"1940's Hairstyles" The book will break the bank

[Daisy Buchanan]

Now that I have a small vintage wardrobe, and have been dressing vintage as much as possible, I have started playing with my hair. I have found all of your threads on hair so very helpful, thank you. I really liked Kael's hair, and have been able to emulate it to some extent, still need a lot of practice. I have taken all of your advice, and bought all different kinds of rollers, pins, and irons. My arms are sore, and I've got a few burns, but i know one day my hair will hopefully look as good as all of yours! Well in my quest for knowledge about hair of the times, I decided "i'll just buy a book of instruction". WOW, I had no idea how rare they can be. They are a collectors item, and can be more expensive than a beautiful 1930's gown! So in my hunting I came across this, why is the market for these so high?
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/used/productMatches.asp?userid=KM8iG9sCZ9&PEAN=9781930064010&newDisc=0&page=%2FbookSearch%2FisbnInquiry%2Easp&wbflg=N
I would love to own a book like this, but I'd have to get a second job! Now I know why you all post pics from magazines and books when you come across them. Are there any books on hairstyling that are affordable? I find all of your advice wonderful, but I would really like a handbook that I can refer to.
Any advice you might have is appreciated
Daisy (Spiely)

[maisie]

I bought that book a couple of years ago, back when it was still in print! But now they are going for stupid prices, I mean $800 for a book! Even though I have it I have never even used it! Seeing as the only ways of doing the hairdstyles in that book is by using pincurls, which I'm unable to do!:rolleyes: I just rollar my hair in normal plastic rollars, along with setting lotion, and then style the front and leave the rest of it down. So rather than buying a book like that I suggest you just take tips off other people, watch old 1930/1940s films or modern 1940s themed films (like Pearl Harbour, love the dresses in that film:) :rolleyes: ) or just have a go at different styles by yourself and with enough practice they will come out looking great!!

[rubyredlocks]

It's out of print which is why it's so high.Her book references another actual vintage hairstyling book,(can't remember the name,someone will pop in with it I'm sure),but I know a lot of the gals here collect actual vintage hairstyling books and magazines from ebay.

[Daisy Buchanan]

Thanks Maisie and Rubyredlocks
I can't believe the price of those books. I've spent the morning practicing pincurls, but I think it's going to take me some time. I have rheumatoid arthritis, and it affects the movement of my hands and arms, so spending long amounts of time on my hair can be painful. But, I'm determined! My 87 year old Grandmother was a hairdresser. She was just telling me all about how she used to have stacks of styling magazines! Her wedding picture is a picture that I look at a lot when trying to do my hair. It is so perfect, so 1930's. I'm hoping to see her this Saturday, she said she would do my hair for me because I'm going to a wedding. I'm hoping she can give me some advice. Last year we moved her from a 4 bedroom home to a one bedroom apartment, and I reprimanded her for being a pack rat, she saved every outfit she's ever owned. Now I'm glad she didn't get rid of anything, after she does my hair I'm thinking of raiding her closet!

Well, I will keep referencing the threads here, and keep searching for books or magazines.
Thanks for all of your advice:cheers1:

[Daisy Buchanan]

Sorry to keep posting on this thread!
I have come across this web site a few times. I find them to be a good resource for pictures from the early to mid 1900's. The pictures are actual drawings, some ad's from the time, but they can be useful.You all have probably seen this before but I thought I'd give you the link just in case you hadn't. They do have a good amount of useful information, and pages specifically for pictures of hair and hats. enjoy:)
http://www.fashion-era.com/

[Lauren]

I bought this book along with the Vintage Makeup book she wrote back when they were in print also. It's rediculous the prices they're charging now. The reason I've heard that they are so high is that the printing company won't print any more. The one I'm chastising myself for not buying back when it was in print is her 1930's hairstyle book. I've started buying old hairstyling magazines off of Ebay last year and now have several from the 30's, which are much cheaper in my experience than those of the 1940's. Look up "American Hairdresser" or "Modern Beauty Shop" and those are the ones I'm always on a quest for. Be prepared to pay a bit for those, too. I've seen them go up into the $40 range, and they don't always give you instructions for sets, but articles for beauty shops at the time, with pictures of award winning hairstyles.
I've gotten the pincurls nearly down, but really, I find that sponge rollers work just as well for me. They dry faster and are quicker to put in, but they last not quite as long. I wash my hair, then put in setting lotion all over with my hands, then go at it. You'll get so used to it that you'll find yourself doing it in front of TCM :)

[Daisy Buchanan]

Thanks Lauren,
Just one more question. I went to the pharmacy the other day. I bought the sponge rollers, as well as a few other kinds. My hair is poker straight, and staticky, so I'll have to play around to find the right one for me. The one thing I couldn't find was a setting lotion. I think I would benefit from this because the texture of my hair doesn't hold a curl for long. Can you recommend a brand of setting lotion. I'm planning a trip to a beauty supply store, I'm sure they'll have it there, just need to know what kind I should buy.
It's awesome that you have those books, hold onto them tightly, who knows what they will be worth in ten years!

[Lauren]

Yup, my hair doesn't hold curl well either! If I use hot rollers or a curling iron, forget it! It's falling out by the end of the day. Lottabody setting lotion is my favorite. Mix it with water and apply it on your hair, or wash your hair and rub it in after it's washed. Don't put too much or you'll be a helmet-head. When it dries, pull out the hair, set it how you want it, then hairspray the heck out of it. It should hold! That's what works for me, anyways :)

Haha! I'm not sure they'll want the books when I'm done with them! The hairstyle one is all sticky on the cover from hairspray... setting lotion... heehee. But what use are they unless you use 'em, huh?

[MK]

....but I loaned it out and the person hasn't ever returned it. She is a leaf in the wind....in other words she is a flake. I should have NEVER let her barrow it. Right after that it went out of print.:rage:

[Daisy Buchanan]

....but I loaned it out and the person hasn't ever returned it. She is a leaf in the wind....in other words she is a flake. I should have NEVER let her barrow it. Right after that it went out of print.:rage:
Hello MK,
I would track her down!! She doesn't sound like a very nice person.

[Daisy Buchanan]

Yup, my hair doesn't hold curl well either! If I use hot rollers or a curling iron, forget it! It's falling out by the end of the day. Lottabody setting lotion is my favorite. Mix it with water and apply it on your hair, or wash your hair and rub it in after it's washed. Don't put too much or you'll be a helmet-head. When it dries, pull out the hair, set it how you want it, then hairspray the heck out of it. It should hold! That's what works for me, anyways :)

Haha! I'm not sure they'll want the books when I'm done with them! The hairstyle one is all sticky on the cover from hairspray... setting lotion... heehee. But what use are they unless you use 'em, huh?

Thanks again for the advice, I'm actually gonna go to the store tonight to get it. I use "Shaper" hairspray by Sebastian, it works great, especially when you put a blow dryer on it after spraying, and comes in a gigantic bottle, so it last a while. I've tried other brands but this one seems to work the best, other product usually doesn't stay in my hair. They also make this sticky stuff called "molding mud". Like setting lotion it is very sticky, but it makes hair quite pliable if you put a little in when wet. I'm not sure if it works as well as setting lotion, so I'm still gonna give that a try.
I printed out the pictures that some of you posted, and they are all covered in product! My bathroom is officially a mess, by the time I finally get this right, I'll need to have the walls stripped!

[Naama]

I've started buying old hairstyling magazines off of Ebay last year

Ok, I'm really sorry to ask such a dumb question, but by what do you search after these magazines? I tried "American Hairdresser" and "Modern Beauty Shop" but only came across Magazines from the 50's or later.... Or is it just my luck that at the moment there are no older ones... :/ ?

