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Seller claims the hat is "pre 1920's Stetson" I agree, it's a Stetson, but not as old as he claims, what say all of you?
Not even close to the 20's. The sweatband doesn't match up and the logos don't match up to that time period. Its an old "style" but thats it. I would say late 60's or early 70's personally.
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Probably '70s or '80s, going by the sweatband. Almost definitely not beaver, either.
It's possible that it's an older hat that had the sweatband replaced, but I'm pretty doubtful.
Agree with Dinerman. Stevens era Stetson sweatband and felt looks more like modern--no evidence that its anything else in available photos.
Last edited by rlk; 05-19-2011 at 09:24 AM.
Glad to see what you fellers have written, because that's pretty much what I wrote to the seller; that the hat is not a pre 1920's, more like a 1970's at the oldest.
The felt doesn't look that old, it just looks dirty, the sweatband is not that old, nor is the way it's stitched into the hat done in the way it was done back in the 20's, and the emblem on the sweatband is not from that period. Also, there is no indication of beaver content on the sweatband, or "No.1 Quality" or any sort of felt designation.
I invited him to do some research here on the FL regarding Stetson liners, labels and sweatbands, but he wrote back firmly stating that he 'knew the history of the hat' and basically blew me off.
I wonder if he was snookered into buying this hat and is now in beaver denial; a mystery of which we'll never know the true tail . . . .
When they fail to accept an offer of clear evidence from experts that their claims are incorrect, I generally take that as a sign that their description is not in error, but a deliberate intent to deceive for a higher than deserved sales price. This is bolstered in this case by his vagueness such as "I was told by a western store owner it was most likely 100 percent beaver but I am not sure" (tries to insinuate pure beaver yet denies responsibility for the comment).
He says he knows the hat's history? (But does not spell it out in the ad). I say he's a Con.
Regards,
T Rick
"It is impossible to travel faster than the speed of light, and certainly not desirable, as one's hat keeps blowing off." Woody Allen
It's good that you guys are out there, saving those who were going to drop five bills on a crap hat, and providing a free service for ebay.
Why not ask a question on the auction page, worded in such a way as to tip off any unsuspecting/gullible bidders.
Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. ~ Antoine de Saint-Exupery
Originally Posted by Tomasso
The question feature on eBay is set up so that the seller controls whether or not to publish the question and their answer. My note to him was via the question box, but he choose not to publish it and his reply to me.
I am not ready to label him a "con" at this point, as he may just have been conned himself and unwilling to accept the fact. As any cowboy knows, you can lead `em to water but you can't make `em think.
I will probably send him a link to this thread and an invitation to him to read it.
Just to pile on, I also sent him a message. He basically told me he is sure that it is from the 1920s because a "hat store" told him it was.
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