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    Definitely 70s! It's not so much the platform (which actually came around in the 40s, if not late 30s) as the straight-down block heel. Block heels first showed up in the 60s; before then, all heels but the lowest (1" or less) were either angled or curved and tapered to smaller at the ground than at the sole. Block heels and square toes are what characterize many 60s and 70s shoes, actually; they're pretty easy to spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieGirl
    I'm looking at a skirt online that is being described as a 50's Lucille Ball type of skirt. The thing that has me stumped is the knife pleating. The seller has it displayed with a crinoline underneath to full it out. Were knife pleats common in the 50's? They're something I've always associated with the 70's.
    I have seen 1940s ads for Gor-ray fully pleated skirts in England. Quite possibly it was for early 40s before clothes rationing because I don't usually look at post war stuff. I think I might have it in a magazine, so I'll try to see if I can find it and post a pic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Sis
    I have seen 1940s ads for Gor-ray fully pleated skirts in England. Quite possibly it was for early 40s before clothes rationing because I don't usually look at post war stuff. I think I might have it in a magazine, so I'll try to see if I can find it and post a pic.

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    I would love to see those ads. It wouldn't surprise me if they're early or even pre-war; it was pointed out in a thread some time ago that the late 30s styles pretty much flow seamlessly into the so-called New Look of 10 years later. Skirts were getting longer and much fuller, and I do think some in patterns were gathered. I don't remember seeing a pleated one, but that's just memory and what I've seen. Then in the middle of 1940, abruptly hems were at the knee and rather skimpy. Pleated skirts from the war years were popular, but they weren't really very full.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Sis
    I have seen 1940s ads for Gor-ray fully pleated skirts in England. Quite possibly it was for early 40s before clothes rationing because I don't usually look at post war stuff. I think I might have it in a magazine, so I'll try to see if I can find it and post a pic.

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    In Mike Brown's The 50s Look he says pleated skirts were worn all through the 50s. I don't actually know what a knife pleat is though so I am not sure if it is the same thing. And I'm sure he showed pictures of Gor-Ray ads! May have been a British thing though.

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    I just found this handy reference via the magic of google:



    "
    top stitched pleat
    Pleat extending from a series of ornamental stitches on the outside of the fabric.

    accordion pleat
    Set of thin upright pleats of uniform width along the grain of the fabric.

    knife pleat
    Pleat created by a vertical fold pointing in one direction and of constant width.

    kick pleat
    Inverted or flat back pleat at the bottom of a straight skirt, providing greater ease of movement.

    inverted pleat
    Pleat formed by two folds that meet in front and touch on the outside of the fabric, thus forming a hollow in the fabric."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissHannah
    I just found this handy reference via the magic of google:



    "
    top stitched pleat
    Pleat extending from a series of ornamental stitches on the outside of the fabric.

    accordion pleat
    Set of thin upright pleats of uniform width along the grain of the fabric.

    knife pleat
    Pleat created by a vertical fold pointing in one direction and of constant width.

    kick pleat
    Inverted or flat back pleat at the bottom of a straight skirt, providing greater ease of movement.

    inverted pleat
    Pleat formed by two folds that meet in front and touch on the outside of the fabric, thus forming a hollow in the fabric."
    Wonderful! Thank you!

    In which case, I think the 50s pleated skirts I have seen were top-stitched pleats.

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    There's also sunray pleated skirts:


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    And I just found this blog, which refers to sunray/accordian pleats as knife pleats... SO confusing! But has a lovely image of 50s pleating:

    http://coutureallure.blogspot.com/20...ome-sewer.html

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    I'm going vintage-pleating crazy now...




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    Quote Originally Posted by MissHannah
    Oh I want this one!

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