Naama

[Vanessa]

....but I loaned it out and the person hasn't ever returned it. She is a leaf in the wind....in other words she is a flake. I should have NEVER let her barrow it. Right after that it went out of print.:rage:


If you donate it to the Powder Room, I'm sure the gals in here will willingly form a posse and track her down.

[Trickeration]

I wanted to get that book a long time ago. That's just crazy what people try to charge for things. But I'm sure there's some wealthy girl or starlet who'll pay that much because, "if it costs that much, it must be good and I have to have it" I'm sure it's a good book but, $800 good? The following link is what I refer to almost daily.

A while back someone posted a link to www.moviemaidens.com I like it because I see styles by decade. My hair is also totally straight, thin, and staticy, too. I curl my hair, barely damp, spritzed generously with strong spray gel. I use solar rollers. They're just foam with a pipe cleaner in the middle and a metalllic fabric covering. About $6 at Walmart. I curl about 2 hours before a gig and let it dry all the way. A hair dryer is okay, but it frizzes it a little. I brush with a bristle brush and then just pin it until it looks like the picture I'm trying to copy. On a good day, I have very few pins. A bad one requires lots. Ususally I have good hair days and can style my hair in about 15 minutes now. I found a great way to hide mess-ups, too. I took a bunch of bobby pins and wired small artificial flowers on the ends. I just stick them in where I need to hide something. I also just use them for decorative patterns in my hair. Nice thing is you can get flowers to match whatever you're wearing. Here's a pic of some pins to give you the idea. Trix
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/157/pict16428fo.jpg

[Lauren]

Ok, I'm really sorry to ask such a dumb question, but by what do you search after these magazines? I tried "American Hairdresser" and "Modern Beauty Shop" but only came across Magazines from the 50's or later.... Or is it just my luck that at the moment there are no older ones... :/ ?

Naama

Yup, I have it under my saved searches and right now there's nothing. They'll pop up every now and again, so keep looking!

[decodoll]

It's out of print which is why it's so high.Her book references another actual vintage hairstyling book,(can't remember the name,someone will pop in with it I'm sure),but I know a lot of the gals here collect actual vintage hairstyling books and magazines from ebay.

The book is CREATIVE HAIRSHAPING & HAIRSTYLING YOU CAN DO...by IVAN OF HOLLYWOOD. I have this book and the Daniela Turudich book. I would definitely recommend watching for the vintage book on http://www.abe.com. Everytime it comes up on ebay, it goes for a lot, but I see it on ABE fairly regularly and it ranges between $30 and $60. All of the diagrams in the 1940s Hairstyling book were taken directly from this book. I was amazed when I saw this. There is no credit given whatsoever. The only difference between the new book and the vintage one is that she leaves out half the text explaining what you are doing!

Lauren, I wouldn't feel bad about not ordering the 1930's hair book. I don't think it was ever actually printed. I kept watching it on Amazon and the print date kept getting pushed back until Streamline Press finally went out of business.

[Daisy Buchanan]

I'm sitting with my hair in curlers, hoping that they set right, and surfing the net. I came across this site http://www.hairboutique.com/tips/tip6412.htm
It shows and explains in detail how to do pin curls. Not sure if anyone has seen this before, but thought I would pass it on. Once again, I really find all of your advice incredibly helpful, so if you have any more keep it coming. I'll be here, on my quest to create the perfect pin curl, then on to finger waves:cheers1:

[RetroModelSari]

Did anyone ever hear about the "Lockwell method" of doing pincurls? I got a book on hairstyling from 1955 and they show the "latest" in doing pincurls. I don?Ǭ¥t know if this kind of doing it was used earlier than in the 50s. Basically those are like small curlers but you place them upward. I?Ǭ¥ll see if I can make some scans and post those cause I think it will make pincurling muuuch easier for people that are not that good with working only with their hand.... (Well, people just like me ;) )

[RetroModelSari]

Lauren, I wouldn't feel bad about not ordering the 1930's hair book. I don't think it was ever actually printed. I kept watching it on Amazon and the print date kept getting pushed back until Streamline Press finally went out of business.

What I actually saw "Art Deco Hair" before X-MAs was that they actually HAD it on amazon.com for 19,95 $. I don?Ǭ¥t have a credit-card cause that?Ǭ¥s not so usual in Germany so I asked an American friend to badly get me a copy of it!!! Unfortunately he forgot it!!!!!!!!!!!! And now it?Ǭ¥s out of print again! :rage:

[CherryBombRock]

I've just bout "1940s Hairstyles" off ebay for $100 - but I think I'm going to photocopy it and sell it on - I can't afford to pay that for a book and keep it! I'm hoping it shows more than pincurls as I've kinda got the hang of pincurls from all of yours tips! Very helpful, thank q!

[Naama]

Oh, by the way, there's a great site; nocturne (http://www.nocturne.com/swing/hair/hair.html), has great tips on pincurls and fingerwaves, but unfortunately no real setting instructions, which I can't really find anywhere :/

Naama

[decodoll]

What I actually saw "Art Deco Hair" before X-MAs was that they actually HAD it on amazon.com for 19,95 $. I don?Ǭ¥t have a credit-card cause that?Ǭ¥s not so usual in Germany so I asked an American friend to badly get me a copy of it!!! Unfortunately he forgot it!!!!!!!!!!!! And now it?Ǭ¥s out of print again! :rage:

I've seen Amazon make mistakes before. Streamline Press has been out of business for at least a couple of years now, I think. I doubt you would have gotten it anyway. Lots of people have the 1940s book and it comes up on ebay even though it goes for a lot. Have you ever heard of anyone that actually has the Deco Hairstyles book? I think if it had ever actually been shipped someone here would have gotten it. :)

[Lauren]

I did actually see the "Art Deco Hairstyles" book at the Vintage Fashion expo probably like 5 years ago. *le sigh* but then I was more into edwardian and victorian vintage, so I didn't pick it up.

[decodoll]

wow...must be at least a few copies out there then. Just imagine what that would go for on ebay if it ever came up! Do you remember who was selling it? Maybe Streamline Press had a booth? I don't think Amazon ever had it before they went out of business because I was watching it pretty closely.

[Lauren]

It was Alteryears. I have since been back to their store (when they had one) and to their booth when they're at faires and whatnot. And no luck :(

They used to always have a booth right by the front door at the Vintage Expo until about 3 or 4 years ago.

here's a link: http://www.alteryears.com

[decodoll]

Oh yes...I know Alteryears...have been planning on ordering from them for years. Thanks. :)

It is too bad. You would think that the author would want to get them published somewhere else even if she doesn't want to run Streamline Press anymore since they are so popular.

[Daisy Buchanan]

I just came across this web site, they actually sell vintage hair magazines and text books from beauty school. I just bought one, and the gentleman who runs the place is really nice. He doesn't have any mags from earlier than 1960, but he says he does get them in. He's also got some good pics up. Check it out.
http://www.hairarchives.com

[RetroModelSari]

Yeah i really wonder why those are not published again cause there is such a big interest in those. If I would be having a company for book-print damn, I?Ǭ¥d get the rights for those!!! People in the Scene are searching for those all over the world so one could get rid of those easily!

[Daisy Buchanan]

I am very pleased to say that I won the "1940's Hairstyles" book on ebay, and for a lot less than I expected to pay. I just got it in the mail and it is great. I'm looking forward to spending some quality time with my hair this weekend. I don't know much about copyright laws, but if anyone would like photocopies of it, I would be more than happy to get them to you (is this legal?)
Hope you all are doing well,
Cheryl:)

[swankysister]

*sigh* Daniela Turudich...

