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The Wiser Hatter
05-06-2011, 02:37 AM
right this is Panama bob's website.
http://www.panamas.biz/

email68
05-06-2011, 07:50 AM
Thanks for the correction.

I'm sure the hat will be fine anyway.

-Tim


right this is Panama bob's website.
http://www.panamas.biz/

randooch
05-06-2011, 12:24 PM
Does anyone here have the actuarial skills needed to determine the odds on the following:

You buy a hat with the previous owner's initials on the sweatband. What are the chances of your own initials matching?

Tomasso
05-06-2011, 12:27 PM
Does anyone here have the actuarial skills needed to determine the odds on the following:

You buy a hat with the previous owner's initials on the sweatband. What are the chances of your own initials matching?

Before I can help I'll need to know the color of the hat.........

danofarlington
05-06-2011, 12:29 PM
Does anyone here have the actuarial skills needed to determine the odds on the following:

You buy a hat with the previous owner's initials on the sweatband. What are the chances of your own initials matching?

I say the odds are one in 676 for two initials (26 x 26). For three initials, it would be one in 17,576 (26 x 26 x 26).

Rodkins
05-06-2011, 12:33 PM
I say the odds are one in 676 for two initials (26 x 26). For three initials, it would be one in 17,576 (26 x 26 x 26).
The actual problem is much more complicated than that. It depends on the persons name. Zebadiah Xray Zachoria has VERY little chance of matching his initials with another person on a sweatband. :)

randooch
05-06-2011, 01:27 PM
So each letter would have to be assigned a value for how often it appears as an initial (Smith, e.g., vs. Zachoria) on a scale. Then the problem could be worked out?

danofarlington
05-06-2011, 01:34 PM
So each letter would have to be assigned a value for how often it appears as an initial (Smith, e.g., vs. Zachoria) on a scale. Then the problem could be worked out?

As long as you made defensible assumptions about the frequencies. Then it would be a sum of the 26 letters weighted by frequency, times the same, and times the same again if you go for three initials. There's probably more to it than that, but that would be a start. It wouldn't be so hard to figure out, if you wanted to bother with it. Eighth grade statistics and algebra ought to suffice.

danofarlington
05-06-2011, 01:36 PM
The actual problem is much more complicated than that. It depends on the persons name. Zebadiah Xray Zachoria has VERY little chance of matching his initials with another person on a sweatband. :)

Yeah, but you're assuming just the kind of names we have on this planet.

zetwal
05-06-2011, 02:04 PM
klaatu barada nikto

randooch
05-06-2011, 03:22 PM
The Stetson I listed on Ebay today has the initials JBZ, which got me thinking about it. (Weird that Rodkins came up with the Z!)

scottyrocks
05-06-2011, 03:44 PM
There's also probability as it relates to the separate frequencies for both given and surnames, never mind the middle initial.

fluteplayer07
05-06-2011, 04:07 PM
Math dorks.


;)

alanfgag
05-06-2011, 04:25 PM
Math dorks.;)

Math dorks
Thor mask'd

email68
05-06-2011, 05:51 PM
Simple. It's 42.

blane36989
05-07-2011, 07:42 AM
Hi Folks-

I recently won the bidding on an abandoned storage unit in Fort Worth. While going through all of the contents, I stumbled upon a collection of cowboy hats and I need advice from y'all since I have no clue about them myself.

There are a total of five hats that all appear to have never been worn and are pristine. Two of the hats are autographed on the upper/outer brim - one by Shania Twain and the other by Merle Haggard. Two more are "showroom new" and autograph free.

Here are the specs on all of them:

1. -Diamond Horseshoe Resistol
- Rancher style
-Buckskin color
-15 X beaver felt
-7 1/4"
2. - Autographed by Shania Twain
- Stetson
- White felt beaver with silver tag
- 6 X
- 7 1/4"
3. - Autographed by Merle Haggard
- white felt beaver w/silver & gold buckles
- Stetson
- 30 X
- El Patron style
- 7 1/4"
4. - Stetson white felt 30 X beaver
- Identical to M. Haggard but no autograph

The last one was in a glass case, so I am most curious about it. Its specs are:
-100 X
-Cattle Baron Resistol
-Cattlemen 65
-Silverbelly
-7 1/4"
-Beaver and Cashmere Felt
-400 (not sure what that designates)

I'm sure these are worth something, but I have no idea where to find that out and who/where I could sell them. If anyone could help me out, I would sure appreciate it!
Thanks,
Eric

SgtRick
05-07-2011, 07:59 AM
This is probably a dumb questions as I'm sure most will say in the hat box but if you have more than a few then that might not be practical. I can only wear my hats for a couple weeks at a time while on R&R. It is usually about 6 months before I can return to wear them again. How would you store them in a case like this? Would you use hat strechers in each one to keep their shape and size?

RBH
05-07-2011, 08:16 AM
A quick search turned up these possible solutions.

http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?53431-Hat-Racks

http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?41576-Ask-a-question-get-an-answer&p=1224681&viewfull=1#post1224681

http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?34277-Full-Hat-Collection-Photographs-Thread&p=1202407&viewfull=1#post1202407

http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?41576-Ask-a-question-get-an-answer&p=1150024&viewfull=1#post1150024

http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?53189-Plastic-Storage-Containers

rlk
05-07-2011, 08:26 AM
I don't know the value of autographs, but all the hats other than the 6X are quite expensive and in the current catalog so that you can see the selling prices on many sites--$300-700 range.

The Wiser Hatter
05-07-2011, 08:46 AM
In your case I would keep each hat with a hat strecher to keep it from shrinking. Then I would place the hat in a plastic bag like a dry cleaning bag tied then in the hat box. If you are keeping the hat in storage box perhaps wrap the hat box inside a plastic bag also to protect against water damage.

alanfgag
05-07-2011, 09:00 AM
I keep them in constant rotation, into a room that my wife isn't.

shhhhhhhh

Tatude
05-07-2011, 09:12 AM
I just store them in the box they came in with cedar blocks around. Have 7 so it takes up some room. I've purchased a vintage hat that was NIB and about 30+ years old and looked brand new so I figure it's a good way to store them.

Rick Blaine
05-07-2011, 10:47 AM
Nice finds! I'd love to have a Stetson autographed by The Hag'. Wish it were an OR! Any photos on howzabout a "backstory"? C'mon.

blane36989
05-07-2011, 10:52 AM
I don't know the value of autographs, but all the hats other than the 6X are quite expensive and in the current catalog so that you can see the selling prices on many sites--$300-700 range.

Thanks for the reply. I am totally clueless about these. Do u have links to catalogs or know of any shops that will either take consignment or purchase them outright for resale? Or possibly anyone that would want them individually? I will offer them at extremely attractive prices.

Thanks again

illumin8em
05-07-2011, 10:53 AM
Any help IDing this hat?
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you can click thumbs to make bigger

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v142/illumin8em/th_f2d014aa.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v142/illumin8em/?action=view&current=f2d014aa.jpg)[/URL]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v142/illumin8em/th_a9d29f3f.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v142/illumin8em/?action=view&current=a9d29f3f.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v142/illumin8em/th_c1579ead.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v142/illumin8em/?action=view&current=c1579ead.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v142/illumin8em/th_4f1d1e5a.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v142/illumin8em/?action=view&current=4f1d1e5a.jpg)

sulla
05-07-2011, 11:39 AM
How hardy is the Stetson Saxon? We bought one for my dad and he refuses to wear it out fearing that even the smallest drop of water will pucker swell or pock mark the felt.

I wear my Akubra Fed's in inclement weather all the time, is the Dixon not as sturdy or safe when wet out?

danofarlington
05-07-2011, 12:59 PM
This is probably a dumb questions as I'm sure most will say in the hat box but if you have more than a few then that might not be practical. I can only wear my hats for a couple weeks at a time while on R&R. It is usually about 6 months before I can return to wear them again. How would you store them in a case like this? Would you use hat strechers in each one to keep their shape and size?

You don't need a stretcher to store them. Hat boxes might be the best thing--keeps off the dust, but lets them breathe, unlike a plastic bag. Brush them first to discourage the moths which may have laid eggs. Maybe some mothballs in the boxes, the kind that have cedar smell to them.. I haven't done that yet but will do so this season.

gtdean48
05-07-2011, 06:50 PM
This is probably a dumb questions as I'm sure most will say in the hat box but if you have more than a few then that might not be practical. I can only wear my hats for a couple weeks at a time while on R&R. It is usually about 6 months before I can return to wear them again. How would you store them in a case like this? Would you use hat strechers in each one to keep their shape and size?

You don't need a stretcher for every hat, just the one you'll likely wear first. Then put stretcher in one you'll wear next. Maybe 2 stretchers. If the sweat is not damp, it should not draw in storage. Don't over thnk it. Hats have been stored for decades & retained their size.

Mr Vim
05-08-2011, 02:00 PM
Has anyone seen this here hat?

http://www.thefedorastore.com/Stetson-Cashmere-Blend-Fedora-Hat-for-Mad-Men-p/pisa.htm

It's funny because I kno Stetson provided several hats for the show, but is this really Draper's style? It seems to be, and I hope I didn't set off a large debate.

job
05-09-2011, 04:39 AM
I live in the south and most everyone wears blue jeans, T-shirts, and tennis shoes. If they wear a hat it is a baseball cap. A few years ago I wanted to change what I wear. After buying a fur felt hat I found that what I wore was influenced buy the hats I chose. Now I rarely wear jeans or tennis shoes. T-shirts I'll wear around the house. I feel that wearing a fedora has improved my fashion and not only am I different for my hats I also am slightly different for not wearing jeans, T-shirts, and tennis shoes all the time. I guess wearing a fedora has made me look better and more unique in more ways than one. My hats dictate my dress more than my dress dictates my hat choice at this time. How about you.

bowlerman
05-09-2011, 08:45 AM
you know, I haven't seen the show, but it appears many people are carrying a "Draper's style" fedora these days, including listings on ebay, and all of them seem to be considerably different in color, style, and finish. I wonder if folks are just capitalizing.

bowlerman
05-09-2011, 08:46 AM
Any help IDing this hat?
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you can click thumbs to make bigger

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v142/illumin8em/th_f2d014aa.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v142/illumin8em/?action=view&current=f2d014aa.jpg)[/URL]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v142/illumin8em/th_a9d29f3f.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v142/illumin8em/?action=view&current=a9d29f3f.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v142/illumin8em/th_c1579ead.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v142/illumin8em/?action=view&current=c1579ead.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v142/illumin8em/th_4f1d1e5a.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v142/illumin8em/?action=view&current=4f1d1e5a.jpg)

It looks a lot like the Stetson "Latte" that jlee posted awhile ago.

justanuthercap
05-09-2011, 09:01 AM
Good morning everyone (at least it's morning in my part of the world), I have a couple of fedoras that I'd like to have the brims cut down a bit and one I'd like to have stretched. No hatters here in Central Florida but we do have a rather large western wear store. I was wondering if it would be worth it to check them out to see if they have a "hat person" that could do this as I'd rather not send them out to have the work done?

