Suit without a tie...

scottyrocks · Mar 11, 2018

Stanley Doble said:
What about this dude? At least he is wearing a tie with his suit jacket.

And then there are people who things differently just to be different. As far as what he thinks of how he looks - who knows?!

GHT · Mar 12, 2018

Hal said:
I am sorry, but I am quite unable to see how adding a jacket to a tieless outfit raises the standard of dress. Is my perception defective?

Sorry, I was jesting. I have standards is a comment that I use to end an argument. Used bluntly like that it implies that I have the moral high ground. As if?

Hal · Mar 12, 2018

GHT said:
Sorry, I was jesting. I have standards is a comment that I use to end an argument. Used bluntly like that it implies that I have the moral high ground. As if?

fair enough! This is where face-to-face conversations excel over writing - jest can be difficult to identify when reading something - it's all too easy to assume everything written is deadly serious.

scottyrocks said:
If I was to say 'I have standards,' I would be talking about my own personal version of them. That's how I took GHT's statement.

Point taken!

GHT · Mar 12, 2018

Hal said:
fair enough! This is where face-to-face conversations excel over writing - jest can be difficult to identify when reading something - it's all too easy to assume everything written is deadly serious.
Point taken!

You're right Hal, there's many an online heated exchange that would never have happened in direct conversation. The written word cannot convey the nuances, the gesticulations and most importantly, the eye contact. I shall have to be more aware in future. But thanks for accepting it in good spirit.

Ivalodgem · May 25, 2021

Well, I do not have anything against wearing a suit without a tie, however it depends on the occasion. If it is a more formal ocassion I think that you have to wear a proper suit with a nice tie, in case it is a less formal meeting, then yeah, you can have a suit without a tie, and it would be ok. Actually, I did not like to wear suits back in the day. The first time when i actually liked a suit, and the way it fits me, it was during my prom. I had a very classy suit from https://www.gentlemansguru.com/product-category/formal-wear/tuxedos/wedding-tuxedos/ , it was one of the best tuxedos that I ever wore.

Peacoat · May 26, 2021

I haven't read all of this thread, but the title alone puts me off. If one is to wear a suit, a tie is a requirement. If one wishes to not wear a tie, then wear a sport coat (blazer) and contrasting trousers with a button down collar shirt (not white) that is open at the throat.

One of our former presidents would wear a dark suit, a white shirt open at the throat with no tie. I cringed whenever I saw that look.

I'm usually not this opinionated about most topics, but this one gets to me.

MisterCairo · Jun 7, 2021

Peacoat said:
I haven't read all of this thread, but the title alone puts me off. If one is to wear a suit, a tie is a requirement. If one wishes to not wear a tie, then wear a sport coat (blazer) and contrasting trousers with a button down collar shirt (not white) that is open at the throat.

One of our former presidents would wear a dark suit, a white shirt open at the throat with no tie. I cringed whenever I saw that look.

I'm usually not this opinionated about most topics, but this one gets to me.

What he said, but I prefer a non-buttoned collar.

Peacoat · Jun 8, 2021

MisterCairo said:
What he said, but I prefer a non-buttoned collar.

The reason I prefer a button down is it is more informal than the non-buttoned collar. For me a non-buttoned collar looks unfinished without a tie.

MisterCairo · Jun 10, 2021

scottyrocks said:
And then there are people who things differently just to be different. As far as what he thinks of how he looks - who knows?!

I have no words...

MisterCairo · Jun 10, 2021

Peacoat said:
The reason I prefer a button down is it is more informal than the non-buttoned collar. For me a non-buttoned collar looks unfinished without a tie.

My dad, c. 1939. He was called up on active service a month later.

I have a restored digital scan and print, but this is right out of the album. Photo is only two inches square.

This is the look I like:

GHT · Jun 10, 2021

MisterCairo said:
My dad, c. 1939. He was called up on active service a month later.

I have a restored digital scan and print, but this is right out of the album. Photo is only two inches square.

This is the look I like:

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Fabulous photo, I love it, but the thread title is: "Suit without a tie..." Youir Dad is not wearing a suit, to me it looks like a sports blazer and trousers, the latter being a different colour to the jacket, which is why your father's "look" is so appealing.

MisterCairo · Jun 10, 2021

GHT said:
Fabulous photo, I love it, but the thread title is: "Suit without a tie..." Youir Dad is not wearing a suit, to me it looks like a sports blazer and trousers, the latter being a different colour to the jacket, which is why your father's "look" is so appealing.

Aware of the thread subject, Peacoat and I were discussing buttoned collars versus unbuttoned, so I posted an example.

I am a fan of the sport coat/trousers look. A suit with shirt (regardless of collar type) and no tie is silly. Even worse in my view - suit, with tie loosened and top button undone. As a look, vice collapsing at the end of a hectic day...

WHY???

MisterCairo · Jun 10, 2021

PS am I dreaming, or does the kisby ring on the boat indicate Poole, Dorset?

GHT · Jun 11, 2021

MisterCairo said:
PS am I dreaming, or does the kisby ring on the boat indicate Poole, Dorset?

It would be good if it was. The word pool doesn't apear to end in an "E." And I just can't quite decipher the top word.

Monte · Feb 2, 2022

Not sure if this is necessarily a suit . . .

Edward · Feb 3, 2022

MisterCairo said:
My dad, c. 1939. He was called up on active service a month later.

I have a restored digital scan and print, but this is right out of the album. Photo is only two inches square.

This is the look I like:

View attachment 340536

Yes, that's what I like too. I've often worn my long-sleeve SJC polos with a blazer like this. I'd be perfectly happy to wear a late 40s / early 50s cut suit, that kind of boxy jacket / proto-pegs silhouette Elvis was doing in 54, with a collar out over it like that. It's a 'night out but one step down from a tie' look that has been common in the rockabilly subculture for a long time (possibly connected in origin to a perception it lets more air circulate in the hot, sweaty jive-dives?).

Your dad had a sharp look: I'd associate this with holiday / resort wear looks from that period.

I think the best way to put it is this is a look I very much like in a more casual context where I wouldn't want to wear a tie, as distinct from it being an alternative to wearing a tie in a situation in which a tie would be my default choice, if that makes sense.

MisterCairo · Feb 3, 2022

Another thing that comes to mind - I am 54 and often get told I dress "old" (fashioned).

My father is 18 years old in that photo.

Edward said:
Yes, that's what I like too. I've often worn my long-sleeve SJC polos with a blazer like this. I'd be perfectly happy to wear a late 40s / early 50s cut suit, that kind of boxy jacket / proto-pegs silhouette Elvis was doing in 54, with a collar out over it like that. It's a 'night out but one step down from a tie' look that has been common in the rockabilly subculture for a long time (possibly connected in origin to a perception it lets more air circulate in the hot, sweaty jive-dives?).

Your dad had a sharp look: I'd associate this with holiday / resort wear looks from that period.

I think the best way to put it is this is a look I very much like in a more casual context where I wouldn't want to wear a tie, as distinct from it being an alternative to wearing a tie in a situation in which a tie would be my default choice, if that makes sense.

Edward · Feb 3, 2022

MisterCairo said:
Another thing that comes to mind - I am 54 and often get told I dress "old" (fashioned).

My father is 18 years old in that photo.

Interesting point. I'm reminded of the other thread currently running at time of posting over in outerwear, about "age appropriate" leather jackets. I've also been told I "dress old" (that, allied to the bald, presumably, has led some in the past to assume I'm actually a good decade older than I actually am....). These things do shift over time: in the 20s, it was the height of youth rebellion to wear wide, grey flannels and a navy blazer; now the man on the street associates that with John who chairs the local rotary club and plays golf.

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