When her most recent books (1920s/30s hairstyles?) were listed as 'pre-order' on Amazon, I applied, only to go from 'about to print' to 'out of print and unavailable'...que? For about one year, I kept an eye on Amazon & ebay for second hand copies, but was budgetarily-disadvantaged (or financially unable/unwilling) to pay the price.

Gaia bless my mother, who as a librarian, sourced the 1940s hairstyle book as an inter-library loan. I was able to view the book and learn about pin curls. Doesn't mean that I can perform these architectural creations, just that I had access to the information in hard copy form before further research revealed that the technique didn't particularly work for me.

So, I strongly suggest a friendly enquiry with your local council/University/whatever library to see if you can pay a small fee to transfer a copy to your local area before testing it out, or deciding to purchase.

[Paisley]

I curl about 2 hours before a gig and let it dry all the way. A hair dryer is okay, but it frizzes it a little.

You might try a bonnet dryer. I bought one for my mom about a year ago at jcpenney.com for about $20.

[Vanessa]

Just be careful - Lauren was telling me the other day about how she burned her bonnet (now that just sounds funny. . . .) while wearing sponge curlers.

[J. M. Stovall]

I posted this info in another thread, but here it is again. Alibris.com is a great place to look for old books. When I see something on Ebay I want I go check there first to see if anyone is selling it. I don't know what Daisy Buchanan paid but it sounds like she got a good deal. There are two copies of the book there, one is $139.60 the other is $805.88! I'm not sure what's up with that.

alibris (http://www.alibris.com/search/search.cfm?qwork=8740705&wtit=1940s%20Hairstyles&matches=2&qsort=p&cm_re=works*listing*buyused)

[Dashingemt]

I have been trying to get this book for my wonderful girlfriend. I have been jipped by ebay twice and now time is of the essence. We are going to a wedding with a swing theme and she is stressing out about her hair. I am not going to take ANOTHER chance on ebay for 150 bucks and hope for the best. Is there anyone out there that can help. Maybe a few photo copied pages with some good "swing" styles. Thanks to all, and Im new here, you will be hearing from me a lot....LOVE THIS SITE so far!!!

Cheers
Mike

[Paisley]

Ahh, maybe she will go for the sultry Lauren Bacall look, or a ravishing Hedy Lamarr 'do! I'll bring the book to work tomorrow and copy a few pages on hairdos and pincurling. If she isn't used to pincurling her hair, it might be a good idea for her to practice before the big day.

[Dashingemt]

You are pretty much speaking spanish to me, however she will know what to do and she will be VERY happy...and thats what matters to me. THANKS AGAIN

[SwingCat123]

You are pretty much speaking spanish to me, however she will know what to do and she will be VERY happy...and thats what matters to me. THANKS AGAIN

I guess I'm a bit jaded by too many relationships gone bad, but its so refreshing to hear you going to such length for your gal. The guys never seem to understand my search for the perfect style and If I told them I was going to spend a couple hundred $$ for a book about it they would look at me like Im nuts.

Your gal is really lucky!:arated:

[Dashingemt]

I guess I'm a bit jaded by too many relationships gone bad, but its so refreshing to hear you going to such length for your gal. The guys never seem to understand my search for the perfect style and If I told them I was going to spend a couple hundred $$ for a book about it they would look at me like Im nuts.

Your gal is really lucky!:arated:


First of all thank you!!! But the way she supports my things (season tix to the fresno grizzlies, my cigar room) Its only fair. Where in Nor Cal are you. I grew up in Lincoln. I live a little farther south now but all my friends are still up there!

[SwingCat123]

First of all thank you!!! But the way she supports my things (season tix to the fresno grizzlies, my cigar room) Its only fair. Where in Nor Cal are you. I grew up in Lincoln. I live a little farther south now but all my friends are still up there!
Actually Im all the way up in McKinleyville but went to college for a while in Yuba City so I've spent some time in Lincoln and have some friends there too. Small state.

[Dashingemt]

Yeah thats a lil farther north than me. I had some family in Yreka. Now thats north. What college in Yuba??? Thats a small town

[SwingCat123]

Yuba Community College. My grandfather, a former vietnam war POW, lives there and I moved there to be closer to him, get to know him and his life and its always easier to move to a new location if you know someone who can tell you where to get the best burger and cheapest gas.

[Dashingemt]

But the best burgers are in Lincoln. Well used to be until the lil grill on 65 shut down :(

[fortworthgal]

My gosh, the price of that book is insane! I've lusted after it for years but on Amazon.com right now there are 2 copies - one for $167 and one for $1310!!!!! I refuse to sacrifice my salary for a single book!

Dashingemt - I sent you an email!

[Dashingemt]

Isnt it horrible. I was scammed twice on ebay and half for over 150 each. Yes I got my money back, but I wanted the book. Well actually my lady wanted it and I wanted to make her happy. I will check out the email, and get it out this week sometime.

[Caledonia]

The book is CREATIVE HAIRSHAPING & HAIRSTYLING YOU CAN DO...by IVAN OF HOLLYWOOD. I have this book and the Daniela Turudich book. I would definitely recommend watching for the vintage book on http://www.abe.com. Everytime it comes up on ebay, it goes for a lot, but I see it on ABE fairly regularly and it ranges between $30 and $60. All of the diagrams in the 1940s Hairstyling book were taken directly from this book. I was amazed when I saw this. There is no credit given whatsoever. The only difference between the new book and the vintage one is that she leaves out half the text explaining what you are doing!

Lauren, I wouldn't feel bad about not ordering the 1930's hair book. I don't think it was ever actually printed. I kept watching it on Amazon and the print date kept getting pushed back until Streamline Press finally went out of business.

I got the Turudich book on ebay for about $90 (USD). To be honest, while it's an ok book, if you can do pin curls you can shape your hair just by looking at 40s images and sacrificing a few hair moments to the cause. And I agree with you Decodoll, Turudich's instructions are definitely on the skimpy site. I was considering looking for her 50s book, but given what I've seen from the 40s one, I think I'll just take some images to my hairdresser and we'll work it out together for a lot less than the $250 (USD) that I've seen it going at!

[LolitaHaze]

I was lucky enough to get the book for cover price on Amazon back when it was still in print. I found it ok in the help department. I find pin curls too difficult and time consuming on my hair and never really put any of the techniques to use. I have found alternate methods to get the same look. Granted I am still happy to have it as part of my collection.

[Lauren]

I got the book back when it was in print as well. Makes me wonder why we don't make one of our own with some of our Powder Room gals as models?

MK, if you're reading this thread, can it be done?

[VintageJess]

I got the book back when it was in print as well. Makes me wonder why we don't make one of our own with some of our Powder Room gals as models?

MK, if you're reading this thread, can it be done?

Lauren,

That is a fantastic idea! What a great way to put to use all of this knowledge you ladies have!

Jessica

[Sid Rogers]

I got the Turudich book on ebay for about $90 (USD). To be honest, while it's an ok book, if you can do pin curls you can shape your hair just by looking at 40s images and sacrificing a few hair moments to the cause. And I agree with you Decodoll, Turudich's instructions are definitely on the skimpy site. I was considering looking for her 50s book, but given what I've seen from the 40s one, I think I'll just take some images to my hairdresser and we'll work it out together for a lot less than the $250 (USD) that I've seen it going at!

Hey guys! I've been around for a little while, but have never posted or anything. Anyhow, about the 50's book:

I thought it never ended up getting printed. I wonder what ever happened to Turudich and all the books she planned on writing.

As far as doing your hair on your own, it can get pretty hard if you've never learned the basics, or if you haven't gotten the jist of them. For the most part, I can do my hair in normal sponge rollers or hot curlers, and it comes out okay. It looks more 50s than anything else, but it's so thick that it usually falls over after not too long.

[RetroMom]

I wondered what happened to her '50's book....