Opinions and input would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

-Scott

scooter
05-09-2011, 10:04 AM
Well, it certainly couldn't hurt to make a call and ask.

Sans Witt
05-09-2011, 12:19 PM
I'm looking for a place online to buy high quality hat bodies, does anyone have any good ideas of where I should begin my search?

jlee562
05-09-2011, 12:44 PM
It looks a lot like the Stetson "Latte" that jlee posted awhile ago.

I had that thought too, but this one looks like a Panama, not a Milan weave, plus the Latte has a slightly different side profile without the higher front.

alanfgag
05-09-2011, 12:47 PM
1945.

(I'm sure you will get some useful answers too...welcome to the lounge!)

:wave:

Brando11
05-09-2011, 01:16 PM
1945.

(I'm sure you will get some useful answers too...welcome to the lounge!)

:wave:

Ha!

illumin8em
05-09-2011, 01:28 PM
I had that thought too, but this one looks like a Panama, not a Milan weave, plus the Latte has a slightly different side profile without the higher front.

I too thout of the Stetson Latte, but to me the brim looked wider than the
1 7/8" offered on the Latte as well as the differnce in weave. From the side, the hat looks to be very ... crisp, if that is even a good description

Saint-Just
05-09-2011, 02:47 PM
OK, I've done like probably a lot of you guys... Watched, read and decided to join, fully aware that it was a very slippery slope and that I was probably doomed... again!

What makes this a bit different? Well, I'd really like a hat, but although I am past the half century I never really got a chance to wear one (partially due to the fact that Mrs Saint-Just would collapse with laughter every time I adorned my top with a cover (Tilley hat).

I wanted a dual purpose hat, one that would not be out of place when I go to work, but that could also come with me in the great outdoors during the WE.
This naturally lead me to to the "Indy" shape, not because of any identification with the character, nor because my W.E. life is anywhere near his adventures, but simply because it illustrated perfectly -albeit with all the poetic license cinema gives talented directors - this town/country versatility.

My initial draw to the Fedora shape was confirmed by all the photos you posted. Coincidently I learnt new words, like Adventurebilt, Penman, et al. :eusa_doh:

However those fine makers present me with 2 challenges. One is the time it takes to get the hat. I am sure it is well worth waiting for, but it is also a bit premature. And two, it is a lot of money to throw without knowing if I shall learn to live with it.
The other option was to get a cheaper hat, use it, see what I like about it and what I don't, learn to live with it and finally have a story to tell to the maker of my hat.

And this is where I need your expertise and wisdom: for this first hat, should I go for a fur felt "indy" from the likes of mad dog hats on the bay of evil, or for a comparable price a Christy's Adventurer from Hornets hats? Or is there another in this price range (-ish) that would be a better starting point?

Over to you, if you please :D

billyspew
05-09-2011, 02:52 PM
OK, I've done like probably a lot of you guys... Watched, read and decided to join, fully aware that it was a very slippery slope and that I was probably doomed... again!

What makes this a bit different? Well, I'd really like a hat, but although I am past the half century I never really got a chance to wear one (partially due to the fact that Mrs Saint-Just would collapse with laughter every time I adorned my top with a cover (Tilley hat).

I wanted a dual purpose hat, one that would not be out of place when I go to work, but that could also come with me in the great outdoors during the WE.
This naturally lead me to to the "Indy" shape, not because of any identification with the character, nor because my W.E. life is anywhere near his adventures, but simply because it illustrated perfectly -albeit with all the poetic license cinema gives talented directors - this town/country versatility.

My initial draw to the Fedora shape was confirmed by all the photos you posted. Coincidently I learnt new words, like Adventurebilt, Penman, et al. :eusa_doh:

However those fine makers present me with 2 challenges. One is the time it takes to get the hat. I am sure it is well worth waiting for, but it is also a bit premature. And two, it is a lot of money to throw without knowing if I shall learn to live with it.
The other option was to get a cheaper hat, use it, see what I like about it and what I don't, learn to live with it and finally have a story to tell to the maker of my hat.

And this is where I need your expertise and wisdom: for this first hat, should I go for a fur felt "indy" from the likes of mad dog hats on the bay of evil, or for a comparable price a Christy's Adventurer from Hornets hats? Or is there another in this price range (-ish) that would be a better starting point?

Over to you, if you please :D

Well I can say I started in a similar position from you.

I would advise you to visit some hat stores and try some on, being as how you're from Kent I can't imagine that's too much of a stretch.
Make a day of it, visit Bates, Lock, Hornets and Laird, you can then try lots on and get an idea of what you like shape wise... you don't know what will suit you or what you'll feel comfortable in until you do so. I would advise something cheaper to start with.

Mulceber
05-09-2011, 02:52 PM
If you're going cheaper, don't go with Christy's or Hornets - the Akubra Federation will be way more durable for a similar price. -M

gtdean48
05-09-2011, 03:01 PM
Do it yourself. I've cut down quite a few brims, no trouble with sharp scissors & sand paper. Get a stretcher or 2 if you plan on wearing hats regularly. I have 3 or 4 & they all get good use.
HTH... Most western wear stores have somebody that can shape, cut down a brim & stretch a hat, at least those around here do....

billyspew
05-09-2011, 05:51 PM
If you're going cheaper, don't go with Christy's or Hornets - the Akubra Federation will be way more durable for a similar price. -M

Don't listen to him, buy British! ;)
Seriously though, visit the stores, try hats on and get an idea of what you like, then you can buy whatever you want, where ever you want.

danofarlington
05-09-2011, 05:53 PM
If you like the Indie hat look, the tried and true one is Akubra Fed IV. I don't wear them, but folks seem to love them. Much cheaper than a custom alternative, and probably more durable. Sounds like that one fits your bill. However, I don't know how they compare to a Christy's equivalent, or Hornet equivalent.

Gray
05-09-2011, 05:57 PM
Hello all, I joined the forum to get more information about my latest purchase
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=true&item=320694734168&si=7esHmOmLpipRmXEVJuYmdthHnEQ%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT#ht_2704wt_1270

What year would you think the hat was made? I'm guessing 1950's but could be wrong. Also where would you rank this hat in terms of quality? Is it higher than the regular Royal Stetson or lower?

danofarlington
05-09-2011, 05:59 PM
Hello all, I joined the forum to get more information about my latest purchase
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=true&item=320694734168&si=7esHmOmLpipRmXEVJuYmdthHnEQ%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT#ht_2704wt_1270

What year would you think the hat was made? I'm guessing 1950's but could be wrong. Also where would you rank this hat in terms of quality? Is it higher than the regular Royal Stetson or lower?


I really have no idea. But based on the style, my toss at the dart board is 1955.

hatflick1
05-09-2011, 06:22 PM
Any guesses what this hat is.
Crown looks pretty high.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdvUB5QdPTo
At certain angles it appears it may be leather because it seems stiff. Then again, it may be the lighting.

Lastmohecken
05-09-2011, 06:34 PM
Good morning everyone (at least it's morning in my part of the world), I have a couple of fedoras that I'd like to have the brims cut down a bit and one I'd like to have stretched. No hatters here in Central Florida but we do have a rather large western wear store. I was wondering if it would be worth it to check them out to see if they have a "hat person" that could do this as I'd rather not send them out to have the work done?

Opinions and input would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

-Scott

Most good western stores will have someone who can cut a brim down. I recently cut a couple of western hats down with sizzors and finished with emery cloth, but after fussing with those hats, I decided to take a third one (different color) to my local Cavenders Western Store, and have them cut the brim down on it, as it was a really nice hat, and I wanted a professional cut on the brim. He only charged me 5 dollars for cleaning the hat and cutting down and shaping the brim. It only took him about a minute to cut the brim down, and it was flawless after he sanded it, where I ended up spending an hour or two in the process of cutting one down at home, and sanding it, and it still wasn't quite as good a job as he did.

Lefty
05-09-2011, 07:12 PM
Hello all, I joined the forum to get more information about my latest purchase
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=true&item=320694734168&si=7esHmOmLpipRmXEVJuYmdthHnEQ%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT#ht_2704wt_1270

What year would you think the hat was made? I'm guessing 1950's but could be wrong. Also where would you rank this hat in terms of quality? Is it higher than the regular Royal Stetson or lower?

It was made in Canada, which you can tell by the foil size tag. American made Stetsons once used them, but they were gone by the early/mid-40s here. For a number of reasons, this hat is not a mid-40s or earlier American Stetson.

The Canada hats are much harder to date, because little things like the size tag, the slight variation in liners, etc. aren't always consistent with their American contemporaries. I'll agree that it's probably a 50s hat.

I can't recall where Premier quality fell at the moment, but I'm sure someone will help.

Check out some of the links in my signature, including the Thinktank, Crest, and Liner threads.

dannyboy_883
05-10-2011, 03:42 AM
Where do the aussie's amongst us go for vintage fur felt hats over the internet? I can't find anything on ebay to save my life, other than a few outback style akubra's.

Cheers,
Danny.

Rodkins
05-10-2011, 03:52 AM
Where do the aussie's amongst us go for vintage fur felt hats over the internet? I can't find anything on ebay to save my life, other than a few outback style akubra's.

Cheers,
Danny.
You can look on the classifieds on this site or also many US ebay sellers will ship to Australia.

OT1899
05-10-2011, 06:05 AM
Thanks for the reply. I am totally clueless about these. Do u have links to catalogs or know of any shops that will either take consignment or purchase them outright for resale? Or possibly anyone that would want them individually? I will offer them at extremely attractive prices.

Thanks again



Try Peters Brothers Hats in downtown Fort Worth. Also, you could post them in the classifieds on this site. Good Luck!

zetwal
05-10-2011, 06:17 AM
Where do the aussie's amongst us go for vintage fur felt hats over the internet?

Ebay

justanuthercap
05-10-2011, 07:27 AM
Most good western stores will have someone who can cut a brim down. I recently cut a couple of western hats down with sizzors and finished with emery cloth, but after fussing with those hats, I decided to take a third one (different color) to my local Cavenders Western Store, and have them cut the brim down on it, as it was a really nice hat, and I wanted a professional cut on the brim. He only charged me 5 dollars for cleaning the hat and cutting down and shaping the brim. It only took him about a minute to cut the brim down, and it was flawless after he sanded it, where I ended up spending an hour or two in the process of cutting one down at home, and sanding it, and it still wasn't quite as good a job as he did.

Thanks Lastmohecken, that's the kind of info I was looking for.

Benny
05-10-2011, 09:51 AM
Hi. I'm new to this forum. But anyways, I wan't to ask something.
I am going for the summer to Italy and I heard about this store called la Rinascente. I wan't to know about the both ones, that are located in Rome. What I wan't to know about both of them, is that do they sell wide-brimmed Borsalino fedoras in them. And how much do they cost. And if they sell some other brands, that are even cheaper?
I'll appreaceate, if somebody will bother to answer me.

