Limited Edition Himel Bros avail. at Orvis?

Cold Cuts · Oct 21, 2016

Just when I thought these pages couldn't get anymore pompous..

Sloan1874 said:
I'm afraid Himelator's wisdom will have to go unread by me. If he can't be bothered with punctuation, why should I bother trying to wade through that wall of text?

FWIW that was the best thing I've read on here for eons. Fantastic detailed insights into the thing each of us is purportedly interested in, and with a nice tight analogy to finish. Who could fail to appreciate such insight? I read it on my phone and it was no bother at all

I've never properly considered buying a Himel but after reading all of that I would definitely be very interested in examining one

Superfluous · Oct 21, 2016

Ulterior motives and agendas pervade TFL . . . and all other internet forums . . . and all other human interaction (I, admittedly, am not immune).

Poster: Its daytime outside . . . here is a photo to prove it.

Reply No. 1: Although I have no evidence to the contrary, I still believe its night time.

Reply No. 2: I refuse to look at your photo because it will hurt my eyes.

Reply No. 3: The OP is merely trying to sell his camera and, therefore, cannot be trusted.

ton312 · Oct 21, 2016

Certainly an insightful post as to the ethos behind how the jackets are made. A bit of stream of consciousness but I got the gist. I'm sure every maker discussed here has a similar set of parameters that guide their construction practices. I personally tend to believe less is more with regard to stitch count strength but that said I don't think DH's jackets will suddenly rip apart if they are worn in the way they were intended (which to me is a casual jacket, not protective gear). Reading Dave's post and Aero's statement provide some really interesting information behind their philosophy. It would be great to hear how Vanson and Langlitz approach construction. We already know how Stu does it:

bretron · Oct 21, 2016

Superfluous said:
Ulterior motives and agendas pervade TFL . . . and all other internet forums . . . and all other human interaction (I, admittedly, am not immune).

Poster: Its daytime outside . . . here is a photo to prove it.

Reply No. 1: Although I have no evidence to the contrary, I still believe its night time.

Reply No. 2: I refuse to look at your photo because it will hurt my eyes.

Reply No. 3: The OP is merely trying to sell his camera and, therefore, cannot be trusted.

Eerily similar to our current political environment!

Monitor · Oct 21, 2016

ton312 said:
Certainly an insightful post as to the ethos behind how the jackets are made. A bit of stream of consciousness but I got the gist. I'm sure every maker discussed here has a similar set of parameters that guide their construction practices. I personally tend to believe less is more with regard to stitch count strength but that said I don't think DH's jackets will suddenly rip apart if they are worn in the way they were intended (which to me is a casual jacket, not protective gear). Reading Dave's post and Aero's statement provide some really interesting information behind their philosophy. It would be great to hear how Vanson and Langlitz approach construction. We already know how Stu does it:

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lol'd.

Sloan1874 · Oct 21, 2016

Cold Cuts said:
Just when I thought these pages couldn't get anymore pompous..

FWIW that was the best thing I've read on here for eons. Fantastic detailed insights into the thing each of us is purportedly interested in, and with a nice tight analogy to finish. Who could fail to appreciate such insight? I read it on my phone and it was no bother at all

I've never properly considered buying a Himel but after reading all of that I would definitely be very interested in examining one

Hello Schitzo, how are you?

Superfluous · Oct 21, 2016

handymike · Oct 21, 2016

Here's some stitches for you...Guys

1930's German

1940's American (ignore the zipper)

1950's American

2014 Goodwear

2015 Thedi

Sorry, I don't own either a Himel or Aero at the moment.

Monitor · Oct 21, 2016

German is insane.

Superfluous · Oct 21, 2016

HM, that stitching is way too dense/concentrated/close together. Those 60-80 year old seams will fail any minute and Chapman's repro won't make it through the winter.

bretron · Oct 21, 2016

GW

Aero

Superfluous · Oct 21, 2016

Good comparison Bret. I suspect that Aero's collar stitch will last well beyond my lifetime, but I personally much prefer the appearance of Chapman's tight stitching on his collar.

bretron · Oct 21, 2016

@Superfluous I agree

navetsea · Oct 22, 2016

Superfluous said:
HM, that stitching is way too dense/concentrated/close together. Those 60-80 year old seams will fail any minute and Chapman's repro won't make it through the winter.

you never actually test the stitches unless you wear the jacket tight, those old jackets aren't worn snug, and whatever type of stitches won't fail by themselves as they are strong enough to a point.

navetsea · Oct 22, 2016

Superfluous said:
Ulterior motives and agendas pervade TFL . . . and all other internet forums . . . and all other human interaction (I, admittedly, am not immune).

Poster: Its daytime outside . . . here is a photo to prove it.

Reply No. 1: Although I have no evidence to the contrary, I still believe its night time.

Reply No. 2: I refuse to look at your photo because it will hurt my eyes.

Reply No. 3: The OP is merely trying to sell his camera and, therefore, cannot be trusted.

A-1 · Oct 22, 2016

I actually like both of the stitching types. In my opinion they both look beautiful and the Aero stitching doesn't look bland or anything. They both look really well done and the Aero even seems flatter. But I think they both add to the aesthetic of the jacket and so deserve a place in jacket-making. I also think that Bret should never be selling either of them! Haha.

It's funny because in my Dave seems to use both types in my J-21. In some places it's very tight, in others it's bit bigger. But as it's black on black it's hard to see actually.

Ah, before I forget. I read the Joycean post of David Himel and I loved it! I see how it makes his jackets harder to produce. For me, I already got my holy grail. And still I like the way this thread turned out!

dudewuttheheck · Oct 22, 2016

Dave's insight is easily one of the best things I have ever read here.

I am a bit biased, of course

Benj · Oct 22, 2016

Dave thanks so much for the post, I love reading that. More paragraphs would be nice but that's some great insight and to me makes more sense than "no guys, thicker thread = better".

Also, the fact that these 1940's jackets have insanely tight stitch counts and are still around tell me that the whole "tight stitch count perforation ripping" problem is perhaps something more theoretical than an actual occurrence.

I would go out tonight · Oct 23, 2016

Mr Himel's post was fascinating and you need to be extremely sure of your own prose to criticize in an open forum.

I am having difficulty penetrating this argument. Like the vast majority of discussion here it is about aesthetics and appreciation. Do we have any examples of anyone outside of this forum ( or VLJ) appreciating stitch count?

Sir Jacket · Nov 2, 2016

The Canuck is the bee's balls when it comes to that kind of coat style, I believe. Cooler than the comparable Aero offering somehow. Am thinking of buying one but would have to sell another child.

I suspect they will come down in price when Himel achieves better economy of scale.

Still, I don't like the exposed lining on the collar. Odd: a bit like white collars on pink shirts. Perhaps rather naff, as one says in Angleterre.

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