I had it pre-ordered on Amazon, for like 2 years. I really wanted it because I like the shorter styles (especially the Italian boy style) since I have been wearing my hair short.

[LolitaHaze]

I have learned more from just looking at pictures and other ladies' styles than I have from instructions or techniques. I know not everyone can do this so I think a book put together by gals using todays techniques, tools, and lingo would be a great help! Grand idea, Lauren!!

I got the book back when it was in print as well. Makes me wonder why we don't make one of our own with some of our Powder Room gals as models?

MK, if you're reading this thread, can it be done?

[synapse_shock]

So, I strongly suggest a friendly enquiry with your local council/University/whatever library to see if you can pay a small fee to transfer a copy to your local area before testing it out, or deciding to purchase.


I was able to borrow the book through the Ohio Library and Information Network for free! I know other states don't have library networks as nice as ours. I think I'm going to get "The Middy" haircut, but first I want to make a beauty supply tool kit.

[Daisy Buchanan]

Well there she is. Beautiful isnt she. All that work finding the book were well worth it!!! Mike
Wow, she looks incredible.
I can't believe the price of this book has gotten even higher since I started this thread. I got lucky and paid either $65 or $85 for it, I can't remember. I wish I had gotten two at that price. Mine has been used so much, and it's covered in all sorts of hair goo, that it probably isn't worth a penny. I can't believe the prices I've seen, as high as $1300!! That's just insane. She also has a make-up book (i think) that they did a small printing of, and that is supposed to be very hard to come by and just as expensive. I'm gonna keep my eyes opened for both. If only I had gotten two at that price, I'd put one on e-bay with a $1000 reserve!:D

[Dashingemt]

I have it digitally. So she can print out the page she wants and if it gets messed up...oh well. Its crazy how much it is these days.

[~landgirl~]

If anyone is interested, I contacted the guy at www.1940.co.uk about the 1940s hairstyle book (he used to sell it) and he has recommended this book:

http://www.1940.co.uk/acatalog/Home_Front.html (the 1940s look)

It's on my Christmas list, so can't tell you what it's like yet.. but he does tell me that it is a pretty good reference book which has quite a bit of info on hairstyles!

P.S.
I got the book back when it was in print as well. Makes me wonder why we don't make one of our own with some of our Powder Room gals as models?

MK, if you're reading this thread, can it be done?

I would happily model! I can be under the section of how to pin-curl a 'big thick, annoying, wavy here - straight there, layered to help matters - but did it?' maine! :)

Maybe one of the UK girls could pin-curl me, and send the results in? ;)

[~landgirl~]

For those of you who have the book (I have it digitally!) But wondered what page to print and take to my salon to achieve this look:

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j21/missmodette/annafriel.jpg

[Daisy Buchanan]

If anyone is interested, I contacted the guy at www.1940.co.uk about the 1940s hairstyle book (he used to sell it) and he has recommended this book:

http://www.1940.co.uk/acatalog/Home_Front.html (the 1940s look)

It's on my Christmas list, so can't tell you what it's like yet.. but he does tell me that it is a pretty good reference book which has quite a bit of info on hairstyles!

P.S.


I would happily model! I can be under the section of how to pin-curl a 'big thick, annoying, wavy here - straight there, layered to help matters - but did it?' maine! :)

Maybe one of the UK girls could pin-curl me, and send the results in? ;)
Wow, thanks for the link! That book looks like it's great, I think I'm just gonna have to grab it, while he still has it. One can never have too many books on the 1940's look, and I need all the help I can get!

[LadyDeWinter]

Wow, thanks for the link! That book looks like it's great, I think I'm just gonna have to grab it, while he still has it. One can never have too many books on the 1940's look, and I need all the help I can get!


Hello,

I ordered the book "The 1940s Look" and received it today. I like it it is a very good reference book. So many nice pictures, it is much better than the 1940s Hairstyle book.

[~landgirl~]

Hello,

I ordered the book "The 1940s Look" and received it today. I like it it is a very good reference book. So many nice pictures, it is much better than the 1940s Hairstyle book.

Wow, that is great news! I can't wait until Christmas now! I was going to buy it myself, heaven knows I have waited long enough for it to be released - but my dad needed some ideas, so I will just have to be patient!

[RetroModelSari]

I have placed a pre-order for that book weeeeeeks ago and I still wai. they sem to have problems delivering it to Germany *cries*

[katiepickle]

I've just bout "1940s Hairstyles" off ebay for $100 - but I think I'm going to photocopy it and sell it on - I can't afford to pay that for a book and keep it! I'm hoping it shows more than pincurls as I've kinda got the hang of pincurls from all of yours tips! Very helpful, thank q!

I feel really awful for this, but I stole mine from the library. They only charged me the original price ($15 or so) plus a restocking fee. When I get rich and famous I will have to donate alot of money to them to ease my guilty concious.

[GOK]

I have placed a pre-order for that book weeeeeeks ago and I still wai. they sem to have problems delivering it to Germany *cries*

Sari, I don't see why they should have a problem but if you want to get it sent to my house, I'd be more than happy to forward it on to you.

There is an Ebay seller in the States that I've bought several very good books from. And she despatches really quickly too. She's called blsk.

[Fleur De Guerre]

After reading this thread I also had to buy that new book even though I should be saving for Christmas! :eusa_doh:

I am also one who has the Turudich book electronically and boy am I glad I didn't have to pay. Though I was annoyed I missed one on ebay last year that went for literally £4.50 (it was listed badly) I find it to be pretty disappointing. There are horrendous typos which is a big bugbear of mine, and I just don't find it all that useful. I get better results through trial and error, and use the book as only a vague guide.

[jazzzbaby]

Wow, she looks incredible.
I can't believe the price of this book has gotten even higher since I started this thread. I got lucky and paid either $65 or $85 for it, I can't remember. I wish I had gotten two at that price. Mine has been used so much, and it's covered in all sorts of hair goo, that it probably isn't worth a penny. I can't believe the prices I've seen, as high as $1300!! That's just insane. She also has a make-up book (i think) that they did a small printing of, and that is supposed to be very hard to come by and just as expensive. I'm gonna keep my eyes opened for both. If only I had gotten two at that price, I'd put one on e-bay with a $1000 reserve!:D

Is this the book by Daniela Turudich? I just can't believe that I am seeing these prices!!! I have both the 1940s Hairstyles and vintage faces! Wow, I am still not believing the price on these!

[RetroModelSari]

Thank you Gok! You have an PM :-)

Yes blsk is a great seller. I have bought several books there myself. The prices are really ok and the books are great! I´m waiting for the one about Flapper Hairstyling right now :)

[GOK]

Thank you Gok! You have an PM :-)

Replied!

Yes blsk is a great seller. I have bought several books there myself. The prices are really ok and the books are great! I´m waiting for the one about Flapper Hairstyling right now :)

Oohh excellent. I have some of her sewing books too. She is very professional and her books are beautifully copied. Worth every penny IMO.

[Daisy Buchanan]

Is this the book by Daniela Turudich? I just can't believe that I am seeing these prices!!! I have both the 1940s Hairstyles and vintage faces! Wow, I am still not believing the price on these!
I'm so jealous you have vintage faces. That one is even harder to come by than vintage hairstyles. Hold tight to them, with the way prices are going up, you could retire on them!

[Faye Valentine]

I'm so jealous you have vintage faces. That one is even harder to come by than vintage hairstyles. Hold tight to them, with the way prices are going up, you could retire on them!