Saint-Just
05-10-2011, 01:39 PM
Thanks billyspew.

I'm in Ashford but having had a look at your signature I might just do exactly that, on a day off. Get measured in Bates or Lock & Co, resist the urge (probably the hardest part :lol:) and get a better feel for the different qualities on offer.

Having said that, the Akubra also look good (Fed 4, Fed 4 deluxe? which of the two would the panel recommend?) and I will have no problem considering that for all their denying they're British too, somewhere...

danofarlington
05-10-2011, 02:08 PM
Hi. I'm new to this forum. But anyways, I wan't to ask something.
I am going for the summer to Italy and I heard about this store called la Rinascente. I wan't to know about the both ones, that are located in Rome. What I wan't to know about both of them, is that do they sell wide-brimmed Borsalino fedoras in them. And how much do they cost. And if they sell some other brands, that are even cheaper?
I'll appreaceate, if somebody will bother to answer me.

I don't know, but my guess is that Borsalino hats range from $200-400. There are lots of hat stores in Italy, you' won't have a hard time finding them. For something cheaper, you could look up RMR hats on the Internet. They have a good selection, much cheaper.

billyspew
05-10-2011, 04:40 PM
Thanks billyspew.

I'm in Ashford but having had a look at your signature I might just do exactly that, on a day off. Get measured in Bates or Lock & Co, resist the urge (probably the hardest part :lol:) and get a better feel for the different qualities on offer.

Having said that, the Akubra also look good (Fed 4, Fed 4 deluxe? which of the two would the panel recommend?) and I will have no problem considering that for all their denying they're British too, somewhere...

Nice area. I'm from west Kent myself but went to Kent University.

Not sure the extra money for the deluxe would be worth it straight off the bat, but it is supposed to feel nicer in the hand.
I actually went back and purchased one at Bates in the end, so if you can resist...
If you go to Laird (http://www.lairdlondon.co.uk/) then I'd suggest the one by Bank - it has a greater selection of fedoras.
If you go to Hornets then be sure to check out both locations in Kensington as they have a different selection in each.

Good luck and let us know what you decide!

bowlerman
05-11-2011, 08:20 AM
Sweatbands:
Sorry to be redundant, as I know this question has been asked before, but I'm just not having success with the lounge search, or google, for that matter.

Where can you find quality ready-to-be-sewn-in sweatbands?

buler
05-11-2011, 08:23 AM
One source is JWHats (http://jwhats.com/)

B


Sweatbands:
Sorry to be redundant, as I know this question has been asked before, but I'm just not having success with the lounge search, or google, for that matter.

Where can you find quality ready-to-be-sewn-in sweatbands?

Tenorclef
05-12-2011, 10:47 AM
Hi fellow longers, i'm looking at Christys panama's on the internet and wanted to ask if any body knows whether Christys range 'Panama Superfine Brisa' and 'Panama Cuenca Traditional' have any distinguishing differences. Does the inner band state the model or is the difference purely in the weave? Many thanks if you can help.

TC

danofarlington
05-12-2011, 11:06 AM
Hi fellow longers, i'm looking at Christys panama's on the internet and wanted to ask if any body knows whether Christys range 'Panama Superfine Brisa' and 'Panama Cuenca Traditional' have any distinguishing differences. Does the inner band state the model or is the difference purely in the weave? Many thanks if you can help.

TC

I don't really know and haven't seen the hats, but "Cuenca" in the title is on the other side of the tracks from the "Montecristi" side, and always has denoted a coarser straw hat as opposed to a nice Panama hat, to me, at least.

DanielCoffey
05-12-2011, 12:44 PM
If you look on a site such as Panama Bob's, you can find picture examples of hats made in a Brisa weave. I understand that Brisa is a Cuenca weave which is generally looser and quicker to make than Cuenca Llano weave which is the Cuenca equivalent to the Montecristi but does not seem to go as fine as the Montecristis do.

Folks here would tend to use a Brisa weave as a "yard work" or casual hat (I have a Fino Brisa for that) and the Cuenca Llano weaves to save a bit of cash over a Montecristi. You will see from Bob's site that some of the top Llano weaves are very nice in fact.

EDIT : I would speculate that a 'Panama Superfine Brisa' would be something like Bob's Fino Brisa and the 'Panama Cuenca Traditional' will be some grade of Llano weave.

djd
05-14-2011, 01:21 PM
Can anyone suggest where I can get one like Belloqs Cairo panama hat- without going down the costly custom route? :)

Thanks

Gray
05-14-2011, 02:38 PM
Is there any other good sites I can find vintage fedoras except eBay?

Lefty
05-14-2011, 03:01 PM
Not really. Etsy has a few now and then. Some guys try to bargain hunt on the Goodwill auctions, but ebay and the Classifieds section of the Lounge are about it.

Gray
05-14-2011, 03:48 PM
I guess Etsy then. Thanks!

email68
05-15-2011, 10:27 AM
Purchased two more hats in the last few weeks. A PB montecristi and a Penman custom.

What is a good answer after you order another hat when your wife says "how many hats do you need?!"

Lefty
05-15-2011, 10:33 AM
All of them.

vesicant
05-15-2011, 01:31 PM
Looks like my company is transferring me to Cape Canaveral, and I'll be out in the sun a lot, both inland and on or near the water. What would be a good, stylish, classic, durable hat, perhaps in straw or cotton? A ball cap won't work since it only has the front bill.

Edward
05-15-2011, 03:10 PM
I'm a big fan of the Akubra Capricorn. Great, snap brim fedora style, range of colours, and polystraw can take a bif of rain if you do get caught.

W4ASZ
05-15-2011, 03:51 PM
I'm a big fan of the Akubra Capricorn. Great, snap brim fedora style, range of colours, and polystraw can take a bif of rain if you do get caught.

I concur fully. I was surprised at how much I like mine, and I ended up buying one for Old Dad, who is not required to like any particular item, but likes his, too. :)

Aerol
05-15-2011, 08:08 PM
Looks like my company is transferring me to Cape Canaveral, and I'll be out in the sun a lot, both inland and on or near the water. What would be a good, stylish, classic, durable hat, perhaps in straw or cotton? A ball cap won't work since it only has the front bill.

If this is a "walking from the car to the office" hat, then a Montecristi is the way to go, always remembering their dirty little secret: the finer the weave the hotter the hat.

If this is a working hat then a Tilley (www.tilley.com) can't be beat. I've had one for decades (yes, decades) and it just won't quit.

Remember: for sun protection always go with the widest brim possible.

AXL DEMOCRACY
05-15-2011, 08:48 PM
Looking to bring my Stetson Open Road in to Worth and Worth here in NYC to get it re-shaped and cleaned a bit. I haven't been here in a while but remember there was a thread with someone displaying their great talent for re-shaping hats, with quite a few different shapes shown with their proper shape names. I can't seem to find it, but I am pressed for time at the moment. Does anyone know what page that thread might be at, or have a suggestion for a thread that possibly shows a few shape examples. I think what I am looking for is a "diamond" shape that I hope to get on my Open Road.

alexnoire
05-15-2011, 09:53 PM
is the Stetson Chatham Teardrop a 40's style Fedora

W. Buchanan
05-15-2011, 10:06 PM
I am sure this question has been asked already, but I am afraid that twenty minutes' searching has not turned up the thread with the answer.

How does one re-shellac his hat? Is it possible to do that simply with clear spray shellac meant for varnishing wood? Or is there some other means?

In any case, how do I put the 'snap' back into an old fedora?

Lefty
05-15-2011, 10:23 PM
I am sure this question has been asked already, but I am afraid that twenty minutes' searching has not turned up the thread with the answer.

How does one re-shellac his hat? Is it possible to do that simply with clear spray shellac meant for varnishing wood? Or is there some other means?

In any case, how do I put the 'snap' back into an old fedora?

Try just steaming the hat, this will soften it up at first, but will also reactivate the stiffener in it. If you need something more, run this in google for threads on felt stiffener:

felt stiffener site:thefedoralounge.com

Lefty
05-15-2011, 10:25 PM
Looking to bring my Stetson Open Road in to Worth and Worth here in NYC to get it re-shaped and cleaned a bit. I haven't been here in a while but remember there was a thread with someone displaying their great talent for re-shaping hats, with quite a few different shapes shown with their proper shape names. I can't seem to find it, but I am pressed for time at the moment. Does anyone know what page that thread might be at, or have a suggestion for a thread that possibly shows a few shape examples. I think what I am looking for is a "diamond" shape that I hope to get on my Open Road.

the Diamond Authority (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?22275-THE-DIAMOND-AUTHORITY) or JtL's teardrop workshop (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?38228-Teardrop-Workshop)?

Lefty
05-15-2011, 10:27 PM
is the Stetson Chatham Teardrop a 40's style Fedora

I'm yet to see a modern Stetson that could be mistaken for a 40s hat, even with all of the variations in style available at the time.

The Good
05-15-2011, 10:39 PM
is the Stetson Chatham Teardrop a 40's style Fedora

To those that aren't too aware of the differences, yes it'll look like a 1940s hat. The brim width is alright for that, but the crowns of the 1940s were generally untapered, or less tapered than the Stetson Chatham and other modern fedoras. The tapered hat really took off some time during the 1950s, through the 1960s, and today's modern hat has retained this same style.

I hope this helps, the Stetson Chatham is a nice looking hat, just not too accurately '40s in style if you're going for more of a vintage, period look.

terly
05-16-2011, 12:00 AM
my little son like to wear cute,so I would consider give him a cute fedora,only find this Knuckleheads hat (http://www.giftmadesimple.com/product/personalized-gift-ideas/56944/?rid=56404137),so stupid to wear it?

The Good
05-16-2011, 12:40 AM
Sure, go ahead if you'd like. Maybe your son will like it. He may even want another fedora hat as he grows older, and this could be a good way of having him like hats!

On the other hand, I'd personally buy something more conservative (less "loud") looking than plaid. How about this one for your son?

http://www.villagehatshop.com/jaxon-brown-crushable-diamond-crown-fedora.html

The Jaxon Diamond Crown, for not too much more in cost.

Jantjeuh
05-16-2011, 02:31 AM
Hello all,

I tried searching the forum but can't find exactly what I'm looking for. Perhaps you can help me out here :-)

So, I have been wearing an Akubra Capricorn for the last two years now I believe (highly recommended) which is still looking new after all these trips and dives in the oceans :-) But, as you may know, it is plastic. Which is fine, but the sweatband is also plastic (pleather) and it gets a little uncomfy when sweating (honestly). Other than that, love the hat!! But would like to add a new one to the vacation collection :-)

I'm looking for a 'straw' hat for a change, with a better sweat band. I will still be wearing the Akubra because it is just so perfect in every way, but would just like to add a panama to the 'holiday collection'. I was looking at my usual place where I order (not sure if I can post it here), as they do not charge shipping, and I noticed Akubra also has Panama hats. They range between 70 and 110 Dollars. Which, is perfectly within budget for my new vacation hat! :-)

Does anyone have any experience with these ones from Akubra? Funny thing is, I can't seem to find them on the official Akubra website for some reason. Although, I trust the seller as I've had many nice hat purchases from them, so I'm sure they exist, but are perhaps older models..

