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dr greg
08-24-2009, 11:43 PM
My good wife says this tie is awful and totally uncomplementary, I say it's a classic Michelson silk number that can handle a Full Windsor very well, and suits ;) this outfit perfectly...any comments?
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/1487/mecloud.jpg

Ephraim Tutt
08-24-2009, 11:51 PM
Works for me Greg - and I'm fussy about my ties!

Mind you, I do have a couple of shockers - and some that only I could love.

Mike in Seattle
08-25-2009, 12:19 AM
Ditto the last remark...although maybe your wife doesn't like the idea of a striped tie with a pin-striped suit. I know I have a couple of ties that to me just don't look right with pin-stripes.

dr greg
08-25-2009, 12:23 AM
Ditto the last remark...although maybe your wife doesn't like the idea of a striped tie with a pin-striped suit. I know I have a couple of ties that to me just don't look right with pin-stripes.
Well I thought a classic style of tie like this one would be fine with pin stripes as it could well be some old school number...no her objection is more prosaic...it apparently 'makes you look old'.

BellyTank
08-25-2009, 01:16 AM
Personally, I think it looks a bit "bulky".
The knot may be too big for you and your collar- but I'm not a fan of fat knots.
Can't really comment on the "...makes you look old" comment, though.

It goes with the bass, though. :)


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Torpedo
08-25-2009, 06:51 AM
It is commonly said you can wear a tie with the same kind of pattern as your suit if the stripes or shapes forming it are more than twice the width of those in the suit. This is correct here.

Also, one colour (blue) matches the suit's main colour and the other (red) complements it, so everything seem to be in order there, too.

Colours are OK to me. This said, I feel a less bulky knot would look better.

Regards!

memphislawyer
08-25-2009, 06:56 AM
Try a four-in-hand knot and see if that does not dimple better for you.

A chalk stripe would look better with that tie. To my eye, there are too many stripes in your suit and therefore, the striping on your tie does not pop. Try a paisley or foulard with that suit. But a chalkstripe would have fewer and fainter 'lines' if you will. Also, I find that women do not prefer regimental or striped ties as much as those with patterns and textures.

Edward
08-25-2009, 07:24 AM
My good wife says this tie is awful and totally uncomplementary, I say it's a classic Michelson silk number that can handle a Full Windsor very well, and suits ;) this outfit perfectly...any comments?
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/1487/mecloud.jpg

I'd tray a smaller knot also, but that's to personal taste. The tie is similar to one of the old British regimental ties (ones of the Guards? I'm sure I've seen a similarly coloured / patterned tie on the Princes), maybe your wife associates that sort of tie with the old-boy veterans? [huh]

FWIW, I like it - I think the combination of re and navy ties the whole look together - a bridging point between the navy suit and the red bass. ;)

Paisley
08-25-2009, 07:56 AM
Maybe the striped tie, striped suit and striped shirt just make for too many stripes.

JohnnyGringo
08-25-2009, 09:02 AM
Smaller knot maybe, but overall I think it looks good. That Bass rocks, by the way!

KILO NOVEMBER
08-25-2009, 10:10 AM
I am old, so I've got no problem with a tie that makes me look that way. PM me and I'll send your wife the address where she can ship the tie.

Widebrim
08-25-2009, 10:10 AM
Maybe the striped tie, striped suit and striped shirt just make for too many stripes.

I would agree with Paisley; try a solid-colored shirt. I also recommend, as others have stated, a smaller knot.

Geesie
08-25-2009, 11:29 AM
Smaller knot, definitely. The color and the strip of the tie are bold enough, the giant knot makes it look like the rest of your outfit is hiding behind the tie.

dr greg
08-25-2009, 02:33 PM
Smaller knot, definitely. The color and the strip of the tie are bold enough, the giant knot makes it look like the rest of your outfit is hiding behind the tie.
It is big, but I thought a full windsor would do justice to the boldness of it, and be in proportion to the width, so many ties seem to scrunch up when you do a windsor with them..the shirt was a lightly striped T M Lewin so I thought it all went together in several ways, also we were playing to a bunch of bankers and lawyers and I felt it necessary to try and be better dressed than most of them...and I was, by a long shot. Some had trainers on with their beige suits...dear o dear.
I doubt whether any of them would have recognised the authentic "Motto" on the bass either.....

Benny Holiday
08-25-2009, 04:21 PM
It's a chick thing mate. I've always been into mid-late 40s bold ties and my wife loves them. Cookie presented me with a great blue diagonal striped 30s number last year when MK was out in Australia and inspired by it I purchased red and brown 30s ties online not long afterwards. The Missus doesn't dig the stripes at all!

Ephraim Tutt
08-25-2009, 05:14 PM
we were playing to a bunch of bankers and lawyers

You have sterling taste in hats, ties ...and audiences Dr G.

Well...maybe not so much the bankers...

BellyTank
08-26-2009, 12:32 AM
I doubt whether any of them would have recognised the authentic "Motto" on the bass either.....

Clash/Lancers


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dr greg
08-26-2009, 12:46 AM
Clash/Lancers


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lancers old chap, an original brass one too, I'm too old to have been into the Clash..London Calling was OK though I suppose.

BellyTank
08-26-2009, 02:38 AM
The Clash had a song; "Death or Glory".

