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Chepstow
09-25-2011, 02:37 AM
Today I was back at the flea market where I could make for 4 EUR, two bargain
The Fiebig Homburger, it´s the Same Manufacturer as Sauerland and a Dobbs Fifteen see it in The New Hat Thread.
Fiebig is the Manufacturer of Sauerland in the 1950.

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/2146/sauerlandhomburg.jpg
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/952/sauerlandhomburg1.jpg
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http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/2724/sauerlandhomburg3.jpg
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/7017/sauerlandhomburg4.jpg
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/7797/sauerlandhomburg5.jpg

The Historie of Fiebig Hat´s

http://www.fiebig-hats.de/de/historie.html

mayserwegener
09-25-2011, 08:08 AM
DavidRaphael, Very nice Homburg! Looks to be high quality. I am not sure about GS mark. I think I have seen it before but drawing a blank.

Manfred, You are on a roll! :) I really like the Josef Pichler. I wasn't aware of Fiebig. Interesting they are still in business. I wonder if they self produce or OEM?

Chepstow
09-25-2011, 10:15 AM
Yes Steve, :D on Weekend is Flea Market Time, every Weekend. My Wife and I Love it.
As you see, I'll also usually find some Hat.
Just a pity I can not keep them all. Many of my finds go to Ebay, most of which are not my size. Thats to bad.[huh]

Quixote
09-27-2011, 01:50 AM
A 50s Fritz Hückel stingy brim fedora with an awesome full crown and wide ribbon. Absolutely perfect condition. Found it at a thrift shop for 10 euros.

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Chepstow
09-27-2011, 05:08 AM
A 50s Fritz Hückel stingy brim fedora with an awesome full crown and wide ribbon. Absolutely perfect condition. Found it at a thrift shop for 10 euros.

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1391/huckel1.jpghttp://img405.imageshack.us/img405/564/huckel2.jpg
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http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1353/huckel6.jpg
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That is a great Hat it´s fit´s you Perfect. Very Nice color and the price :D was it a Shop in Germany?

Quixote
09-27-2011, 05:14 AM
That is a great Hat it´s fit´s you Perfect. Very Nice color and the price :D was it a Shop in Germany?

No, in Finland. A lot of German stuff was imported here after the war, apparently.

Chepstow
09-27-2011, 05:20 AM
Thats a fantastic Deal for this Hat, congratulations. A Hückel Grand Prix is a very fine Hat. I like it very.

Mario
09-27-2011, 05:22 AM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6177/6176187737_96fc6fa0bc_b.jpg


Good one, Steve! :eusa_clap

You must have a pretty big collection of German velours by now. They really are something, aren't they? :D

Chepstow
09-27-2011, 05:27 AM
Good one, Steve! :eusa_clap

You must have a pretty big collection of German velours by now. They really are something, aren't they? :D

Mario Does he still have enough space for new Hats??;)

Chepstow
09-27-2011, 05:37 AM
This is my Ottmar Reich Florentiner, Boater or Kreissäge Size 56 in a great condition.

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Chepstow
09-27-2011, 05:52 AM
a Old German Fedora with German names IKA Feiner Haarhut. I dont know the Hatterer

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mayserwegener
09-27-2011, 06:13 AM
Mario, Yes I have an Austrian Velour addicition. This one actually fits too. :)

Quixote, Your Fritz Hückel looks fantastic! By the way Hückel Weilheim, Germany exported to the USA under Fritz Hückel Hutmacher. There were Hückel brand issues with TONAK (originally Johann Hückel´s Söhne) outside of Germany.

Manfred, Your Ottmar Reich boater is beautiful! I also really like (cool bow design) the Feiner Haarhut. Where did you find it?

mayserwegener
09-27-2011, 06:17 AM
Mario Does he still have enough space for new Hats??;)

I had to move some into offsite storage. :)

Chepstow
09-27-2011, 06:25 AM
Thanks Steve, the IKA Feiner Haarhut is a flea market find. Ill think it was a low Buged Hat from a Hat Shop. IKA is not a Brand name

Quixote
09-27-2011, 06:34 AM
Quixote, Your Fritz Hückel looks fantastic! By the way Hückel Weilheim, Germany exported to the USA under Fritz Hückel Hutmacher. There were Hückel brand issues with TONAK (originally Johann Hückel´s Söhne) outside of Germany.

Thank you! This hat was originally an import to Finland for a local hat seller.

mayserwegener
09-27-2011, 07:10 AM
Thanks Steve, the IKA Feiner Haarhut is a flea market find. Ill think it was a low Buged Hat from a Hat Shop. IKA is not a Brand name

From the photos the quality looks good. Is the liner stitched or glued?

Chepstow
09-27-2011, 08:50 AM
The liner was glued Steve.

mayserwegener
09-27-2011, 10:27 AM
Thanks! Probably looking mid to late 60s.

davidraphael
09-29-2011, 12:36 PM
Latest find: By pure chance, it's my 2nd German made Chisnall in 2 weeks (the last being a Homburg). I found it at the famous Mauer Park Flohmarkt in Berlin. The colour of this 'chamois' caught my eye 1st. My images don't do it justice - it's a sort of olive green/brown, but in some lights it leans towards orangey/brown, other times to a more golden colour. Never seen a hat this colour before! It seems to go with everything!

As indicated, I've come across this Chisnall make in Germany more than once. Does anyone know anything more about them? (mayserwegener?) At 1st I thought they were English, but it seems not to be the case...


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mayserwegener
09-29-2011, 02:19 PM
I am not aware of them (could it be a men's store?) but I will look into it. The paper tag is all hand written which is interesting. Looks to be late 1960s or later.

Chepstow
09-29-2011, 11:23 PM
Latest find: By pure chance, it's my 2nd German made Chisnall in 2 weeks (the last being a Homburg). I found it at the famous Mauer Park Flohmarkt in Berlin. The colour of this 'chamois' caught my eye 1st. My images don't do it justice - it's a sort of olive green/brown, but in some lights it leans towards orangey/brown, other times to a more golden colour. Never seen a hat this colour before! It seems to go with everything!

As indicated, I've come across this Chisnall make in Germany more than once. Does anyone know anything more about them? (mayserwegener?) At 1st I thought they were English, but it seems not to be the case...


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Hello davidraphael, Hello Steve that is what i found on a bay Auction.
A paper label of a chisnall Homburger Hat Produced in Germany. maybe its help by identifying the German Hatterer.
The in a other Auction this Info. " CHISNALL – made in Regent Street-London "

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/107/chisnall.jpg

Chepstow
09-29-2011, 11:29 PM
David, you live in UK, maybe you can research who is in Regent Street-London a Hat Shop, Hatterer etc...
I think its a Licence Brand what was produced in UK and Germany maybe in other State to.

By the way, the Hat looks great! :D

mayserwegener
09-30-2011, 05:29 AM
Manfred, I think the UK mention might be marketing related. This is a common marketing theme with 1960s German store model hats. I can't identify the GS or SG company but it is definitely German (could Austrian but I doubt it). I will see if I can come up with anything.

Chepstow
10-01-2011, 10:36 AM
Good Evening Gentleman, a new find today.
A wonderfull Dobesch Präsident Homburger Size 58, stamped Sweat Band 1968, in a good condition.

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Chepstow
10-01-2011, 10:41 AM
a Rockel Dreispitz Trachtenhut size 55 a New Hat

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/9528/rockeldreispitz1.jpg
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9175/rockeldreispitz2.jpg
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Chepstow
10-01-2011, 10:45 AM
a Mayser Sichelhaar Trachtenhut Size 60 its another New Hat

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/884/maysersichel.jpg
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/1666/maysersichel1.jpg
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mayserwegener
10-01-2011, 11:10 AM
Another great haul! The Dobesch is really well made for the time period. I know P. & C. Habig (also Austrian) were still stitching liners into the early 1970s. The Italians makers kept it going into the late 70s.

davidraphael
10-01-2011, 11:11 AM
Love the homburg!

Chepstow
10-01-2011, 08:28 PM
Thanks Steve Thanks davidraphael, this is a Antilope City Hat i dont know the Manufacturer
Color is a deep blue with very softly felt finish

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/2757/antilopecityhat.jpg
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and a Rheinhut Superior stamped Sweat Band 1965

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3811/rheinhut.jpg
http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/6823/rheinhut1.jpg
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http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/5047/rheinhut3.jpg

Chepstow
10-02-2011, 08:36 AM
and a Mayser Ausseer Trachten Hat in mint condition for 3 EUR

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/2073/mayseraussee.jpg
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Steve I have a new Borsalino Qualita EXTRA Superiore Grand Prix Paris 1900, stamped 1962 in mint condition color anthracite.
Found on flea market today, see it on the Borsalino Brotherhood. Its Made for the italy Market.

davidraphael
10-02-2011, 08:38 AM
wow. you have a lot of good flea markets near you, Chepstow - where are you based?

davidraphael
10-02-2011, 08:52 AM
wow. you have a lot of good flea markets near you, Chepstow - where are you based?

Chepstow
10-02-2011, 08:56 AM
Hello David, I live in remscheid and go every weekend to Dortmund, Duesseldorf, Bonn.
There are always about 50 to 70 km in radius. The markets are quite large number of more then 100 exhibitors.
Bonn is probably the largest market. Called Rheinauen.

Chepstow
10-08-2011, 07:54 AM
Hello Steve. Today I got three new hats, one a black attache Mayser Gr.59 and
a dark blue Wilke Gr.59


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Chepstow
10-08-2011, 08:00 AM
The last is an cylinder of Aleisa, The Chapeau Claque factory was founded in 1905 by Albert Eisele Achern.
Therefore, this year marks 100th anniversary, which still is not sure
whether this is done publicly or family. The factory was then the fifth
Folding cylinder factory in the area Achern. She was named Aleisa, after the
Initials of the founder and the first letter of the city founder
(Albert Eisele Achern). Today there are only three Chapeau Claque factories
world

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that is the story about Aleisa: http://www.ga.og.bw.schule.de/hp/schueler/ags/begabtgeschichte/zylinderhut/endfassung.pdf

mayserwegener
10-09-2011, 06:05 AM
Manfred, The Wilke is interesting because they were located in Guben prior to WWII. I have an old Wilke Melone from that time period. I guess some company ? starting using the name again in the 1960s. Also very interesting regarding Aleisa. It appears they are now the only company in the World making high quality colapsable top hats. It would be interesting to see their operation.

http://www.aleisa.de/index.html

Chepstow
10-09-2011, 08:37 AM
with Wilke you probably right. I also think it is the same company.
I have also been found yet!