Does anyone have any suggestions for a nice panama around 100 USD? I'd like to order ASAP before going on vacatio n :-)

The Wiser Hatter
05-16-2011, 02:50 AM
I would check with Tom N Perris a member here on the forum he uses Panama Bob hats and blocks them and puts in leather sweatbands and nice ribbons.
Here is one he has for sale in the Classifieds right now.
http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?56258-FS-New-Panama-Hat-Size-59.5-cm.-or-23.42-inches-LO

scottyrocks
05-16-2011, 03:10 AM
Yeah, kids can wear just about anything. People think its cute. And sometimes it actually is.

mercuryfelt76
05-16-2011, 03:13 AM
How do I find my posts on here. I've asked questions and I don't know how to find the thread again to look for answers. How do I do this?


Hope I can find this thread again when you answer ;)

scottyrocks
05-16-2011, 03:18 AM
Upper right: 'My Profile.' Then on the left, a few inches down: 'Find all posts.'

Shangas
05-16-2011, 03:40 AM
Sure, go ahead if you'd like. Maybe your son will like it. He may even want another fedora hat as he grows older, and this could be a good way of having him like hats!

On the other hand, I'd personally buy something more conservative (less "loud") looking than plaid. How about this one for your son?

http://www.villagehatshop.com/jaxon-brown-crushable-diamond-crown-fedora.html

The Jaxon Diamond Crown, for not too much more in cost.

*Points*

I want that one, daddy!

I think that would look great on a little kid's head. It's nice that little boys and girls want to dress up and look good. Make the little fellah happy.

RBH
05-16-2011, 04:24 AM
my little son like to wear cute,so I would consider give him a cute fedora,only find this Knuckleheads hat (http://www.giftmadesimple.com/product/personalized-gift-ideas/56944/?rid=56404137),so stupid to wear it?

Lets keep an eye on this one.

buler
05-16-2011, 05:20 AM
How do I find my posts on here. I've asked questions and I don't know how to find the thread again to look for answers. How do I do this?


Hope I can find this thread again when you answer ;)


Also, if you have threads you revisit or find very interesting, go to Thread tools dropdown (upper right toolbar) and use "Subscribe to thread".

B

ÉIREGOBRÁCH1922
05-16-2011, 11:52 AM
Does anybody know where I can get dark green hat cords? Thank you.

hatophile
05-16-2011, 12:09 PM
http://www.millerhats.com/accesories_index/case4.htm
Check here. There may be other sources in the US, you may want to check military/law enforcement sites also.

ÉIREGOBRÁCH1922
05-16-2011, 01:24 PM
Thank you.

I found a site, but I would have to order a minimum of 12. http://www.paradestore.com/detail.aspx?ID=889

gtdean48
05-16-2011, 02:00 PM
Thank you.

I found a site, but I would have to order a minimum of 12. http://www.paradestore.com/detail.aspx?ID=889

Maybe one of the hatters will place an order. I'd take one if that happens....

ÉIREGOBRÁCH1922
05-16-2011, 02:43 PM
Maybe one of the hatters will place an order. I'd take one if that happens....

That would be a good idea. I could always take one or two extra to have spare for my campaign hats.

I might just go ahead an order the 12 min. myself.

Thank you for the help.

jlee562
05-16-2011, 03:43 PM
Does anybody know where I can get dark green hat cords? Thank you.

Don't know about green specifically, but you may want to check with Knudsen hats:
http://knudsenhats.com/accessories.html

alexnoire
05-16-2011, 03:49 PM
I'm new Looking to buy a 30's or 40's style Fedora what are some of the names of hats in that style

RBH
05-16-2011, 05:44 PM
I'm new Looking to buy a 30's or 40's style Fedora what are some of the names of hats in that style

Stetson, Dobbs and Mallory just off the top of my head.

vesicant
05-16-2011, 06:08 PM
Thanks to all who replied. The Tilley hats look like what I had in mind.

alexnoire
05-16-2011, 06:10 PM
what is the name of Bogart's Fedora
in the Maltese Falcon[huh]

alexnoire
05-16-2011, 08:59 PM
is the Stetson Royal Quality Downs Teardrop a 40s style http://www.thefedorastore.com/Stetson-Downs-Teardrop-D-p/2210-downs.htm

Salty O'Rourke
05-17-2011, 05:13 AM
is the Stetson Royal Quality Downs Teardrop a 40s style http://www.thefedorastore.com/Stetson-Downs-Teardrop-D-p/2210-downs.htm

It evokes that era somewhat, but the crown isn't tall enough in my opinion. If you want to go with a new hat rather than finding a vintage one, check out Akubra and Christys as well as Stetson's Vintage collection. Beaver Brand is always an option but they are getting pricey to the point that a custom hat isn't much more of an investment.

gtdean48
05-17-2011, 07:24 AM
is the Stetson Royal Quality Downs Teardrop a 40s style http://www.thefedorastore.com/Stetson-Downs-Teardrop-D-p/2210-downs.htm

The discontinued Nostalgia is the only modern Stetson you are going to find with the crown style of the era you are seeking, hence the name.

jlee562
05-17-2011, 02:45 PM
what is the name of Bogart's Fedora
in the Maltese Falcon[huh]

If you want a hat like that, you're either gonna have to find a vintage hat, or go custom.

The Akubra Federation 4 from www.hatsdirect.com is an open crown 30's styled hat and comes close.

www.penmanhats.com <-- John has been working on a really great looking Bogart hat:
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/181687_10150091062638450_94550378449_6387158_63301 67_n.jpg

Jantjeuh
05-18-2011, 02:02 AM
Could somebody tell me, if talking in the shape names used by Panama Bob on his website (http://panamas.biz/cuenca.html) which shape resembles with the shape of the panama hat sean connery wears in the Louis Vuitton commercial on the back of every Time Magazine and such? (http://www.thebaglady.tv/seanconnery_louisvuitton-thumb-430x274.jpg)

Also, while the above one is a little low for my taste, I noticed this one on a panama hat website: http://www.startrip.tv/images/2007/05/23/johnny_depp.jpg

As you see that one appears much higher (kinda like a fedora, no?), which shape would that be on the panama bob website which I link to above?

Thank you very much!!!

Fidena
05-18-2011, 06:33 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Vintage-Bedford-Fur-Felt-Hat-Size-6-3-4-/260766486000?pt=US_Hats&hash=item3cb6e4cdf0#ht_500wt_922

I've seen this type of hat in a lot of photos from the early 1900s, specifically the Edwardian period. Now I would say it's a homburg, but the crown is usually pretty low, and the brim is rolled up on the sides. Is it just an old type of homburg? I've taken to calling it a "gentleman's cowboy hat", although I'm sure that's not the proper term.

monbla256
05-18-2011, 06:39 PM
I would say that bothe hats have similar if not the same crown heights it's merely a matter of camera angle that gives the impression of different heights. As for a PB model, any of his in the Cabellero style would be what you would want. He has this shape in both the Cuenca Panama's and Montecristi's. I have 5 in that style out of my 7 Panama's and like it alot.

Orgetorix
05-18-2011, 07:18 PM
It's just a homburg. The side curvature on homburgs has varied over time, just like it did with bowler hats over the decades.

Tomasso
05-18-2011, 07:22 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qB_dIrLWN44/Sub8DG98hUI/AAAAAAAAAbY/IRhAsLzBbSo/s400/Age-of-Innocence_l3.jpg

Fidena
05-18-2011, 07:39 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qB_dIrLWN44/Sub8DG98hUI/AAAAAAAAAbY/IRhAsLzBbSo/s400/Age-of-Innocence_l3.jpg

that is an amazing hat.

Fidena
05-18-2011, 07:40 PM
It's just a homburg. The side curvature on homburgs has varied over time, just like it did with bowler hats over the decades.

Are the early bowlers' brims alot more curved too?

scooter
05-18-2011, 07:55 PM
I picked up a nice old Stetson from a fellow longer and it was a little big. When I folded the sweatband down to put a pad behind it, it tore loose in 3 or 4 spots. If I have a new sweat put in, do I understand correctly that they can make it a 7.5 instead of it's current 7 3/4?

Edit: I meant to say 7 5/8!

suitedcboy
05-18-2011, 09:19 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qB_dIrLWN44/Sub8DG98hUI/AAAAAAAAAbY/IRhAsLzBbSo/s400/Age-of-Innocence_l3.jpg

That hat had a flat brim until Michelle Pheiffer stroked his palm and his head started steaming!

alexnoire
05-19-2011, 11:27 AM
What is the Fedora style al capone wears in boardwalk empire

Tomasso
05-19-2011, 11:48 AM
What is the Fedora style al capone wears in boardwalk empireFedoras don't have names or styles per se. They are distinguishable by their dimensions (brim, crown), ribbons, creases, etc.....

If you want a reasonable facsimile of the hat you can send this photo to one of the custom hatters and they will do their best to match the look.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/01/20/article-1349000-0CD72B3B000005DC-142_306x543.jpg

alexnoire
05-19-2011, 12:08 PM
Fedoras don't have names or styles per se. They are distinguishable by their dimensions (brim, crown), ribbons, creases, etc.....

If you want a reasonable facsimile of the hat you can send this photo to one of the custom hatters and they will do their best to match the look.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/01/20/article-1349000-0CD72B3B000005DC-142_306x543.jpg

Thanks :)

gtdean48
05-19-2011, 01:59 PM
Fedoras don't have names or styles per se. They are distinguishable by their dimensions (brim, crown), ribbons, creases, etc.....


a TAC, WAR fedora.... ;-)

GamaH
05-19-2011, 02:07 PM
What do I do when I see three different hats, and I want them all, but I know I'll never wear three of them enough to justify the purchases?

Two Borsalinos, one Bailey's. Well, I actually already purchased one of the Borsalinos.

Lefty
05-19-2011, 02:09 PM
With those names, even without seeing the hats, it's easy enough to narrow the list to two.

GamaH
05-19-2011, 02:19 PM
With those names, even without seeing the hats, it's easy enough to narrow the list to two.

Is this in response to my post?

Lefty
05-19-2011, 02:28 PM
Yes. Unless it's a modern Borso against this Bailey (http://www.villagehatshop.com/bailey_legacy_cowboy-hat.html), I don't think there are too many circumstances where Bailey would ever be on my list of brands to consider.

