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vespasian
01-10-2006, 02:57 AM
We all take notice of who's in a hat dont we, but at the moment there dont seem to be many (or any) positive role models in the media who wear decent hats. It seems at the moment the good guys wear wool caps and the bad guys wear fedoras.

Non positive: Pete Doherty, Jack Abramof, Michael Jackson.

Positive: Take a look herehttp://www.thegoldenera.net/current_famous_hat_wearers.html

Can someone get stuck in here. The reason I bring this up is Im going to create a website to promote good hat style in the UK and to try to bring together some info on where to buy, what to buy and how to wear for the Brits. I could well do with some positive spin on this great item.

vespasian
01-10-2006, 06:22 AM
Just remembered this fantastic series on Brit TV. Foyles war. Check out a pic:
http://www.anthonyhorowitz.com/television/foyles_war/gallery/pages/10.htm

You can view loads more images at a site for the show
http://www.foyleswar.com

Gumby
01-10-2006, 06:53 AM
I was watching the series "Foyles War" here in the states on PBS. I was also lusting after the hats, and admiring the vintage clothing. British producers almost always do a better job than Hollywood when it comes to details in historic shows. Thanks for mentioning those sites.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

-Sir Winston Churchill

simmo
01-10-2006, 07:09 AM
Seems like a good idea.Is it me or does it seem like hat wearing is more acceptable in other countries than here in the UK for younger guys.I can imagine getting loads of strange looks where i live if i were to walk down the street in a fedora whereas i imagine in other countries such as the states people wouldn't take much notice or perhaps its the same all over ? By the way Vespasian ,whereabouts in Kent do you live.Used to live in Kent before i moved up north to Lincolnshire.

epic610
01-10-2006, 07:48 AM
makes me embarassed at even thinking of wearing a hat. they all look so creepy. will say however that penelope cruz, cameron diaz and matt mcconaughey do seem to carry it off. oh, and mario van peeples has the right look as well.

where are the iconic pictures who show that wearing hat doesn't have to make you look like a pimp?

Havana
01-10-2006, 08:02 AM
That's a good observation, Simmo. I think hat's are accepted very differently in different countries and even within regions of the same country. I live in the southern United States and native southerners don't seem to pay much attention to anyone wearing a fedora, western hat, or gambler style hats but when I was up in the Union (the North) last year, I felt like I was getting stared at everywhere I went. The last time I was in the UK, complete strangers (in London) would make jokes about my hats. This was more than I have ever experienced anywhere else. Most were either cowboy or Indiana Jones comments. Some of the comments seemed pretty mean spirited but I couldn't be sure so I just marked it off to cultural differences. Whenever I would speak and the people heard that I was an American they seemed to lose interest in the hat as if it was expected of a yank. And for the record, I have been to England 8 times and the vast majority of the people I've met have always been extremely courteous, especially in the rural areas.

vespasian
01-10-2006, 08:47 AM
Its called jealousy. The only people not able to carry off wearing a hat are those with hangups of their own. I do generally feel that people judge me as some kind of geek in a fedora but thats in my head, nothing about whats on it, Im certain of that. I tend to find that in London people will make comments if youre in the wrong company, plus in the UK people are generally speaking becoming quite ignorant and rude. Sorry if that offends anyone from the UK but having lived most of my life here and British born and bred it makes me quite ashamed that some of my fellow islanders are selfish goons in many respects. It was probably that you were wearing something to which the yokels have little affinity. A trilby or fedora would probably not attract much attention.

Raindog
01-10-2006, 10:51 AM
I agree about the rudeness increasing in the UK. It goes hand in hand with nuisance neighbours, anti-social behaviour orders, people getting tagged for crimes, binge drinking. I get the impression the whole place is going to the dogs....
If you define positive role models as being generally good natured successfull people then I suppose the golden era list is true. If it means people wearing good hats then that might be another thing altogether!