Translation
The heavily damaged and divided city Guben pointed towards the end of the war, considerable structural damage to the plants at the hat factory. After debris removal and cleanup by the Gubener was the first of Carl Gottlob Wilke gas factory in the street again set in motion. As early as 1946, 500 employees worked at the factory. Also, the Berlin-Gubener hat factory could start production again. Beginning in 1948, and the remaining two smaller factories remaining after the decision of the Soviet Military Administration (SMAD) expropriated and placed under the VEB as the "Association of Publicly Owned Enterprises fur" in Leipzig. (Reader's letter from the United VEB Hutwerke Guben to the "young generation":
"For and against home schmaltz", May 1962). The machines from the Berlin Gubener hat factories were dismantled and all the Soviet Union made, were recalled just as well as important technical specialists there.

Ender of the 40s was first re-exported, mainly to the Soviet Union the party Rasno export. After the founding of the GDR 1949 1952 was founded the "VEB United Hutwerke Guben," comprised of five plants and employed 1,200 people. As late as the 50s began a process of shrinking global hat industry, so that many works had in other parts of the Republic close by and by, the VEB in Guben remained. 1970, the "VEB Hutkombinat Guben" was founded, which was then not many companies connected to out Guben. In the 80s it was even the co-location or mapping of all the works of the hat industry "VEB textile combine Cottbus", the line of hats and caps remained at the Gubenern. In Guben in the mid-80s, still employs 650 workers and employees in the hat factory, including the relevant premises were about 1000th 1988 2.3 million hats and caps were produced with a turnover of almost 58 million East marks. Of these, usually about 80% were exported to Eastern Europe and the rest in kapitalisitische countries.

After the fall of 1990, operating in the corporation "Gubener hats GmbH" was converted to the shareholder was the Treuhand privatization. Urgently needed to change with the market, a redevelopment concept for the operation. Already in 1990, many jobs were eliminated and the number was 1991 with only 70 employees. In 1993, the businessman, Mr. Ondrich the operation, however, who retired shortly before the bankruptcy of 1996 and a change of ownership was completed. From 1996 to 1998 there was an attempt to avert the threat of bankruptcy. On 25 However, in May 1998 had filed for bankruptcy werden.Noch in the same year, production was resumed, but the attempt to maintain the tradition of the manufacture of hats in Guben unfortunately failed with the "New Gubener hats GmbH 'final 1999th What had brought the hat industry Gubener to world class, one on the world market-oriented innovation policy, run by courageous entrepreneurs as Wilke and Lewin, could not be revived.

mayserwegener
10-09-2011, 12:47 PM
To me your Wilke looks like a hat made in West Germany. It doesn't look like a DDR Guben (I actually have a couple) made hat. It is possible some West German hat company was able to get the Wilke name rights or maybe they expired.

Chepstow
10-09-2011, 08:36 PM
That might be good that's been working here under license.
Thats interesting
http://friedrich.song-vision.de/downloads/die_wilkesche_hutfabrik.pdf

mayserwegener
10-10-2011, 09:44 AM
Manfred, That is an amazing document! Where did you find it? Even though it is in German people on here should take a look just for the photos.

Chepstow
10-10-2011, 11:05 AM
Manfred, That is an amazing document! Where did you find it? Even though it is in German people on here should take a look just for the photos.

Hello Steve i searched for Wilke Hüte then i found this dokument. But i found more. a promotional movie in the Federal Archives of Wilke hats, unfortunately I could not watch it
The Link: http://www.bundesarchiv.de/imperia/md/content/abteilungen/abtfa/lost_films_trickfilme.pdf search for number 353

mayserwegener
10-10-2011, 11:34 AM
Would be interesting to see that film. I went ahead and did a rough Google translation. This is a very interesting document that covers both wool and fur felt hat making at Wilke Hutfabrik Guben (near Berlin), Germany at the turn of the 19th century. Many interesting photos too.

https://www.box.net/shared/0bun4bvrlhaspmhuj1d1

Chepstow
10-11-2011, 08:49 AM
Steve you have it translated. The photos are great

mayserwegener
10-11-2011, 01:46 PM
Again thank you for finding this document. It helped me with some unanswered questions I had. One having to do with Negretti being a type of wool rather than a manufacturer. I have a strong feeling many early hard hats (see Bowlers, Derbies, Melones) were made of wool (or some combination of wool).

Chepstow
10-12-2011, 11:13 AM
Again thank you for finding this document. It helped me with some unanswered questions I had. One having to do with Negretti being a type of wool rather than a manufacturer. I have a strong feeling many early hard hats (see Bowlers, Derbies, Melones) were made of wool (or some combination of wool).

nothing to thank Steve, let me know what you find about felt or wool. is interesting to find out, I hope you will find

davidraphael
10-16-2011, 12:48 PM
Here is my latest beauty that I'm very pleased with indeed. It's a Peschel homburg that looks like it has hardly been worn, if at all - it's in excellent condition. There are no sweat stains whatsoever on the liner, no marks of any kind on the exterior of the hat itself. The crown is higher than my other homburg, and the liner is stitched rather than glued, so I'm wondering how old it is.

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mayserwegener
10-16-2011, 03:39 PM
That is a really nice one! Peschel Dinkelsbühl, Germany (orginally from Neutitschein, Austria / Novy Jicin, Czecho Slovakia) made really nice hats. I would say late 1950s to mid 1960s.

mayserwegener
10-16-2011, 03:49 PM
nothing to thank Steve, let me know what you find about felt or wool. is interesting to find out, I hope you will find

Here is the old (early 1900s) Melone that is made of Negretti wool. I do not know the maker but they were some where in East Germany (Saxony or Brandenburg).

http://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/58-negretti/

I believe I also have a wool Fedora style hat from the early 1900s. The look and finish is nothing like what I have encountered before in fur felt hats. After reading the Wilke book it appears there was a unique wool hat making tradition in the Brandenburg / Saxony area. Here is the hat if you want to take a look. I was never able to identify the maker based on the initials (C.W.N).

http://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/60-c-w-n-hutfabriken/page__view__findpost__p__325

Chepstow
10-17-2011, 08:52 AM
Here is the old (early 1900s) Melone that is made of Negretti wool. I do not know the maker but they were some where in East Germany (Saxony or Brandenburg).

http://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/58-negretti/

I believe I also have a wool Fedora style hat from the early 1900s. The look and finish is nothing like what I have encountered before in fur felt hats. After reading the Wilke book it appears there was a unique wool hat making tradition in the Brandenburg / Saxony area. Here is the hat if you want to take a look. I was never able to identify the maker based on the initials (C.W.N).

http://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/60-c-w-n-hutfabriken/page__view__findpost__p__325

Yes you are right, Negretti is a coarser wool. The wool is stiff and strong?
Have you any more of that time could be made ​​of the wool

mayserwegener
10-17-2011, 02:25 PM
The Fedora hat is very soft but it doesn't have the feel of fur felt. The Melone is harder to tell the difference. Neither has the characteristics that people on here would associate with a modern day wool hat. I think I have a couple more old wool hats but they are all Melone.

mayserwegener
10-18-2011, 10:10 PM
This old + cool Wilke hat bucket belongs to a friend in Germany.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6174/6259366109_c41008fe10_o.jpg

Chepstow
10-19-2011, 09:32 AM
This old + cool Wilke hat bucket belongs to a friend in Germany.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6174/6259366109_c41008fe10_o.jpg

Hi Steve, thats intresting on Ebay Germany!
http://www.ebay.de/itm/280757131180?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%3A80%2Fsc h%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp5197.m570.l1 313%26_nkw%3D%2B280757131180%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

mayserwegener
10-19-2011, 09:52 AM
The Wilke logo is from the Guben time period but I think these buckets are late 1950s maybe 1960s. Some company acquired the name because Wilke Guben didn't survive WWII.

Chepstow
10-19-2011, 08:45 PM
Yes Steve, it was an German politician
Political career [edit]
Felix von Eckardt 1961 with spiritual dignitaries, Bonn

1952, began his political career when he took over in February, the Head of Press and Information Office of the Federal Government in Bonn. He was in fact government spokesman. From May 1955 to 1956 he acted as an observer at the United Nations in New York. Von Eckardt, who was considered a confidant of Chancellor Konrad Adenauer, these accompanied on his trip to Moscow in September 1955. In July 1956 he was again government spokesman. With generally recognized diplomatic skills he imparted in the public policy of Adenauer.

From 1958 to 1965, in von Eckardt Permanent State Secretary Federal Chancellery. At first he was speaker of the federal government, from 1962 Agent of the Federal Government in Berlin.

From 1965 to 1972 Eckhardt was a member of the German Bundestag. It was in 1965 for the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) was elected the first time a direct mandate in the electoral district of Wilhelmshaven.

Since 1973 he has lived, who was also known for its west-collection in Hamburg. He died in 1979 of a heart attack on Capri.
The Hat was a Gift from USA Präsident Lyndon B. Johnson to Eckardt

Italian-wiseguy
10-20-2011, 04:42 AM
For your opinion: I just won this
http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz144/paolo35/Wegener1.jpg

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz144/paolo35/Wegener2.jpg

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz144/paolo35/Wegenerint.jpg

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz144/paolo35/Wegenerhead.jpg

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz144/paolo35/Wegnerprof.jpg

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz144/paolo35/Wegenerint2.jpg

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz144/paolo35/Wegenerint4.jpg

only problem: it runs large!!

side by side comparison with non-vintage bowler:
http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz144/paolo35/Hatcomparison.jpg

Any idea about the age of the hat? ciao!! :)

Chepstow
10-20-2011, 06:40 AM
For your opinion: I just won this
http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz144/paolo35/Wegener1.jpg

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz144/paolo35/Wegener2.jpg

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz144/paolo35/Wegenerint.jpg

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz144/paolo35/Wegenerhead.jpg

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz144/paolo35/Wegnerprof.jpg

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz144/paolo35/Wegenerint2.jpg

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz144/paolo35/Wegenerint4.jpg

only problem: it runs large!!

side by side comparison with non-vintage bowler:
http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz144/paolo35/Hatcomparison.jpg

Any idea about the age of the hat? ciao!! :)

nice hat Italian-wiseguy, brown sweat band, I think mid-50s to the 60s
no stamp under the sweatband or paper label?

mayserwegener
10-20-2011, 07:17 AM
Manfred, Thank you for the background info! Again a great find!

Italian-Wiseguy, Nice Wegener Homburg! Is the liner stitched or glued? This might help to narrow it down a bit.

Italian-wiseguy
10-20-2011, 08:18 AM
The liner is stitched with long withe threads, under the headband there's a stamped number which reads 0945/51 (not sure of the 1);
and a semi-cancelled stamp which looks like 11:22 repeated three times, this way:
11:22
11:22
11:22

hope this helps, ciao!! and thank you! :)

mayserwegener
10-20-2011, 08:37 AM
I don't think I have any Wegeners with a date stamp on the inside of the sweatband. When the date is stamped in a German hat it is usually straight forward like this example.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6203/6070791379_d3fe94dc51_b.jpg

If the liner is stitched my guess would be mid to late 1950s early 1960s.

Italian-wiseguy
10-20-2011, 08:44 AM
Thank you, Mayeserwegener and Chepstow!!