GamaH
05-19-2011, 02:33 PM
Ah, no it isn't. Well, I'll just stick with the Borsalinos then. Thanks.

Edit: What about Borsalino and Stetson? I am contemplating a Stetson Andover; however, the brim is 2 1/4, and based on the fact that I'm only 5'3, I'm wondering if it's going to be too big for my frame to carry off well. I have only ever worn stingy brims.

sulla
05-20-2011, 06:57 AM
I just ordered a Panama hat (pics when it arrives). It's whith with a black ribbon and bow, fedora style. What kind of ribbons/bands are commonly seen on Panama hats?

I am not sure if I want to stick with the black ribbon and would like to see what others have done on their Panamas.

zetwal
05-20-2011, 07:04 AM
Anything is possible. It really depends on your style and how you dress. Have you looked at the Panama Canal thread? There are quite a few pics displayed over there.

sulla
05-20-2011, 08:16 AM
Cool, thanks for the heads up. I'll head that way and take a look.

zetwal
05-20-2011, 08:43 AM
Sounds good ~

http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?18781

Richard Warren
05-20-2011, 09:08 AM
I believe that they way Capone (in real like) wore his brim is in some circles called the Hollywood brim.

Not-Bogart13
05-20-2011, 09:26 AM
Well, if you decide to ditch the black ribbon, send it to me! I rather like the basic black ribbon and bow on a panama. Once in a while, I see something colorful that appeal to me, but then I realize that my wardrobe doesn't support it, or I can't find it in my size. I also don't favor the popular pugaree bands. I'll wear them, but if I get the chance, I'd swap them out.

bowlerman
05-20-2011, 11:30 AM
What modern hatter can execute a convincing D'Orsay curl?

fmw
05-20-2011, 11:36 AM
I believe that they way Capone (in real like) wore his brim is in some circles called the Hollywood brim.

I think around that crowd in those days you would need to call it a Cicero brim.

hatophile
05-20-2011, 11:39 AM
I think around that crowd in those days you would need to call it a Cicero brim.

Good point, Fred.

Brad Bowers
05-20-2011, 01:18 PM
What modern hatter can execute a convincing D'Orsay curl?

I have yet to see one. The big problem is most hatters don't know what they are or don't understand them. One exception I've seen could be Christys'. The Bowler pictured on their site seems to be about right, though it still looks a bit clunky, which may be due to thicker felt. No one makes a felt anymore that's thin enough to get a proper streamlined D'Osary curl, and the thicker felt just ends up looking clunky.

Brad

Undertow
05-20-2011, 02:53 PM
I am familiar with the differences in weave count and cost, as well as the two main varieties of Panama hat (Montecristi and Cuenca) but for those of you who have the finer weave counts, say 300-1000+, could you tell me how they feel in the hand?

Specifically, are they sturdier than the lower count hats? Do they breathe well? Is the money actually worth the product (i.e. are they relatively durable vs. the cheaper models)?

I currently have a Cuenca of unknown count, but it's low, probably 140 or so. The brim didn't hold shape well and it shrank very quickly. I need a hat for a July wedding coming up, so I'm thinking of dropping some dough.

I've been scanning the board for these answers but I only get bursts of time, so any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

Lefty
05-20-2011, 02:58 PM
The looser the weave the more breezy the hat. My 500wpsi hat is pretty hot, far hotter than either of my milans from Optimo or my vintage Lee milan. (I don't have a lesser panama for comparison.)

If you're looking for durability, natural straw is probably not the best route. As soon as the rain starts to fall, you'll be running for cover.

wifebeatsme
05-20-2011, 03:03 PM
This caught my eye

http://www.lockhatters.co.uk/images/product_images/gentlemen/ProductImages/London/1tweed.jpg

It's sold by Lock & Co but is an expensive 125 pound sterling.

I searched through the forum and supposedly Lock & Co just sells hats made by non-British companies anyway.

So Ccan I find this model somewhere else?

wifebeatsme
05-20-2011, 03:06 PM
Ok another "should I buy this question", I want a greek fisherman (hat), and this one looks good on Lock & Co, but is expensive. http://www.lockhatters.co.uk/images/product_images/gentlemen/ProductImages/Skipper/skipper.jpg

Is this worth the extra money compared to say this one (http://www.hatsinthebelfry.com/product/wool-fisherman-cap-ulyssian-greek.html)at Hats in the Belfry

They look different but are both wool.

monbla256
05-20-2011, 05:06 PM
I am familiar with the differences in weave count and cost, as well as the two main varieties of Panama hat (Montecristi and Cuenca) but for those of you who have the finer weave counts, say 300-1000+, could you tell me how they feel in the hand?

Specifically, are they sturdier than the lower count hats? Do they breathe well? Is the money actually worth the product (i.e. are they relatively durable vs. the cheaper models)?

I currently have a Cuenca of unknown count, but it's low, probably 140 or so. The brim didn't hold shape well and it shrank very quickly. I need a hat for a July wedding coming up, so I'm thinking of dropping some dough.

I've been scanning the board for these answers but I only get bursts of time, so any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

As far as being cooler, one of the patterned Semi-Collado style of Panama's would be the coolest. As for "...are they worth the money?" that is a question only YOU can answer as it depends on what YOU want a hat to look like, feel, etc. Montecristi's ar normally of a finer weave, sometimes almost impossible to see the fibers in the high, high end hats. They also are not usually bleached as the Cuenca hats are therefore are more of a natural tannish straw color as opposed to the bright white of the Cuenca's. They make two styles of weave in the Cuenca's, Brisa, more open and the Lano much finer and closer to a Montecristi.
Here's a Medio Fino grade Montecristi Semi-Colado example:
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh215/michaelintexas/Hats/Semi-CaladoMontecristi1.jpg

Seth Hawkins
05-20-2011, 06:39 PM
What kind of adhesive should I use to secure the liner to my hat? Anything special? Anything I should avoid?

The hat is an Akubra Imperial grade Camp Draft - rabbit fur felt, I believe.

GamaH
05-20-2011, 11:47 PM
Is there actually a major difference between Panama Hats and Milan Straw Fedoras?

Also, is a Stetson Andover any good? I'm really considering that hat for the days that are too hot for felt.

alexnoire
05-21-2011, 08:37 AM
what was a popular Bash in the 20s and 30s

Brad Bowers
05-21-2011, 09:32 AM
One of the most popular was a center crease in the early '20s, with added front pinches by the end of the decade and into the '30s.

Brad

Lefty
05-21-2011, 09:41 AM
Is there actually a major difference between Panama Hats and Milan Straw Fedoras

Yes, if you're dealing with real panamas (paja toquilla) and real milans (wheat straw, not paper/plastic as all Stetson and other factory "milans" are today). Material and manner of construction are completely different. Is one better? That's a matter of taste.

danofarlington
05-21-2011, 12:08 PM
what was a popular Bash in the 20s and 30s

Don't forget the "Optimo" style, with a center ridge, no doubt a formalization of the ridge you get when you roll up a flexible Panama in a small box. That seems big in photos of the day.

GamaH
05-21-2011, 12:15 PM
Yes, if you're dealing with real panamas (paja toquilla) and real milans (wheat straw, not paper/plastic as all Stetson and other factory "milans" are today). Material and manner of construction are completely different. Is one better? That's a matter of taste.

Wait, so is the Stetson Andover plastic/paper? It says it's made of genuine Milan straw, but you've confused me a little here.

Lefty
05-21-2011, 12:33 PM
The problem is that the word "milan" was never established as a trade norm in hatting, leading to at least one FTC suit in the 50s. Right now, a hat can be made of popsicle sticks, wasp nests, and unicorn dreams and be called "genuine milan". Stetson does not sell a real straw milan under any model name. If you want a real milan (wheat straw braid), your choices are vintage (very available in smaller sizes) or Optimo.

Here's the FTC case for some background on the adulteration of the term. (http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/311/311.F2d.358.6008_1.html)

GamaH
05-21-2011, 12:43 PM
The problem is that the word "milan" was never established as a trade norm in hatting, leading to at least one FTC suit in the 50s. Right now, a hat can be made of popsicle sticks, wasp nests, and unicorn dreams and be called "genuine milan". Stetson does not sell a real straw milan under any model name. If you want a real milan (wheat straw braid), your choices are vintage (very available in smaller sizes) or Optimo.

Here's the FTC case for some background on the adulteration of the term. (http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/311/311.F2d.358.6008_1.html)

So, what is the Andover (http://www.bencrafthats.com/product.php?pid=190&subcname=Straw+Hats) here made of?

rlk
05-21-2011, 12:53 PM
http://www.craftscope.com/images/rainbow-straw-crown1.jpg

Lefty
05-21-2011, 12:57 PM
Plastic coated paper, paper coated plastic, polypropylene?

Check out the Milan Mania thread. (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?30949-Milan-Mania) You might not be able to tell the difference between something like leghorn and milan yet, but it's pretty easy to see the difference between real straw and plastic.

The same is true of this thread (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?55213-It-s-Spring.-Show-your-Straw-hats-if-you-have-em), where some hats look like straw, and some look like they've been attacked by Aquanet.


rlk- I love the flexibility of that one.

GamaH
05-21-2011, 01:01 PM
Hmm, that's disappointing. Well if I were looking for a Summer hat, what are some reliable makers? I would go for a Panama, but they seem to have 3inch brims, and being short and petit, I wouldn't be able to carry that wide a brim off.

Lefty
05-21-2011, 01:05 PM
You can get a panama in pretty much any brim length.
What's your size and price range and does it have to be a new hat or can it be vintage?

jlee562
05-21-2011, 01:08 PM
There's nothing wrong with Shangtung straw. It is what it is. It's just not real straw. Most milans these days are Shangtung anyway.

GamaH
05-21-2011, 01:31 PM
You can get a panama in pretty much any brim length.
What's your size and price range and does it have to be a new hat or can it be vintage?

Preferably new. I know Vintage hats are usually better in quality, but I am idiosyncratic like that.. unfortunately.

7 1/8, no price range. I would go straight for a custom made, but I am far too indecisive for that.

On that note.. are Borsalino Straws genuine? Also, what is "Panapore straw"?

I'm currently looking at these:
Marco (http://www.bencrafthats.com/product.php?pid=424&subcname=Straw+Hats) and Borso Panama (http://www.bencrafthats.com/product.php?pid=116&subcname=Straw+Hats).

Marco
http://www.bencrafthats.com/superfile/prod_img/MarcoBorsalino-Cognac.jpg?st=1306008195

Cuenco Panama Borsalino
http://www.bencrafthats.com/superfile/prod_img/27A.jpg

Heck, the Rialto says it's made from Panama straw. Does that make it a Panama too?
Rialto
http://www.bencrafthats.com/superfile/prod_img/MisterBorsalino-Brown.jpg?st=1306009883

Lefty
05-21-2011, 01:47 PM
I know this goes against your stingy brim desires, but I'd be all over this Tesi parabuntal from Bencraft (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?40839-Tesi-straw-Hats...). With any Borso, you're paying a significant price for the name. That panama is probably two to three times what it would cost without the name.

