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Johnnie
09-20-2011, 05:34 PM
I have a couple of questions about my hat. This is my first hat and it is a "Bianchi" i believe. It says Bianchi by Adam Hats on the inside. Also It says "ITALIAN WEIGHT 20 Percent Genuine Beaver Fur" on the inner headband. I am unsure of what "kind" of hat it is, and would like to also know an estimated value. I love hats and can't wait until my next find... I have pictures of it, but i guess my account is too new to post them. It is a circular hat, without any creasing on the crown (basic dome shape). The brim is round and very short, roughly 2" or so, all the way around and slightly turned up. It has what i believe to be a quail feather in the hat's band. Thanks for any help you can give!

Johnnie

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd434/johnniejohnston/IMG_20110906_105326.jpg
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd434/johnniejohnston/IMG_20110906_105312.jpg
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd434/johnniejohnston/IMG_20110906_105349.jpg
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd434/johnniejohnston/IMG_20110906_105400.jpg
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd434/johnniejohnston/IMG_20110906_105415.jpg

rcfko
09-20-2011, 05:40 PM
I don't know much about hat brands and don't know much about fur felts as I only wear wool felts (no kill vegetarianism thing).
But according to your description, I'd say that you have a Bowler/Derby on your hand depending on where you're from. US Derby or UK Bowler.

jlee562
09-20-2011, 05:41 PM
Pictures would help. It's almost impossible to say anything with regards to value without a picture.

job
09-20-2011, 05:44 PM
Johnnie, There is a questions sections for this. I'm sure someone will help you shortly. Welcome to the forum. To post pics you need to place your pics on photobucket, shutterfly, etc. first.

Johnnie
09-20-2011, 05:45 PM
I do believe it is that type of hat, doing a google search of "Bowler Hat" came up with lots that look very similar to mine. It is a dark greenish-brown color and has a green/brown band around the hat, which is were the feather is... Other than that i'm having a hard time finding info on this thing. I would like to find out its age as well... I was told it was from the early 1900s, possibly the 20's or 30's... would this seem right for the style?

jlee562
09-20-2011, 05:48 PM
Again, impossible to say without pictures. Bowlers were popular during that particular time frame, but have never stopped being made in the time between now and then.

Yeps
09-20-2011, 05:49 PM
Is the crown really stiff or is it soft and maleable? That is the biggest indication of what kind of hat it is.

zetwal
09-20-2011, 05:52 PM
Welcome to the Lounge, Johnnie. :cool:

Johnnie
09-20-2011, 05:52 PM
photo bucket link............ http://s1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd434/johnniejohnston/

not sure if that works, but it should

zetwal
09-20-2011, 05:56 PM
Yes, it works. By clicking link, we can see the photo album. If you copy and past the individual IMG codes into your post, your pics will appear here in the thread.

Johnnie
09-20-2011, 05:59 PM
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd434/johnniejohnston/IMG_20110906_105326.jpg

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd434/johnniejohnston/IMG_20110906_105312.jpg

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd434/johnniejohnston/IMG_20110906_105400.jpg

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd434/johnniejohnston/IMG_20110906_105415.jpg

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd434/johnniejohnston/IMG_20110906_105349.jpg

zetwal
09-20-2011, 06:01 PM
That's it ... well done!

Johnnie
09-20-2011, 06:05 PM
Thank you very much zetwal!!! I really appreciate it! Now maybe I can figure out a little history about this thing. I love this hat and since purchasing it I have had my eye open for more... I'm already catching it from the Misses lol

Johnnie
09-20-2011, 06:09 PM
Is the crown really stiff or is it soft and maleable? That is the biggest indication of what kind of hat it is.

It is quite soft... what would this indicate?

Yeps
09-20-2011, 06:12 PM
You've got a pretty cool alpine/tyrolean hat. Put a crease down the top and wear it with pride (as long as it fits.)

Johnnie
09-20-2011, 06:43 PM
After searching alpine/tyrolean hats on google i am quite confused. It looks much more like the bowlers/derbys i was seeing before as opposed to the alpine/tyrolean hats. Am i overlooking something? Is the alpine/tyrolean's creasing and folded down brim what makes it look so different from the bowlers i've seen, or is this a completely different hat?

scottyrocks
09-20-2011, 06:48 PM
It has the general shape of a bowler, but the color, band, and feather say otherwise, as does what looks like the remnants of a crease in the crown. I'd go with Yeps' assessment.

Johnnie
09-20-2011, 07:00 PM
Please excuse my ignorance, but do the band,feather, and color of the hat determine the style of the hat? I do agree that the color and feather look similar to the German "Alpine" style hats, but the hat itself looks much more like a bowler/derby. I really don't want to give the wrong answer when asked what kind of hat it is... If it helps, I don't believe it's had a crease in the crown, or if it has, there is no longer a crease there, but there is a couple of slight dents where people have touched and poked it feeling the softness...

Yeps
09-20-2011, 07:00 PM
After searching alpine/tyrolean hats on google i am quite confused. It looks much more like the bowlers/derbys i was seeing before as opposed to the alpine/tyrolean hats. Am i overlooking something? Is the alpine/tyrolean's creasing and folded down brim what makes it look so different from the bowlers i've seen, or is this a completely different hat?

So, bowler hats are very stiff, almost like helmets (they were apparently used as hardhats at some point), and the edge of the brim is bound and put in a sharp, very distinctive curl. Your hat is soft, and has a soft, but currently upturned brim. The lack of a crease is merely incidental, as it clearly used to have one. Generally the type of hat you have is worn with a center crease and the brim turned down in front and up in back. It is the fedora's more outdoorsy, sporty cousin from Europe.

Yeps
09-20-2011, 07:04 PM
I was trying to find info here, much more useful than the general Google, but tyroleans are few and far between around here.


Fellow lounger mayserwegener is the local expert and he has some cool ones.

Just to piss some of you off. Here are some long hair Alpen (yes where it all started) hats.

Habig

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3515/3296930939_3a2cb8ed6a_b.jpg

Lembert

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3573/3351151615_6c7f98c8f9_b.jpg

Borsalino

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3624/3351089583_1104c57521_b.jpg

Mayser

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3097/2819138716_3343030a6d_b.jpg

Bittner

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3284/2818290213_601baedd9b_b.jpg

Johnnie
09-20-2011, 07:04 PM
Sweet, thanks for the input... sporty and outdoorsy are right up my ally!

Yeps
09-20-2011, 07:07 PM
Sweet, thanks for the input... sporty and outdoorsy are right up my ally!

The Hat Style Sensation of 1938 (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?48516-The-Hat-Style-Sensation-of-1938&)

jlee562
09-20-2011, 07:42 PM
Also, someone correct me if I am wrong, but the plastic in the liner would make it much later than 20's-30's.

harty
09-20-2011, 07:50 PM
I'm already catching it from the Misses lol

Me too! I've been placed on a hat moratiorium right now. Of course if I came across just the right one...it is better to ask forgiveness than permission.

Yeps
09-20-2011, 08:12 PM
Also, someone correct me if I am wrong, but the plastic in the liner would make it much later than 20's-30's.

The narrow sweatband too, but I was just restoring the alpine hat's good name.

Johnnie
09-21-2011, 08:31 AM
Not that the hat is for sale, but what would the value on a hat of this style and quality?