Well, it costed me the fortune of 7 euros ;) and I plan to wear it a little :)

mayserwegener
10-20-2011, 09:18 AM
Super deal! You can always add felt spacers for a better fit. :) Also if you want to see other Wegener hats.

http://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/4-rm-wegener-hutfabrik/

davidraphael
10-20-2011, 09:59 AM
The liner is stitched with long withe threads, under the headband there's a stamped number which reads 0945/51 (not sure of the 1);
and a semi-cancelled stamp which looks like 11:22 repeated three times, this way:
11:22
11:22
11:22

hope this helps, ciao!! and thank you! :)

I just looked at my sweatband on my Peschel Homburg and it also has 3 sets of numbers:

5:16
5:16
5:16

and my Chisnall also has something similar:
H-E-(unreadable)
I-I-(unreadable)
H-E-(unreadable)

Chepstow
10-20-2011, 11:16 AM
Thank you, Mayeserwegener and Chepstow!!

Well, it costed me the fortune of 7 euros ;) and I plan to wear it a little :)

nothing to thank Italian-wiseguy.
Thank you Steve.
Tomorow i post picture of my new Hückel.

Chepstow
10-20-2011, 11:20 AM
I just looked at my sweatband on my Peschel Homburg and it also has 3 sets of numbers:

5:16
5:16
5:16

and my Chisnall also has something similar:
H-E-(unreadable)
I-I-(unreadable)
H-E-(unreadable)

The 5:16 is probably a continuous production number of the sweat band leather manufacturer
the others do not know maybe, Steve knows something

Chepstow
10-21-2011, 02:32 AM
photos of my new Hückel, the condition is new. very small tiny ribbon. instead pinches the front side pinches.
This is the original state. The liner is stitched. under the Sweatband a stamp with FLEXIBLE. No Paper label inside.
What do you mean Steve

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9427/hckels.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2608/hckels1.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/462/hckels2.jpg
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/6310/hckels3.jpg

mayserwegener
10-21-2011, 07:28 AM
Manfred, Another great find! The ribbon width and bow treatment are super. It has a Western feel to it with the side dents and thinner ribbon. My guess is late 50s early to mid 1960s.

The "Flexible" is a model name that goes back to JHS (Neutitschein, Austria, Novy Jicin, Czech Republic) but at that time it was for Melone.

http://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/6-johann-huckel%c2%b4s-sohne-huckel-hutfabrik-weilheim/page__view__findpost__p__467

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6007/5961792977_ae0b1b5703_b.jpg

Chepstow
10-21-2011, 07:47 AM
Manfred, Another great find! The ribbon width and bow treatment are super. It has a Western feel to it with the side dents and thinner ribbon. My guess is late 50s early to mid 1960s.

The "Flexible" is a model name that goes back to JHS (Neutitschein, Austria, Novy Jicin, Czech Republic) but at that time it was for Melone.

http://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/6-johann-huckel%c2%b4s-sohne-huckel-hutfabrik-weilheim/page__view__findpost__p__467

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6007/5961792977_ae0b1b5703_b.jpg

Thanks Steve thats very intresting. with the age of the hat I think you're correct
I did not know that the concept " FLEXIBLE" has also been used for melons.

I have Photos from the Resistol i won on Ebay.
I post it in the New Hat Threat.
Your opinion is important to me, especially with respect to the gift of LBJohnson F.von Eckardt
Do you think the hat is from the 50s or 60s?

mayserwegener
10-21-2011, 08:00 AM
Manfred, Yes it does seem strange considering Melone are stiff hats. At that time there was a movement to market less rigid more self conforming Melone (Bowler, Derby). German Melone are less rigid compared to British Bowlers and American Derbies of that time period and earlier.

Does the Resistol have a stitched liner? It looks early to mid 1960s to me. Is the box original? I would also post photos of it on the Resistol thread.

Chepstow
10-21-2011, 08:04 AM
The Liner is stitched Steve

mayserwegener
10-21-2011, 08:10 AM
I would say late 50s early 60s but it would be a good idea to post photos at this link since I am not really up on Resistols. Make sure to mention that it has a stitched liner.

http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?42092-The-Resistol-Roundup/page34

Chepstow
10-21-2011, 08:14 AM
I would say early 60s but it would be a good idea to post photos at this link since I am not really up on Resistols. Make sure to mention that it has a stitched liner.

http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?42092-The-Resistol-Roundup/page34

Thanks Steve, i have postet it on the Resistol Roundup

davidraphael
10-24-2011, 06:25 AM
Last weekend, In Mannheim, I went to one of the biggest flea markets I have I ever seen. It took nearly fours to look around....But I did not find ONE vintage hat, not a single one. Unbelievable.
(I was also looking for a hat stretcher, but of course that was even less likely)

I guess people from Mannheim did not wear hats (though as we know there were a couple of hutmachers in the neighbourhood)

I think the problem with Southern Germany and Bavaria is that if someone was going to spend X100s on a hat they would have been more likely to buy trachten than any other kind of hat. This of course wouldn't have happened in North Germany.

Anyway...

I've just found out that the town of Lindenberg (where the Mayser hat factory is) has an annual 'hat day' celebration. The whole town takes part.... Maybe I will have more luck there when I visit in May.

Chepstow
10-24-2011, 06:50 AM
Last weekend, In Mannheim, I went to one of the biggest flea markets I have I ever seen. It took nearly fours to look around....But I did not find ONE vintage hat, not a single one. Unbelievable.
(I was also looking for a hat stretcher, but of course that was even less likely)

I guess people from Mannheim did not wear hats (though as we know there were a couple of hutmachers in the neighbourhood)

I think the problem with Southern Germany and Bavaria is that if someone was going to spend X100s on a hat they would have been more likely to buy trachten than any other kind of hat. This of course wouldn't have happened in North Germany.

Anyway...

I've just found out that the town of Lindenberg (where the Mayser hat factory is) has an annual 'hat day' celebration. The whole town takes part.... Maybe I will have more luck there when I visit in May.

yes your right David most people in South Germany wear trachten Hats.
i was on a flea market last week too but i didnt find a hat
i found at last week always old Trachten Hats mostly dirty and the sweatband dirty and demolished

Mario
10-24-2011, 07:05 AM
I think a general problem with vintage hats and other attire (especially stuff from the 30's and 40's) in Germany is that a lot, if not most of the stuff simply got burned in in the fires of WWII - or worn to death in the years after the war.

Chepstow
10-24-2011, 07:35 AM
I think a general problem with vintage hats and other attire (especially stuff from the 30's and 40's) in Germany is that a lot, if not most of the stuff simply got burned in in the fires of WWII - or worn to death in the years after the war.

Ja da könnte was wahres dran sein.
in the last weeks I was able to buy many great hats, Borsalino Panizza one other unknown brands.That what you want find you find it on ebay, but ist mostly more expensive as on a flea market.
Don't give up
on the flea market the next hat is mine:D

mayserwegener
10-24-2011, 10:55 AM
I think a general problem with vintage hats and other attire (especially stuff from the 30's and 40's) in Germany is that a lot, if not most of the stuff simply got burned in in the fires of WWII - or worn to death in the years after the war.

Definitely major factors but Italy is far worse. There are a good number of old Zylinder and Melone available. They were more prized at the time plus current day Karneval demand. I often hear from sellers that find old soft felt hats when cleaning out houses (see that dusty old Velour I just won). I also see some nice old hats pop up from Austrian sources. Based on pre 1940 American news paper ads I would expect to find more Austrian Velours but I have only found one JHS on US eBay after looking for 6 years.

mayserwegener
10-24-2011, 11:14 AM
Ja da könnte was wahres dran sein.
in the last weeks I was able to buy many great hats, Borsalino Panizza one other unknown brands.That what you want find you find it on ebay, but ist mostly more expensive as on a flea market.
Don't give up
on the flea market the next hat is mine:D

There are good number of post 1950s soft felt city hats available. The problem is finding older ones like this fantastic pre 1940 Brüder Böhm Velour. Talk about rare! :)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6039/6277443806_3f48976dff_b.jpg

alanfgag
10-24-2011, 11:22 AM
auch der lieber... that is gorgeous.

mayserwegener
10-24-2011, 11:44 AM
Last weekend, In Mannheim, I went to one of the biggest flea markets I have I ever seen. It took nearly fours to look around....But I did not find ONE vintage hat, not a single one. Unbelievable.
(I was also looking for a hat stretcher, but of course that was even less likely)

I guess people from Mannheim did not wear hats (though as we know there were a couple of hutmachers in the neighbourhood)

I think the problem with Southern Germany and Bavaria is that if someone was going to spend X100s on a hat they would have been more likely to buy trachten than any other kind of hat. This of course wouldn't have happened in North Germany.

Anyway...

I've just found out that the town of Lindenberg (where the Mayser hat factory is) has an annual 'hat day' celebration. The whole town takes part.... Maybe I will have more luck there when I visit in May.

I don't think you are going find much at the Lindenberg Festival regarding men's vintage hats. They will mostly be modern Tracthen and maybe some modern city styles. By the way Mayser moved all hat production to Slovakia as of 2010.

I know some hat shops have old new stock but they usually only go back to the 1960s. From what I gaither customers are not interested so they keep them stored away.

Also here in America flea market antique mall finds are very regional. For example in the DC area where I live you may come across the occasional nice vintage find but they are far and few between. You move to say the Milwaukee area (see Buler) and the odds get much better.

Mario
10-24-2011, 03:11 PM
There are good number of post 1950s soft felt city hats available. The problem is finding older ones like this fantastic pre 1940 Brüder Böhm Velour. Talk about rare! :)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6039/6277443806_3f48976dff_b.jpg

It takes quite a lot of patience but every now and some of those nice velours turn up on the German Ebay. Trouble is that most of them are black.

mayserwegener
10-24-2011, 03:16 PM
But if you look really close there are other colors. :)

Mario
10-24-2011, 03:17 PM
Hard to tell...I always wear pink sunglasses when I'm at the computer... :eeek: :D

Chepstow
10-24-2011, 09:22 PM
Hard to tell...I always wear pink sunglasses when I'm at the computer... :eeek: :D

:eeek::mad::cool::D Thats good

mayserwegener
10-25-2011, 07:14 AM
Size 58cm, gray with an Antilope like finish. There is no maker mark only Präzentra on the liner. Has bug bites on the top but not noticible while wearing. Probably mid 1960s maybe a bit later.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6236/6279643947_5a7cefda4c_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6099/6279649389_4e33c3772c_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6214/6280138262_91327085e8_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6051/6280139740_7a85f76b8f_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6059/6280140314_114ba6241a_b.jpg

Chepstow
10-25-2011, 07:42 AM
Size 58cm, gray with an Antilope like finish. There is no maker mark only Präzentra on the liner. Has bug bites on the top but not noticible while wearing. Probably mid 1960s maybe a bit later.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6236/6279643947_5a7cefda4c_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6099/6279649389_4e33c3772c_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6214/6280138262_91327085e8_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6051/6280139740_7a85f76b8f_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6059/6280140314_114ba6241a_b.jpg

Very nice beauty Steve, looks like a Mayser you have.The ribbon looks great
Today I was in a second hand shop.
When I looked as through the window I saw one hanging on a hat stand.
It was a Hückel Trachten hat. In almost new condition.
The sweatband without signs of wear.
The sweat band is stamped with 1969

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/9985/hckeltracht.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2928/hckeltracht1.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3898/hckeltracht2.jpg
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6303/hckeltracht3.jpg

Chepstow
10-25-2011, 07:43 AM
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6396/hckeltracht6.jpg
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/4508/hckeltracht5.jpg
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2364/hckeltracht4.jpg

mayserwegener
10-25-2011, 08:04 AM
Manfred, That is a nice Hückel Weilheim Trachten. You can tell they made really nice hats even into the late 1960s.