I don't know about panapore.

GamaH
05-21-2011, 01:58 PM
Is the Rialto considered a Panama hat though?

The description says that it's made of "Genuine Panama Straw." I'm a little "paranoid" now that "Genuine Milan Straw" isn't all that genuine at all.

Lefty
05-21-2011, 02:02 PM
Steven from Bencraft is a member here and very open and honest about what he sells. Your best bet is to call him (I've read that it's better to call than email or pm) and ask.

GamaH
05-21-2011, 02:12 PM
Steven from Bencraft is a member here and very open and honest about what he sells. Your best bet is to call him (I've read that it's better to call than email or pm) and ask.

Sounds good. I'll call tomorrow. They don't open on Saturdays.

jlee562
05-21-2011, 02:32 PM
Is the Rialto considered a Panama hat though?

The description says that it's made of "Genuine Panama Straw." I'm a little "paranoid" now that "Genuine Milan Straw" isn't all that genuine at all.


You're a bit confused my friend.

Milan is the type of weave. Straw can be woven into a Milan, as can Shangtung (paper) straw. There's nothing wrong with Shangtung straw hats. I have a Stetson Latte which is a Shangtung straw hat, and its served me well.

Likewise, "Panama" is often used to describe the type of weave. But they are not generally a synthetic straw as Shangtung is.

Basically, I wouldn't write off a Milan on the basis of it being a paper straw.

GamaH
05-21-2011, 02:42 PM
You're a bit confused my friend.

That would be an understatement. :P


Milan is the type of weave. Straw can be woven into a Milan, as can Shangtung (paper) straw. There's nothing wrong with Shangtung straw hats. I have a Stetson Latte which is a Shangtung straw hat, and its served me well.

Likewise, "Panama" is often used to describe the type of weave. But they are not generally a synthetic straw as Shangtung is.


I see now. The thing about me though, is that I've got this mindset that "natural" = better. It runs through the family really; I prefer brown sugar, and I drink organic teas. I guess that kinda carried over to non-consumables as well. Anyway, back to the topic on hand.

So, if Milan and Panama is used to describe the weave, and it's just that Panamas are *usually* genuine straw, does the straw itself have quality differences?

What about Parabuntal; is that a weave or a material? Lastly, someone on another forum just told me that Panapore is a soft kind of straw. Can I assume that a hat that says it's made of "Panapore straw" is genuine rather than synthetic straw then?

Lefty
05-21-2011, 02:43 PM
That's true today. Traditionally, milan is both the braid and the wheat and a Panama is paja in one of several weaves. What Stetson (or more properly, what RHE Hatco) and other modern manufacturers call their hats is marketing. It's like calling Sunny Delight (or the like) a "juice drink".

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with a plastic hat. No natural straw is going to handle the rain like a plastic hat. However, if you want a natural straw hat, rather than a petroleum based one, Shantung (rolled, plastic coated paper) is not what you want.

GamaH
05-21-2011, 02:48 PM
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with a plastic hat. No natural straw is going to handle the rain like a plastic hat. However, if you want a natural straw hat, rather than a petroleum based one, Shantung (rolled, plastic coated paper) is not what you want.

I gotcha now. Which brings me to the next question (sorry =p)... Is there a way to tell if a hat is natural or synthetic when buying online, by how it looks etc?

It seems to me that most of the hats you told me were Shantung, have this very "uniform" look to them. Almost like it's too perfect to be natural kind of look.

Lefty
05-21-2011, 02:55 PM
Not really. Some paper hats don't have much of a plastic coating and can look like real straw. That's why you're better off dealing with someone like Steven. He'll tell you if what you're considering is overpriced, a good value, synthetic, natural, etc. I trust a guy who describes some of the hats he sells as garbage -as he has on this site.

GamaH
05-21-2011, 03:07 PM
Not really. Some paper hats don't have much of a plastic coating and can look like real straw. That's why you're better off dealing with someone like Steven. He'll tell you if what you're considering is overpriced, a good value, synthetic, natural, etc. I trust a guy who describes some of the hats he sells as garbage -as he has on this site.

Yeah, I was planning on buying from Bencraft too. So, when I call them, do I just ask for Steven or will anyone in his store assist me just fine?

Lefty
05-21-2011, 03:27 PM
While I'm sure that everyone who works there knows hats, I'd stick with the name we know here.

GamaH
05-21-2011, 03:32 PM
While I'm sure that everyone who works there knows hats, I'd stick with the name we know here.

Alright, thanks for all your help. (And putting up with my seemingly bottomless pit of questions =P)

laotou
05-21-2011, 03:38 PM
Hmm, that's disappointing. Well if I were looking for a Summer hat, what are some reliable makers? I would go for a Panama, but they seem to have 3inch brims, and being short and petit, I wouldn't be able to carry that wide a brim off.
Sunbody (http://www.sunbody.com/index.cfm/category/6/fedoras-dress-amp-sporty.cfm) would be worth a look.
SunBody Hats imports palm leaf hats from Guatemala and Mexico.
More robust than a Panama,or Milan. Good in the rain and will stand up to abuse.

GamaH
05-21-2011, 03:47 PM
Sunbody (http://www.sunbody.com/index.cfm/category/6/fedoras-dress-amp-sporty.cfm) would be worth a look.
SunBody Hats imports palm leaf hats from Guatemala and Mexico.
More robust than a Panama,or Milan. Good in the rain and will stand up to abuse.

Palm leafs are the Panabutal hats aren't they?

Lefty
05-21-2011, 03:58 PM
To me, the Sunbody hats look a bit rougher, like outdoorsy/beach hats, but skyvue certainly made his quite nice. (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?35187-THE-SUNBODY-ASSOCIATION&p=1022153&viewfull=1#post1022153)

If you really have no price range, get a custom milan or panama. You can always have the ribbon changed out to change the look.

laotou
05-21-2011, 05:05 PM
To me, the Sunbody hats look a bit rougher, like outdoorsy/beach hats, but skyvue certainly made his quite nice. (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?35187-THE-SUNBODY-ASSOCIATION&p=1022153&viewfull=1#post1022153)

Lefty,
Are your Sunbodys the the regular or the fine palm?

Lefty
05-21-2011, 05:14 PM
I don't have a Sunbody, it was just an observation based on that thread and the Sunbody site.

laotou
05-21-2011, 05:57 PM
Having both the regular and fine Sunbody to compare side by side with Panamas and Milans of various vintage and weaves, I'd say that the Sunbody does not appear rough or beach hat like at all.
It is a heaver, stiffer hat more like a western style, but the braids are as fine if not finer than the Milans.

laotou
05-21-2011, 06:14 PM
Palm leafs are the Panabutal hats aren't they?

I don't know what Panabutal is.
They are a natural fiber if that's what you mean.

email68
05-21-2011, 09:10 PM
What is the purpose of a dimensional brim?

rlk
05-21-2011, 09:37 PM
What is the purpose of a dimensional brim?

Not much functional purpose just a minor style alternative. They were made in versions with front and back deeper than sides and the opposite, sometimes just the front deeper. Deeper front gives more of sun visor and swoop without broadening the flap and overall width relative to face as much.

rlk
05-21-2011, 09:40 PM
I don't know what Panabutal is.
They are a natural fiber if that's what you mean.

Parabuntal or Balibuntal are woven straw(buri Palm) hats associated with the Phillipines, can be coarse or extremely fine like Panama hats--very light in weight typically.

http://punto.com.ph/News/Article/11108/Volume-5-No-9/Headlines/Giant-hat-to-highlight-Baliuag’s-Buntal-Fest

laotou
05-22-2011, 04:25 AM
Parabuntal or Balibuntal are woven straw hats associated with the Phillipines, can be coarse or extremely fine like Panama hats--very light in weight typically.

Thanks rlk!
Then no, Sunbodys are not Parabuntal. They are sewn palm leaf braids.

GamaH
05-22-2011, 11:32 AM
Ok I called Bencraft, and Steven was busy, but the guy on the phone was really helpful as well. He told me Panapore straw is paper straw, but in terms of natural straw and panapore, they'll both last as long and it's purely preference.

Which now, leaves me back to square 1.. As indecisive as I was when I purchased my first fedora.

Since there's no apparent quality difference (assuming they're from the same maker, and of the same grade of each's respective materials), what's the difference then, if any? E.g.; One is more formal...

Lefty
05-22-2011, 12:03 PM
I'd hate to be behind you at a coffee shop.
Pick one, enjoy it, buy another.
Repeat.

:)

GamaH
05-22-2011, 02:03 PM
I'd hate to be behind you at a coffee shop.
Pick one, enjoy it, buy another.
Repeat.
:)

Hahaha, you wouldn't. I order the same thing every single time at Starbucks. I'm not too big a fan of variations when it comes to food. As for buying what I like.. I dare not. I would end up purchasing 5 hats a month. Or per season, at the very least. This is my first time considering a straw hat and I already can't decide between 4.

Anyway, how versatile is a black fedora? Specifically, a Borsalino San Remo. I'm considering getting one for religious purposes, if nothing else.

http://www.bencrafthats.com/superfile/prod_img/SanRemoTaupe.jpg?st=1306097187
What is that knob beside the hatband though? Kinda spoils the look a little, imo.

I'm wondering if it'll look better on me/with my outfits than the Gazella. Although 190 bucks is a bit expensive to answer a question, so I think I need some input first.

Lefty
05-22-2011, 02:14 PM
photos of black hats and people wearing them (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?41583-The-Black-Hat-Brigade)

The button is a wind trolley/lapel cord.
Here's fletch showing how they work.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1256/1028247569_6cc6c63875_o.jpg

GamaH
05-22-2011, 02:30 PM
What does it do/what's it for, and can it be removed without ruining the hat?

Lefty
05-22-2011, 02:54 PM
It keeps the hat from flying away and is sometimes considered decorative - some have designs on the button. I've never bothered using any of mine.

Removal seems pretty easy, but I've never tried.

Quatermain
05-22-2011, 02:57 PM
Howdy folks! I'm the rare kind of person who actually LIKED the Richard Chamberlain "King Solomon's Mines" movie. So I'm interested to find out if anyone knows where I can find a replica of his hat. In fact I like his whole outfit but I think that was custom made. But can I get any leads on that hat? Would love to have one!
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/2820/vlcsnap2011052212h27m31.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/845/vlcsnap2011052212h27m31.png/)

http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/1261/vlcsnap2011052212h26m05.png


http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6897/00833.jpg

http://www.pulpsandcomics.com/dtaweb2/F2-04-688.jpg

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GamaH
05-22-2011, 03:00 PM
It keeps the hat from flying away and is sometimes considered decorative - some have designs on the button. I've never bothered using any of mine.