I purchased Vintage Face from Amazon for about $140. I tried to sell it on eBay becuz I was in desparate need of some cash. I had high hopes for it. But I suppose I sold it at a --not so demanding-- time bcuz I only sold it for $100 (which is still pretty high for a book but I had high hopes so I was disappointed...[huh]). Plus, I lost $40. It's been months since I sold it and I miss it very much, I wish I hadn't sold it since it is so hard to come by:eusa_doh: (I just thought I could buy another one later when I'm not so broke).

[thebadmamajama]

My boyfriend actually tracked down the book from the library for me and now I have a digital copy of it--I *highly* recommend it! Anyone see Turudich's Vintage Weddings? It's just lovely!!!!! I got that one through my university library. So, they're out there...just keep on a-searchin'!!!!!!

[RetroModelSari]

I just got the "1940s book" yesterday and I LOVE it. It is so interesting to read and the pictures great. It doesn´t show pictures or how tos though. I LOVE IT! LOVE IT! LOVE IT!

[Daisy Buchanan]

My boyfriend actually tracked down the book from the library for me and now I have a digital copy of it--I *highly* recommend it! Anyone see Turudich's Vintage Weddings? It's just lovely!!!!! I got that one through my university library. So, they're out there...just keep on a-searchin'!!!!!!
Now that's a good idea! I'm gonna contact a few of the local Boston libraries to see if the have a copy of her "Vintage Faces". It'd be great if they did so I could "borrow" some copies from it. Would it really be that awful to copy the book without permission. I mean, they only did one printing of it, and now it's out of print. Not very fair of her and her publishers to tease us with something so great, and then make it so incredibly hard to get. I'll let y'all know if I can get my hands on it somewhere.
Is it against the law to scan a book and send it to a someone through email, or post certain pages in a private forum? I have a decent scanner and the hairstyles book, at some point when I have a bit of time I could scan it for you ladies and either post it or send it to your private email. If I can get a copy of the make-up book, I could do the same.



I just got the "1940s book" yesterday and I LOVE it. It is so interesting to read and the pictures great. It doesn´t show pictures or how tos though. I LOVE IT! LOVE IT! LOVE IT!
Yahoo! It is a great book, but I do agree with you that is lacks the how to's. It has come in handy, though figuring out the exact methods of how to achieve the looks she is describing can be a bit frustrating. But, I have a few vintage hair styling text books from the forties and they are like this too. The only difference is, they have a lot of very hard to follow directions, and instead of photos they have sketches. But, all are good reference books, and do help give ideas on how to get the right vintage style.
Have fun with it. I'm glad you finally found a copy.

I don't remember if I posted this link already The Hair Archives (http://www.hairarchives.com/). They have a store that sells vintage hair magazines and text books. He updates it often. He doesn't get a lot of books from the thirties and earlier, but he is very helpful in telling you exactly what is in the copies he sells. So, if you are looking for something in particular, it might actually be in a magazine that isn't necessarily from that era. One of the text books I bought was from the early sixties, and it has very detailed directions for fingerwaving and pincurls. I'm not sure if it's still the case, but for many decades after the thirties, it was a requirement for all students at beauty school to know how to fingerwave and pincurl. So, even later decade text books will have lots of information and styles from the thirties and forties. I was talking to a stylist who went to school in the eighties, and she said that pincurls were the first thing she learned at beauty school. They were required to learn the perfect cut's for setting hair in curls, as well as needing to know a lot of the up do's that were popular then. So, check out the hair archives, they might have exactly what you're looking for, and they have really good customer service.

[Tourbillion]

Now that's a good idea! I'm gonna contact a few of the local Boston libraries to see if the have a copy of her "Vintage Faces". It'd be great if they did so I could "borrow" some copies from it. Would it really be that awful to copy the book without permission. I mean, they only did one printing of it, and now it's out of print. Not very fair of her and her publishers to tease us with something so great, and then make it so incredibly hard to get. I'll let y'all know if I can get my hands on it somewhere.
Is it against the law to scan a book and send it to a someone through email, or post certain pages in a private forum? I have a decent scanner and the hairstyles book, at some point when I have a bit of time I could scan it for you ladies and either post it or send it to your private email. If I can get a copy of the make-up book, I could do the same.




Yahoo! It is a great book, but I do agree with you that is lacks the how to's. It has come in handy, though figuring out the exact methods of how to achieve the looks she is describing can be a bit frustrating. But, I have a few vintage hair styling text books from the forties and they are like this too. The only difference is, they have a lot of very hard to follow directions, and instead of photos they have sketches. But, all are good reference books, and do help give ideas on how to get the right vintage style.
Have fun with it. I'm glad you finally found a copy.

I don't remember if I posted this link already The Hair Archives (http://www.hairarchives.com/). They have a store that sells vintage hair magazines and text books. He updates it often. He doesn't get a lot of books from the thirties and earlier, but he is very helpful in telling you exactly what is in the copies he sells. So, if you are looking for something in particular, it might actually be in a magazine that isn't necessarily from that era. One of the text books I bought was from the early sixties, and it has very detailed directions for fingerwaving and pincurls. I'm not sure if it's still the case, but for many decades after the thirties, it was a requirement for all students at beauty school to know how to fingerwave and pincurl. So, even later decade text books will have lots of information and styles from the thirties and forties. I was talking to a stylist who went to school in the eighties, and she said that pincurls were the first thing she learned at beauty school. They were required to learn the perfect cut's for setting hair in curls, as well as needing to know a lot of the up do's that were popular then. So, check out the hair archives, they might have exactly what you're looking for, and they have really good customer service.

***Disclaimer*** I am not an attorney. If you are distributing possibly copyrighted material, contact your copyright attorney first. ***

It is against the law to copy the book outright. You might be able to get away with copying one or two pages "for reference" or as a "quote" but then if you are found to be breaking the law it is up to a 5 year sentance.

Vintage stuff usually no longer has a copyright though. You can copy it and sell it if it is in public domain.

All the same if anyone has the "Art Deco Hair" book, I wouldn't tell the Feds if you sent it to me in a PDF file. ;)

[Paul]

Copy write UK
http://www.patent.gov.uk/copy.htm
How long does UK copyright last?
Copyright in a literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work (including a photograph) lasts until 70 years after the death of the author. The duration of copyright in a film is 70 years after the death of the last to survive of the principal director, the authors of the screenplay and dialogue, and the composer of any music specially created for the film. Sound recordings are generally protected for 50 years from the year of publication. Broadcasts are protected for 50 years and published editions are protected for 25 years.

You might get around copyright by taking a book to 100 friends and get each of them to copy just a page:D

Copy write US

http://www.copyright.gov/

[r lush]

saw this on ebay. it ended already but I wonder if it is any good!
1940s Glamorous HAIRSTYLE DESIGN Illustrated (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=260061223321&rd=1&rd=1)

heres one of the pages....
http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/shell64/W5B5.jpg

[Daisy Buchanan]

OOhh that actually looks really good, and it didn't go for an astronomical amount of money like some of the other ones I've seen. I've gotta keep a closer eye out for things like this. I need all of the help I can get.

[~landgirl~]

Has anyone who ordered it, received their 'The 40s Look' book yet - and if so, is it any good?

I won't get mine until christmas - but dying to know what it's like!

[Daisy Buchanan]

Has anyone who ordered it, received their 'The 40s Look' book yet - and if so, is it any good?

I won't get mine until christmas - but dying to know what it's like!
I got mine. I was very pleased with the incredibly fast shipping, surprising since it came from across the pond.
The book itself is OK. IMO, it has some information and it's good to add to my little collection of books about vintage. However, it's really not as great as I expected it to be. Just my opinion though.

[GOK]

saw this on ebay. it ended already but I wonder if it is any good!
1940s Glamorous HAIRSTYLE DESIGN Illustrated (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=260061223321&rd=1&rd=1)



I've got this one - it's great! The first part deals with design principles (which is one of my big things anyway, so I find it very interesting) and the second is all hairstyling. I've bought quite a few books from this seller and I have nothing but great things to report.