There is a paper label in the Präzentra but no company information. Probably just another no name shop model common to that time period.

Chepstow
10-25-2011, 08:40 AM
Manfred, That is a nice Hückel Weilheim Trachten. You can tell they made really nice hats even into the late 1960s.

There is a paper label in the Präzentra but no company information. Probably just another no name shop model common to that time period.

it's a shame would have liked to know who made it
Präzentra is a term used for all sorts of things.
I googled Präzentra bicycles, camera, lens, etc.

Yes the Hückel's really pretty and of good quality

mayserwegener
10-25-2011, 08:53 AM
Yes it would be interesting to know who made these non brand name hats. I have a good number from this time period from different unknown makers. You can see the quality difference compared to the brand names of the time like the Hückel you just posted. Still they were good quality for the price. We would all love to have a production hat made of this quality today.

Chepstow
10-26-2011, 06:14 AM
two new hats are arrived today the first one a Echter Mayser Grand Prix in gray
i think mid 1950 maybe early 1960
the other one a Wegener gray green mid 1970 to 1980
The Mayser are in very mint condition
Wegener lightly worn and in good condition


http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1065/echtermayser.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/3601/echtermayser1.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2584/echtermayser2.jpg
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/9030/echtermayser3.jpg
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/4945/echtermayser4.jpg

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1887/wegenerausseer.jpg
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4670/wegenerausseer1.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1613/wegenerausseer2.jpg
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/50/wegenerausseer3.jpg

mayserwegener
10-26-2011, 11:10 AM
Hückel (Weilheim) Chevreau, size 58cm, green. It's mid 1950s and with little to no wear and has the original paper sales tag. The felt color and finish (Antilope like) are fantastic. Also great overall construction and detail work .

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6216/6283840608_cf01d2b4e7_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6219/6283859950_e504701596_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6226/6283893338_af3b047f57_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6102/6283351555_93ccfd9c5d_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6118/6283387227_c11efd4b39_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6115/6283828768_2263da912e_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6212/6283913608_7fed5911b7_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6038/6283823022_8941988b59_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6034/6283307849_020c32c12f_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6046/6283823946_d91944e460_b.jpg

Joshbru3
10-26-2011, 11:15 AM
Hückel (Weilheim) Chevreau, size 58cm, green. It's mid 1950s and with little to no wear and has the original paper sales tag. The felt color and finish (Antilope like) are fantastic. Also great overall construction and detail work .
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6216/6283840608_cf01d2b4e7_b.jpg


Great find!! Its great to see some high quality photos of that one. I do love the color, but that finish looks incredible. The bow work is fantastic also. :eusa_clap:eusa_clap

mayserwegener
10-26-2011, 11:34 AM
Josh, Thanks! It also fits perfect so I am very pleased.

rlk
10-26-2011, 11:40 AM
Very nice indeed. US sizing rather than UK too on tag.

mayserwegener
10-26-2011, 12:04 PM
Dermotta Wien Homburg, size 58cm, gray. I believe I have seen hats from this company before but I will have to do some research. The seller and original owner are the same as the Hückel (Weilheim) Chevreau with a date stamp of 12/55. This is a high quality hat with a very nice felt (other colors mixed with the gray) and finish. Also in excellent condition.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6094/6283981588_5d6a0729d5_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6032/6283980702_5a2b4a922d_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6033/6283983210_1f88365134_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6113/6283528017_d757734ec2_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6060/6283537899_cbdb67036e_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6215/6283467963_408f5154da_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6098/6283468775_b081e5f496_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6055/6283467327_0031e680fc_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6094/6283459187_80b948bc64_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6049/6283978208_0201d7e3d2_b.jpg

davidraphael
10-26-2011, 01:15 PM
wow, great hats appearing!
where do you find them?!


I'd kill for the grey 'burg!

mayserwegener
10-26-2011, 01:29 PM
Robert, Thanks! The USA size could be due to Bavaria being in the USA sector.

David-Raphael, Thanks! They were on German eBay (same seller) and I got a really good deal for both of them especially considering their great condition.

DOUGLAS
10-26-2011, 02:37 PM
Wow, both are gorgeous!

150719541
10-26-2011, 08:06 PM
Steve: once again "CONGRATULAIONS", great hats ¡¡¡¡

Chepstow
10-26-2011, 09:02 PM
Nice finds Steve That Hückel is fantastic. I have seen it On Bay too large for me[huh]
Also that Dermotta.
My Hückel Trachten are stamped under the sweat band with Chevreau.

davidraphael
10-26-2011, 11:07 PM
David-Raphael, Thanks! They were on German eBay (same seller) and I got a really good deal for both of them especially considering their great condition.

I don't know how I'm missing these beauties. I watch German ebay every day and didn't see either of those come up. I must be browsing wrong somehow :(

Chepstow
10-27-2011, 02:36 AM
Try this one david its a specially Browser for Ebay with many search options. easy to use. your finds be better.

http://www.lauge.de/

davidraphael
10-27-2011, 04:40 AM
Try this one david its a specially Browser for Ebay with many search options. easy to use. your finds be better.

http://www.lauge.de/

Thanks a lot! I'll use this in future!

mayserwegener
10-27-2011, 09:08 AM
Douglas, 150719541, Manfred, Thank You!

mayserwegener
10-27-2011, 10:07 AM
Elegant & Leger German or Austrian black (with some other colors mixed in) Back Bow Velour. I can't make out the coat of arms (help appreciated) but probably Prussian or Habsburg. The Velour is thick & plush with a wide over welt. There is no paper label or company marks but possible this one is from around WWI.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6222/6286592710_0150de1217_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6101/6286602794_fef4903d08_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6100/6286093261_551c546186_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6103/6286620656_f0d4ee55cd_b.jpg

Coat of Arms?

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6212/6286631006_39a4170a01_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6094/6286005815_28eacd2765_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6238/6286522802_3180408a26_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6044/6286000511_6a932a99c9_b.jpg

Owner or Maker?

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6238/6285999731_cdaff5c95f_b.jpg

Chepstow
10-28-2011, 02:13 AM
Elegant & Leger German or Austrian black (with some other colors mixed in) Back Bow Velour. I can't make out the coat of arms (help appreciated) but probably Prussian or Habsburg. The Velour is thick & plush with a wide over welt. There is no paper label or company marks but possible this one is from around WWI.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6222/6286592710_0150de1217_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6101/6286602794_fef4903d08_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6100/6286093261_551c546186_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6103/6286620656_f0d4ee55cd_b.jpg

Coat of Arms?

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6212/6286631006_39a4170a01_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6094/6286005815_28eacd2765_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6238/6286522802_3180408a26_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6044/6286000511_6a932a99c9_b.jpg

Owner or Maker?

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6238/6285999731_cdaff5c95f_b.jpg

Wow Steve you are the King of Velour Hats, what a Beauty, you be right with Austrian Hat.
The Eagle looks like Austrian - - Preußen - - or Schlesien

The name I think is the owner of the Hat.

Chepstow
10-28-2011, 02:14 AM
Elegant & Leger German or Austrian black (with some other colors mixed in) Back Bow Velour. I can't make out the coat of arms (help appreciated) but probably Prussian or Habsburg. The Velour is thick & plush with a wide over welt. There is no paper label or company marks but possible this one is from around WWI.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6222/6286592710_0150de1217_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6101/6286602794_fef4903d08_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6100/6286093261_551c546186_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6103/6286620656_f0d4ee55cd_b.jpg

Coat of Arms?

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6212/6286631006_39a4170a01_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6094/6286005815_28eacd2765_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6238/6286522802_3180408a26_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6044/6286000511_6a932a99c9_b.jpg

Owner or Maker?

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6238/6285999731_cdaff5c95f_b.jpg

Wow Steve you are the King of Velour Hats, what a Beauty, you be right with Austrian Hat.
The Eagle looks like Austrian - - Preußen - - or Schlesien

The name I think is the owner of the Hat.

Chepstow
10-28-2011, 02:23 AM
Steve I post the paper label from the Borsalino Qualita Speciale on Borsalino Brotherhood

Chepstow
10-30-2011, 11:29 AM
bought today, one has also the name of Homburger Homburger
Very nice not cheap quality very good condition

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5821/homburg.jpg
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/1525/homburg1.jpg
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7400/homburg2.jpg
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4727/homburg3.jpg

mayserwegener
10-30-2011, 09:38 PM
Manfred, Thank you taking a look at the coat of arms. Interesting regarding possibility of it being Silesian. I found a person on the Web that collects WWI era millitary medals and it he thought the eagle looked Prussian but not the crown so that might point to Silesia.

I replied on the Borsalino thread.

Nice find with the Homburg! Was that a flea market find?

Chepstow
10-31-2011, 09:41 AM
Nothink to thank Steve.
Yes Steve the Homburg was a flea market find. cost 6 EUR. its fits perfectly.

hatophile
10-31-2011, 09:51 AM
That must be the real thing if it's a Homburger!

davidraphael
10-31-2011, 11:34 PM
I'm really quite pleased with my new hat stretcher. I've seen one of this type with a little measuring guide attached. The stretch range in size 56-61.

It's German, no idea how old - 50's/60s? Maybe newer? It looks like it has never been used. The company that made it - Riefenstahl & Co. Hutformen u. Zubehör - is still in business making hat forms/blocks and accessories.

It's is currently trying to stretch a 1950s/60s homburg to my size...(the Peschel I bought a while back)

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/5483/img5447h.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/img5447h.jpg/) Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)
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Chepstow
11-01-2011, 12:11 AM
David again beautiful part
Wuppertal is 17 km away from me

Dreispitz
11-01-2011, 09:22 AM
Wow Steve you are the King of Velour Hats, what a Beauty, you be right with Austrian Hat.
The Eagle looks like Austrian - - Preußen - - or Schlesien

The name I think is the owner of the Hat.