Removal seems pretty easy, but I've never tried.

Hmm, I see. Well, learn something new everyday! =P

Can I ask your personal opinion on this?

Between the Gray Gazella here:
http://www.bencrafthats.com/superfile/prod_img/BORSALINO-GAZELLA-GRAY.jpg?st=1306093203

and the black San Remo (which for some reason, doesn't seem to look all that black):
http://www.bencrafthats.com/superfile/prod_img/SanRemoTaupe.jpg?st=1306097187

Which do you think looks better?

Lefty
05-22-2011, 03:07 PM
That's got to be your decision. I really dislike both, as I'm more of a wider brim, straight-sided-untapered crown, no logo kind of guy. Some guys like the stingy, tapered look and wear it well. DRB's Gary Whites and Optimos are great hats that look great on him. (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?39808-The-Custom-Hatter)

GamaH
05-22-2011, 03:11 PM
That's got to be your decision. I really dislike both, as I'm more of a wider brim, straight-sided-untapered crown, no logo kind of guy. Some guys like the stingy, tapered look and wear it well. DRB's Gary Whites and Optimos are great hats that look great on him. (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?39808-The-Custom-Hatter)

Hm, fair enough. I dislike wide brims mainly because there's no way in hell I could pull a wide brim off.

What's a tear-drop crown btw?

Also, as a matter of practicality. Would it be overkill to buy 2 felt hats in a country that is mostly Summer year round? Because I'm on the move most of the time, and probably 80% of my days are spent in a country's Summer.

email68
05-22-2011, 03:25 PM
Thanks rlk.

I hadn't thought about the importance of keeping the sides of the brim more narrow to keep from that sombrero look.

-Tim




Not much functional purpose just a minor style alternative. They were made in versions with front and back deeper than sides and the opposite, sometimes just the front deeper. Deeper front gives more of sun visor and swoop without broadening the flap and overall width relative to face as much.

Lefty
05-22-2011, 03:51 PM
What's a tear-drop crown btw?

Also, as a matter of practicality. Would it be overkill to buy 2 felt hats in a country that is mostly Summer year round? Because I'm on the move most of the time, and probably 80% of my days are spent in a country's Summer.

As to practicality, that's up to you.

A teardrop (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?38228-Teardrop-Workshop) is one of many shapes/creases/bashes/etc. for a crown. Diamonds are also popular (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?22275-THE-DIAMOND-AUTHORITY). Some like a perfectly formed crease, while others like the shape to have a bit more "character".

rocknroper
05-22-2011, 05:58 PM
Anyone know of a good hat shop in NYC other than JJ Hats?

Jedwbpm
05-22-2011, 06:00 PM
Hm, fair enough. I dislike wide brims mainly because there's no way in hell I could pull a wide brim off.

What's a tear-drop crown btw?

Also, as a matter of practicality. Would it be overkill to buy 2 felt hats in a country that is mostly Summer year round? Because I'm on the move most of the time, and probably 80% of my days are spent in a country's Summer.

Here is a pic of me in my Borso on my way to church. It has a windcord. I like the cord personally.
http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz262/Jedwbpm/Fadoras/Borsoonasunday.jpg

Jeff

Omne
05-22-2011, 06:46 PM
Anyone know of a good hat shop in NYC other than JJ Hats?

Quick answer:

Bencraft Hatters
4202 13th Avenue
Brooklyn, NY 11219
(718) 384-5517
http://www.bencrafthats.com

Fedora Lounge Advertiser


Bencraft Hatters
236 Broadway
Brooklyn, NY 11211
(718) 438-9649
http://www.bencrafthats.com

Fedora Lounge Advertiser


Still Life
77 Orchard Street
New York, NY 10002
(212) 575-9704
http://www.stilllifenyc.com

Only Store Designed and Custom


Worth & Worth Hats
45 West 57th Street 6th Floor
New York, NY 10019
(212) 265-2887
http://www.hatshop.com/

Private Label Italian Hats, Hat Clean and Repair via mail

More details- see this thread:

http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?31181-Hat-Stores-a-list

GamaH
05-23-2011, 02:02 AM
Here is a pic of me in my Borso on my way to church. It has a windcord. I like the cord personally.
http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz262/Jedwbpm/Fadoras/Borsoonasunday.jpg

Jeff

Is that Black or Gray? Looks great btw.

Jedwbpm
05-23-2011, 03:26 AM
[QUOTE=GamaH;1238218]Is that Black or Gray? Looks great btw.[/QUOTE
It is Black
And thank you for the complement

Jeff

Tomasso
05-23-2011, 03:38 AM
Still Life
77 Orchard Street
New York, NY 10002
(212) 575-9704
http://www.stilllifenyc.com

Only Store Designed and Custom


Since you mentioned Still Life, I'll add....

http://makinshats.com/

:)

GamaH
05-23-2011, 03:48 AM
It is Black
And thank you for the complement

Jeff

Well, I am sold on a Black Fedora now. =P I think it looks amazing.

1961MJS
05-23-2011, 08:43 AM
Hi

Where on the hat brim do the holes for stampede strings go? Middle of the ear, front of the ear, behind the ear, inch in front of the ear? I live in Kansas, but I've NEVER had a hat with a stampede string and I need to know where to ask for it to be put. I'm also going to try it myself on a 5 year old twice crushed, never soaked (brittle) Sun Body.

Thanks

frussell
05-23-2011, 09:26 AM
I usually put the holes right behind my ear, so that when it's not in use I can snug it up behind my ears against the base of my skull. I find that if the holes are in front of my ear, the stampede string sits too far forward when not in use. I use mostly horsehair strings, so I don't really want them rubbing against my ears all day. Your preference may be otherwise, but I do use them often. I find it helpful on felt and straw to punch the holes with a hammer-struck hole punch made for leather. It makes a clean hole with no rough edges to tear. Frank

monbla256
05-23-2011, 10:40 AM
Here is a pic of me in my Borso on my way to church. It has a windcord. I like the cord personally.
http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz262/Jedwbpm/Fadoras/Borsoonasunday.jpg

Jeff

Jeff,
I like that Borso ALOT ! It works well w/suit and fits your head well. I can't tell from the angle in the photo but is that a bound brim on it? And I like the charcoal tone of that black, makes it work well with a wide range of other colors I'm sure. NICE, NICE hat :)

Jedwbpm
05-23-2011, 10:54 AM
Jeff,
I like that Borso ALOT ! It works well w/suit and fits your head well. I can't tell from the angle in the photo but is that a bound brim on it? And I like the charcoal tone of that black, makes it work well with a wide range of other colors I'm sure. NICE, NICE hat :)
Thank you Monbla. It is not bound, it is my goto church hat and also when I work at the Funeral Home. Here is a link to some for pics of it in the Borsalino Brotherhood thread
http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?13133-The-BORSALINO-BROTHERHOOD/page127

Jeff

1961MJS
05-23-2011, 11:13 AM
I usually put the holes right behind my ear, so that when it's not in use I can snug it up behind my ears against the base of my skull. I find that if the holes are in front of my ear, the stampede string sits too far forward when not in use. I use mostly horsehair strings, so I don't really want them rubbing against my ears all day. Your preference may be otherwise, but I do use them often. I find it helpful on felt and straw to punch the holes with a hammer-struck hole punch made for leather. It makes a clean hole with no rough edges to tear. Frank

Thanks Frank

Makes sense.

Later

gtdean48
05-23-2011, 11:38 AM
:arated:
I usually put the holes right behind my ear, so that when it's not in use I can snug it up behind my ears against the base of my skull. I find that if the holes are in front of my ear, the stampede string sits too far forward when not in use. I use mostly horsehair strings, so I don't really want them rubbing against my ears all day. Your preference may be otherwise, but I do use them often. I find it helpful on felt and straw to punch the holes with a hammer-struck hole punch made for leather. It makes a clean hole with no rough edges to tear. Frank

I do have 1 or 2 that are leather but all the rest of what Frank says is dead on target especially the hole puncher technique...

GamaH
05-23-2011, 11:40 AM
What Borso is that, Jed?

Jedwbpm
05-23-2011, 12:53 PM
What Borso is that, Jed?

http://www.delmonicohatter.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=IT95&Category_Code=Borsalino

bowlerman
05-23-2011, 01:40 PM
is it ok to superglue a few beads over a) a 3/4" crack in a derby brim, and b) a spurring crack in an otherwise supple sweatband?

photos to come-- this is for a Mallory derby that's in mostly great condition, and possibly dates to somewhere around 1934, based on newspaper clippings I found scrunched as padding under the sweatband.

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/4648/imgp9398.jpg

more photos in post new hats thread.

Chinaski
05-23-2011, 09:15 PM
Bowlerman, from the looks of that, if I'm seeing it correctly, I would try "blending" it with a needle so it sort of melds with the rest of the felt. I don't think you'd cause any harm trying this method. Others may have an idea for the sweatband problem.

Jantjeuh
05-24-2011, 12:36 AM
For having my campdraft on the way, I'd like to prepare myself/study a little on how to get a teardrop shape on it. Would anyone know if there is a clear instructional floating around, or perhaps even a youtube vid or something?

Thanks!

DudeInBlack
05-24-2011, 01:05 AM
For having my campdraft on the way, I'd like to prepare myself/study a little on how to get a teardrop shape on it. Would anyone know if there is a clear instructional floating around, or perhaps even a youtube vid or something?

Thanks!

For that you'll need the Teardrop Workshop
http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?38228-Teardrop-Workshop

And in the future, you can use the "Links to Important Threads" sticky for more primers, basics, and intros.

Good Luck. :)

bowlerman
05-24-2011, 04:08 AM
Bowlerman, from the looks of that, if I'm seeing it correctly, I would try "blending" it with a needle so it sort of melds with the rest of the felt. I don't think you'd cause any harm trying this method. Others may have an idea for the sweatband problem.

Thanks-- I will try it, but my lounge sleuthing is coming up blank for this needle blending thing. Can someone point me in the direction of that thread/post?

The sweatband is a little more fragile than I thought, as a light pull began a tear away from the stitches [insert perforated paper analogy here]. It fits perfectly, but now I'm afraid to wear it!

TCMfan25
05-24-2011, 06:53 AM
Would a light grey Borsalino Alessandria go well with a charcoal grey DB suit from Boyds?

gtdean48
05-24-2011, 07:16 AM
Sure, greys blend together. I like the lighter hat with the darker suit rather than the opposite, especially in the warmer months.

GamaH
05-24-2011, 07:17 AM
Do I still have to take my hat off in a place where Western etiquette doesn't always apply? E.g.; A Japanese/Korean/Chinese restaurant. If so, where do I place it? On a seat?

gtdean48
05-24-2011, 07:21 AM
Do I still have to take my hat off in a place where Western etiquette doesn't always apply? E.g.; A Japanese/Korean/Chinese restaurant. If so, where do I place it? On a seat?

