Waist coats are a jacket's best friend...

[PADDY]

I JUST love to wear a waist coat with a suit or a jacket and slacks. Something about it gents that just raises the stakes in cutting a dash! Of course waist coats are nothing new, and gentlemen from the 18th Century can be seen strutting their stuff in a fine array of these little jackets with big hearts. If a waist coat were reincarnated as a dog, I dare say it would be a breed like a mini schnauzer or a highland terrier, small in stature...but with the heart of a lion, that just demands to be respected.

Far from being the jacket's poor relation, or the young pretender to the throne, I personally feel it is the "power" behind the throne, that lifts the overall dress of the gentleman.

So versatile, it can be worn as a semi-casual item with the jacket off, in a variety of fabrics (moleskin is my fav) from a heavy country gent's tweed to a fine linen or flannel, to being worn as the full suit of armour as a three piece suit.

I rarely get compliments about a suit I wear, or a jacket...BUTTTTT, the waistcoats get LOADS, especially from the ladies! to quote one; " I love to see a man wearing a waistcoat, it's far too rare these days!!"

Yes gentlemen, there's something about a fine waistcoat that just raises you above the rest of the crowd. And the good news is, we're coming into good waist coat wearing weather again in many parts of the northern hemisphere, as autumn/fall settles in.

A figure hugging double breasted waistcoat, watch and chain, now that's what I call STYLE! (and don't forget, with single breasted waistcoats, always leave the bottom button undone, a fine tradition since one of the Kings of England established it).

So, who else has a penchant for waistcoats? and show us your pics (I know! I'm getting some sorted as we speak ;)

[scotrace]

There's a leather waistcoat ( I love the brit pronunciation, something like "wescut.") at Orvis I still covet, with lapels and pockets. Maybe Father Christmas will bring one this year... Though I've asked for the shearling/leather cap from HPA.
I saw a fellow in a tweedy waistcoat with watch pockets and lapels. He was a clerk in a mens clothing shop and I said "AHA! Sell me THAT!" Sadly, he'd had it custom made.
What I'd like to assemble for this winter is the sort of Shooting Clobber one sees in posed photos of English hunting parties. Tweed half-belt jackets, lapel'd wasitcoats, wide wale cords or heavy woolen trousers, and a soft cap. Picture any of the farmers in the James Herriot stories and you're about there.
Like this, as a general feel for what I'm after:

http://mysite.verizon.net/respd8l2/tweedy3.jpg
Or this, minus the smarmy expression:

http://mysite.verizon.net/respd8l2/tweedy2.jpg
This Cap, anyone make one like it?:

http://mysite.verizon.net/respd8l2/tweedy1.jpg

Anxious to see your wescuts, Paddy! :)

[Matt Deckard]

http://www.lottaliving.com/albums/bond_party/ian.sized.jpg

[Veronica Parra]

What the hell happened to your eye, Matt?

[Sefton]

Paddy,
That sets the standard for an ode to a waist coat! Excellent stuff indeed. I'll second the request to see some pictures of your (and the other gentlemen and ladies too!)examples of said item. Sadly I myself haven't a waist coat (yet!) ;)

[Veronica Parra]

Me.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/Veronicaparra/129.jpg

[Angelicious]

Marc:

Nice! :)

[PADDY]

Modelling what I call my "Last Man Standing" hat (vintage Henry the Hatter) and wearing a four pocket back and grey tweed waistcoat.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/Paddy_Middleton/HenrytheHatter002.jpg

[The Mad Hatter]

I really like a low cut 3-button waistcoat in Scottish tartan.

I think these are intended for formal Highland attire; but I just wear them underneath a low-gorge sports jacket.

It has a raffish quality.

[PADDY]

This is one of the standard moleskin waistcoats I often wear to work, especially in the autumn/winter months.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/Paddy_Middleton/worksuit012.jpg

[SHARPETOYS]

Baker Street wool vest. I like the lapels!

http://www.orvis.com/store/product_choice.asp?pf_id=82P0&dir_id=885&group_id=2696&cat_id=5569&subcat_id=7247&feature_id=570

Leather Vest.

http://www.orvis.com/store/product_choice.asp?pf_id=36L6&dir_id=885&group_id=2696&cat_id=5569&subcat_id=7247&feature_id=570

I want only one any suggestions :)

[SHARPETOYS]

More waist coats and other clothing.:)

http://www.gentlemansemporium.com/store/vests.php

[scotrace]

The expedition vest is the one I want. If you get it, I'd love to see a picture of how it actually looks!
of course, both those are super, so why not get 'em both? :cheers1:

[The Mad Hatter]

I have had made four three-button, low gorge tartan vests (one reddish, one greenish, one yellowish, and one blueish) from ,Burnetts-Struth (http://www.burnetts-struth.com) in Canada resembling this except with horn rather than brass buttons:


http://www.neoclassicists.net/tailor/vest.jpg

[Phog Allen]

Hello gents. I looked over this post awhile back and tried to make myself remember to post a link to a nice website with tons of waistcoats. I believe the ones that are seen at the gentlemansemporium link that sharpetoys posted are made by WahMaker. I have one of their vests and like it a lot. The list their clothing as frontier style but it really works well for late Victorian or Edwardian era clothing. The vests work nicely with newer style jackets as well. If I can get a pic posted of mine I'll do it. A very nice, dark wine coloured model that I enjoy wearing immensely.

Todd

http://reps.scullyleather.com/catalog/category.asp?BRN=WAH

[Phog Allen]

Evening gents. Just thought I'd add that the waistcoat I have is the 49'er model. The pics at gentlemansemporium don't do it credit. The little pic above the main pic shows a better likeness. It's definately darker than the main pic. I'd like to have one in the green as well.

BTW Scotrace. That pic is perfect. Though most here are really big on the late 30's/mid 40's look, that pic could have been taken from 1905-55 anywhere in the North of England to Dublin. Just a classic styling that I love dearly. Mayhaps because of all the Mick Irish blood in me! Well, I will own up to a bit of limey blood on me mother's side of the family. Great look. Man I love that cap!

Todd

[Chad Sanborn]

Aren't waistcoats and vests 2 seperate types of garments? Though they look similar.
It is my understanding that a vest has buttons down the center, with the bottom one always left undone. The waistcoat is basically a vest with longer front panels like double breasted suit. One crosses over the other and buttons on the side.

Again I might be wrong. Can anyone clear this up?

Chad

[Veronica Parra]

These days, "waistcoat" is a British way of saying "vest" ... or "vest" is an American way of saying "waistcoat". Or not. :p

[BellyTank]

A Vest is an undergarment in the UK-

A waistcoat is a waist-coat.;)

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[Mycroft]

I just back from NYC and the Brookes Brothers there is all about the waist coats, big, I mean tweed, wool, leather, all of it.

[PADDY]

A waistcoat is a waistcoat, is a waistcoat. That small sleeveless jacket that comes down to your waist that one wears beneath a full length conventional jacket. Tradition dictates that gentlemen wear it fully buttoned with the last button undone, in memory of King Edward VII.

Supposedly this practice began when the British king Edward VII grew too large a stomach to close the last button, and other gentlemen of his company slavishly followed the example, whether out of courtesy or because Edward was such a style setter they thought it an appealing touch. Whatever the impetus, the fashion caught on quickly, and leaving the bottom button idle is still considered de rigueur for fastidious dressers. In The Road To Wigan Pier (1937), George Orwell, rather sneeringly I'm afraid, reminded his readers of the English class-consciousness of such idiosyncrasies of dress: Comrade X, it so happens, is an old Etonian. He would be ready to die on the barricades, in theory anyway, but you notice that he still leaves his bottom waistcoat button undone!

A vest, as BT rightly point out, is an undergarment, just like underpants are undergarments. And you wear your vest underneath a conventional shirt to keep warm. Having said that, you do, on odd occasions, see rather uncouth fashion disasters of men, with pot bellies, sporting a stained and yellowing 'vest' that allows their rolled tummy to overflow like Angel Falls, over their equally stained and saggy denim jeans. It's also fashionable to accompany this look with a 5 o'clock shadow, a cigarette end hanging out of the side of one's mouth and having breath that makes the aroma of a badger's armpit decisively tasty!

The idea of a waistcoat being referred to as 'a vest' died out in the 18th Century, thank goodness!, if my mind serves me correctly!

How the two terms can ever be confused today, beggers belief.

[BellyTank]

Athletic vest, Singlet...