Concerning the eagle I´d vote for Brandenburg.


http://youtu.be/_XB3H870yOs

Chepstow
11-01-2011, 09:36 AM
Concerning the eagle I´d vote for Brandenburg.


http://youtu.be/_XB3H870yOs

Brandenburg yes, it could also be Dreispitz
nice Video lol:eusa_doh:

mayserwegener
11-01-2011, 01:20 PM
Dieter, Great to hear from you! I am pretty sure you are correct about it being Brandenburg. Thanks!

http://www.ngw.nl/int/dld/images/branden3.jpg

The crown appears to be similar including the top ornament.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6051/6304063356_02e286b186_m.jpg

zetwal
11-01-2011, 01:32 PM
Interesting image ~


http://www.ngw.nl/int/dld/images/branden3.jpg

mayserwegener
11-01-2011, 10:00 PM
David again beautiful part
Wuppertal is 17 km away from me

It would be interesting to see what else they have available. I couldn't find a company web site.

Mario
11-02-2011, 05:47 AM
Brandenburg yes, it could also be Dreispitz
nice Video lol:eusa_doh:

Ach ja, der Rainald...immer wieder ein innerer Blumengarten...! ;) :D

Chepstow
11-02-2011, 09:59 AM
It would be interesting to see what else they have available. I couldn't find a company web site.

That is what I found Steve
You get Hat accessories by Riefenstahl in Wuppertal (call and ask for brochures, telephone number, the Internet, Riefenstahl has no website) or to a much larger selection at judithm.com

This is a Riefenstahl product :
http://www.flickr.com/photos/67855182@N00/3022087788/lightbox/

mayserwegener
11-02-2011, 10:23 AM
Manfred, Thanks! I will try making contact with them. I was thinking they were a manufacturer or at least of this stretcher. I was hoping they might have other types of stretchers. I know of this judithm.com but they are just a supplier.

Chepstow
11-02-2011, 10:48 AM
Manfred, Thanks! I will try making contact with them. I was thinking they were a manufacturer or at least of this stretcher. I was hoping they might have other types of stretchers. I know of this judithm.com but they are just a supplier.

I know it is building a machine and forms
probably also specialized in the manufacture of hats

mayserwegener
11-02-2011, 11:39 AM
Ach ja, der Rainald...immer wieder ein innerer Blumengarten...! ;) :D

Bradenburg is a walk in the park compared to most parts of Baltimore (see Detroit, ect). :)

Chepstow
11-05-2011, 10:53 AM
today at the flea market I could buy two hats
Once Anton Pichler Graz Trachten hat of 1964
Mayser Milz carat Homburger in almost unworn condition.
Unfortunately, the previous owner tried to remove his name tag and thus damaged the sweat band.
I glued on the back of a leather strip to protect it from further tearing.
Otherwise, top condition


http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3407/antonpichler.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8317/antonpichler1.jpg
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2673/antonpichler2.jpg

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/921/maysermilzhomburger.jpg
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/3451/maysermilzhomburger1.jpg
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2227/maysermilzhomburger2.jpg
http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/3033/maysermilzhomburger3.jpg

mayserwegener
11-05-2011, 07:01 PM
Manfred, Nice finds. I have been on the lookout for an older Pitchler (Anton or Josef) city style wider brim but no luck.

Chepstow
11-05-2011, 09:42 PM
Thank you Steve
The older Pichler are hard to find. I whish you a good luck.

Chepstow
11-06-2011, 07:17 AM
today i visited a flea market in Düsseldorf
that is what i find

a Hückel Chevreau in deep blue
a Mayser Garant in black
a Mayser Ausseer
a Princeton Hat from Boston
a Walker Homburger

but look self

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/7026/find1.jpg

the Hückel in very good condition
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/7198/hckelchevreau.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3963/hckelchevreau1.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4576/hckelchevreau2.jpg
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7259/hckelchevreau3.jpg


a Mayser Ausseer
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4095/mayserausseer.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/517/mayserausseer1.jpg
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/3243/mayserausseer2.jpg

Chepstow
11-06-2011, 07:18 AM
Mayser Garant
http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/1583/maysergarant.jpg
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/8602/maysergarant1.jpg
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/9308/maysergarant2.jpg

and the Homburger in great condition
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/3028/walkerhomburg.jpg
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/3528/walkerhomburg1.jpg
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/6928/walkerhomburg2.jpg
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2750/walkerhomburg3.jpg

Chepstow
11-13-2011, 04:25 AM
The Hat Hunter was Hunting, that's what I shot there :D
The first a Persia Homburger wide brim from the 60er with very good felt Quality

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/683/persia.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2653/persia1.jpg
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4304/persia2.jpg
http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/1112/persia3.jpg
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6228/persia4c.jpg
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/4364/persia5.jpg

Chepstow
11-13-2011, 04:26 AM
a Wegener "Super" Homburger from 1965

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/8499/wegenersuper.jpg
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/1979/wegenersuper1.jpg
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9262/wegenersuper2.jpg
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8993/wegenersuper3.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6069/wegenersuper4.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2949/wegenersuper5.jpg

Chepstow
11-13-2011, 04:27 AM
and a Windsor Fedora from 1962

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6131/windsor.jpg
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/244/windsor1.jpg
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/4912/windsor2.jpg
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1569/windsor3.jpg

mayserwegener
11-13-2011, 07:51 AM
Manfred, The Persia Homburg looks really nice. Very interesting bow work. Again another maker mark with no company name (just "S"). I think the Wegener falls into the German Homburg / Fedora style you see around the late 1950s early 1960s. The date stamps are helpful because you can see when they switched to gluing the liners. Germany has the same time line as the USA in that regard. Austrian and especially Italian makers stuck with hand stitiching longer.

rlk
11-13-2011, 08:47 AM
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-iZw8mQsT1Rk/Tr_lmCLzFII/AAAAAAAABbQ/C0WVKdAYMBI/s800/Screen%252520shot%2525202011-11-13%252520at%2525209.35.43%252520AM.png

Chepstow
11-13-2011, 08:59 AM
Thank you Steve, the Persia is a wide Brim with 7 cm Brim
It looks great, already looks like an old Western Hat.

Chepstow
11-13-2011, 09:03 AM
fabulous photo Robert, fabulous photo, interesting hat he wears.
Looks like a Homburger carded down

mayserwegener
11-13-2011, 09:14 AM
Great photo! I am not sure what it would be called but I do want one. :)

Chepstow
11-13-2011, 09:24 AM
Steve I found some infos about your Club of Hatmaker

Johann Heinrich JTA

Johann Heinrich JTA, the name sometimes written Ita, (* 1850;? † 10 January 1915) was an Austrian hatter during the imperial Monarchy. [1]
Biography [edit]
Small advertisements from JTA with his unique brand Fabriks (1906)
Villa on the JTA Linzerstrasse 146 in Penzing

Johann Heinrich JTA was a prominent hat maker in Vienna. His company was very successful during his lifetime he was awarded with several honors. He was financial consultant and president of the Club of the Austrian hat manufacturers. Among his customers included, among other things, the imperial court, he later became a kuk Court-appointed hat manufacturers. Jta chamber was also a supplier of Archduke Joseph. The factory and the counting were at the Linzer Straße 140 in 13 District of Vienna. [2]

He was married to Julie JTA. Together they had several children: Hermine, Ludwig and Gustav JTA. Hermione married Edmund Thilo. Grandchildren were Henry, John and Paul JTA.

Johann Heinrich died on 10 JTA January 1915 by a stroke. He was buried according to Protestant rites at the cemetery of St. Helena in Baden near Vienna



1853 came Peter Habig (born 29 January 1839 in Salmünster, † January 4, 1916 in Vienna) and his distant cousin Francis Auhl to Vienna and earned first 5 years as a hatter. In 1858 he was acquitted in Korneuburg.

He married Adelaide, daughter of Francis Auhl. At her wedding, she brought a dowry of a detail of her father's business, which he led until 1866. From 1865, his brother Carl assisted in the operation.

Habig erected in 1867 a small workshop, which were very popular in silk hats and the so-called "Chemisse Galette" is produced. 1871 Peter Habig was his brother Carl to Compagnon of the company since the company was called "P. & C. Habig ". In 1870, the brothers won the gold medal at the international exhibition in Kassel. The award "Hors concours Juror" which they won at the Vienna World Exhibition of 1873 brought them additional recognition in high places.

Both their hat factory opened in 1882 on the street Wiedner. Equipped with the latest machines could achieve Habig hot cakes. Businesses were at the Wiedner Hauptstrasse 15 directly next to the factory and at the Palais Todesco at the Carinthian road 51 where silk and felt hats were sold. In 1888, a store on the Friedrichstrasse in Berlin was opened in 82nd The heyday of the firm took place during the monarchy, as it KuK Chamber was allowed to call and farmyard hatter. Furthermore, P. & C. Habig was appointed purveyor of German Empress Auguste Victoria and the Prince Friedrich Leopold of Prussia. Supplies were also King Edward VII of Great Britain, George I and Peter I of Greece and Serbia IV, Grand Duke William of Luxembourg. Habig also a prominent sponsor of the magazine was The Other by Adolf Loos, who was an outspoken Aesthete.

With the success of Habig could make a great ensemble of buildings built in the early days of the factory architect Carl Henry and Adam Holzman. The so-called "Habig-Hof" was taking a complete work of apartments and retail space nearly an entire city block. You probably also directed the counting of the company downstairs.

More show success, the company won in Philadelphia (1876), Paris (1878), Antwerp (1885), Brussels (1888), Chicago (1893) and the "Grand Prix" in Paris in 1900.

Peter Habig was one of the founders of the Club of Austrian hat manufacturers, and was influential in the Vienna and the Austrian Hutmachergenossenschaft Hutmodenverein. He was also involved with socially and established loyalty bonuses for particularly long steady-earning employees. He was also a member of the tribunal of the Lower Austrian Trade Association and donated to the Technical Museum in Vienna, a maker of hats Musterwerkstättete as an exhibit.

For his services he received many awards including the Golden Cross of Merit with the Crown, the Franz Joseph Order, the Order of the Iron Crown III. Class, the Knight's Cross of the French Legion of Honor and was appointed financial consultant.

Peter Habig died in 1916 during the First World War and was buried at Central Cemetery. His tomb with grave monument was designed by Josef Engelhart.

After the First World War, tore off the main clientele, after the Second World War and the changing fashion tastes of the importance of the hat disappeared completely. The business at the Friedrich Strasse was destroyed during the Second World War, the main business street in the Wiedner had to be abandoned because of cost. The heiress Barbara Habig leads to this day a small factory, with which they sprout pad ensures superior hats as a fashion accessory.

