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waffle
06-28-2008, 10:33 AM
So I was pretty excited to see the box from The Hattery outside my door today, but then I noticed a few signs of problems...
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<a href="http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk66/papo1683/?action=view&current=IMG_2138.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk66/papo1683/IMG_2138.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

I'm not sure if I can work with this, or if this is grounds for returning the hat... but please let me know what you think. I'm still a newbe with hats, and I've never bashed one...

Thanks for the help... cheers!

MattJH
06-28-2008, 10:42 AM
Haha. That's sort of funny. No, you don't have a problem. You can rebash a Federation over and over again. Just pop it back out to its original open crown and shape away.

Mike in Seattle
06-28-2008, 10:42 AM
It's probably fine. Knock it out to open crown and start working on bashes. Besides, if it is permanently damaged, at least you've got pictures to back up your story.

RPeers
06-28-2008, 10:44 AM
Maybe send off an email to them with the pictures at very least they may reimburse you for the shipping (maybe).

Not-Bogart13
06-28-2008, 11:50 AM
Just look at the felt to be sure there are no rips or cracks. If not, the hat should be fine. This is a common problem with hats received by mail or UPS. Imagine getting a box like that with a $250 hat inside... that you waited 10 months for! :eek:

waffle
06-28-2008, 11:57 AM
my other fedora came without a problem, so I guess I just freaked out a bit when I saw the condition of the box and hat. I've been working on it for a bit now and it seems to be workin' out.

I'll be emailing the photos to them today and see what they tell me.

Thanks for the help, advice and comforting words.. heh. You guys truly are the best.

cheers!

cooncatbob
06-28-2008, 03:00 PM
The problem with Hatsdirect is that they only single box a hat. Other places like Art place the hat box inside a shipping box.
The box my Fed came in looked like it had been drop kicked, had a nice sized hole in it, but the hat was fine.
Lots of the Indy nutters over at COW do worse to their hats to get the proper look.lol
The Fed is a very tough hat ans as long as it doesn't have any creases or tears in it you should be fine.
They should double box their hats, I'd pay extra for it.

waffle
06-28-2008, 04:40 PM
I started to work on it some, and it looks like there's a crease I just can't get out. other than that, the hat is lookin pretty fine.

waffle
06-28-2008, 04:52 PM
Here are a couple of pics w/ flash and w/out flash of that crease.. tell me what you think..

<a href="http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk66/papo1683/?action=view&current=4.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk66/papo1683/4.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>


<a href="http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk66/papo1683/?action=view&current=5.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk66/papo1683/5.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

indycop
06-28-2008, 05:02 PM
Nothing wrong with that, can we see it from the side and front?:D

handlebar bart
06-28-2008, 05:03 PM
I like my hats with alittle character, so it looks great to my eyes. Maybe a spritz of distilled water will help work out the crease.

waffle
06-28-2008, 05:07 PM
Here are the other views of the hat:

<a href="http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk66/papo1683/?action=view&current=1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk66/papo1683/1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk66/papo1683/?action=view&current=2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk66/papo1683/2.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk66/papo1683/?action=view&current=3.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk66/papo1683/3.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

handlebar bart... you got a point there.. :)

thanks for your opinion guys..

handlebar bart
06-28-2008, 05:12 PM
Wow waffle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That lid looks great. Great job on the bash. That one is definately a keeper and now I have ANOTHER fedora on my wish list:eusa_clap

waffle
06-28-2008, 05:17 PM
Wow waffle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That lid looks great. Great job on the bash. That one is definately a keeper and now I have ANOTHER fedora on my wish list:eusa_clap

heh.. thanks man! I really appreciate it.

I guess I'm a perfectionist sometimes.. but I gotta admit, I love it either way.

indycop
06-28-2008, 05:24 PM
Yep definitely nothing wrong with that!!:eusa_clap

Roadrunner
06-28-2008, 05:36 PM
[huh] Eh, it looks OK. lol JK that sucker looks FANTASTIC! You did a great job on the bash, keep it or send it to me if you don't want it.

MAB1
06-28-2008, 05:45 PM
I'd send it back and demand a refund!!!

Just kidding. ;)

It looks like a million bucks.

MDphoto
06-28-2008, 05:48 PM
That hat looks great! I got a little worried when I read the the title of the thread since I have two feds coming (couldn't decide which one [huh] ).
Seeing your hat makes me really look forward to getting mine.

waffle
06-28-2008, 05:50 PM
haha.. thanks roadrunner and MAB..

I'm not done with it yet.. but I think it's enough for today.

handlebar bart
06-28-2008, 05:53 PM
That hat looks great! I got a little worried when I read the the title of the thread since I have two feds coming (couldn't decide which one [huh] ).Seeing your hat makes me really look forward to getting mine.


MDphoto. MD must stand for mucho dinero[huh] :D

waffle
06-28-2008, 05:53 PM
That hat looks great! I got a little worried when I read the the title of the thread since I have two feds coming (couldn't decide which one [huh] ).
Seeing your hat makes me really look forward to getting mine.