Cotton jersey knit under garment.

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[Mycroft]

A waistcoat is a waistcoat, is a waistcoat. That small sleeveless jacket that comes down to your waist that one wears beneath a full length conventional jacket. Tradition dictates that gentlemen wear it fully buttoned with the last button undone, in memory of King Edward VII.

Supposedly this practice began when the British king Edward VII grew too large a stomach to close the last button, and other gentlemen of his company slavishly followed the example, whether out of courtesy or because Edward was such a style setter they thought it an appealing touch. Whatever the impetus, the fashion caught on quickly, and leaving the bottom button idle is still considered de rigueur for fastidious dressers. In The Road To Wigan Pier (1937), George Orwell, rather sneeringly I'm afraid, reminded his readers of the English class-consciousness of such idiosyncrasies of dress: Comrade X, it so happens, is an old Etonian. He would be ready to die on the barricades, in theory anyway, but you notice that he still leaves his bottom waistcoat button undone!

A vest, as BT rightly point out, is an undergarment, just like underpants are undergarments. And you wear your vest underneath a conventional shirt to keep warm. Having said that, you do, on odd occasions, see rather uncouth fashion disasters of men, with pot bellies, sporting a stained and yellowing 'vest' that allows their rolled tummy to overflow like Angel Falls, over their equally stained and saggy denim jeans. It's also fashionable to accompany this look with a 5 o'clock shadow, a cigarette end hanging out of the side of one's mouth and having breath that makes the aroma of a badger's armpit decisively tasty!


The idea of a waistcoat being referred to as 'a vest' died out in the 18th Century, thank goodness!, if my mind serves me correctly!

How the two terms can ever be confused today, beggers belief.

That is power first hand, eh. Well, I am going to buy my first 3-piece suit soon, I decided in the airport yesterday. Any suggestions on the general way a waist coat should fit and feel.

[scotrace]

...with pot bellies, sporting a stained and yellowing 'vest' that allows their rolled tummy to overflow like Angel Falls, over their equally stained and saggy denim jeans. It's also fashionable to accompany this look with a 5 o'clock shadow...

"If you and your undershirt would take two paces backward, I could enter this dwelling."
"May I have three aspirins? You'll find them in the medicine cabinet, just behind the untouched can of shaving cream."


Hobson, from the film "Arthur"

[BellyTank]

...for the record...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/zaphobeeblebrox/1937_Waistcoats.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/zaphobeeblebrox/1937_Waistcoatsa.jpg

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[Veronica Parra]

Great!

Don't forget knit waistcoats.

[BellyTank]

...just for the record...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/zaphobeeblebrox/1937_Knit_WCoat.jpg

...a War, is it..?

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[Veronica Parra]

Great picture! Trippy knit waistcoat!

[Alan Eardley]

The waistcoat...a worthy and under-rated item of clothing. I'm regarded as eccentric in wearing a waistcoat both formally and informally as not many men in the UK wear them now, except as formal wear. I venture to suggest a reason: in terms of fit, a waistcoat is an unforgiving garment, I feel. If you're 150 lbs they look great; if you're 200 lbs, you get a sort of overhang that looks...well, unsightly. Perhaps that's why not many men wear them nowadays. They go with a 1930s or 1940s male body. Maybe we should leave it at that. Just my opinion.

[BellyTank]

...that's what they call them in England...

I do wear them- sleeveless pullover/sweater/slip-over...

A Fair Isle Tank Top!

I like these- nice with a collar and tie...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/zaphobeeblebrox/9d_1_b.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/zaphobeeblebrox/7a_1_b.jpg

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[Baron Kurtz]

And you wear your vest underneath a conventional shirt to keep warm. Having said that, you do, on odd occasions, see rather uncouth fashion disasters of men, with pot bellies, sporting a stained and yellowing 'vest' that allows their rolled tummy to overflow like Angel Falls, over their equally stained and saggy denim jeans. It's also fashionable to accompany this look with a 5 o'clock shadow, a cigarette end hanging out of the side of one's mouth and having breath that makes the aroma of a badger's armpit decisively tasty!