Adolf Fraenkel was the editor of the magazine at the 1906
infos Wikipedia

newturnofphrase
11-13-2011, 09:42 AM
Hello,

I was wondering if anyone has any information about this hutmacher. I acquired the top hat unintentionally as it came with a top hat bucket I bought recently on ebay. The seller didn't have any photos of the hat so I had no idea of its quality or make. I was pretty surprised when I saw that it was from "Adolf Hitler Str." Presumably it was made during the Third Reich period. This seemed like an appropriate thread to find out more.

http://torontotophats.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dscn1217.jpg
http://torontotophats.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dscn1206.jpg
http://torontotophats.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dscn1207.jpg

Chepstow
11-13-2011, 11:20 AM
newturnofphrase Please upload a picture of sweat band stamped

mayserwegener
11-13-2011, 02:19 PM
Manfred, Great information! I actually have an old (pre 1945) J. Heinr. ITA Homburg. I hope some where there are copies of this publication and also the German equivalent. I will have to take a day and visit the US Library of Congress and see if they have any information. Would also be a good idea to contact the German and Austrian archives.

From 1912.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6050/6334925263_bbbd2d6679_o.gif

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6039/6334925277_796b9113d5_o.gif

mayserwegener
11-13-2011, 02:35 PM
Hello,

I was wondering if anyone has any information about this hutmacher. I acquired the top hat unintentionally as it came with a top hat bucket I bought recently on ebay. The seller didn't have any photos of the hat so I had no idea of its quality or make. I was pretty surprised when I saw that it was from "Adolf Hitler Str." Presumably it was made during the Third Reich period. This seemed like an appropriate thread to find out more.


I have a couple soft felt hats with Adolf Hitler Str. addresses (different cities) from that time period. I searched around some but couldn't find anything on Conrad Böhmery (I assume this is the maker). I am pretty sure I came across this name before but not sure where. Along with the sweatband stamp it would nice to see a photo of the paper label behind the sweatband (assuming it has one).

newturnofphrase
11-13-2011, 03:16 PM
I have a couple soft felt hats with Adolf Hitler Str. addresses (different cities) from that time period. I searched around some but couldn't find anything on Conrad Böhmery (I assume this is the maker). I am pretty sure I came across this name before but not sure where. Along with the sweatband stamp it would nice to see a photo of the paper label behind the sweatband (assuming it has one).

I'll take some photos of those things and post them soon. The seller told me that it belonged to his grandfather. It's still in the original bucket, which has a label giving the owner's full name (same initials as the gilt letters on the lining).

mayserwegener
11-13-2011, 03:34 PM
The gilt letters are fantastic! Also appears to be in great condition. I am pretty sure "Jhn. Willi Schmidt" was the retail store in Essen but might not have survived WII. I couldn't find anything online.

Chepstow
11-13-2011, 09:46 PM
Manfred, Great information! I actually have an old (pre 1945) J. Heinr. ITA Homburg. I hope some where there are copies of this publication and also the German equivalent. I will have to take a day and visit the US Library of Congress and see if they have any information. Would also be a good idea to contact the German and Austrian archives.

From 1912.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6050/6334925263_bbbd2d6679_o.gif

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6039/6334925277_796b9113d5_o.gif

Thats a good idea Steve.

mayserwegener
11-15-2011, 09:51 AM
Manfred,

The "S" is Schneider of Köln. Friedrich W. Schneider (FWS) are currently Stetson Europe.

http://www.stetson-europe.com/53-1-FWS-History.html

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/4364/persia5.jpg

Chepstow
11-15-2011, 10:38 AM
Manfred,

The "S" is Schneider of Köln. Friedrich W. Schneider (FWS) are currently Stetson Europe.

http://www.stetson-europe.com/53-1-FWS-History.html

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/4364/persia5.jpg

Wow Steve, how did you know that.
Have you ever seen the Label before.

mayserwegener
11-15-2011, 10:51 AM
Yes I have a hat with the same label that I received from my friend at Hut-Neubarth Augsburg. I asked him about the logo and he said that it was FWS.

Chepstow
11-15-2011, 11:14 AM
that's great, then adds one part to another. Like a mosaic.
Steve thank you very much for your search.
Do you know more about your Hatter Gazette

mayserwegener
11-15-2011, 02:27 PM
Do you know more about your Hatter Gazette

The US Library of Congress said that the British Library might have copies. I am checking with them but haven't heard back yet. I also sent an e-mail to the German National Archives. The US Library of Congress said the Austrian National Library has copies of the Austro-Hungarian Hatters' Gazette. I sent the Austrian National Library an e-mail but haven't heard back.

Chepstow
11-16-2011, 11:01 AM
I hope you have success steve
it will certainly need some time until you get an answer

mayserwegener
11-16-2011, 11:44 AM
I heard back from the British Library (see below) so I will attempt to order paper copies of their holdings.

"We do hold some issues of the Deutsche Hutmacher-Zeitung, although not a complete run. According to our catalogue we have:

Jahrgang 38 no 1 (6 Jan 1906) - Jahrgang 46 no 52 (29 Dez 1914) and Jahrgang 52 no 2 (10 Jan 1920) -Jahrgang 53 no 52 (25 Dez 1921), with some additional issues missing, in the general library collections, shelfmark P.P.5242.bbd.
Jahrgang 54. Nr.1 (7 Jan.1922 ) - Jahrgang 60 .Nr.52 (29 Dec.1928) on microfilm in the Newspaper Library collections, shelfmark MF352A NPL

The German Union Catalogue of Serials (http://www.zeitschriftendatenbank.de/) also identifies holdings, although none appear to be complete, at the Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin, the Deutsche Nationalbibliothek in Leipzig and the Universitäts- und Stadtbibliothek Köln.
"

Here is what is available at the Berlin State Library. I sent them an e-mail so will update when I receive a reply back.

BER <1> Berlin SBB store operator d.Linden


Library: BER <1> Berlin SBB store operator d.Linden
Basic signature: 4 "Op 896
Inventory: 42.1910 - 45.1913, 56.1924 - 57.1925,26, 61.1929, 63.1931, 67.1935, 1938
Interlibrary Loan: yes, just copy


Library: BER <1> Berlin SBB store operator d.Linden
Basic signature: Op 896 MF
Inventory: 55.1923 [Masterfiche]
Interlibrary Loan: yes
Grandfathering: Master microform available


Library: BER <1> Berlin SBB store operator d.Linden
Basic signature: 2 "Op 896
Inventory: 30.1898 - 31.1899, 40.1908
Interlibrary Loan: yes, just copy


Library: BER <1> Berlin SBB store operator d.Linden
Basic signature: 4 "Op 896 <a>
Inventory: 55.1923 [Only usable as microfiche]
Interlibrary Loan: yes

Chepstow
11-16-2011, 09:35 PM
Thats great News Steve. Congrats.
I'm curious how such a newspaper looks

mayserwegener
11-17-2011, 06:27 PM
Echter Mayser Box Bow, size 59cm. Probably early 1960s. Interesting bow work on this one.

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Chepstow
11-17-2011, 09:27 PM
That's a very nice looking hat Steve. The Bow Work is fantastic.
He even has a hat cord, very rare to find.
Great find Steve, Congrats

bowlerman
11-17-2011, 09:37 PM
Oh, MAN, Steve. That is a HAT. sublime.

mayserwegener
11-18-2011, 06:40 AM
Manfred & Bowlerman, Thanks! It turn out to be a nice one.

Aureliano
11-18-2011, 06:42 AM
Beautiful, Steve! is the ribbon gray/silver? ir is that just the flash?

mayserwegener
11-18-2011, 06:50 AM
Thats great News Steve. Congrats.
I'm curious how such a newspaper looks

The Austrian National Library has nearly a complete set of Wiener Hutmacher-Zeitung / Österreichisch-Ungarische Hutmacher-Zeitung / Hutmacher-Zeitung. I am going to order a complete set for 1912 and eventually one complete set from each decade.

"The Austrian National Library is in hold of the following years of the Hutmacher-Zeitung (title varies: at the beginning Wiener Hutmacher-Zeitung, at the end of the 19th century until 1918: Österreichisch-Ungarische Hutmacher-Zeitung; from 1919 onwards Hutmacher-Zeitung): 1885-94. 1897. 1902-1938. "

I think they will end up looking something like this collection I saw at the Novy Jicin Museum (Czech Republic). This publication was for Sudetenland and Boheimia hat industry. I should also look into a German version of this publication.

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Chepstow
11-18-2011, 07:08 AM
thats fantastic Steve. If the newspaper is there, you post some picture of it?

Chepstow
11-18-2011, 07:20 AM
The Austrian National Library has nearly a complete set of Wiener Hutmacher-Zeitung / Österreichisch-Ungarische Hutmacher-Zeitung / Hutmacher-Zeitung. I am going to order a complete set for 1912 and eventually one complete set from each decade.

"The Austrian National Library is in hold of the following years of the Hutmacher-Zeitung (title varies: at the beginning Wiener Hutmacher-Zeitung, at the end of the 19th century until 1918: Österreichisch-Ungarische Hutmacher-Zeitung; from 1919 onwards Hutmacher-Zeitung): 1885-94. 1897. 1902-1938. "

I think they will end up looking something like this collection I saw at the Novy Jicin Museum (Czech Republic). This publication was for Sudetenland and Boheimia hat industry. I should also look into a German version of this publication.

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steve, this old Book is marvelous. Have you got much any other puplications

mayserwegener
11-18-2011, 07:30 AM
Manfred, Unfortunately this book doesn't belong to me. :) It belongs to the Novy Jicin Museum, Czech Republic. They have the complete collection up to the 1970s but they haven't had them scanned. Novy Jicin (was Neutitschein up to WWI) is the city Hückel and Peschel were originally from and others such as Pitchler and Brüder Böhm had factories. Neutitschein was the epicenter of Austrian Velour (finest in the world) production. I visited the Novy Jicin museum and TONAK factory (was Hückel up to 1945) back in April.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/26044488@N04/sets/72157626379615437/

Chepstow
11-18-2011, 07:47 AM
This are amazing Photos Steve, and Hats of course

mayserwegener
11-18-2011, 08:09 AM
If you ever in that area of the Czech Republic I would highly recommend a visit.

Chepstow
11-18-2011, 09:28 AM
Yes Steve I think so too. That is a place that a man must have seen

Joshbru3
11-21-2011, 02:34 PM
1913 Huckel Ad (American Hatter)

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/joshbru3/1913HuckelAdAmericanHatter.jpg

mayserwegener
11-21-2011, 03:27 PM
Josh, Thank you for posting! The American Hatter is great source of information.

The JHS factory (now TONAK) today.

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This is the original factory building that sticks out at the left in the ad photo.

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Chepstow
11-26-2011, 09:45 AM
Today i was on a flea Market in Dortmund. I was lucky to find a few more hats
First a Mayser Brooklyn in light Browm with a nice multicolor Ribbon.

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Chepstow
11-26-2011, 09:45 AM
then a Sauerland featherweight, we already know that this is from the company Fiebig Iserlohn
" In Stad und Land trägt man Hüte Sauerland " its a comercial slogan of Fiebig in the fiftys

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Chepstow
11-26-2011, 09:46 AM
and last a Stanton Hats Fedora in mint condition. The paper Label shows F.W.S Köln. foundet 1910

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mayserwegener
11-29-2011, 01:28 PM
Deutsche Hutmacher-Zeitung (December 6, 1913, Vol. 45, No. 49)

Some what similar to The American Hatter and published weekly.

