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Sierra Charriba
07-14-2006, 12:01 PM
The french 2?me Division Blind?e (2nd armoured division) was the most famous military unit of De Gaulle's troops. Called "Division Leclerc",and totally equiped as an us army armoured division, was the first in arrive to Paris (you know the film "Is Paris burning?"), with a combat team composed almost completely by spanish volunteers. The uniform of division armoured infantry was the same that US infantry, with some tipically french details, as the headress (the "qu?pi" and the "bonnet de police) or the elegant "ch?che", the cotton scarf of colonial troops. Here, some photos of this interesting impression.
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m308/sierracharriba/Normanda.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m308/sierracharriba/TENIENTE.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m308/sierracharriba/9880449c.jpg

Miss_Bella_Hell
07-14-2006, 12:20 PM
Happy Bastille Day ;)

tallyho
07-14-2006, 12:36 PM
My grandfather was a member of the french marines during the war. he was originally a reagular sailor until we sank his ship in casablanca. any way, he then joined the french marine comandos and was involved with the landings in southern France until the jeep he was riding in ran over a mine. the other occupants were killed. he said he was attached to the " duesieme division Blindee" but i now beleive he may have actually been with the Premiere Division Blindee. I would love to here from anyone who has any info on this subject.

Merci Beaucoupe!

Sefton
07-14-2006, 01:27 PM
Those are terrific photos. Thanks for posting them! I especiallly liked the blue cloth cap in the third photo. Interesting and rather unknown (to us in the U.S.,anyway) history.

Sefton
07-14-2006, 01:31 PM
Sierra Charriba welcome to the Lounge!Are you Spanish or just living in Spain? I'm Spanish (on my mothers side) and I'm reading Orwell's account of the Spanish Civil War right now. If you have any photos or links about that time please post them. It's not exactly WWII although perhaps close enough. Cheers! Sefton

Sierra Charriba
07-14-2006, 02:01 PM
I'm spanish, and I live in Madrid. I'm reenactor of Spanish Civil War and WWII, and you can see the webs of boths groups in www.lanueve.net and www.aycarmela.net.
"La Nueve" was the name in spanish of th 9th company of R?giment de Marche du Tchad. This company was almost totally formed in northern africa, in 1943,with exiled republican spanish, veterans of the civil war.
Also, many spanish fougth in the french "r?sistence" and in the "maquis".
Here, more photos of both topics.
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m308/sierracharriba/6a9ba532.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m308/sierracharriba/3913db69.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m308/sierracharriba/4558d7e2.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m308/sierracharriba/97369421.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m308/sierracharriba/Enelmaquis.jpg

Best wishes

Marc Chevalier
07-14-2006, 02:25 PM
Do you drink Spanish absenta (ajenjo / absinthe) at your gatherings, Sierra?

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Salv
07-14-2006, 03:38 PM
Sierra Chariba - welcome to the Lounge, and thanks for the very interesting photos and the great links.

Monday 17th July will be the 70th anniversary of the start of the Spanish Civil War and I had planned to start a thread on that very subject on the day. The uprising was scheduled to start on the 18th but the plans were discovered on the 17th by the pro-Republican General Romerales in Melilla in Morocco. The General couldn't decide whether to arrest the conspirators or not, but the leader of the rebellion in Melilla acted faster and arrested the general who was later sentenced to death by the Nationalists. The uprising went ahead as planned on the 18th.

For anyone that's interested I can, without hesitation, recommend Anthony Beevor's The Battle For Spain (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/014303765X/sr=8-1/qid=1152916267/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-8593366-6910304?ie=UTF8)- an exhaustively detailed, massive history of the Civil War, and available from amazon.com for just $11.56. Beevor originally wrote a much shorter account of the war in 1982, but with access to Soviet and German archives he has been able to expand the earlier work and go into much greater depth. According to Beevor 'La Neuve' were commanded by Captain Raymond Dronne. Their tanks had such names as Madrid, Teruel, Ebro, Guernica and Don Quixote.

Lincsong
07-14-2006, 04:15 PM
Welcome here buddy. My great-grandfather is from Andalusia. He came to the U.S.A. in 1907.

J.B.Saxon
07-14-2006, 10:44 PM
Hola compadre!

Mui bien photographias! (ooooh, me and my bad spanish[huh] )

Welcome on board. These are great pics.
I dont know much about the spanish civil war, but it is a pleasure to learn about that from you.
Keep on posting!

J.B.

Semper Fi

BellyTank
07-15-2006, 03:33 AM
Welcome Sierra Charriba-
Good timing- I believe there has been a lot of interest in the Spanish Civil War brewing here at the Lounge- now we have something and someone to talk about/to.

Great photos and uniforms!

Welcome!

B
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Absinthe_1900
07-15-2006, 04:19 AM
Do you drink Spanish absenta (ajenjo / absinthe) at your gatherings, Sierra?

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Don't forget Pernod Tarragonna.;)

Sierra Charriba
07-15-2006, 04:33 AM
The abshenta was forbidden to sell, but now you can buy it without problems, if you find it
...drunken by absentha?: bad, very bad, the morning after.

nightandthecity
07-15-2006, 04:34 AM
I was also thinking of opening a "70th anniversary" thread on Monday!

Although the Generals' rebellion was always called "the Movement of the 18th July" in the Franco era, as Salv says it really began on the 17th with the "premature" risings in Morocco.

We had some discussion on the Civil War back in March

http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?t=7127&highlight=axis

It included the following link to an article on the Spanish Resistance in WW2 France. Although its basically about the Maquis there is some mention of the 9th Company of the French 2nd Armoured in Paris 1944.

http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/spain/france_afa.html

For those who know nothing of the war here are two basic online introductions to the subject

http://www.historyhome.co.uk/europe/spaincw.htm
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/Spanish-Civil-War.htm

I recently found links to some stunning original films made by the Anarcho-Syndicalist CNT, including dramatic footage of the suppression of the rising by the workers of Barcelona. These are viewable online with Quicktime. Im a bit busy right now, but Ill try and post them asap!

Sierra Charriba
07-15-2006, 04:59 AM
OK, let's open a thread abou it! I have A LOT of photographs, originals and reenacted and many things to say. There's a topic that I think can be interesting to Fedora Lounge partenaires: the americans and the Spanish Civil War ( the Lincoln Brigade), and also, the Spanish Civil War-Hollywood connection, including the maccarthism era. Many Hollywood movies of Golden Era are in touch, in any way, with te SCW: for example, Rick Blaine was in Spain before go to Paris Do you remember it? The Vichy police, yes...

mikepara
07-15-2006, 06:44 AM
...and thank you for the great photo's. A wonderful effort. I particually like the 1st one with the Kepi on. mike

Salv
07-15-2006, 11:11 AM
OK, let's open a thread abou it! I have A LOT of photographs, originals and reenacted and many things to say. There's a topic that I think can be interesting to Fedora Lounge partenaires: the americans and the Spanish Civil War ( the Lincoln Brigade), and also, the Spanish Civil War-Hollywood connection, including the maccarthism era. Many Hollywood movies of Golden Era are in touch, in any way, with te SCW: for example, Rick Blaine was in Spain before go to Paris Do you remember it? The Vichy police, yes...

I'll start one now but actually post it on Monday. I'll write an introduction and we can take it from there. I'm looking forward to reading your comments and seeing your photos.

Lincsong
07-15-2006, 04:52 PM
I want to hear the Spanish side of the subject. Sounds interesting.:D

Dahlia
07-16-2006, 11:59 AM
Just wanted to add my welcome and thank you for the photos, I enjoyed looking through them!

BellyTank
07-17-2006, 04:09 AM
Hey Sierra Charriba-
Where can I get a cap like this?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/zaphobeeblebrox/Cap_1.jpg

B
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Sierra Charriba
07-17-2006, 06:14 AM
Like which one? I don't see any image...
The crush o slouch style cap is made in Madrid, by order, but the fabric is the Kakhi drill cotton fabric used by "At the Front" (www.atthefront.com) to make their para uniforms and tanker jackets. The "political commisar" badge is also a copy.The blue beret is french, a "beret basque" easy to find in many places of France.
Regards

BellyTank
07-17-2006, 06:22 AM
Oh!

The cap in the image at this link> http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m308/sierracharriba/3913db69.jpg

Price?

Thanks,
B
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Sierra Charriba
07-17-2006, 06:32 AM
I can't see it now, Belly, but I will do it at home (now I'm in work). I will tell you something about it, after.

Sierra Charriba
07-17-2006, 11:37 AM
I don'y know exactly the price of a cap like this, but I suppose that 90 euro or so, without shipping cost. During august the workshop is closed. You can send the fabric, if you want.