I'm not sure who it was, but I remember seeing a similar thread with similar photos (except the hat wasnt damaged, only the box), but I went ahead and ordered it anyway. Dispite the box/shipping problems they seem to always have, I was suprised at how nice the hat actually is. Seeing that I haven't taken mine off yet.. trust me.. you're gonna love 'em.

cheers!

waffle
06-28-2008, 06:10 PM
btw guys.. here's another view of the crease.. this time way too visible:

<a href="http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk66/papo1683/?action=view&current=7.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk66/papo1683/7.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk66/papo1683/?action=view&current=6.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk66/papo1683/6.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

oh well.. I guess I'll try the distilled water idea. Let me know if ya'll have any other ideas.

cheers

MDphoto
06-28-2008, 06:21 PM
MDphoto. MD must stand for mucho dinero[huh] :D

Ha ha I wish!

My wife says MD stand for mentally disabled.

Waffle, I think the hat looks really good. The hat has character!

handlebar bart
06-28-2008, 06:41 PM
Ha ha I wish!

My wife says MD stand for mentally disabled.Waffle, I think the hat looks really good. The hat has character!

lol lol lol That sounds oddly familiar

Mike in Seattle
06-28-2008, 06:43 PM
I think some steaming would take care of that crease.

MAB1
06-28-2008, 06:46 PM
Just spritz it w/ water and smooth it out as it dries.

It's gonna be fine.

indycop
06-28-2008, 07:21 PM
Distilled water should do it just fine.

KY Gentleman
06-28-2008, 08:20 PM
I have an Akubra Squatter that I re-shaped and it had a crease like that in it. IndyCop is right, just spray it with water and as it dries it should pop out.

Woodfluter
06-30-2008, 02:29 AM
Waffle, great job here.

I know how you feel - my Fed Deluxe arrived in a single box and it was stove in and mashed up, but missed the hat! They are nice folks but really need to rethink this business of just taping up a regular hat box and shipping it all the way from Oz.

If the slight remaining crease on the side above the ribbon bow (barely noticable in your pictures) bothers you, try steam. I don't know if you used that to shape it, but really, in mild doses there is absolutely no danger. Steam the dented area a little bit and press it with some rounded object, like a small bottle or glass, pressing your hand in from the inside. When I've done this, even with badly crushed vitage hats, I've been able to iron out all traces of distortion except for a little remnant, sometimes, in the very worst cases. Couple of minutes attention and its good as new.

waffle
06-30-2008, 08:51 AM
Waffle, great job here.

I know how you feel - my Fed Deluxe arrived in a single box and it was stove in and mashed up, but missed the hat! They are nice folks but really need to rethink this business of just taping up a regular hat box and shipping it all the way from Oz.

If the slight remaining crease on the side above the ribbon bow (barely noticable in your pictures) bothers you, try steam. I don't know if you used that to shape it, but really, in mild doses there is absolutely no danger. Steam the dented area a little bit and press it with some rounded object, like a small bottle or glass, pressing your hand in from the inside. When I've done this, even with badly crushed vitage hats, I've been able to iron out all traces of distortion except for a little remnant, sometimes, in the very worst cases. Couple of minutes attention and its good as new.

woodfluter,

you know, i remember reading and seeing the thread that you posted about your hat arrival.. and thinking, well, whats the chance that will happen to mine? lol.. anyway, thanks a bunch for the advice.. this is the first hat i've ever bashed or much less had to fix.. so it's been a learning experience. I'll try the steam and bottle thing and let you know how that goes.. thanks again.

cheers

DanielJones
06-30-2008, 01:11 PM
If you have a block of wood or a hat block to help support that portion of the crown I'd take a clothing steam iron to it. Just be sure to use a clean cloth like a t-shirt to protect the felt from the iron so as not to burn it and be sure to use the steam setting and iron it out. If it works for hatters it should work for us. The only problem is that the iron may not get hot enough. But for a simple crease it should do the trick.

Cheers!

Dan

waffle
06-30-2008, 02:00 PM
If you have a block of wood or a hat block to help support that portion of the crown I'd take a clothing steam iron to it. Just be sure to use a clean cloth like a t-shirt to protect the felt from the iron so as not to burn it and be sure to use the steam setting and iron it out. If it works for hatters it should work for us. The only problem is that the iron may not get hot enough. But for a simple crease it should do the trick.

Cheers!

Dan

thanks so much for your input/advice DanielJones.. i'll definately try that if the steam and bottles trick doesn't work.

again, thanks!

tonyb
06-30-2008, 02:51 PM
I'd steer you away from the iron, waffle, unless you also happen to have the proper block. My fear is that the heat will shrink the felt on the section where the iron is applied and you'd get a hat with an unevenly shaped crown -- straight-sided (more or less) on one side and somewhat more tapered on the other.