It would be good to see your website when it's done Vespasian :)


Jeff.

simmo
01-10-2006, 11:38 AM
Yes.The nation seems to be full of hoodie yobs who dont have to answer to anyone and seem to have more rights than the innocent man but i expect you know that Vespasian.Must be a frustrating job being a copper in the UK in this day and age.

Raindog
01-21-2006, 12:24 PM
Here're some pics of Tom Waits looking ultra cool in some lids. This man's steering me towards stingier brims.....

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/raindog951/tom_waits_1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/raindog951/waitsfedora.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/raindog951/w_p1.jpg


Jeff.

Matt Deckard
01-21-2006, 03:29 PM
For our Golden Era list of celbebs... it's hard enough finding a celebrities wearing hats in everyday life let alone finding ones who look good in a hat.

The pics may show many faux pas, though they are a representation of what is out their now.

Lets fix this trend and get some good looking hats on these people.

I have always admired Kermit the Frog. We have to ad him to the list.

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/_gfx_/conventions/la/Adv_Kermit.jpg

Biltmore Bob
01-21-2006, 03:40 PM
...and tell Kevin Spacey he's wearing a girls cap.

Steve
01-21-2006, 06:20 PM
For our Golden Era list of celbebs... it's hard enough finding a celebrities wearing hats in everyday life let alone finding ones who look good in a hat.

The pics may show many faux pas, though they are a representation of what is out their now.

Lets fix this trend and get some good looking hats on these people.

I have always admired Kermit the Frog. We have to ad him to the list.

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/_gfx_/conventions/la/Adv_Kermit.jpgThat is some thick felt!

GraveRobberGreg
01-21-2006, 10:07 PM
We all take notice of who's in a hat dont we, but at the moment there dont seem to be many (or any) positive role models in the media who wear decent hats. It seems at the moment the good guys wear wool caps and the bad guys wear fedoras.

Non positive: Pete Doherty, Jack Abramof, Michael Jackson.

Positive: Take a look herehttp://www.thegoldenera.net/current_famous_hat_wearers.html

Can someone get stuck in here. The reason I bring this up is Im going to create a website to promote good hat style in the UK and to try to bring together some info on where to buy, what to buy and how to wear for the Brits. I could well do with some positive spin on this great item.

The only person I would have to add to the positive list would be our very own Michaelson. He should be the Positive Role Model poster child for all Fedoras. Heres to you Michaelson :cheers1:

vespasian
01-24-2006, 01:07 AM
...and tell Kevin Spacey he's wearing a girls cap.

Thats ok Bob, Carmen Electra and Alicia Keys are wearing mens.

jake_fink
01-30-2006, 01:57 PM
http://www.sundaytimes.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,5060783,00.jpg

http://news.softpedia.com/images/news2/Outkast-Andre-3000-Launches-Fashion-Label-2.jpg

Maybe. Maybe even in the suits these days... thread

I second Tom Waits.

Raindog
01-30-2006, 02:17 PM
Great dresser:) I like the newsboy and waistcoat combo.

Jeff.

jake_fink
02-05-2006, 11:12 AM
Now I'm adding one of my hat role models (if not a role model in other areas), Robert Crumb.

http://www.sonyclassics.com/crumb/multimedia/stills/crumb.jpg

http://www.sonyclassics.com/crumb/multimedia/stills/standing.jpg

http://www.kunstmeile.cc/images/Jahresprogramm/big/Crumb-Banjo.jpg

And the famous dead German artist Joseph Beuys:

http://members.aol.com/mindwebart2/beuyscol.gif

Raindog
02-05-2006, 11:18 AM
I like Mr Crumbs style....And his taste in Amazonian ladies:)
And Joseph knew how to sport a waistcoat as well as a hat.....


Jeff.

Twitch
02-06-2006, 05:57 PM
Tom Hanks looks good in a fedora in movie role playing at least....:fedora:

Clint_Southwood
02-08-2006, 09:55 PM
What's he doin with that rock?

Clint_Southwood
02-09-2006, 12:51 AM
That pic of R. Crumb has him holding a rock against his head. That's wierd.

jake_fink
02-09-2006, 07:31 AM
That pic of R. Crumb has him holding a rock against his head. That's wierd.

That's Robert Crumb for ya. Weird's his stock in trade.

Now, the real question is what's he doin with that banjo?

Raindog
02-09-2006, 10:30 AM
I hear he's a pretty good banjo player. Would you say his style is '1930's Depression' ?

I like his jacket.

Jeff.

vespasian
02-09-2006, 11:18 AM
What we dont need are icons sporting an entirely 1930's throwback persona, unless thats their hobby which is fine, but more modern folk mixing good hats with modern garb, modern suits and jackets, coats and casual clothing. There will never be a hat revolution unless its "in vogue" rather than a quirk from the past. Dont get me wrong, I love the 30's and 40's style but where shirts, suits, trousers, shoes etc have developed over time, the fedora/trilby has somehow been left behind. The guy above looks good for his age group but I cant really see kids clocking his style and saying, "got to get me a homburg." Just my two-pence worth.

jake_fink
02-10-2006, 07:39 AM
Where's the Homburg?

vespasian
02-10-2006, 07:41 AM
Or any dress hat.

Aquia33
02-10-2006, 07:55 AM
What's he doin with that rock?

....why he is bashing his fedora!!!

Burma Shave
02-10-2006, 01:04 PM
...lies in looking for role models only in the mass media, among celebrities, though some do pull it off. I'll third the Tom Waits motion (Rain Dog, I wondered if you were a Waits fan, from your name alone. Note mine, if you will;) )

Johnny Depp does some good ones, as well, though he's often a bit bedraggled. But hey, so is Waits.

On the whole, I think it's better to look for role models among "real people," rather than in celebrity-ville. For the Web site promoting hat wearing, what about a collection of "man on the street" photos instead of celebs? Just a thought.

Feraud
02-10-2006, 01:31 PM
On the whole, I think it's better to look for role models among "real people," rather than in celebrity-ville. For the Web site promoting hat wearing, what about a collection of "man on the street" photos instead of celebs? Just a thought. I agree. I was just going to post a reply saying the best role models are the 'man on the street' types. Real men wearing hats in their everyday lives. I can live without the hat wearing celebrity posing for a photo opp.

nightandthecity
02-11-2006, 11:55 AM
seconded! or is that thirded?

vespasian
02-11-2006, 12:05 PM
Mind you, how could I possibly forget Maurice Gibb and his trademark stingy brim trilby. Now he did make the trilby look extremely cool.

http://worldatwar.co.uk/untitled.bmp

Raindog
02-11-2006, 05:29 PM
Hi Burma Shave!
yes, been a Waits fan since the Raindog album first came out. I used to have an email address Raindog4 etcetc, but lost it. Next minute I tried to register again it'd gone up to Raindog951!!
Mr Waits is the epitome of cool.
I agree about the man in the street pics. Remember that old guy in the beret on another thread? That made me want a beret. If it works for a cynical anti advertising man like me it'd work for the average person out there I think.

Jeff.

vespasian
02-13-2006, 06:40 AM
Some self advertising but trying to show how a fedora/trilby can be matched with modern gear to make it look "not at all costume". I think:

http://worldatwar.co.uk/Image1.jpg

http://worldatwar.co.uk/Image2.jpg

Cant do much about the ugly mug though....

Raindog
02-13-2006, 10:38 AM
That's the sort of look that can go most places without looking amiss. I don't mind the jeans and fedora look at all.
This pic would make people think about wearing one I reckon.


Jeff.

jake_fink
02-13-2006, 03:04 PM
Here's a scary bit of scary news. My wife was in the office when I was looking at this thread and when she saw the pics of you, Vespasian, she asked me why I was looking at pictures of myslef on the internet.

Similar hat I guess. :rolleyes: