"The Whole Ten Yards"

[Canadave]

Anyone see these pics yet? I like the hat...know what it is?

http://www.freepgs.com/canadave/hat.JPG

http://www.freepgs.com/canadave/hat2.JPG


David

[Nathan Flowers]

I can't see the detail on it really well, but it looks to me to be a Milan straw hat. The ribbon looks vintage, but I have seen hats from Baron's that use ribbons like that as well. I wouldn't doubt if Baron's did it.

Here's mine. It's currently getting cleaned and reblocked (in a slightly different shape) so it'll be ready for the summer.

http://images5.fotki.com/v57/photos/9/98066/525912/104_0461-vi.jpg

http://images4.fotki.com/v47/photos/9/98066/525912/1090956_IMG-vi.jpg

[Art Fawcett]

You may be right Zohar, but this one REALLY looks vintage 1960s. The straw takes on that golden look with age and this one has it!!

[Nathan Flowers]

You're right, it could possibly be with that patina. :)

[Andykev]

You just got that hat! How come it needs a cleaning already? I can understand the reblock.....hummmm dusty conditons on the winter shelf, perhaps?;)

[MK]

I think that hat on Bruce looks lame. I don't like the crown at all. It looks like a woman's hat.

[Matt Deckard]

Originally posted by MK
I think that hat on Bruce looks lame. I don't like the crown at all. It looks like a woman's hat.

Don't hold back... tell us how you really feel.

It is an aquired look that I can't pull off. But it is still a look.

I myself think he looks better in this hat.

http://images5.fotki.com/v67/photos/8/83243/323365/willis-vi.jpg

[Nathan Flowers]

I think I got it back in May, and I wore the heck out of it all last summer because it was my only straw. That was my first Optimo.

[Art Fawcett]

WOW MATT!!!! How did you get that picture? It's my hat!! The original title to this movie was "Gangster" but if I remember correctly they changed it to "Last Man Standing" Am I correct?

[Matt Deckard]

Last man standing, correct.

I'm good good at searching the web for pics... and had it sitting on my computer for a while though don't remember where it is from.

Is that a new hat or a vintage?

[Art Fawcett]

It is a vintage that i renovated and rented to the film. TOO COOL!!!

[Canadave]

Originally posted by Zohar
I can't see the detail on it really well, but it looks to me to be a Milan straw hat. The ribbon looks vintage, but I have seen hats from Baron's that use ribbons like that as well. I wouldn't doubt if Baron's did it.

Here's mine. It's currently getting cleaned and reblocked (in a slightly different shape) so it'll be ready for the summer.


Unlike MK, I like Bruce's...and yours (especially with the brim flipped up all the way around)! Where can I get one like it? (I searched on Baron's Hats, but couldn't find a web site.

D

[Nathan Flowers]

Optimo sells them, and they can make your size, too.

www.optimohats.com

[Fedora]

To each his own I guess. I don't like stingy brimmed hats. They all look comical to me, almost a caricature of a real hat. No offense. I will take a broad brim, tall crown fedora any day of the week and twice on Sunday. :D The stingy brimmed hats do look right nice on circus clowns though. ;) :D Fedora

[Canadave]

Originally posted by Fedora
To each his own I guess. I don't like stingy brimmed hats. They all look comical to me, almost a caricature of a real hat. No offense. I will take a broad brim, tall crown fedora any day of the week and twice on Sunday. :D The stingy brimmed hats do look right nice on circus clowns though. ;) :D Fedora


Hmmm, circus clowns...or me, right? :D

None taken.

D

[Matt Deckard]

We all wear hats for fashion as well as function.
If we were wearing hats purely for function they would have 3 1/2" brims and a short short crown height with a bound edge to keep the brim sturdy


http://www.dirtybillyshats.com/c21.jpg


If we were wearing them for fashion alone we would be wearing Devo hats, or this

http://www.vondutch.com/store/ProductImages/details/9116_l.jpg

[Andykev]

Not my style, but Frank Sinatra looked great in his stingy brim.

[Wild Root]

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! Oh Matt, you are a funnnnnnnnnnnny MAN!

That trucker hat was the best! I had hats like that in the 80's! Man, did they look bad on me!

Thanks for bringing a big laugh to my day bro!

Cheers.

[Fedora]

You have a good nature Canadave, and no offense meant. Actually, now that I think of it, Carlos Santana looks pretty cool with his stingy brimmed hats. I never liked Sinatra's choice, although some have said a wider brimmed fedora would have looked funny on such a thin fellow. That is a matter of opinion as most hard and fast hat rules miss the mark, IMHO. ;) If that were the case, only big men would wear western hats. I see lots of country and western singers, who are skinny, wearing those sombreros they call cowboy hats. I think old Blue eyes wore those small hats so you could see his face. Vanity thou name art..... LOL Fedora

[Matt Deckard]

Originally posted by Wild Root
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! Oh Matt, you are a funnnnnnnnnnnny MAN!

That trucker hat was the best! I had hats like that in the 80's! Man, did they look bad on me!

Thanks for bringing a big laugh to my day bro!

Cheers.

Actually you probably had a cap like this in the 80's
http://i3.ebayimg.com/02/i/00/dc/57/de_1.JPG

[Andykev]

Sinatra did wear the wide 40's fedora in several films and in promo shots. He is rather skinny, in the early days, but he seemed to evoke coolness no matter what he wore.

Good job Frank.

[Michael Mallory]

I'm positive that Baron made the hats for the movie, because last year I was in the shop and Mark invited me into the back room where he had six identical hats that he said he was making for Bruce Willis. I assumed they were for his personal use, but the first time I saw the poster for the film, I recognized them. (What I didn't recognize was Kevin Pollak!)

[Art Fawcett]

MM, I have no doubt that Mark might have made some of the hats for this film, however, he did not make ALL the hats for it. I find it interesting that you saw them last year when the film was finished about 5 yrs ago and aired at least 4 years ago. Are you sure he wasn't working on another film?

[havershaw]

2 items:

I don't think that straw hat looks good on Bruce, either. Looks like it's smushing his ears down. Just kind of looks a little too big for his head, so I guess for me, it's not so much about not liking the hat style as it is about not liking that particular fit.

Art, I think you might be thinking of the original film, which (correct me if I'm wrong) is called The Whole Nine Yards. This new film, a sequel, is called The Whole Ten Yards and just came out, or is about to come out. (When I saw the trailer, I was very confused also, thinking, "didn't this film come out a long time ago?" because I couldn't recall the name of the first film.)

I always thought the hats in Last Man Standing looked awesome. Great job, Art! I would love to see a list of the films you've done hats for. Hey, you didn't do A League of Their Own, did you? Some of the hats in there are terrific.

[Art Fawcett]

Havershaw, thanks for the compliment!! Actually, I was talking only about the hat Willis is wearing in the pic Matt posted. I had nothing to do with either Nine yard or Ten yards, but rather " last man standing". I can't remember the costumer on it as it was so long ago but I do remember being flattered that Willis was wearing one of my hats. I think I could only provide about 20 hats for that film as they were so specific in their requirements and I was not making hats then, just renovating vintage ones. I think that everyone should know that usually no single hatter provides all hats for a specific film like this or others that are major budget. I have no idea how many companies provided hats for Seabiscuit but I'm sure there were many. I was only able to provide about 100 out of 15,000 needed. For reasons known only to her, she happened to pic one of mine to feature on Bridges which is really flattering, but in no way was I a major force on that film. I'm sure that Baron's was a major force as he is set up for mass production when needed.
I DID recently do something pretty neat for a series!! In feb I was approached by the costumer for the upcoming season of the HBO series "Carnivale". She had come to the Vintage Expo and when walking by my booth she stopped dead in her tracks and pointed at one of my custom hats declaring that it was EXACTLY what she wanted for the series and asked me to make 300 of them. Then she saw my price. ugg She had only $45 per hat budgeted and I was at $175. SO, we comprimised. I made the prototype hat that she paid full price for, then she contracted out for the rest. I really wish whoever got the contract ( I suspect Baron's did as they have the connections) great success on it, but I'll always know this - they were designed after my specs. Cool stuff!!

[Art Fawcett]

oops, just saw your second question. Nope, I didn't have anything in "League of their own" . I wish I did as I really liked the film. for a long time on the old website I maintained a list of films but I sortof let it get behind at around 70 films. I don't think I updated that page for 5 yrs, but my wife assures me we have had clothing in over 100. Most also had some of my hats.

[Wild Root]

Art that is really something! When I looked at your sight I saw a suit I recognized. You know the one. And I was happy to hear that it made it into Seabiscuit.

Funny how things I once had is now famous! Cool.

Matt that is the Cooooooooolest hat! Where did you find a photo of an 80?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢s Pac Man hat? Too funny!

I had a hat some what like that but, it was navy blue and had NASA on the front in red.

Cheers.

[STHill]

Hey, Art, what style of hat did the "Carnivale" lady pick out? And why do you suppose they need 300 hats that are exactly the same?

Carnivale is a very cool show, by the way. They really do a great job of getting the dust bowl/depression era look. Beautiful cinematography (at least to my non-expert eye).

[Art Fawcett]

She wanted the true 1930s straight sided 6" crown with center dent, 1 3/4 ribbon & 2 3/8-5/8 raw edged brim. She DID want different colors but all the same distinctive '30s look. What was interesting and a point that I want to learn from is that they are going to have to distress every one of them to look old on camera. I don't have a clue how they intend to do it. It is still a work in progress as I continue to send things to them and they use me as a reference. We are incontact quite a bit.
I was only able to see one episode of last season when I was traveling and the hotel had HBO. I'm too cheap to pay for it.) When I saw Crissy I was honest, I didn't like the series. It reminds me too much of "Twin Peaks" that was way too far out for me, but I thought the technical side was great. Since we have worked together on several films ( I think "Kansas City" was the first with her) she let it slide. Whew!!

[havershaw]

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid110/pba1960d9083b0ac8fbbe4fb4edf9db33/f9249201.jpg

[Wild Root]

Oh Havershaw! You funny guy! That's close, but mine was from KRAFT Foods and it was a promotional deal that my Dad got when he worked there.

But, that's in the ballpark for sure!

[havershaw]

yeah, that was the closest I could find.

[Wild Root]

Man that was cool! I would like to welcome you to me and Matt?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢s discussion of really tacky 80?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢s hats.

I showed that photo to my brother and he laughed and remembered the NASA hat very well!

There is an even more funny story to the NASA hat I will tell when I have more time.

Cheers.

[Michael Mallory]

Art: I was referring to "The Whole Ten Yard" (since that's the title of this thread), which filmed last year. Though I have to break it to you, as a friend, that Dave Brown is also laying claim to that hat on Willis's follicly-challenged noggin in "Last Man Standing." In fact, there's an autographed "thanks for the hat" picture from Willis in the hat on his site.

[farnham54]

I agree, that hat looks plain goofy on Bruce. But, if you are familiar with the film and it's prequel, you miight sort of understand it.

Bruce plays a hitman; really dangerous dude. No one looks sideways at him or they get it. His co-star, Matt Perry from Friends was trying to marry Bruce's daughter. Hilarity ensues, I guess.

So the point is, Bruce might look goofy in the hat. But who's going to say anything to a HITMAN about looking goofy?

Regards,

Farn

P.S. The original film was quite funny, worth picking up at the video store if you see it.

[Art Fawcett]

thanks for clearing that up MM. I never made claim to anything other than Last man standing. Interesting that Brown has it on his site as his. Geeze, whats a guy gotta do??? Actually Michael, I really don't care that much. There was a performer ( can't remember who) that would to tell his audience "No applause please, just throw money!!" At least I can prove beyond doubt with the Seabiscuit hat. Mark asked me to look at his site and was a bit taken back with how much he has about Seabiscuit, even reproducing my hat. I wonder if he has gotten much business from it? Hope so, its good for everyone!!

[Art Fawcett]

MM
I just visited Dave Brown site and wow, we have actually worked on the same films a number of times. I also had hats in Road to perdition, about 100 in Catch Me including suits etc.. Like I said earlier, there is usually more than one supplier for films so when I get to hat a lead, it's a big deal for me. I guess I should try to start getting autographs also.

[farnham54]

Wasn't Barons also claiming to have supplied some hats for Temple of Doom? Or am I mistaking them for another company?

[Michael Mallory]

I don't know if Baron's actually claims to have made hats for "Temple of Doom," but there's kind of an open implication by the fact that they toss the photo of Harrison Ford around in their publicity. It's teaching John Travolta to dance for "Saturday Night Fever" all over again!