[hepkitten]

Like everyone here, I've been on the hunt for 1940s hairstyling instructions -- for a slightly different reason, though. I'm writing a novel set in 1941 and my main character is into her hair in a big way (unlike me, I have to admit.) I need that ring of authenticity, but Turudich's 40's Hairstyles book is on interminable hold at the library, and no other copies to be had for sale less than $225.

But I read through this entire thread, picked up some hints, searched eBay, and found gold!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260085193759

Just purchased and am doing my happy skippy author dance. THANK YOU ALL!

[Babydoll]

***Disclaimer*** I am not an attorney. If you are distributing possibly copyrighted material, contact your copyright attorney first. ***

It is against the law to copy the book outright. You might be able to get away with copying one or two pages "for reference" or as a "quote" but then if you are found to be breaking the law it is up to a 5 year sentance.

Vintage stuff usually no longer has a copyright though. You can copy it and sell it if it is in public domain.

All the same if anyone has the "Art Deco Hair" book, I wouldn't tell the Feds if you sent it to me in a PDF file. ;)

I teach Copyright Compliance as part of my job. Our company policy (that follows the law) and states that if you have written permission from the publisher (or copyright holder), you can copy the item (including books, sheet music, audio music, theatrical plays, etc.), or if the copies are for *educational purposes*, it is acceptable to copy up to 10% of the book for use.

Just because the person that wrote a book is no longer alive doesn't mean that it is public domain (free to be copied). Depending on what type of media it is, the copyright could be as few as 20 years beyond the death of the person who created it, or as many as 76 years. At the end of the copyright period, it is possible for it to be renewed.

I'd be cautious about messing with copyright. It's not worth the penalties if you get caught (fine of at least $10k, to say nothing of possible jail time).

.02, take it or leave it. :)

[Amy Jeanne]

I thought ART DECO HAIR was never released??? I had it "On Order" from amazon.com the second I caught wind of it in 2001. It was supposed to be released in Sept '01 (I think) then I kept getting emails from amazon saying that the release date was pushed back and pushed back until finally they sent me an email saying that the book won't become available and they have removed me from the ordering queue. I was very upset because I looked so forward to getting that book!!

I also had 1940's HAIR when it came out. I sold mine on ebay for $100. I wasn't really impressed with it mostly because I couldn't do any of the styles. Thin, silky, short, straight hair + 1940's huge hair = a no-go! I found the "directions" complicated, too. I wasn't so impressed with VINTAGE FACE, either, but I still have my copy (I just looked on amazon.com and it's going for $150.00!!) The old beauty recipes in the back are what I'm keeping it for.

[misslizzy]

I have all three books - Vintage Wedding, Vintage Face and 40's Hair. I'm flabbergasted at the value! I had no idea.
I'm going to VLV this year - I could pay for the flight if I sold them. That's crazy!

[Cherriexo]

I checked out Vintage Wedding and the 1940's one.Couldnt learn ANYTHING from 1940's hair.Even my then rommie,who is a great stylist had issues with what it taught.

Im more of a learner,when you show me.Show me pictures with words,action for action and I might be able to do it.But show me in person on a model,and Im set.Unfortunately,when I went to a class on 1940's wear and hair,I came too late for the hair part.Eh,I can figure out dresses...the hair is the hard part.

They need some ridiculous camp for this stuff,or a seminar or something.

[ShooShooBaby]

i was just frustrated by the 1940s hair book again today! i got it for christmas the year it came out, and at first i was super-excited about it, and then realized that i couldn't figure out what the heck i was supposed to be doing in most of it! for the longest time i thought it was just me that was confused by it.

thank goodness so much decent instruction exists on the web today! i also should check out that other book being sold on ebay...

[Cherriexo]

Things have heavily been expanded on the web from like 5-7 years ago when I finally made the commitment to get involved with the vintage lifestyle.

The class I went to through the Art Deco Society of DC was still a HUGE help on understanding makeup,clothes for men and women and hairstyles.

[Brooksie]

Hmmm I need to dig out my old cosmetology book (I went to beauty school in 1986) I learned all of the old tecniques on hair styling like finger waves, pin curls and shampoo sets. I am seriously hoping i did not get rid of my cosmetology book:eek: The book I had was written in the 60's but it is all of the old tecniques that were used way back when. If I come across it I guess I could make some copy's of the most neccesary parts for some people hmmm...maybe some interesting trades could be worked out...

PM if anyone is interested (in a copy of whatever particular hairstyle in a trade for something vintagely interesting?) and I will look for my book tommorow.

Brooksie

[Brooksie]

I found my cosmetology book, the original copyright date is: 1938, and then then revised in 1981. It has step by step directions (very in depth) on how to do finger waves, pin curls and rollor sets. If anyone is interested in copy's of these things PM me, and I will send copy's but maybe we could work out some kind of a trade in exchange.

Brooksie

[Decobelle]

I have Vintage Face and the 1940s Hairstyles books. Vintage Faces is nice; I like it. I have learned as much and more from the Powder Room, however. I did not really get much out of the 1940s hairstyle book. The tips & tutorials Jitterbugdoll, Fleur and others have posted are 100x more useful, IMO. In any case, I already had a booklet from 1948 called "How it's Done: Haristyles for You" by "Ivan of Hollywood" and "affectionately dedicated to Bette" that many of the illustrations and text in 1940s Hairstyles seem to be borrowed from.
xo

[Brooksie]

I also have the book vintage face-I like it a lot especially since I bought it about 5 years ago, when it was still in the book stores for only $12.95 instead of 100.00 to 400.00 & + on e-bay!

Brooksie

[Daisy Buchanan]

I posted about this on the "Show Us Your Purchases" thread, but I just won a Limited Edition, First Printing of "1940's Hairstyles" by Daniela Turudich. I'm very glad that I won this, I think it might be considered a collectors item. Does anyone know how many printings/runs they actually did of this book? I don't think it was too many, I think that's why it's been so hard to find, and why people pay the money they do for it.
I'm gonna keep using the copy that I already have, since it's been through the ringer and has hairspray and gel on it. I think I'll leave this first edition alone, using it might affect its value.

[Marc Chevalier]

Small world! Daisy, the seller you won this from is one of my best friends! Janine bought the book new at the RE-MIX shoe store a few years ago. It is indeed a first edition, predating the version with Gene Tierney on the cover. You got a very good value for it ... an identical copy sold on eBay a few days ago for nearly double the price.


You've seen Janine's marvelous vintage shoe collection before: http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?t=12492&highlight=Janine Most of them she bought deadstock from RE-MIX, back when the store was still selling never-worn vintage shoes.

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[jitterbugdoll]

I think the only reason it goes for so much money in general is that the publisher went out of business, and it is not being printed right now. I believe that the first edition was much heavier with illustrations, and that when it was revised more photographs were added. However, it is my understanding that the book material may be purchased and the book can go into publication again, which would lower its value.

[Daisy Buchanan]

I think the only reason it goes for so much money in general is that the publisher went out of business, and it is not being printed right now. I believe that the first edition was much heavier with illustrations, and that when it was revised more photographs were added. However, it is my understanding that the book material may be purchased and the book can go into publication again, which would lower its value.

I think that the later editions that are selling for a few hundred dollars might drop in value if it goes into publication again. But I think a first edition first printing could still go up in value, or at least hold it's value. At least this is the case with other kinds of books that are first editions.

[jitterbugdoll]

I think it depends on the type of book in general. It's not a very informative one, and the author is not very well known (outside of the vintage lifestyle books she has done, much of which pulled heavily and directly from vintage works and were not her own words.) I think if another book or books related to 1940s hairstyles come out, the interest in this particular one will drop quite a bit. That’s just my thought on it though; I continue to hold onto my copy of the book just because. :)

[ShooShooBaby]

i'm curious, how much are the first editions going for? i bought mine the first time daniela brought them to satin ballroom. not in the best shape, but it's never been very helpful to me, and it's not like i have much sentimental attachment to it.... hmm.

[NoirDame]

I feel really awful for this, but I stole mine from the library. They only charged me the original price ($15 or so) plus a restocking fee. When I get rich and famous I will have to donate alot of money to them to ease my guilty concious.


I did it, too.

[BeBopBaby]

i'm curious, how much are the first editions going for? i bought mine the first time daniela brought them to satin ballroom. not in the best shape, but it's never been very helpful to me, and it's not like i have much sentimental attachment to it.... hmm.

I sold my first edition for the same reasons. I didn't find the book to be very helpful. I sold mine about a year and a half ago for a $90 BIN to a gal in Germany. But, seeing the prices they are selling for now, I probably could have gotten a higher BIN. At the time, I was amazed someone bought it for $90 - I thought that was highway robbery!

[Marc Chevalier]

I feel really awful for this, but I stole mine from the library. They only charged me the original price ($15 or so) plus a restocking fee. When I get rich and famous I will have to donate alot of money to them to ease my guilty concious.
I did it, too.


No offense, but that's just AWFUL. Please, please return those two books! :(


.

[Marc Chevalier]

I've just bout "1940s Hairstyles" off ebay for $100 - but I think I'm going to photocopy it and sell it on - I can't afford to pay that for a book and keep it!


Doing this is ILLEGAL: it violates copyright laws. Any online website will delete your listing and might kick you out permanently. Please don't go ahead with it!

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[Daisy Buchanan]

Doing this is ILLEGAL: it violates copyright laws. Any online website will delete your listing and might kick you out permanently. Please don't go ahead with it!

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I think what she meant was that she was gonna photocopy it for her personal use and sell the original that she bought. I know photocopying copyrighted books is illegal, but if it is kept private and only for personal use, it might not be so terrible. Selling copies of the book for profit, that would be illegal. There is a seller on ebay who is selling a photocopied book about 1940's hairstyles, called something like "How to Dress Your Hair". She sent me a copy for free when I ordered some things from her. It is not an exact reproduction of "1940's Hairstyle's" but it does have sections taken directly from the book and other books as well. Such a scam!

[Hamilton_Honey]

No offense, but that's just AWFUL. Please, please return those two books! :(


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To expound on my agreement with Marc on this subject, and NOT to pick on anyone, please understand that the resources at our Public Libraries are for the Public (the whole community) to have the ability to access information that they may not be able to afford individually. The original generous individuals who sponsored this venture in our country changed our society for the best in a big way, and it has proven to be invaluable to us.

In my community, our libraries are struggling to remain open due to the rising costs of theft and lack of volunteers. If we want to enjoy the privileges of our free country, we must also protect them. :) Sorry it's a bit off the Beauty topic....

[RetroMom]

I have both the original (the one with the illustration of the girl on the cover) and the one with Gene Tierney. I bought them years and years ago when they first came out. I have to agree with those who said they like the 1st edition better, there are even little tidbits of info that are non hair related scattered thru the book.

I like them both well enough, but as someone else posted, a lot of the material is copied from reference books or hairdresser magazines of that decade, and if you search, can be found on the web.

[decodoll]

There is a seller on ebay who is selling a photocopied book about 1940's hairstyles, called something like "How to Dress Your Hair". She sent me a copy for free when I ordered some things from her. It is not an exact reproduction of "1940's Hairstyle's" but it does have sections taken directly from the book and other books as well. Such a scam!

The 1940's Hairstyles book is taken almost directly from a vintage hairstyling book that I own the original of. Most likely the things that you see in that pamphlet that are also in 1940's Hairstyles were taken by Ms. Turudich from the vintage original...not the other way around.

[Kitty_Sheridan]

I agree, I have a 1938 hairdressing manual that was reprinted in 1947. It is pretty much the same book, I paid £28 for it at an antiques fair. It's all still a foreign language to me !

[Daisy Buchanan]

The 1940's Hairstyles book is taken almost directly from a vintage hairstyling book that I own the original of. Most likely the things that you see in that pamphlet that are also in 1940's Hairstyles were taken by Ms. Turudich from the vintage original...not the other way around.

I also have a textbook from the late 40's. But, the seller who is selling this pamphlet did in fact take pictures and quotes from Turudich directly. She also used information from the exact hairstyling book I have. She's a very nice seller, and for about $13 you can get one of her "books". Either way, between the 4 books I have to help me with styling, I feel like I'm reading a foreign language. I get the basics, but when it comes to doing specific styles, I'm lost:(

[PA Dancer]

http://www.ocweekly.com/culture/fashion/olde/17197/

OldeThe past isn’t dead for Daniela Turudich. It isn’t even past
By Alison M. Rosen
Thursday, April 19, 2001 - 12:00 am

Photo by Jack Gould
Should you ever have the opportunity to meet Daniela Turudich in person, DO NOT DO IT OVER LUNCH.

There you’ll be, idly munching on some nondescript crunchy thing in your salad while she tells you that women used to put crushed insect bodies all over their lips, but "they couldn’t wear it for long because it would start to sting and decay." Then, as you debate what to do with the nugget of increasingly bug-like salad in your mouth, she’ll tell you that carmine—crushed bugs—is still used as a red coloring in high-end lipsticks and also that "the difference between makeup back then and now is that back then, they just cared about how to make it stick so it wouldn’t rot or bleed." Yummers!

But it isn’t just the disgusting cosmetic habits of the first half of the 20th century that interests Turudich, it’s everything: the hair, the clothes, the music, the mindset, the decorations—so much so that she has written a string of vintage how-to books, including the upcoming 1940s Hairstyles, Vintage Face and Vintage Weddings, all of which she’s putting out through her own Long Beach-based publishing company, Streamline Press.

And she’s only 24, which makes her part historian, part writer, part publisher, part entrepreneur and part whippersnapper.

But what I want to know is this: it’s perfectly acceptable, hip and cool to crib from the 1950s and ’40s, and a little more unusual but still stylish from the ’30s and ’20s, but dip any deeper, and pretty soon you’re just a big, fat, cape-wearing, sword-carrying, small-pewter-figurine-collecting, Advanced Dungeons and Dragons-playing, Renaissance Faire-going goober who carries his pet rat on his shoulder and challenges his friends to duels. Which is not to say that I think they’re goobers (although I kind of do), but rather that society at large is unkind to those who wear capes.

Why is that? Why is cape-wearing really any different from rolling your hair into a bunch of pin curls and shopping at vintage-clothing stores? Or tweezing your eyebrows until they‚Äôre pencil-thin ?† la Jean Harlow? Or listening to swing? Or, to reference an even more familiar style, slicking back your pompadour with Murray‚Äôs and rolling your white T-shirt back over half-sleeve tattoos and driving a flame-covered Kustom Kar? Or dyeing your hair black and cutting the front into thick Betty Page-style bangs and wearing a leopard-print halter top?

It’s all retro. It’s all been done before. It’s all "vintage." But I’m just as fallen as the rest of you, for though I intellectually realize that it’s all the same—that retro is retro is retro—I could probably find myself attracted to a greaser but not to a man who carries a rat on his shoulder and dips his own candles. I might wear ’50s-style eyeliner, but I’ll never wear pantaloons underneath a hoop skirt.

I don’t get it. And Turudich—who graduated from Cal State Long Beach with a degree in film and went on to work as a "grunt" in the film industry, doing research for a couple of period pictures before deciding she’d rather keep her own hours—doesn’t get it either. But she has some ideas. "I think if women were out there wearing bustles," Turudich says, "they wouldn’t be accepted the same way as people wearing styles from the ’20s, ’30s and ’40s because the ’20s, ’30s and ’40s are seen as less extreme. There’s a certain nostalgia for that time, for whatever reason. Maybe it’s that people’s grandparents or great-grandparents dressed this way," Turudich says. "Plus, it’s more comfortable than bustles or hoop skirts or Victorian corsets. We’re talking about wearable clothing. Also, this is when you start having the whole star icon. It’s people emulating people they find beautiful."

Turudich has seen a pattern in the retro-worship of those around her. "I’m going to generalize, but usually people move from punk rock to rockabilly and then they go to swing," she says. "That’s the progression. They like the whole underground culture of punk rock, and then they slow down in their 20s and 30s and like hot rods, and then they realize there’s something else besides the 1950s, so they start doing the ’40s and then the ’30s and the ’20s. That’s what I’ve seen."

Turudich—who on this day is dressed like a normal, 21st-century girl in black pants, a red shirt and a black cardigan and with very little makeup on her delicate features—says she’s not obsessed with the past. "I don’t dress vintage every day," she says. "There are some girls who don’t leave the house without having the hair and makeup done, and I’m not like that. I do it for special occasions. I’m too lazy to do it every day."

And so I begin to wonder whether this vintage stuff is a passion for her or if she’s just a smart woman who recognizes a viable market.

"It’s probably half and half," she says. "I’m not obsessed with vintage culture, but I definitely like it. I wouldn’t be able to spend years researching topics that I wasn’t interested in. It just so happens that the topics I’m researching are going to sell, and other people want to know about this stuff, too."

Turudich says she’s met people who believe they were reincarnated into the present from the ’20s, ’30s or ’40s. I find that incredibly creepy, just like I find World War II re-enactments (for which her books can be used) creepy—and "re-enactment" in general kind of creepy.

"You know, whatever floats your boat. The world’s a big place," she says in a most diplomatic way. "It doesn’t creep me out. If you’re interested in it, go do it—as long as you’re not hurting anybody." Kind of creepy.

She will meet me halfway on the whole creepy thing in one area, though. "You know what I find creepy? When people claim they’re being individuals, but they’re just copying someone else. It’s one thing to find someone pretty and to emulate them, but it becomes a problem when they’re actually seriously trying to be someone else—like trying to be Betty Grable or Marilyn Monroe or Louise Brooks. They’re human beings, and they’re dead, and there’s only one of them, you know? Appreciate that style, and think it’s pretty, and adapt it to your life without trying to be it. I think there’s a fine line between appreciating the beauty and re-creating a certain person."

[fernande]

I've read various threads pertaining to The 1940's hairstyle book.

I've never flipped through the Daniela's version, but I do have about 6 period hairstyling/makeup books, some which I paid a fortune for, and I've only seen once- on places like Ebay or Amazon- and a few I bought privately from people who's great grandmother's were beauty educators and stuff like that- things that I don't think anyone has- books that probably were released in 50 copies, things like that-
-and from reading fellow FL'er's posts- it appears That Trundich "lifted" many parts/illustrations for her own book-and due to these books, although being hard to find- are in the public domain- it was legal.

I guess it was just one of those instances where she was clever enough to see that these books were public domain- and snag the stuff for herself--and it appears that even though she's used these illustrations- the old books they came from are still public domain and can be reproduced- which is where I guess those photo-copy books on Ebay come into play- (not "1940's hairstyles" mind you- but photocopies of the original 1940's books)

I've had several friends tell me I should do a collection-of my public domain works- lots of deco, 30s, 40s- glamour and hairstyle books-
Over the past two weeks- Ive done tons of research because I'd never want to do anything that wasn't legal- and it seems if they fell into public domain they are okay for use.

Where I get confused, is where other people have taken similar public domain works (like Daniela with some of her illustations- where it seems I have the book she lifted the illustrations from) and already used them. What I found, is that if the photos are altered, or revised, that one can copyright the revisions?
It makes you head swirl. Even though I'd love to make money it does seem kind of lame that people would have beef with each other over work/illustrations that were not their own anyways- but I know that those sort of arguments and disputes arise every day- in every art form/business venture- (anyone reading about the "Cup Cake Wars" in NYC? a certain bakery is trying to trademark their cupcakes/methods/"ambiance"- to prevent a few former employees from using similar recipes in their newly opened (and thus competing) bakeries)
The businesswoman in me says "well if I can do reprints of 5 books in one" for $19.99- it would be much more appealing than the copies of one 40's hairstyling book (that most recently I've seen the two sellers on ebay selling for $24.99) but I'd love to hear what people think on this- I'm sure many girls would be all out thrilled to have access to this information- than put out the nearly 1$,200.00 I spend on obtaining the books.

from all the "vintage hair" posts on FL- you see what *INTEREST* there is- but to update and revise, and enhance photos (through photoshop-illustrator, ect) would involve a considerable amount of time (especially since I'm not a whiz- at either program)- and of course, I'd love to recoup some of my investment. I'm only human- everybody loves a little extra cash!

I agree with Daisy and a few others who posted about the book's still not being very informative- Most of the books I have *are* kind of hard to understand and follow- I think when produced they assumed most women were pretty good at rolling/pincurling their hair and just provided more elaborate "looks"- (charts- rolling patterns,ect) to follow.

but if I had the money to invest- I'd love to work on a whole new book- that offers beginning, intermediate, and advanced- retro styles.
This could be an interesting project if any other Lounger's with hair savvy wanted to get involved!

opinions??

:)

[PA Dancer]

You are right about the books.
I have copies of 40 hair, vintage face, and vintage wedding.

I thought that these would be the bible of all books thinking they would show pictures of the step by step process of recreating the hair styles etc....

I mentioned before in the FL...I leaned more from reading our threads and finding stuff on the internet than I did in these books.

Ten different people can explain how to do a hair style ten different ways and each one will come out the same.

I feel if you have the passion to write your book....go for it.

I found some message boards with Daniela asking about speak-easys.
(google turudich@inreach.com to find)

She even had to start somewhere.

[RetroModelSari]

I stumbled over some scans from the book "Vintage Face" and saved them to share them. Here they are:

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3910/1920sgi7.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1920sgi7.jpg)

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9936/1920s2kf6.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1920s2kf6.jpg)

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2253/1940sbt4.th.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1940sbt4.jpg)

Rather disappointing... It´s nothing that the majority of us does not know already. The make up guide at return2style.de is waaaaaaaaaaaaay more helpfull!!!!!

[Miss Brill]

I stumbled over some scans from the book "Vintage Face" and saved them to share them. Here they are:

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3910/1920sgi7.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1920sgi7.jpg)

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9936/1920s2kf6.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1920s2kf6.jpg)

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2253/1940sbt4.th.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1940sbt4.jpg)

Rather disappointing... It´s nothing that the majority of us does not know already. The make up guide at return2style.de is waaaaaaaaaaaaay more helpfull!!!!!


Is that really all there is in it? I have some old high school home ec and beauty/fashion books from the 20s-60s and they have the little how-tos of where to put rouge & how to choose hairstyles and necklines, and they can be found for .25 at garage sales!

[RetroModelSari]

Yeah. Each decade has only the following infos: Colours, tools needed, Foundation and cheeks, Eyebrow and eyes, Lips and nails and 3 looks to do. I thought there would be muuuuuuuuuuuch more... I mean each of us could write a book on that.

Now that´s something I would MAYBE buy for a few bucks, but not for a few hundred. It´s really a better idea to invest in old beauty books and mags!