I think environment also has a bit to do with it. I live in an orthodox Jewish community where "hat culture" never really went away, and in many cases hat position is situational. On the Sabbath the hat will be worn in the expected position with the brim snapped down, but during the rest of the week the brim will be turned up and the hat cocked further back on the head. These are higher-crown fedoras, most commonly seen with a center crease and side dents of varying depth but almost never an Indy pinch. All basic black.