Ahem, i believe this image will convey the look well. Rab C. always was a looker:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/images/400/rabcnesbitt_2.jpg

Whew, haven't thought about him for many a year. Thank you for bringing that image back to mind

[Mojave Jack]

I continuously troll e-Bay for good waistcoats, though I have to use "vest" as the search term or only itmes for sale in Great Britain result. I've been keeping my eye on the Territory Ahead Outpost Vest, hpoing for a sale to make it affordable; The same for most of the Orvis options, too.

Hemingway (right) and I are of a similar opinion, as you can see here: Mojave and Hemingway at the QM (http://www.thegoldenera.net/images/events/QM_Mojave_Hem.jpg)

[scotrace]

In the past week, I've screwed up my family's gifting plans and gotten myself two new waistcoats. One is a J. Peterman lambskin with low gorge, lapels and two flap pockets in a mottled burgundy. It has an extra buttonhole turned the opposite direction from the others for a watch chain. The back is a paisley print satin. The other is the Orvis Expedition vest, which I've wanted for two years and expected to really really like but it's cut rather short. It's in cowhide with flap pockets, lapels, high gorge and five (hard to fasten) buttons in front and two adjuster buttons in back (one of which fell off as soon as the thing came out of the box). This one is leather all the way 'round, with a gold satin lining - cowboyish. Clothes from Orvis fit me oddly. Always too big around and too short. I guess the average fly fisherman must have the average round shape. I may yet send it back.
Anyone have any of the Scully/Wahmaker canvas waistcoats? The tweed ones from Orvis?
Pictures as soon as I can.

[PADDY]

Scot, they sound great! looking forward to getting the pics up on the room here! Oh, and with the extra button hole for a watch...have you got one that you are likely to wear with the coat? As a pocket watch will just raise that coat into another dimension!! Good luck with it.

[Nick Charles]

Hey Scot I have a bunch of the Wahmaker vests, 1 canvas and the rest wool. They are great with only 1 drawback, they don't usually come with a pointed hem, only straight cut.

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7371/breeks0014rp.jpg

the best place to get them by far is www.wildwestmercantile.com they get limited runs and overstock from scully and sell them cheap.

[scotrace]

Hey Scot I have a bunch of the Wahmaker vests, 1 canvas and the rest wool. They are great with only 1 drawback, they don't usually come with a pointed hem, only straight cut...
...the best place to get them by far is www.wildwestmercantile.com they get limited runs and overstock from scully and sell them cheap.

Thanks for the info and link. I found an Ebayer who sells the stuff fairly cheaply, but they're all canvas pieces. The Orvis vest is a but like that. The bottom is pointed but still... not pointed enough? Makes it too short.
You look great in that by the way. Nice waistcoat!
As soon as I get the tree up and settle down a bit tonight, I'll try and get some pictures up.
And Paddy, I do indeed have a watch to wear with it. It's a Deuber-Hampden schoolhouse model, late 1870's. It was a Christmas gift from my then-girlfriend, now-wife. Our first Christmas together...
Thanks you, gents, as usual. Always a big help.

[Wild Root]

Vest is what we Yanks call a waist coat. BT, I have to say you're images you posted a page ago are just simply marvelous! Very nice images you shared!

I'm going to continue calling a waistcoat a vest because that's how us yanks prefer it.;) Just as you Brits insist on calling French fries "Chips" :rolleyes: J/K. There's no correct name for it, it's just the name our countries call some similar items.

Another item I must bring to attention. A waistcoat is not a jacket or outer wear. This is more of a "General Attire" topic I feel. Yeah, I'm playing that record again so sue me! Just like to make that clear.

Cheers,
=WR=

[BellyTank]

...it's part of a suit really...

B
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[Wild Root]

This is true!;)

=WR=

[BellyTank]

...but I guess Paddy had the thread's title in mind when he initiated this little gem-

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[scotrace]

(The manufacturers call them vests)

http://mysite.verizon.net/respd8l2/petermanvest.jpg
The Lambsuede vest from J. Peterman (no longer offered). Low gorge, lapels, long. Flap pockets, paisley acetate backing and lining. A watch chain buttonhole. It's a sort of mottled chocolate brown.

http://mysite.verizon.net/respd8l2/orvisvest.jpg
Orvis Expedition Vest in cowhide. Higher gorge, lapels. Flap pockets, All leather back & front, acetate (gold) lined. Wish it were longer.

I button the last button. If The King is sloppy, it can't be helped... :)

[BellyTank]

Nice Scott!