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Assorted Ads

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World's Lightest Fur Felt Hat (Patent Annoucement) Poster Ad

"Our patent wears better than shellac-stiffened feather light hats."

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mayserwegener
11-29-2011, 02:16 PM
Deutsche Hutmacher-Zeitung (December 6, 1913, Vol. 45, No. 49)

Assorted Ads (Cont.)

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mayserwegener
11-29-2011, 02:20 PM
Deutsche Hutmacher-Zeitung (December 6, 1913, Vol. 45, No. 49)

Assorted Ads (Cont.)

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mayserwegener
11-29-2011, 02:27 PM
Deutsche Hutmacher-Zeitung (December 6, 1913, Vol. 45, No. 49)

Assorted Ads (Cont.)

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mayserwegener
11-29-2011, 03:18 PM
Der Deustche Hutdetailist (December 6, 1913, Vol. 49)

This is a companion publication of the Deutsche Hutmacher-Zeitung and also published twice or more monthly. There is a lot of information in these publications.

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Assorted Ads

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mayserwegener
11-29-2011, 03:27 PM
Der Deustche Hutdetailist (December 6, 1913, Vol. 49)

Assorted Ads (Cont.)

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mayserwegener
11-29-2011, 03:30 PM
Der Deustche Hutdetailist (December 6, 1913, Vol. 49)

Assorted Ads (Cont.)

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zetwal
11-29-2011, 04:37 PM
I love that big one with the brooch. Wonderful!

Chepstow
11-29-2011, 09:51 PM
Steve amazing papers, much of them produced velour Hats.
Thats a great find Steve. Congrats.
Thanks for the post

mayserwegener
11-30-2011, 07:07 AM
Thanks! Velour was very popular during that time period especially the ones produced in Austria. I will put them up for download so you can take a look at the text. I should receive the Austrian publications in about a month. I was able to get a better sampling of those (1910 up to 1930s).

mayserwegener
11-30-2011, 07:34 AM
Deutsche Hutmacher-Zeitung (December 13, 1913, Vol. 45, No. 50)

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Assorted Ads that don't repeat from the previous issue.

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mayserwegener
11-30-2011, 07:38 AM
Deutsche Hutmacher-Zeitung (December 13, 1913, Vol. 45, No. 50)

Assorted Ads that don't repeat from the previous issue.

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mayserwegener
11-30-2011, 07:56 AM
Der Deustche Hutdetailist (December 13, 1913, Vol. 50)

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Store front display ideas for Christmas. The Hat Christmas tree is fantastic!

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mayserwegener
11-30-2011, 08:28 AM
Der Deustche Hutdetailist (December 13, 1913, Vol. 50)

Assorted Ads that don't repeat from the previous issue.

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The Wiser Hatter
11-30-2011, 09:06 AM
Cool stuff Steve love them now just have to sit down and translate them.:)

Joshbru3
11-30-2011, 09:34 AM
AMAZING collection of vintage ads, Steve!! Great work!!!

Chepstow
11-30-2011, 10:30 AM
Fantastic Steve, so much information about the Hat Factorys. The Christmas " Hat " tree :D Thats a good Idea.
my wife shot me down if I hang up hats in the tree.[huh]

mayserwegener
11-30-2011, 10:45 AM
Thanks!

Here are German fur and schellac prices from December 1913. 1 Dollar was around 4.20 Marks.

Biber = Beaver
Hasen, Kanin = Rabbit

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davidraphael
12-01-2011, 12:33 AM
Very nice ideed

Chepstow
12-01-2011, 11:57 AM
Steve, that's interesting. Cats on the List and Bisam rats

mayserwegener
12-01-2011, 04:53 PM
Yes I also noticed the Cats. :) I guess they were bred for fur? I will be on the look out for a Cat Velour Hut!

Still taking place in Switzerland.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/switzerland-finds-a-way-to-skin-a-cat-for-the-fur-trade-and-high-fashion-815426.html

Is a Bisam a Muskrat?

Mario
12-01-2011, 06:00 PM
Yes, Steve, that's right: Bisam or Bisamratte is the German word for Muskrat.

Chepstow
12-02-2011, 07:53 AM
Yes I also noticed the Cats. :) I guess they were bred for fur? I will be on the look out for a Cat Velour Hut!

Still taking place in Switzerland.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/switzerland-finds-a-way-to-skin-a-cat-for-the-fur-trade-and-high-fashion-815426.html

Is a Bisam a Muskrat?

Yes, Muskrat. Thanks Mario.
Steve, the Story of Cats in Switzerland, horrible.
Maybe some Velours from Muskrats. :eusa_clap

mayserwegener
12-02-2011, 08:42 AM
Mario & Manfred, Thank you both for the Bisam = Muskrat confirmation. I haven't come across a Muskrat/Bisam felt hat but I wouldn't be suprised if they were produced.

Chepstow
12-03-2011, 07:17 AM
Steve on flea market today this Mayser Trachten Dreispitz Hat was the results of a long walking at a rainy day. The Barbisio I found too, I postet it on the Barbisio thread.

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mayserwegener
12-04-2011, 11:38 AM
Nice Trachten find!

Chepstow
12-04-2011, 11:42 AM
Thanks Steve. yodel

Giftmacher
12-04-2011, 12:01 PM
Great and informative thread, thanks!

davidraphael
12-05-2011, 10:35 AM
My new German Wilke fedora. size 58.
Falsely advertised as a Tyrolean hunter's hat or trachten. It was also advertised as being blue!
I'm guessing 60s.

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Chepstow
12-05-2011, 10:45 AM
My new German Wilke fedora. size 58.
Falsely advertised as a Tyrolean hunter's hat or trachten. It was also advertised as being blue!
I'm guessing 60s.

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Wonderful Hat David, It looks old, but the Logo on the Liner is newer on.
I guess, mid 70 to 80
Look at Page 127 in this thread, thats mine.
http://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/16-wilke-hutfabrik/
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mayserwegener
12-05-2011, 11:14 AM
Wilke post 1945 remains a mystery. C.G. Wilke of Guben* didn't survive WII but the name emerged again (under some other company) in West Germany.

*The town of Guben (east of Berlin) was the major hat making center (numerous hat factories) of Germany up to WWII.

mayserwegener
12-05-2011, 04:27 PM
Added another J. Hückel´s Söhne pocket promo mirror to the collection.

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zetwal
12-05-2011, 04:42 PM
I love the look of that Tropen-form "Orkan" ...


Der Deustche Hutdetailist (December 13, 1913, Vol. 50)

Assorted Ads that don't repeat from the previous issue.

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mayserwegener
12-05-2011, 05:30 PM
The Orkan mark along with Bruno Sturm Hutmanufaktur are new to me. I will have to be on the look out for both. It is going take me some time to go through all the info in these publications.

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mayserwegener
12-05-2011, 06:00 PM
Brüder Böhm Wien Melone, measures out about 58cm but needs some conforming. This is the first Brüder Böhm I have come across from the Wien factory. There is no paper label behind the sweatband (that I can find) and no logo on the sweatband.

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mayserwegener
12-06-2011, 08:11 AM
Hut-Schick Wien Melone, measures about 59cm. Not sure if this is factory or just a retail store. From the same seller as the BB Melone.

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Chepstow
12-06-2011, 09:57 AM
Steve, Nice Melons. Hut Schick is a retailer Hat Shop. In the Text stands "Filialen"
Means, more shops of Hut Schick.
Look at this:
http://images-00.delcampe-static.net/img_large/auction/000/127/803/896_001.jpg
http://collectors-gate.com/ak/index.php?menu=92&shop=28267&alte-ansichtskarten=Hats___Caps
http://www.antiquepool.at/de/artikel/11171.html

mayserwegener
12-06-2011, 10:13 AM
Manfred, Thank you for the verification plus the Hut-Schick related links. There is no paper label so another mystery maker. Maybe the Austro-Hungarian Hatter's Gazette will eventually shed some light.

Chepstow
12-10-2011, 10:08 AM
My newest found today. Nice black Gubener Trachten Dreispitz. Size 59, with a large feather headdress

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/116/gubenerdreispitz.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/6845/gubenerdreispitz1.jpg
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/1091/gubenerdreispitz2.jpg
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3986/gubenerdreispitz3.jpg

Chepstow
12-10-2011, 10:14 AM
That is a very beautiful Mayser in mid gray. I love this hat. The felt is very thin and leight.
I have won the Auction, arrived today.
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/7919/maysergranit.jpg
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7271/maysergranit1.jpg
http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/669/maysergranit2.jpg
http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/6629/maysergranit3.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7559/maysergranit4.jpg

mayserwegener
12-10-2011, 10:22 PM
Manfred, The Echter Mayser is super! I really like the felt color and ribbon width + bow work. Also nice find with the Gubener Trachten.

150719541
12-11-2011, 12:01 PM
My newest found today. Nice black Gubener Trachten Dreispitz. Size 59, with a large feather headdress

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/116/gubenerdreispitz.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/6845/gubenerdreispitz1.jpg
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/1091/gubenerdreispitz2.jpg
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3986/gubenerdreispitz3.jpg
I like this clasic ¡¡¡

Chepstow
12-11-2011, 12:08 PM
Steve, 150719541, Thanks for the kind words. Trachten Hats are popular in Bavaria and Austria. Its very Clasic.

150719541
12-11-2011, 12:18 PM
Steve, 150719541, Thanks for the kind words. Trachten Hats are popular in Bavaria and Austria. Its very Clasic.
That´s write, I have 3 clasics and when I use any is wearing in trachten mode ¡¡¡

Chepstow
12-12-2011, 09:54 AM
Here are some of the Mayser I bought yesterday.
The black wide-brimmed, 1967, The black Mayser ASCONA of 1968 and the blue one from 1978 with a beautiful grosgrain ribbon.
All Hats in mint condition.

Mayser ASCONA 1968
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7101/mayserascona.jpg
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/1636/mayserascona1.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2238/mayserascona2.jpg
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9550/mayserascona3.jpg

Chepstow
12-12-2011, 09:57 AM
Mayser Milz in deep Blue. 1976

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5223/maysermilzblau.jpg
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/8468/maysermilzblau1.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/825/maysermilzblau2.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5953/maysermilzblau3.jpg

Chepstow
12-12-2011, 10:00 AM
Last one. Mayser Black from 1967. Very stiff felt.


http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/8170/mayserspezial.jpg
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/9904/mayserspezial1.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3761/mayserspezial2.jpg
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/7696/mayserspezial3.jpg

mayserwegener
12-12-2011, 12:13 PM
Manfred, Did the last one with the stitched liner have a date stamped on the inside of the sweatband?