[Rundquist]

That hat looks too big for Bruce. You can see space between the sweatband and his head. I think that the costumer failed. This is more in line with the look that I believe that they were trying to achieve.
http://images3.fotki.com/v28/photos/4/42201/142738/8-vi.jpg

Milan straw is interesting because it still can have a cool look even if the hat itself is a piece of crap. Dobbs makes a Milan weave that looks decent but is hard as a rock and heavy, making it very uncomfortable to wear. It still looks decent though. Here?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢s my Optimo.

http://images3.fotki.com/v28/photos/4/42201/306393/P1010017-vi.jpg
http://images3.fotki.com/v28/photos/4/42201/306393/P1010007-vi.jpg

The stingy brim look is something that I thought that I?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢d never ever go for. Ironically, it is now the first thing that I go for if I want to appear like a hip jazzer. The Indiana Jones style (big brimmed and big crowned) which was my first love, is now a style that I have to struggle with to match clothes with. Go figure. Cheers

I must have had the sun in my eyes when these were taken.
http://images1.fotki.com/v12/photos/4/42201/589489/P1010015-vi.jpg

http://images5.fotki.com/v52/photos/4/42201/589489/P1010016-vi.jpg
http://images5.fotki.com/v52/photos/4/42201/589489/P1010021-vi.jpg

[Canadave]

Those are nice hats! Where'd you get the Optimo?

Obviously, I like the stingy brims too, even if some around here think they're best suited to "clowns". ;)

Guess that's why it's not called The Pork Pie Lounge!

D

PS Yeah, Bruce's hat looks too big, but I don't think it's a mistake. My guess is that it's either his preference, for comedic value, or just "a look'!

[Nathan Flowers]

Dave:

www.optimohats.com

[Canadave]

Thanks Zohar, I know about that site but don't find it too helpful, as one can't really see a variety of styles. I'd be curious what Rundquist's hat is called, and whether Optimos can be purchased elsewhere, or only from the site or in person in Chicago.

Thanks again,

David

[Nathan Flowers]

Originally posted by Canadave
Thanks Zohar, I know about that site but don't find it too helpful, as one can't really see a variety of styles. I'd be curious what Rundquist's hat is called, and whether Optimos can be purchased elsewhere, or only from the site or in person in Chicago.

Thanks again,

David

Well, I'm at the risk of going off topic, but here goes.

The Optimo site doesn't really show any of their styles. They do have a brochure, that you can get if you call them and ask them to mail you one, but the brochure doesn't have all of their styles in it either. Your best bet is to call them.

Rundquist's hat is a Milan Straw hat (pronounced My-Lin). It has a teardrop shaped block. The hat I showed above is similar to his, but it has a center dent block. They have numerous blocks, but they try to get one that will look good on your face and body type.

The Optimo Hat Co. is in Chicago, and it is best to buy hats directly from them. They sell their own hats. They are not a reseller of other hats.
For more information on them, I'd recommend looking at MK's Golden Era page on them here:
http://www.thegoldenera.net/Optimo.html

You may want to go through some of the old posts here where you can see some of the hats they have made for other members of the lounge.

My main recommendation for you though, if you are really interested in one of their hats, is to call them
773-238-2999
They are open from 10am-5pm Central time. Very cool people, and nice to talk to.

Cheers,
Nathan

[Canadave]

Good info. Thanks for your help, Nathan.

(Continuing off topic, what is the meaning of "Zohar"?)

D

[Nathan Flowers]

haha, I'll save that for a PM, since it isn't pertinent to hats.

[Michael Mallory]

I agree that Milan straw has a unique appeal. I have a couple Milans and I'm getting to like the look more and more. I also agree that Willis' hat in "Whole Ten Yards" fits badly and makes him look dorky, at least in the key art. However, not having seen the movie, it's possible that that was the point: maybe his character is supposed to look like a dork. There was a film a few years ago in which Andy Garcia habitually wore hats, but he was supposed to come off as some who thought he looked cool, rather than someone who actually looked cool.

[farnham54]

Judging by the look on his face in the pic with the Alias lady, the goofy hat is probobly for comedic value. Either way, this thread has cemented it: I'll have to check this one out in theaters. It's out on the 9th of April for all those interested.

REgards,

Craig

[hatlady]

I agree with the gentleman who said this looks like a woman's hat! The crown is too deep. The braid is a very fine quailty Milan straw, and there is a fab place in NYC to get vintage petersham or gros grain ribbon. I make one similar in a hemp and a straw/paper blend material, yet sadly I do not YET have a crown block large enough for your generous headsize.


Still looking out for you, Karyn

[Canadave]

Originally posted by hatlady
..yet sadly I do not YET have a crown block large enough for your generous headsize...

"Generous headsize"...I like that. Beats the heck out of "huge melon"!!!:D

David

[The_Edge]

Yeah, I think that straw hat on BW looks like a broad's hat too. But since it is a comedy I'll let it go. "The Whole Nine Yards" is a very funny movie and greatly overlooked at its release. The sequel doesn't look all that good from the trailers. Neither did TWNY though.

BW's hat in "Last Man Standing" is durn cool even with the stingy brim. I like that flick.