I did this once myself, in an attempt to neaten up a hat with a persistent crease along the side of its crown. That hat has since been taken apart and cleaned and reblocked and put back together, so it looks good now. But again, unless you also have the proper block, there's a good chance you could do more harm than good with the iron. I'd say try the cold water method first.

waffle
06-30-2008, 03:09 PM
tonyb,

thanks for the heads up, I'll take that into consideration.. and try the steam and cold water methods first. I've lived in Miami for 25 years now and have never seen a hattery.. boy, i wish i had one around here now.

good thing i got you guys..

thanks again for the tip tonyb.. it's much appreciated.

kaosharper1
06-30-2008, 07:25 PM
Definitely just use water. I wouldn't even use steam. I've reshaped my federation several time by just wetting it and shaping it by hand. The Akubra felt is very responsive.

waffle
07-01-2008, 12:16 PM
just an update for you all that helped me out with this...

here's the hat after a little bit of steam and a couple of glass bottles.. it worked great in my opinion:

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk66/papo1683/8.jpg

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk66/papo1683/9.jpg

thanks for the help yall.. i'd give ya a high five if i could. :D

handlebar bart
07-01-2008, 05:55 PM
Great job on that Waffle. That lid looks really nice.:eusa_clap

Woodfluter
07-02-2008, 04:58 PM
Fantastic, Waffle! You done did it.

I agree with Tony, despite my relative inexperience - with an iron there's too much danger of applying a little too much heat in a few seconds of inattention. More of a high-wire act, or so it seems.

Wetting alone does work - I did that before I got comfortable with steam, and now use that as an adjunct to steam. I made a long, tapered cone of aluminum foil to slip over the spout of my teakettle, and that helps focus the steam and keeps the rest of the hat away from needless heat. Finely-disseminated molecules of hot H2O do wonders in most cases, and unless you leave the felt exposed for long periods, I haven't seen any tendency toward shrinkage. Just a minimal pass through to soften it is needed. But you probably know all that by now! Great fix you did.

- Bill

waffle
07-02-2008, 05:16 PM
bill,

i created a little something like what you used out of aluminum foil to get the job done. I noticed that steam was heating up the enitre hat, and thought it better to concentrate it on the area needed. it was mostly trial and error, but I guess I got it right after a while. there's still a tiny bit of a line left from the crease, but not nearly as noticable..

either way, thanks bill for your input and time.. I really do appreciate it. :)

By the way, for those of you wondering, I did get an email back from hatsdirect. They were pretty kind about it and gave me some instructions (basically the same yall gave me about water and steam) on how to fix the hat. They did tell me however, that if i couldn't completely remove the crease and if i wasnt satisfied, i could return it for another hat.

-adolfo

waffle
07-05-2008, 08:32 PM
another update from hatsdirect...

they sent me an email tellin me that i would have free shipping with any hat i order in the future with them. they were pretty nice and understanding about the situation. i thought i'd end it with that good word for those of you pondering about getting a hat through them.

Magus
07-05-2008, 10:14 PM
There ya go. I was just getting ready to Chime in with "steam and two bottles". Its my usual method and has recovered many a hat. Glad to see it worked for you as well.

Woodfluter
07-06-2008, 12:08 AM
bill,

i created a little something like what you used out of aluminum foil to get the job done. I noticed that steam was heating up the enitre hat, and thought it better to concentrate it on the area needed. it was mostly trial and error, but I guess I got it right after a while. there's still a tiny bit of a line left from the crease, but not nearly as noticable..

either way, thanks bill for your input and time.. I really do appreciate it. :)

By the way, for those of you wondering, I did get an email back from hatsdirect. They were pretty kind about it and gave me some instructions (basically the same yall gave me about water and steam) on how to fix the hat. They did tell me however, that if i couldn't completely remove the crease and if i wasnt satisfied, i could return it for another hat.

-adolfo

You are most welcome, Adolfo! And what you said confirms my impression, that Hats Direct are dinkum dealers. They'll make it right I'm sure. Do wish they'd spend 50 cents on an overbox, though.

My experience, when I've thought I got the straightening done as well as I could, and came back later for another go, it improved it further. That lightweight felt Mallory 10 of mine got a re-steaming and pressing two days ago and it is considerably better. Just a thought if you are obsessing over it, like I sometimes do.

- Bill

MDphoto
07-06-2008, 05:26 AM
Received my two Feds from Hatsdirect yesterday and the box was a mess! They shipped one hat inside the other and they were pretty crumpled :eek: :eusa_doh: . The good news is the hats popped back pretty good, but one ribbon has a few creases in it from being pushed down to the brim. How do I get those creases out[huh] ?


Whoever said Hatsdirect should put their hat box into another box before shipping is absolutely right!

Woodfluter
07-06-2008, 10:56 PM
Alternatively, you guys could move to Japan, where the post office and delivery companies don't put the mail through a trash compactor before delivery.

Kabuto - that's right too!

Sometimes it seems like the things marked "fragile, this side up", "do not puncture", "do not stack on bottom" etc get singled out for special treatment, as do obvious candidates like a hat box with a few little pieces of tape slapped on it. Special treatment in this case being something like "I hate my job and now somebody else is gonna feel bad too!" But the delivery people I know are all very nice and not like that at all.

MDphoto
07-07-2008, 04:57 PM
I used to work for UPS a long time ago and I remember that the English to UPS lingo says

Fragile=throw has hard as possible
:eek: :eek: :eek: