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Marc Chevalier
09-19-2011, 08:37 PM
Several weeks ago, a lucky guy won a $55 "Buy-It-Now" eBay auction for a vintage 1930s belted-back suit.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220842500445


Well, it's back! He's selling it now: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1930s-Belt-Back-Flecked-Gab-Suit-42R-35W-NR-/230675310647?pt=Vintage_Men_s_Clothing&hash=item35b551e837


Be warned: it will probably end up going for over $800.

Lincsong
09-19-2011, 08:59 PM
Can't blame a guy for trying to turn a profit in this economy.

Johnny J
09-19-2011, 09:10 PM
Even with the moth holes?

LoveMyHats2
09-19-2011, 10:47 PM
The holes are a stopper for me, can't do even a slim 20 bucks for something with moth holes in it.

Marc Chevalier
09-20-2011, 09:10 AM
Can't blame a guy for trying to turn a profit in this economy.


You kiddin'? I'm rooting for him all the way! "A rising tide lifts all boats."

Marc Chevalier
09-20-2011, 09:12 AM
Even with the moth holes?


As long as they're not glaring, yes.

Baron Kurtz
09-20-2011, 09:20 AM
Some of the holes are quite glaring, but these things can always be rewoven. They might reduce the price a little but I wouldn't imagine by much. The serious colllectors will see how rare this is and bid accordingly. It is a Beautiful suit in a nice size.

As one who frequently turns very large profits on vintage, i also am rooting for the seller.

bk

Marc Chevalier
09-20-2011, 09:25 AM
Some of the holes are quite glaring, but these things can always be rewoven. They might reduce the price a little but I wouldn't imagine by much. The serious colllectors will see how rare this is and bid accordingly. It is a Beautiful suit in a nice size.

bk


Yep. IMO, the seller is overstating the jacket size --a 42" chest makes it a 39 R, not a 42 R-- but serious collectors will figure this out and bid accordingly.


Without any moth holes, the suit would possibly fetch $1,000+ ... as a certain mothless grey flannel one did recently.

Edward
09-20-2011, 10:11 AM
Yep. IMO, the seller is overstating the jacket size --a 42" chest makes it a 39 R, not a 42 R-- but serious collectors will figure this out and bid accordingly. .

Bane of my life, eBay sellers who don't understand that..... I had to learn the hard way to query that first....

Marc Chevalier
09-20-2011, 10:13 AM
Bane of my life, eBay sellers who don't understand that..... I had to learn the hard way to query that first....


This is a very experienced seller. I'd be surprised if he doesn't realize that a 42" chest does not a size 42 R make. Perhaps it was a typo? Mistakes happen.

Allen
09-20-2011, 10:23 AM
This is a very experienced seller. I'd be surprised if he doesn't realize that a 42" chest does not a size 42 R make. Perhaps it was a typo? Mistakes happen.

Well, CRAP. I wasn't aware of this. Well, here's hoping someone outbids me. It's at $20.50 right now, I've got my max bid set at $29.50, for anyone who'd like to claim this one.

Marc Chevalier
09-20-2011, 10:30 AM
Well, CRAP. I wasn't aware of this. Well, here's hoping someone outbids me. It's at $20.50 right now, I've got my max bid set at $29.50, for anyone who'd like to claim this one.


Allen, you can try to retract your bid. Here: http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?RetractBidShow


In any case, it's 99.999999999999999999999999999999% certain that the suit will go for more than $29.50.

Marc Chevalier
09-20-2011, 03:38 PM
It's up to $30.50! Allen is saved! :o

Tomasso
09-20-2011, 07:15 PM
My problem with this suit is the issue where the collar is riding up over the collar seam. It's very unsightly and there's no fix for it short of rebuilding the collar; not something easily done even if you can find a tailor up to the task. I have a couple suits hanging in my closet which are perfectly wearable if not for that flaw. :(






http://img.iwascoding.com/2/2011/09/20/97/0E11E5F0F5EA4D89AB3D5EB4F7B7773D.jpg

Qirrel
09-20-2011, 11:30 PM
It is perfectly fixable with a proper repressing of the collar.

Tomasso
09-21-2011, 01:10 AM
It is perfectly fixable with a proper repressing of the collar.

Except when pressing fails, which it does quite often. When that is the case it becomes a tailoring fix. A bespoke tailor describes a couple of fixes here (http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/forum/showthread.php?51986-back-of-suit-collor-rolling-up&p=322038#post322038). Other tailors have recommended cruder fixes such as sewing the back collar together.


BTW, are you a tailor?

LuckyKat
09-21-2011, 10:17 AM
If you have any belted back suits that you dont want because of the collar, I will buy them...



My problem with this suit is the issue where the collar is riding up over the collar seam. It's very unsightly and there's no fix for it short of rebuilding the collar; not something easily done even if you can find a tailor up to the task. I have a couple suits hanging in my closet which are perfectly wearable if not for that flaw. :(






http://img.iwascoding.com/2/2011/09/20/97/0E11E5F0F5EA4D89AB3D5EB4F7B7773D.jpg

Marc Chevalier
09-21-2011, 10:26 AM
My problem with this suit is the issue where the collar is riding up over the collar seam.


So ... if the collar sat correctly, you would shell out the $800+ necessary to win this auction. That's a relief to know. :o

Tomasso
09-21-2011, 11:13 AM
So ... if the collar sat correctly, you would shell out the $800+ necessary to win this auction. That's a relief to know. :o No, it's too small and the holes would bug me as much as the collar. But I'd pay that for the tweed sportcoat that you have, if it fit.

Marc Chevalier
09-21-2011, 11:14 AM
But I'd pay that for the tweed sportcoat that you have, if it fit.


Yes!! :eusa_clap:eusa_clap:)

Qirrel
09-21-2011, 01:42 PM
Except when pressing fails, which it does quite often. When that is the case it becomes a tailoring fix. A bespoke tailor describes a couple of fixes here (http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/forum/showthread.php?51986-back-of-suit-collor-rolling-up&p=322038#post322038). Other tailors have recommended cruder fixes such as sewing the back collar together.


BTW, are you a tailor?

No, no, not a tailor. An amateur, at best.

If the "collar creep" isn't some dry-cleaner's fault, and simply pressing the collar down where it should be is not enough, then try fixing it as "a tailor" describes here: http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/forum/showthread.php?43408-jacket-collar-creep-revisited. This has a higher chance of working on a vintage suit because the collar is not constructed with fusibles, and because vintage suit fabrics take better to the iron; that is, they can be stretched and shrunk far more than modern lightweights.

Chris Despos gives a reason for why the collar creeps up like this, which is that the yoke area of the jacket has stretched so that the top part of the collar is to short and wants to roll up. He says that if "a tailor"'s method fails, the collar must be unstitched to be fixed. I bought a (vintage) jacket with this symptom not long ago, and I was able to fix it without ripping a single stitch, simply (relatively anyways) shrinking the problem-area. Besides, the fix he prescribes is not a hugely time-consuming nor difficult alteration. (And better than mine, as it is permanent.)
I wouldn't take the jacket to any alterationist, though. Many alterationists don't have a lot of experience in men's tailoring, and much less fitting of mens garments, which is a whole field of its own.

Johnny J
09-26-2011, 06:52 PM
Winning bid: $463.88! Not bad!

Tomasso
09-27-2011, 04:11 AM
it will probably end up going for over $800.


Winning bid: $463.88



I wonder if it was the holes or the small size that kept the price down. Still, a tidy profit on a quick flip. I'm sure that the original ($55) seller is feeling crummy though.

Fidena
09-27-2011, 08:13 AM
I wonder if it was the holes or the small size that kept the price down. Still, a tidy profit on a quick flip. I'm sure that the original ($55) seller is feeling crummy though.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was still just as blissfully unaware as when he originally sold it. :D

Marc Chevalier
09-27-2011, 08:52 AM
... or the small size that kept the price down.


It wasn't all that small. The measurements matched those of my size 39 R belted-back suit. I really did expect it to go for $800+, holes and all. Still a hell of a profit, eh?