I dig the perm too! Nice 'n' voluminous...:)

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[scotrace]

Nice Scott!

I dig the perm too! Nice 'n' voluminous...:)

B
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What a Pal you are to point that out... :cheers1:

[scotrace]

The Leather Expedition vest from Orvis has proved a disappointment. One of the waist adjuster buttons fell off out of the box, and now a front button has popped off. Being leather, it's not just a simple sew-on to repair. The leather is also showing signs of flaking.
Orvis has offered to take it back for a full refund (including all shipping), but I cannot exhange it as this item has been discontinued.
So I can either take it to a leather shop to have the buttons reattached and goop it up regularly, or send it back and do without the vest I coveted so long. Then again, the money could then go to my A2 savings cigar box.
Don't you hate when something you really wanted turns out to be a flop?

[SHARPETOYS]

Yes I do but its better to just send it back . I'm sure we will run across a better and nicer vest real soon. Maybe a custom model.:)

[scotrace]

Looks nearly the same, but with just one pocket flap:

http://www.sieglers.com/cgi-bin/Sieglers.storefront/43c9de3701d4131e9c4ec0a80ae806d1/Product/View/151615&2D3?wt_prodno=151615-3&wt_cat=#ParentCategoryName&wt_subcat=%23CategoryName

[John in Covina]

Me.http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/Veronicaparra/129.jpg
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Now that is a classic look. I really like the morning suit, here jacket, trousers and lapeled DB vest, simply extraordinary. If anyone has seen the movie "International House" with W.C. Fields, Franklin Pangborn is the hotel manager an dhe has the best morning suit I have seen.

Man that is so great to see.

[SHARPETOYS]

I like this one also.I know they make good leather jackets I've had one for 35 years.

http://www.scullyleather.com/item.asp?BRN=SLW&DIV=MEN&CAT=VS&SEA=F0&BDY=30&RMC=&page=0

I saw several sites that said send a picture and they would make the vest custom from the leather of your choice.

[bgbdesign]

Here are a few I have - they're worn when the mood strikes

I'll probably replace the shearling lining with cotton or satin on this one...too hot.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/troopcarrier/suedevest.jpg
A nice vivid red corduroy for the holidays
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/troopcarrier/macred.jpg
Nobody can ignore this fancy corduroy
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/troopcarrier/brentwood.jpg
I've worn this wool vest countless times-goes with anything
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/troopcarrier/byford.jpg
An old tux vest and a wool low cut that really shows off a tie-almost too new for me!
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/troopcarrier/dunhill.jpg
Browns "beachcloth" vests are fairly common- Leo wore one inTitanic!
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/troopcarrier/browns.jpg
A very old linen-probably from the 30's
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/troopcarrier/lin-bge.jpg
Another linen with a Beverly Hills label
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/troopcarrier/linstripe.jpg
And the last is a jacket with it's own vest!
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/troopcarrier/vestjkt1.jpg
IMG]http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/troopcarrier/vestjkt2.jpg[/IMG]

[scotrace]

Every once in awhile you get up in the morning and check the lounge and find - treasure!
Thanks for posting these pistures, those are fantastic and not something we'd see otherwise.
Thanks!!

[bgbdesign]

Thanks much for the kind words-it was a bit of effort but here in the midwest US there is not a lot of local interest in this stuff. I'm happy to do it!
all the best
bg

[John in Covina]

...for the record...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/zaphobeeblebrox/1937_Waistcoats.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/zaphobeeblebrox/1937_Waistcoatsa.jpg

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The two double breasted vests shown in these advertisement drawings, the peak and shawl lapels. Anyone com across any manufacturers or suppliers? I'd like a contact or web site if you know of a source.

Many thanks!

[geo]

Like I said in the 3-piece suit thread:

double-breasted waistcoat, this one in light grey wool:

http://www.pakeman.co.uk/proddetail.asp?prod=1993

You can ask them to make one especially for you in other fabrics that you see on their web site. They did a single-breasted one in charcoal chalkstripe for me to match the suit.

[Baron Kurtz]

I remember in one of the Lord Peter Wimsey stories him referring to a drug dealing youthful tearaway type as "the kind of man who wears a double breasted waistcoat". Very cutting ...

I love them

bk

[flat-top]

Ralph Lauren RRL.......
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f159/Orbo/IMG_1021.jpg
Looks just like #4 in BT's pics above!

[scotrace]

Ralph Lauren RRL.......
Looks just like #4 in BT's pics above!

Nice NICE! Is there a source?? Wow!

[flat-top]

Nice NICE! Is there a source?? Wow!
RRL stuff, as far as I can see, is widely unavailable. The entire line was vintage inspired and looked amazing (I'll post some more pics of the other pieces I have). It was also EX-PEN-SIVE! There may still be a RRL store NY, but I'm not sure.
That vest though, was purchased (sheilds self) at Marshalls a few years ago for like $20!!
flat-top

[Marc Chevalier]

RRL -- also known as "double RL", or "Ralph Lauren Country Store" (same product, different name) -- is long gone. The line was discontinued a few years ago. Here in L.A., I only saw it sold in such vintage-inspired shops as American Rag Cie. RRL sold collarless shirts with a buttonhole on the back of the neckband: to insert a brass collar button in, of course! The neckties were unlined,folded over, AND short: just like the ones from the 1930s and before. Even the labels were artificially yellowed, in order to give them an aged, deadstock look. In other words, pure (fake) vintage. And as you said, their prices were obscene: a cotton plaid necktie -- nothing special, mind you -- cost over $60.

[Baron Kurtz]

Buttoning 6-button (3 to fasten) DB waistcoat ...

How to do it? With bottom right button done up, or undone?

bk

[shindeco]

Buttoning 6-button (3 to fasten) DB waistcoat ...

How to do it? With bottom right button done up, or undone?

bk

Done up. Double breasted waistcoats and evening waistcoats are always buttoned completely.

[Baron Kurtz]

donkey shin ...

bk

[Mr_Misanthropy]

I just saw this topic for the first time, what a surprise! So this is my feeble attempt at resuscitating it. I am a big waistcoat fan. When I wear a three piece to a bar or club, I always think i'm just the cat's pajamas when playing billiards in my suit, minus jacket. It's like a casual, dressy, snappy, sophisticated, stylish look. All of the ones I have are pretty form fitting, and I assume that's how they're supposed to be. I was told once that a waistcoat/vest is like a girdle for men. :) Yes, I suppose it could be used to hold back some excess girth.. anyway, I only have this one waistcoat pic at the moment.. it's from my new English three piece from the 40's, made by Burton.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a78/Odinoneeye/100_1251.jpg

-Jeremiah

Edit: I forgot to ask.. would this waistcoat be work with say.. black or gray slacks and a coordinating shirt and tie? Or should I just leave it with the pants it came with?

[Baron Kurtz]

Jacket and wescut with starkly contrasted trousers. Maybe light grey or brown (that Burton's suit is blue pinstripe, right?). Would make a nice sporting outfit.

Or that waistcoat with a light 2 piece suit - I often sport an orphaned blue PS waistcoat with a light brown herringbone SB 2 piece ...

bk

[Mr_Misanthropy]

Baron -

Yes, it's pinstriped.. here's a closeup..

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a78/Odinoneeye/1d_1_b.jpg

So you're saying wear the matching jacket and waistcoat with light grey trousers? Hmmm.... I do have light grey trousers. And another option would be the grey suit and the Burtons' waistcoat? Interesting. What about the grey waistcoat with the Burton's jacket and trousers? :eek:

-Jeremiah

[Baron Kurtz]

Not really the place. I never wear this. Far too fragile; it just hangs around looking pretty. mid C19th waistcoat. probably for a wedding. All hand done ... naturally ... Enjoy ...

http://homepage.mac.com/misskat0/baronkurtz/Vict1.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/misskat0/baronkurtz/Vict2.jpg

Off in the shipment.

bk

[Marc Chevalier]

And I still recognize that tie! lol

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[Baron Kurtz]

Yep, couldn't resist it at a mesely $10 opening bid.

bk

[Wild Root]

Edit: I forgot to ask.. would this waistcoat be work with say.. black or gray slacks and a coordinating shirt and tie? Or should I just leave it with the pants it came with?

When pairing a dark colored vest with anything other then the original suit it came with, you want to pair it with light colors! Tan, light gray, light blue/gray, or ivory! You don't want to pair it with dark colors... it will look like an attempt to make a vest part of a three piece suit... and I believe you mentioned you have all the pieces already so... I'd just wear it with the suit it came with.;)

=WR=

[Marc Chevalier]

Yep, couldn't resist it at a mesely $10 opening bid.

Baron, my philosophy is simple. If it went to the right person, it went at the right price. :)

.

[ArrowCollarMan]

http://homepage.mac.com/misskat0/baronkurtz/Vict1.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/misskat0/baronkurtz/Vict2.jpgbk
I was never into flashy waistcoats until I saw that. That is beautiful! I'd wear that!

[drownman]

Hello all. I'm fairly new here but I like what I see so far :)

I bought this waist coat today, and I wonder if you've seen this type of 'extra' lining before? It hung with a frock coat that was priced a little too hign, so I got just the waist coat and trousers.

I'm sorry for not posting pics, but maybe a video gives a better picture in the end? And I'm sorry for the wire hanger :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps93-r3sFws

Thanks in advance!

[The Wolf]

The video is clever way of showing the wesket.:eusa_clap
It must be a vest for grooms. He can nervously sweat through one lining and still look cool.

The Wolf

[Orgetorix]

Hello all. I'm fairly new here but I like what I see so far :)

I bought this waist coat today, and I wonder if you've seen this type of 'extra' lining before? It hung with a frock coat that was priced a little too hign, so I got just the waist coat and trousers.

I'm sorry for not posting pics, but maybe a video gives a better picture in the end? And I'm sorry for the wire hanger :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps93-r3sFws

Thanks in advance!

The "extra lining" that buttons in around the edge is called a slip. I think such a thing is a descendent of what once would have been a full lining meant to protect the waistcoat from getting soiled (when shirts were considered undergarments). They've become pretty rare today, and are generally only worn for the most formal events. Prince Charles wore one in his wedding last year with his DB waistcoat under a morning coat. That's the last time I remember seeing one.

[Lord Jagged]

I think waistcoats are the proper finishing touch to a suit and where else could I wear my collection of 19th century pocket watches? The waistcoat is a really classic touch I think!

[scotrace]

It is always amazing what you can learn at The Fedora Lounge. So THAT'S how a vest slip attaches. I had wondered about this very thing, and now will know what I'm looking at if I see one.

Thanks for posting that video.

[drownman]

The "extra lining" that buttons in around the edge is called a slip. I think such a thing is a descendent of what once would have been a full lining meant to protect the waistcoat from getting soiled (when shirts were considered undergarments). They've become pretty rare today, and are generally only worn for the most formal events. Prince Charles wore one in his wedding last year with his DB waistcoat under a morning coat. That's the last time I remember seeing one.

A slip you say? Intruiging! Thank you very much. I didn't know anything about it, now I know alot more, when to wear it. Now I just need to find a formal occasion...


It is always amazing what you can learn at The Fedora Lounge. So THAT'S how a vest slip attaches. I had wondered about this very thing, and now will know what I'm looking at if I see one.

Thanks for posting that video.

Anytime :) I couldn't get pics up, so I had to use a video instead. But that seems to work well.

[Zemke Fan]

http://images.orvis.com/orvis_assets/prodimg/07TPL6XB.jpg

Irish Donegal Wool Waistcoat ($198) Known in Ireland as a “warmer,” our pure wool waistcoat is a touch longer than its American cousin, the vest. Woven and sewn in Ireland, our vest’s subtle color-block pattern sports a classic red windowpane. Full acetate lining for comfort. Button front. In multi print. Dry clean. Ireland.

http://www.orvis.com/orvis_assets/prodimg/82PRPBblack.jpg.http://www.orvis.com/orvis_assets/prodimg/82PRPBblue.jpg

Prince of Wales Wool Vest ($98) A pure wool version of the style first popularized when Edward, Prince of Wales, was photographed wearing it in the 1920s. Made in the USA, it sports an adjustable back belt and two front pockets. The perfect alternative to a jacket or sweater at the office. In blue/gray, black/white. Dry clean. USA.

http://www.orvis.com/orvis_assets/prodimg/51ALFHcamel.jpg.http://www.orvis.com/orvis_assets/prodimg/51ALFHlovat.jpg

Original Moleskin Vest ($129) Our Original Moleskin Men’s Vest is a design copied from the wardrobe of Edward VIII, Duke of Windsor. Cotton moleskin, a soft yet rugged shorn-pile fabric, holds up against brush and blunts the wind. Supple, comfortable, and quiet whilst stalking red grouse in the shadow of the Munros, Scotland’s highest mountains. Slash pockets and adjustable back belt for a personalized fit. Vest has a poly lining for comfort. In camel, lovat. Dry clean. Imported.