You don't HAVE TO take it off except during the National Anthem IMHO. In a restaurant, I take mine off at the table IF there is a safe place to put it like a seat. Be careful because wait staff serve over vacant seats & drops do fall from plates & bowls. Don't ask my Stetson 100 how I know this....

zetwal
05-24-2011, 07:34 AM
With very few exceptions, I always remove my hat while eating (indoors). To date, I have always managed to find a safe place to put it. And I have never had a mishap. Just be aware of your surroundings and think it through.

zetwal
05-24-2011, 07:38 AM
Sure it can work.

rlk
05-24-2011, 08:10 AM
Light with dark is an easier blend than trying to match which is near impossible. Grays can be warm or cool which can make for a mismatch however. Some tend to the blue, green or beige tonalities.

Lefty
05-24-2011, 08:21 AM
Thanks-- I will try it, but my lounge sleuthing is coming up blank for this needle blending thing. Can someone point me in the direction of that thread/post?


Here you go.
moth bites (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?32602-Moth-Bites/page3)
moth damage (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?38635-Moth-Damage)

GamaH
05-24-2011, 09:43 AM
You don't HAVE TO take it off except during the National Anthem IMHO. In a restaurant, I take mine off at the table IF there is a safe place to put it like a seat. Be careful because wait staff serve over vacant seats & drops do fall from plates & bowls. Don't ask my Stetson 100 how I know this....

I've heard cases of that happening, which is my main worry.

Lefty
05-24-2011, 09:52 AM
Things can always be worse. (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?44193-Hat-Horror-Stories/page3)

GamaH
05-24-2011, 10:02 AM
So it's not really necessary to take your hat off in that case?

1961MJS
05-24-2011, 11:18 AM
Hi

I'm considering a sort of custom Xmas hat with an Xmas type ribbon. My grandmother's maiden name was Dunbar, and their tartan is a VERY good Christmas color. I found a place that makes both Polyester ribbon and lightweight wool ribbon.

http://www.thescottishweaver.com/TartanPlaidRibbon/woolribbon.html

Is either ribbon something that the custom hatters could make something with?

Thanks

jlee562
05-24-2011, 02:49 PM
So it's not really necessary to take your hat off in that case?

Depends on who you ask. If you ask me, I'd say that most "hat etiquette" is an anachronism, and wholly unnecessary. Others would vehemently disagree with me.

bowlerman
05-25-2011, 06:19 AM
Depends on who you ask. If you ask me, I'd say that most "hat etiquette" is an anachronism, and wholly unnecessary. Others would vehemently disagree with me.

I agree with jlee, especially regarding younger generations. Sometimes I follow more traditional guidelines, as I spend a lot of time in retirement homes as well as around elderly arts patrons, and the not only the etiquette, but the hat as well tends to be appreciated in these audiences.

Hatiquette among my peers isn't non-existent, but very relaxed: It's usually off while dining out, but there certainly isn't a practice of removing the lid upon first meeting a lady, and tipping it hat her for all successive encounters, etc.: it would be ridiculed, even if only in fun. Those younger folks who desire or expect that kind of behavior definitely appear to suffer from "have cake: eat also" syndrome, as in most circles chivalry died with the latest onset of women's liberation.

Incidentally, my wife and I would love it if I could make enough in my profession to sustain our family myself without her having to work, but that's become increasingly less common around here for the past few decades, and sociocultural customs and behavior reflect that, as for some reason men like to think they have some God-given entitlement over women when income is the biggest symptom. I suppose the Bible never really helped that ideology either.

Just imagine the day when men will be expected to leave their hats on at church, and women will be expected to remove them. It might be awhile, but fairly inevitable at this rate. Fine with me-- more "noggin' time," as I'm in the somewhat unique situation of having a full-time job, 2-3 part time jobs, and being a stay-at-home dad. How? you may ask: I tend to work nights, weekends, and during school hours. Wifey is 8-5.

flyfishark
05-25-2011, 08:19 AM
Is anyone familiar with "Vanity Hats?" This ad is from the Literary Digest, Sept. 11, 1920. It reads "College Men Admire the Smartness of Vanity Hats." The hat seems to have been made by the NONAME HAT MFG. CO., 220 Fifth Avenue, New York, with Plant at Orange, New Jersey, Since 1883. At the bottom of the ad it states "Seen in the Best of Company."
http://i54.tinypic.com/14tr2c9.jpg

Lefty
05-25-2011, 08:24 AM
No Name Hats were made by the Stetson family, though it's not the same company as Stetson. You can get a loft there. (http://www.handsinc.org/noname.htm)

Buler has posted a few more ads (and a hat, I think) in Stetson Stuff. (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?35338-Stetson-Stuff&p=1215176&viewfull=1#post1215176)

flyfishark
05-25-2011, 08:27 AM
No Name Hats were made by the Stetson family, though it's not the same company as Stetson. You can get a loft there. (http://www.handsinc.org/noname.htm)

Thanks, Lefty, somehow I knew you'd be the one to tell me what was hanging on my wall!

buler
05-25-2011, 08:31 AM
Thanks, Lefty, somehow I knew you'd be the one to tell me what was hanging on my wall!

See more ads from No Name/Vanity in the Stetson Stuff thread.... StetsonStuff (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?35338-Stetson-Stuff&p=1046071&highlight=vanity#post1046071)

Post # 137 is one.

B

rocknroper
05-25-2011, 10:55 AM
Does anyone out there know if a retailer in the NYC area carries a Stetson Open Road Straw Hat? JJ Hats do not, neither does Bencraft, I know I can buy one online but would just like to see it first.

Rick Blaine
05-25-2011, 11:41 AM
All the new ones are "shantung" straw- ie- plastic coated paper made into straw & woven.

Check here: Miller (http://www.millerhats.com/genuinepanama_index/panama2.html) and here (http://www.millerhats.com/panama_straw_hats/panamahats5.html) or if you are wealthy & microcephalic- http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g222/Greghats/peterbrosMontiOR.jpg

rocknroper
05-25-2011, 12:55 PM
Oh thanks, I was wondering why they were only $57, I have a couple of vintage Felt open roads, but would still like to see one in Straw. Guess I will have to wait till I'm in Texas.

TCMfan25
05-25-2011, 03:23 PM
Is the Borsalino Como an open crown hat? And are there other open crown Borsas other than the Alessandria?

jlee562
05-25-2011, 03:28 PM
There's nothing "wrong" per se with shangtung hats, it's just simply cheaper and easier to produce than a natural straw fiber. I have a Stetson shangtung Latte hat and its served me well.

TCMfan25
05-25-2011, 03:43 PM
Is the Borsalino Como open crown?

monbla256
05-25-2011, 03:52 PM
There's nothing "wrong" per se with shangtung hats, it's just simply cheaper and easier to produce than a natural straw fiber. I have a Stetson shangtung Latte hat and its served me well.

I agree that there is nothing "wrong" with the cheap Chinese shangtung hats except they are putting the weavers of the REAL PANAMA'S out of business ! So ya better order a REAL one soon as it is projected that most of the REAL weavers will not be making them anymore in about another decade. JMHO :)

jlee562
05-25-2011, 04:01 PM
Is the Borsalino Como an open crown hat? And are there other open crown Borsas other than the Alessandria?

I can't find any site that lists it as an open crown hat, which is generally the case when hats come open crown.

danofarlington
05-25-2011, 04:33 PM
Is the Borsalino Como open crown?

Definitely not. The blocking defines the model of the hat, as with all the other Borsalino models to my knowledge except the Alessandria.

jlee562
05-25-2011, 04:49 PM
This site list it with an open crown. It comes that way. Delmonico will send it shaped.

http://www.delmonicohatter.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=IT452&Category_Code=

The Alesandria yes, which I know is an open crown hat. The question however, was about the Como.

RBH
05-25-2011, 04:51 PM
The Alesandria yes, which I know is an open crown hat. The question however, was about the Como.

Yep... I removed my post.

TCMfan25
05-25-2011, 05:30 PM
If anyone owns a Continental Homburg by Borsalino could you post some pictures especially showing the front of the hat? thanks

DJH
05-25-2011, 05:53 PM
On the topic of Borsalino, does anyone know if they still make a roll-up model? I'd like to get hold of one of these, but good vintage ones seem to be really few and far between.

zetwal
05-25-2011, 06:12 PM
Yes there do. It's called a Borsalino Rollable.

DJH
05-25-2011, 06:24 PM
Yes there do. It's called a Borsalino Rollable.

Ah, who would have thought? I couldn't see it on the Borsalino site. I now see that Bencraft carries one as well, the Allegro (http://www.bencrafthats.com/product.php?pid=27&subcname=Borsalino).

terly
05-25-2011, 11:19 PM
I just wanna choose lightweight fedora hat (http://www.dealstudio.com/searchdeals.php?type=id&q=d250463&ru=56404352),what would be the best color,and easy to match with other clothes.

GamaH
05-26-2011, 04:57 AM
I might have to shave my head in the near future for army service; should I buy hats in the new size, or hope that my current size won't be too big without hair?

gtdean48
05-26-2011, 06:39 AM
I might have to shave my head in the near future for army service; should I buy hats in the new size, or hope that my current size won't be too big without hair?

I'd just get some felt strips to pad the sweats to snug 'em up if needed...JMHO

GamaH
05-26-2011, 07:38 AM
The problem is.. the sides of my hair are similar to this (I have more hair on the tops of my heads, but that's another thing--it doesn't affect size).

http://www.bangitout.com/uploads/85cop.jpg

Once those locks are gone, I think it might decrease by almost 2 hat sizes.

DNO
05-26-2011, 01:25 PM
Is there a clear distinction between a fedora and a trilby or are the terms pretty well interchangeable?

jlee562
05-26-2011, 02:13 PM
The problem is.. the sides of my hair are similar to this (I have more hair on the tops of my heads, but that's another thing--it doesn't affect size).

Once those locks are gone, I think it might decrease by almost 2 hat sizes.

You know, the looseness of your hats may have something to do with this. 2 sizes is a lot, I have a hard time believing the difference would be that great. Hair compresses.

monbla256
05-26-2011, 04:40 PM
Is there a clear distinction between a fedora and a trilby or are the terms pretty well interchangeable?

I've always understood it to be a style of Fedora, predominately used in Great Britain.

TCMfan25
05-26-2011, 05:49 PM
How do you properly clean a grosgrain Ribbon?
One as spotty as this? http://buy.id.ebay.com/buying/en/display/280684803259_VINTAGE-STRAW-BOATER-HAT-CAVANAGH-MADE-IN-ITALY-71

DNO
05-26-2011, 06:07 PM
Thanks Monbla256.

I just picked up a dark brown fedora/trilby made by Bates in London. It's my first English-made hat (aside from a '40's vintage Scott's and Co. homburg) and I've got a number of fedoras, so I do believe I'll refer to this one as my trilby.

Ta