Oh dear- you must be really old...


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Edward
08-26-2009, 06:24 AM
"Now every cheap hood makes a bargain with the world / and ends up making payments on a sofa or a girl..."

I always think 'Clash' before 'Lancers'..... 'Clash', and Eddie in Rocky Horror.... lol

dr greg
08-26-2009, 02:02 PM
The Clash had a song; "Death or Glory".

Oh dear- you must be really old...


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Old enough, I'm more the MC5/Stooges era as far as 'punk' goes, I was in the UK when the Pistols and all that stuff came out and frankly I thought most of it was utter rubbish, and time has proven me correct I think, The Stranglers still sound OK now but the Damned etc...laughably bad. I could never see how not being able to play your instrument came to be regarded as a statement of artistic worth.

Creeping Past
08-26-2009, 02:43 PM
I could never see how not being able to play your instrument came to be regarded as a statement of artistic worth.

That's certainly the message a lot of people ascribe to punk rock, especially the UK 1976-type variant. If that was a prime concern for any of the punk rock groups in the 1970s, in my view it was a statement of cultural intent based on examples from the forgotten, exciting dark corners of rock 'n' roll, where anti-virtuosity, no-talent, downright flagrant disregard for musicianship, etc., had lurked unseen and mostly unwanted. See Lester Bangs on the Count V, The Troggs, The Stooges, and whatnot.

The Stooges are a great example of a band for whom musicianship was secondary, or even tertiary, to making some noise and having a good (bad) time. I believe they were thought of, contemporaneously, as rather basic and not the kind of thing to emulate if you wanted to be regarded as a good muso. And the MC5's pared-down riffing was the basis for rowdy sermonising, rather than a call to arms for ambitious young virtuosos.

I think that, rather than deliberately not learning how to play and using that as the basis for praxis, most of the 70s-era punk rock bands were more concerned with getting involved in music as immediately as possible. And if that meant making a record before they were 'ready' — who's judgment/yardstick should they be following, given the precedents of The Stooges, MC5, Count V, and all the rest? — so be it.

BellyTank
08-26-2009, 02:48 PM
Yep, you're old. :)


Old enough, I'm more the MC5/Stooges era as far as 'punk' goes, I was in the UK when the Pistols and all that stuff came out and frankly I thought most of it was utter rubbish, and time has proven me correct I think, The Stranglers still sound OK now but the Damned etc...laughably bad. I could never see how not being able to play your instrument came to be regarded as a statement of artistic worth.

Maybe more of a social statement than a musical one? Music being the message medium.
Perhaps actual 'Artistic worth' can transcend apparent musical ability, or a lack thereof.


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Beat me to it, bugger...

RM Bantista
08-26-2009, 10:04 PM
Gentlemen,

Notwithstanding the above musical esoterica and nostalgia for one of the earlier geologic times of cultural reference, which I am personally not immune to savor for various reasons that are not under discussion, I would think that the tie is suitable and that the knot is almost so. One may have more pronounced dimple in the tie following the knot which might set it off to better effect. It may also be possible that the tie has not been tied in the best position to achieve the perfect symmetry, but I would rather hope that a more casual but nonetheless well-dressed look is to be preferred in the circumstance described, which I would venture may have been achieved. I would also have a square of some kind in the breast pocket, perhaps a white handkerchief. Silk would be nice, but cotton is also classic. Other options are also possible, up to pure black silk, though not the question.

I have been known to tie other knots of various kinds under some circumstances and considering length and weight of material of the tie. My 'goto' knot is the double-over (GI, double Windsor) which is generally more triangular and balanced and also less forgiving of various problematic conditions which may exist with other tie knotting. This has to be a matter of personal taste and preference as much as anything. Newscasters on national programs have nicely tied tie knots which are symmetrical.

From these photos as displayed on my machine, I am unable to discern what type of shirt collar is being worn. It would seem to be a button-down which I would not choose first with the other items of dress displayed.

One might also deliberately choose a larger tie knot with a less-fussy dimple which hangs with an angle that reminds one of the jacket lapel shape. There are many questions of personal discretion and choice which are encompassed by the initial inquiry so that the initial question is unanswerable by any objective measure.

One might prefer to please the aesthetic of one's spouse and thereby live long and prosper in good conscience and serenity.

Rudy

HadleyH
08-26-2009, 10:35 PM
Smaller knot, definitely.



That's the problem.

Enough said.

Carlisle Blues
08-27-2009, 12:53 AM
Color clashes with ax knot too big

BellyTank
08-27-2009, 01:06 AM
Not really- It's too close a red, to clash.

Here we go, talking about the Clash again.


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Ephraim Tutt
08-27-2009, 01:50 AM
Bah! Be bold Dr G.
You're a muso, not a bloody accountant!

dr greg
08-27-2009, 01:54 AM
Gentlemen,



From these photos as displayed on my machine, I am unable to discern what type of shirt collar is being worn. It would seem to be a button-down which I would not choose first with the other items of dress displayed.


Rudy
You are quite correct of course, I should not have worn a button-down collar with such a suit, but as it was from a Jermyn St shirtmaker I allowed some vestigial snobbery to overrule such restrictions in my search for a special colour combination...a punk statement perhaps? :p