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    Quote Originally Posted by Renault View Post
    I dunno either! There had to be a loophole found somewhere. Because just like Rathdown said, the High-Standard holsters were on the list. I remember well. I'll try to find out again tomorrow.
    We have enough problem trying to get ATF to give us answers on what does or doesn't constitute "manufacturing".

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    The rule of thumb seems to be that if the gun can quickly be withdrawn from the holster it is legal. If it can't be "quickly" withdrawn, but can still be fired while in the holster, then it's not legal. (Makes about as much sense as the infield fly rule, if you ask me...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rathdown View Post
    Actually, as I recall, we tried this with a couple of revolvers: a Colt Detective Special, a 2-in S&W M and P (aka Model 10) and a .32 S&W Safety Hammerless aka "Lemon Squeezer". The autos were a 1908 Colt pocket auto, a Mod. 1934 Beretta, and an FN "Baby Browning". We avoided any "new guns" and confined ourselves to stuff available pre-war, guns that guys like Cagney and Bogart would have packed.

    One word of advice, though. Be mindful of how you grip the automatics when firing them from inside the purse as the slide can come back and bite you if you aren't careful.
    Thanks for the additional parameters.

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    Well,,,,, all I can say is coat pockets will be next on the NFA hit list of prohibited items......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rathdown View Post
    The rule of thumb seems to be that if the gun can quickly be withdrawn from the holster it is legal. If it can't be "quickly" withdrawn, but can still be fired while in the holster, then it's not legal. (Makes about as much sense as the infield fly rule, if you ask me...)
    Ah Rathdown, at least I understand the infield fly rule, but the "reasoning" behind government... Compared to that I understand Women.

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    Actually, considering the circumstances during which one would be forced to fire from a coat pocket or purse, why does it need to be more than one shot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Story View Post
    Actually, considering the circumstances during which one would be forced to fire from a coat pocket or purse, why does it need to be more than one shot?
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    The only time I ever fired at someone was with a 9mm Ruger. I missed. The target left the scene. Fast. I was very relieved. .45 would have had the exact same effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TM View Post
    The only time I ever fired at someone was with a 9mm Ruger. I missed. The target left the scene. Fast. I was very relieved. .45 would have had the exact same effect.
    When the you know what hits the fan it's hits that count the most. Hiowever the bad guy fleeing is pretty good. (Unless you were supposed to catch them.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rathdown View Post
    I think "wallet guns" are prohibited by federal law; as I recall, Hi-Standard offered their two shot .22/.22Mag with a wallet holster, but ran afoul of an obscure (aren't they all) federal law prohibiting them. Maybe Renault can shed more light on them?
    They're not prohibited. They fall under the classification of "any other weapon" as defined in 26 USC §5845(e): "[t]he term 'any other weapon' means any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive . . . ." Pistols and revolvers are subsequently categorically excluded from this definition, however.

    But, look at a couple examples:

    and


    Note that the firearm itself cannot be "readily" drawn from the holder, but can be fired. The ATF is a little vague on whether that distinguishes these holders from a traditional wallet-style holster with a hold over the trigger. Per their guidance, the above are "Any Other Weapon with firearm[.]"

    Regardless of whether the holster needs be enclosed, the transfer tax is only $5, and that is only levied if the holster is transferred with a firearm. The manufacturing tax is $200, however, and it is entirely possible that the ATF considers the placing of a firearm into such a holster to be "manufacturing." Indeed, merely possessing both at the same time probably qualifies, given how they deal with sub-16" barrels and autosears.

    But they aren't illegal.

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    I have carried a P95 everyday for several years and love it. It is a workhorse of a pistol. I have never had any problems with it. Which gun did you go with?

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