especially a heavier coat. Not a city shoo, it's a suberbs and/or country shoo.

That being said...l have a feeling that l may be able to pull off the burgundy shell cordovan Vass `windsor' model (above) with a heavier fabric suit. BUT, l may be wrong.

feltfan
01-29-2010, 06:31 PM
HT,

Those are incredible shoes. I suppose I'd have to visit
in person to get a pair for myself?

Thanks for posting the pictures.

David Conwill
12-27-2010, 11:44 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/conwi1wd/Fashion/11902b8b.jpg

These vintage Florsheims were delivered to my office today. I love ‘em. So much so that I may have to pick up a couple other colors.

-Dave

skytop
01-02-2011, 10:09 AM
Great new colorful shoe term! I agree with earlier posters. Beautiful but heavy. Wears out my feet by 2 PM.
I recently purchased 'lightweight' wing tips that really are a pleasure to wear and admire. I found them on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Rockport-Mens-Almartin-Wingtip-Oxford/dp/B001TUZNOS/ref=pd_sbs_shoe_1

bretron
05-23-2011, 12:11 PM
Anyone got some longwings in shell sz 10D fs? Just lost out on these beauties on eBay (final price was $214)- Allen Edmonds MacNeil shell cordovan longwings (store models):
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqMOKi0E3FDIbhNiBN1q4GJnhg~~0_3.JPG

Guttersnipe
05-23-2011, 12:46 PM
I cannot stand gunboats and cannot for the life of me understand why so many men do.

bl@ster
05-23-2011, 07:18 PM
Why don't you like them?

Isshinryu101
05-23-2011, 07:42 PM
Anyone got some longwings in shell sz 10D fs? Just lost out on these beauties on eBay (final price was $214)- Allen Edmonds MacNeil shell cordovan longwings (store models):
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqMOKi0E3FDIbhNiBN1q4GJnhg~~0_3.JPG

Believe me, if you compare some nice v-cleat florsheims ro the AE, it's not even close. The shell AE uses is not near the quality of what Floraheim used during the v-cleat era

Isshinryu101
05-23-2011, 07:42 PM
I cannot stand gunboats and cannot for the life of me understand why so many men do.

It's purely a matter opinion and personal style...

Yeps
05-23-2011, 07:47 PM
I don't find it hard to believe that others like them (unlike some styles) but they are not my thing. I already have big feet, and I see no reason to make them look bigger.

Isshinryu101
05-24-2011, 03:27 AM
Perfectly reasonable statement. Depends on the person, and what they view as aesthetic.

Tomasso
05-24-2011, 03:54 AM
I already have big feet, and I see no reason to make them look bigger.Same here. I also favor the more elegant lasts as well. Still I so appreciate the aesthetics.

flyfishark
05-24-2011, 04:29 AM
I have gunboats by Florsheim (Kenmoor longwings), Hanover (LB Sheppard longwings), Bostonian, and Nunn Bush longwings (old ones for Nordstrom-Best in Seattle). These are, without doubt, my favorite shoes. But maybe it's because I wear a munchkin 9 D. Now if I can just find my Nettletons with contrasting stitching I'll be happy.

Isshinryu101
05-24-2011, 06:41 AM
Anyone got some longwings in shell sz 10D fs? Just lost out on these beauties on eBay (final price was $214)- Allen Edmonds MacNeil shell cordovan longwings (store models)

&


I have gunboats by Florsheim (Kenmoor longwings), Hanover (LB Sheppard longwings), Bostonian, and Nunn Bush longwings (old ones for Nordstrom-Best in Seattle). These are, without doubt, my favorite shoes. But maybe it's because I wear a munchkin 9 D. Now if I can just find my Nettletons with contrasting stitching I'll be happy.

Now you guys have me in a "Gunboat Mood". Check out the "Show us your shoes" thread, I'm gonna post a couple there, as well as a comparison between the AE MacNeil & the Florsheim.

flyfishark
05-24-2011, 07:26 AM
Here are my gunboats: Top row, left to right: Florsheim Imperial Kenmoor Shell; Florsheim Kenmoor Black; Hanover LB Sheppard. Bottom, left to right: Florsheim Kenmoor, Florsheim Kenmoor, Bostonian Spectator, Hanover LB Sheppard Pebble Grain, Bostonian Denny Murray.
http://i54.tinypic.com/28usrpy.jpg

flyfishark
05-24-2011, 07:28 AM
Alas, no Nettleton contrast stitching!

Isshinryu101
05-24-2011, 07:30 AM
Here are my gunboats: Top row, left to right: Florsheim Imperial Kenmoor Shell; Florsheim Kenmoor Black; Hanover LB Sheppard. Bottom, left to right: Florsheim Kenmoor, Florsheim Kenmoor, Bostonian Spectator, Hanover LB Sheppard Pebble Grain, Bostonian Denny Murray.
http://i54.tinypic.com/28usrpy.jpg

Nice shoes & NICE STEPS!

WideBrimm
05-25-2011, 11:49 PM
Gunboats (aka clodhoppers) have always been my favorite kind of shoes. :D When they made quality shoes, I'd buy Nunn Bush, or Florsheim, but dang it, it's hard to find decent ones (without breaking the bank) :rolleyes: these days. The last ones I bought, several years ago, were a couple pairs or Red Wings. With narrow feet, it's kind of hard to find shoes that fit anymore, anyhow:eusa_doh:

flyfishark
05-26-2011, 10:36 AM
Let's not forget how a pair of gunboats can set off an otherwise staid, unimaginative, conservative outfit...
http://i53.tinypic.com/2nl5wnd.jpg

Tomasso
05-26-2011, 11:07 AM
Great look, Fly! All you need is a hickory shaft club to finish it off. And straighten the diamonds on those argyles;)

flyfishark
05-26-2011, 11:13 AM
Great look, Fly! All you need is a hickory shaft club to finish it off. And straighten the diamonds on those argyles;)

I knew the argyle thing was coming...it's okay, though...my wife had a lot more to say about the photo than the crooked argyle!

Orgetorix
05-26-2011, 03:45 PM
Let's not forget how a pair of gunboats can set off an otherwise staid, unimaginative, conservative outfit...


:rofl:

dhermann1
05-26-2011, 04:23 PM
I still don't have a pair, but my thinking about them has certainly undergone a sea change. Many years ago I worked for Ross Perot's old outfit, EDS. They had a strict dress code, requiring suits and hard sole shoes. At that time I associated wingtips with people trying to be as corporate and Wall Street as possible. In other words, TOTALLY negative.
When I found out that they were really called brogues, and that they were worn in moors and bosky dells, and that the little holes were meant to let the water drain out more easily, I changed my mind. I still sort of have the old reaction when I see them worn with a dark business suit. But when I see them with more traditional "country dress", they seem totally right.