Chepstow
12-12-2011, 12:25 PM
Steve, Yes sweatband stamped with 1967.

mayserwegener
12-12-2011, 06:03 PM
I wonder about these sweatband date stamps? I see them on German and Austrian hats but the question is who applied them? The oldest example I have is a 1940 Habig Homburg.

delectans
12-12-2011, 08:57 PM
You are really reeling in those Maysers, Manfred. :thumb:

Chepstow
12-12-2011, 09:29 PM
You are really reeling in those Maysers, Manfred. :thumb:

Thank you very much Al for the kind words. Yes, there's no shortage of Mayser. :D There is also a good company why they are found frequently

Chepstow
12-12-2011, 09:36 PM
I wonder about these sweatband date stamps? I see them on German and Austrian hats but the question is who applied them? The oldest example I have is a 1940 Habig Homburg.

Steve, that is a good question!
Stamped by the manufacturer or the retailer.
Mostly yes, the hat shop stands on the sweat band. Possible that a stamp on the
Attach sale.
What makes the hats possibly even older.

mayserwegener
12-12-2011, 10:28 PM
I agree they appear to be retail stamps. I would say the Mayser with the stitched liner is more like early 1960s. I will check into it and see if I can get an answer.

By the way the only hat company I have come across that consistently (going back to the early 1900s) displayed (on the paper label) the production year was P. & C. Habig.

This is the P. & C. Habig sweat band with a November 29, 1940 stamp.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3363/3433939137_5ae6bf7bf2_b.jpg

This is paper label from the same hat. The last two numbers are the production year ######/###/40.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3311/3434747114_78b46b3984_b.jpg

150719541
12-13-2011, 08:04 AM
I agree they appear to be retail stamps. I would say the Mayser with the stitched liner is more like early 1960s. I will check into it and see if I can get an answer.

By the way the only hat company I have come across that consistently (going back to the early 1900s) displayed (on the paper label) the production year was P. & C. Habig.

This is the P. & C. Habig sweat band with a November 29, 1940 stamp.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3363/3433939137_5ae6bf7bf2_b.jpg

This is paper label from the same hat. The last two numbers are the production year #

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3311/3434747114_78b46b3984_b.jpg

Chepstow & Steve , Congratulations ¡¡¡¡

Chepstow
12-13-2011, 10:22 AM
I agree they appear to be retail stamps. I would say the Mayser with the stitched liner is more like early 1960s. I will check into it and see if I can get an answer.

By the way the only hat company I have come across that consistently (going back to the early 1900s) displayed (on the paper label) the production year was P. & C. Habig.

This is the P. & C. Habig sweat band with a November 29, 1940 stamp.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3363/3433939137_5ae6bf7bf2_b.jpg

This is paper label from the same hat. The last two numbers are the production year ######/###/40.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3311/3434747114_78b46b3984_b.jpg

Steve- Sure, thats possible. Habig Date is same as the stamped. But Mayser has no system in stamped sweatbands.
I have also Maysers with no stamped in it.

Chepstow
12-13-2011, 10:26 AM
Chepstow & Steve , Congratulations ¡¡¡¡

Thanks for your kind words 150719541. Unfortunately we have found the solution yet completely.

Chepstow
12-13-2011, 10:28 AM
Steve. Do you have another Habig hat to compare

mayserwegener
12-13-2011, 01:52 PM
No other Habigs with a date stamp on the sweatband (that I can remember) but I believe the last number on the Habig paper label number is the year of production. The Habig paper label number format remains consistent into the 1960s.

mayserwegener
12-16-2011, 08:39 AM
This hat maker was out of East Germany (Ernst Gierisch, Zwickau) .

I contacted the DE eBay seller and this is what he had to say. I will have to check back with him on the current situation.

Google Translation.

"hello,

It is an ancient hatters and furriers (furrier) workshop, it was founded in 1887, all I have pictures on the ground was found in different chambers, there were produced until about 1960 hats and furs. I try this nice workshop closed for several weeks and sell it together but unfortunately this is not easy. It would be a shame to sell everything individually and tear apart. I'm still waiting for something then I have to go in the retail sale. 2 books in the small manufacturing concerns and care of fur.
salute to America,
regards uwe"


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http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7027/6521067295_8a87246b13_z.jpg

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http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7028/6521067107_21a29ee8c0_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7004/6521067061_0b07b8ce27_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7027/6521066989_e9169cd751_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7027/6521066953_6ef57b8295_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7145/6521066901_74c06b9cd1_z.jpg

Chepstow
12-16-2011, 08:53 AM
yes we have talked about it once. Nice thing matters

mayserwegener
12-16-2011, 10:58 AM
Would be nice to run into a find like this one. The hat display stands must go back a hundred years along most of the other stuff.

Ritterbruder
12-16-2011, 11:31 AM
Being German, and a hunter, I sometimes will wear my hunting hat. It's similar to the one in my display picture but a dark green colour instead. Its use is sacred, so I only really wear it for the hunt (and when the hunt is successful, I place a blood-soaked evergreen twig in on it), holidays, and special occasions.

Chepstow
12-16-2011, 12:52 PM
Would be nice to run into a find like this one. The hat display stands must go back a hundred years along most of the other stuff.

Steve- Yes you are right. Thats very fine Hats stands . A pity that he sold everything combined.


Being German, and a hunter, I sometimes will wear my hunting hat. It's similar to the one in my display picture but a dark green colour instead. Its use is sacred, so I only really wear it for the hunt (and when the hunt is successful, I place a blood-soaked evergreen twig in on it), holidays, and special occasions.

Welcome Ritterbruder to the Lounge and to the German & Austrian Hutmachers thread.
Thats a nice Ritual. Do you want posting Photos of the Hat? I would to see him.

Chepstow
12-17-2011, 12:08 PM
I found a Anton Pichler Graz today. Size 58, but It fits me with 56 The Quality named Igel. Very soft Felt. Maybe Wool

http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/4014/antonpichlerigel.jpg
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/860/antonpichlerigel1.jpg
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/101/antonpichlerigel2.jpg
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/1659/antonpichlerigel3.jpg

mayserwegener
12-17-2011, 12:46 PM
Very interesting finish! My guess would be fur. Looks like it has some color mix. I really like it!

Chepstow
12-17-2011, 02:11 PM
Thank you Steve - Yes its a little bit Multicolor. The fur you mean it is Fur, is Igel in English hedgehog . What do you think Steve, how old is it? I have no guess

Neophyte
12-17-2011, 02:13 PM
I like that finish! That's a cool hat for sure.

Chepstow
12-17-2011, 02:21 PM
I like that finish! That's a cool hat for sure.

Thank you very much Neophyte. Cool ist the right word for that. Its a very soft finish of felt. The color ist dark gray with white in it.

mayserwegener
12-17-2011, 03:11 PM
Thank you Steve - Yes its a little bit Multicolor. The fur you mean it is Fur, is Igel in English hedgehog . What do you think Steve, how old is it? I have no guess

My guess is rabbit/hare felt. I must say I do like the hedgehog look! How does it respond to a counter clockwise brush + steam?

mayserwegener
12-17-2011, 03:45 PM
Borchert Berlin W., size 59cm, back of sweatband stamped August 6, 1952. Could have been made by Rehfus & Cie. (Kehl a. Rhein) after factory reopened in 1951. Also the Borchert Berlin W. store location changed after WWII because the original location was in the Soviet sector.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7030/6527669353_540feae4b8_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7019/6527700775_b20bc2517d_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7146/6527748973_3ffe19f9eb_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7164/6527873337_d4ce4458be_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7006/6527861337_2198055e2f_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7168/6527881617_df478735cd_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7011/6527963061_c7356df5fe_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7017/6527964191_3d01b04e74_b.jpg

1913 ad showing Rehfus & Cie. as the maker of the C.W. Borchert Berlin W. mark.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7174/6441671877_6b3fa29e55_b.jpg

Chepstow
12-18-2011, 12:25 AM
My guess is rabbit/hare felt. I must say I do like the hedgehog look! How does it respond to a counter clockwise brush + steam?

Steve - I've tried, nothing changed. The felt is shorter as it looks on the Photo.

Chepstow
12-18-2011, 12:42 AM
Borchert Berlin W., size 59cm, back of sweatband stamped August 6, 1952. Could have been made by Rehfus & Cie. (Kehl a. Rhein) after factory reopened in 1951. Also the Borchert Berlin W. store location changed after WWII because the original location was in the Soviet sector.



1913 ad showing Rehfus & Cie. as the maker of the C.W. Borchert Berlin W. mark.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7174/6441671877_6b3fa29e55_b.jpg

That's a really Beautiful Hat Steve. The sweatband looks identical. See the margin in the sweat band
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/824/rehfus2.jpg

The form also.
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7696/rehfus4.jpg

mayserwegener
12-18-2011, 12:56 PM
I also noticed the day stamp on the sweat is the 6th (coincidence?) for both although different months / years.

mayserwegener
12-19-2011, 10:28 AM
Here is info on the BB finishing machines that were installed at Hat Corp of America in the late 1930s.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7031/6538534443_42664761fa_o.gif

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7144/6538534545_d35779b342_b.jpg

Correspondence regarding Dobbs use of Brüder Böhm finishing machines.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7002/6533973711_f947b62967_b.jpg

Here's another correspondence regarding the BB finishing machine and McLachlen hat bodies. Interesting technical info.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7169/6538761585_640f57fe4c_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7003/6538685949_13cf874680_b.jpg

Chepstow
12-19-2011, 10:50 AM
This are interesting documents you find. Good teamwork between the us and Germany's hat factories.
It looks as if the American Hatter then not been able Velour,
chamois, etc. produce in quality. The BB must have done a great machine.

mayserwegener
12-19-2011, 11:14 AM
The Euros had the edge with specialized finishes. Also such finishing processes could be time consuming and labour intensive. BB supposedly was able to stream line the process for Velour and Chamois finishes.

Joshbru3
12-19-2011, 03:24 PM
Borchert Berlin W., size 59cm, back of sweatband stamped August 6, 1952. Could have been made by Rehfus & Cie. (Kehl a. Rhein) after factory reopened in 1951. Also the Borchert Berlin W. store location changed after WWII because the original location was in the Soviet sector.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7030/6527669353_540feae4b8_b.jpg


That Borchert is absolutely stunning!! It looks much nicer in your photos than in the auction photos. I'm glad that you were able to snag that one off the bay. How wide is that brim? It could just be my perception, but this brim seems wider than many of the German/ Austrian hats in this thread.

mayserwegener
12-19-2011, 04:44 PM
Josh, Thank you for the tip on the Borchert. It's a really great hat! The brim is just a bit under 2 1/2 inches. I would say that is on the wider side but not unusual for the time period. Germany pretty much fell inline with what happened in the US regarding brim widths. The blocking is what is different. You rarely see the straight edge block like you see in many American hats of that time period.

zetwal
12-19-2011, 05:56 PM
Borchert Berlin W., size 59cm, back of sweatband stamped August 6, 1952. Could have been made by Rehfus & Cie. (Kehl a. Rhein) after factory reopened in 1951. [...]

Very nice Borchert ... :yo: