but a back protector may save your spine and the elbow/shoulder armor may help prevent a break and disperse the impact into a more of a roll off/slide than "crunch". i've been a victim of a hit and run while riding my bicycle -- going 27mph and had to be helicoptered to ucla's er. also gone down on a motorized 2 wheeler a couple times (1 armored, 1 not). riding the bicycle, the helmet saved my skull and life, but the rest of me in skimpy cycling gear was severely beat up (knee, ribs fx, lots of stitches/road rash). let's just say i'm a believer good protection makes a big difference.
so at 50 mph, instead of nothing will really help, i think besides counting on luck, something's can potentially help and prevent catastrophe.
anyways, not intended to be a rant. just want folks to be safe and here's to none of us needing to test either theory. would break our hearts to hear about any gorgeous aero/lost world/langlitz/schott jacket getting torn up ;-)
I don't have an issue with people who wear all the gear each an every time at all, wear what you want, ride what you want, that's the beauty of riding, the freedom and you should be confident and comfortable when you get on the bike. I've never made fun of what people wear or what they ride, me saying I would rather be wrenching on my Harley than riding a Honda isn't dogging the Honda I'm sure it's a fine bike just not one I would ride, I'm sure those full suits are quite functional just not something I would wear on the bike. I've been down before and the heavy leather did me well, I do wear a DOT helmet because I live in a helmet state. But I'm not going to lie, many times when I've been in PA (I live 25 miles from the border) it has come off for a bit, it feels awesome.
I think it's all a personal decision and should stay that way, once we go the legislation route it doesn't end until people realize even with gear motorcycles are still much much more dangerous than other methods of travel and they are banned. Those of us who ride bikes are a tiny minority and legislation can snuff our thing out really really quickly if we start with the higher insurance premiums argument.
OK I did call Vics fugly... I like the power they have and they are beating Harley with standard 103 motors years ago. If they worked on the styling I may give them a look if Harley ever starts moving production overseas.
Last edited by dr.velociraptor; 04-15-2012 at 07:49 PM.
In 1992, I rode to the LA City Hall with a bunch of guys that were going to speak at the rally against the helmet law. I went with Billy Idol, Dwight Yokam, Otto Felix, and some other fellas. I was asked to join them on the ride/rally because I wrote a piece foe the UCLA Bruin newspaper against the helmet law(s). I have never ridden sans helmet, but my piece basically detailed all of the other ways people die and get mangled doing other more common things like riding bicycles, riding horseback, etc. etc. and in larger numbers. I think adults should be allowed the choice, period. But I also agree with having to have adequate insurance to ride and higher coverage if you choose not to use a lid.
when we got there, we pulled up and I was the only guy in the group on a sports bike, AND wearing a lid. At this point, many bikers approach due to the star quotient of the group. A (sorry to say) picture-perfect H-D caricature from the 70’s, missing teeth and all proceeded to chastise me for wearing a lid. "Whar the f*** are you doing here with THAT THING?" he asked/yelled. I replied "I am here supporting your right to NOT wear a lid, fool". He stopped, dazed and thunk it over for a few seconds..."Cool man - I get it!”. I nodded and the guys all laughed as we went up to the City Hall steps...
So, I don't care what you do - as long as I don't have to pay your medical/funeral expenses.
Ride safe, no matter what your mark.
Goat is typically a more comfortable hide than heavy steerhide or horsehide. Two advantages I see are that you can get specify a closer fit without sacrificing comfort and you'll be more likely to wear the jacket than hang it on the bars or put in the saddlebag.
i'm definitely for the freedom to choose. kudos to butte to support that freedom at a rally
on a nice day it's fun to cruise around the neighborhood on my bicycle without a helmet... but if i'm with the little ones, they definitely have theirs and i have mine to set the example.
back to topic, anyone heard or have an ibex goatskin jacket? there's one on eBay. good quality?
Aero goat is very thick and tough yet thinner than the heavy horse/steer. It makes it more comfortable for riding. However, I've seen very thin goat hide on other jackets. I find the goat is a very dense hide. Rain doesnt permeate as easily.
I look on eBay for vintage goatskin jackets and can't find many. I concluded either goatskin wasn't a popular leather in the old days or it didn't last the way horsehide did. Maybe I'm wrong:
Last edited by Joel Shapiro; 04-17-2012 at 08:57 AM.
In the end, even a goat jacket is better than none. And out here in Cali, it's sad to see all the kids wearing no gear 'cause you know someday, they'll pay the price.