[Mojave Jack]

Nice! Really like that Irish warmer.

Now if I didn't have to sell my house to afford all these things, I'd get a few. How the heck can a vest cost $98? I just ordered a British India Officer's shirts, and it only cost $65. Surely a vest would be comparatively less considering how much less work goes into it.

[John in Covina]

Surely a vest would be comparatively less considering how much less work goes into it.

Actually I think they are probably alot more work than we realize. Think of making a suit jacket or blazer that lays right but without the sleeves. Linings and construction may be more like a jacket too.

[Zemke Fan]

Filson X-Long Mackinaw Wool Vest ($105.00)

http://fil.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pFILSON1-2230584p275w.jpg

[Feraud]

Now if I didn't have to sell my house to afford all these things, I'd get a few. How the heck can a vest cost $98? I just ordered a British India Officer's shirts, and it only cost $65. Surely a vest would be comparatively less considering how much less work goes into it. I agree about the costs of the vests. Orvis is a tad over priced when it comes to their stuff. I don't fancy paying a 100 bucks for a vest when shirts are 50-70 dollars.
Btw, I have the British India Officer's shrit. Let me know how you like it when it arrives! We can do a "show & tell" review thread!

[Dinerman]

I've only come accross one I liked at a goodwill. I wear it ALL the time though. It's got a cool pattern in the silk back, and a neat little deco design in the buckle on the back. My dad says it's '70's. I'm thinking eariler.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j164/dinerman/th_IMG_2879.jpg (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j164/dinerman/IMG_2879.jpg)
what do you think? can you tell anything from the cloth?

[Marc Chevalier]

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My favorite daytime waistcoat. J. Peterman by way of eBay.



http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j62/cleydael/newpics022.jpg

[Mojave Jack]

I agree about the costs of the vests. Orvis is a tad over priced when it comes to their stuff. I don't fancy paying a 100 bucks for a vest when shirts are 50-70 dollars.
Btw, I have the British India Officer's shrit. Let me know how you like it when it arrives! We can do a "show & tell" review thread!

Well, it arrived...but it's going back. Shall we start a thread?

[Feraud]

Well, it arrived...but it's going back. Shall we start a thread? Yes. Let us discuss it in it's own thread.

[Nick Charles]

Damn Marc thats awsome.

[scotrace]

It IS awesome. Let the hunt begin.

[Marc Chevalier]

That model of J. Peterman vest still shows up on eBay from time to time. The winning bids have varied from about $30 to $70. Would you like me to PM you if and when it turns up again?

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[Nick Charles]

I would most defintatley. L-XL I look every couple of days at the Peterman stuff, and lately its been quite picked over, I did get a really nice plaid shirt and Yellow sweater vest though.

[scotrace]

I'll be watching also - if you spot something, Marc, please do share.

[Zemke Fan]

recently only to discover that I'm not really a dress vest kinda guy...

Both are 100% wool, NWT, Oscar de la Renta. (See Classifieds for details.)

Brown:

http://www.fhhutchison.com/images/fedora/Vest2.jpg

Navy Blue:

http://www.fhhutchison.com/images/fedora/Vest1.jpg

[The Duke]

I like wearing my suit with a waistcoat and a bowler hat, always nice!

[thetankw/ahat]

i have to admit in the summers here in sunny san diego you dont get much chance to wear my fine collection of sportcoats so everytime i stop in at the salvation army i look at both waistcoats and sportcoats. i cant believe you guys would spend 30-70 on a waistcoat i could get at a thrift store for about 3-5. plus i have a seamstress for a mother so she can make me a vest or jacket if i want. i have fabrics waiting to be converted as we speak. as an added bonus i dont have to go to a tailor to get my pants hemmed.

[PADDY]

Get those waistcoats out for the northern hemisphere! It's that time again gents :) Wonderful..isn't it.