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along with the rapidly increasing of new people joining the Lounge.....
maybe the bartenders and a few knowledgeable Loungers that reguarly give help, advice and guidance to fellow Loungers and newbies should put together a "FL Hat Glossary" sticky thread.
So that everyone could be on the same page as to the terminology used on the Lounge.
Just an off-topic thought.......
Last edited by Mystic; 06-26-2012 at 06:47 AM.
My favourite straw has a simple homburg centre-dent, and though it looks like it has a lot of crown the inside just barely touches my hair.
Feel younger than you look, and
Act younger than you feel.
The challenge in replicating straws is that their finished creases (or bashes, or whatever you wanna call 'em) are defined by the shaped blocks on which they are formed. The crease is pressed into them, on the block, with a corresponding piece called a tipper.
I've said it before, but it bears repeating ...
The repertoire of a custom hatter working in straws is limited by his blocks. He may be able to make a hat with a crown shape you really dig, but maybe he can't make a lookalike hat for you because he has that particular block only in a size three sizes removed from yours. While there are little tricks to go up or down a size or so, he can't make a size 7 3/4 hat on a 7 1/4 block.
He is also limited by what the straw bodies give him to work with. They are only so big (or small). Sometimes he just can't get a customer as much (or as little) brim width as he wants, along with so much (or little) crown height. This is especially troublesome on either end of the size scale.
But that's all part of what's cool about straws, though, especially the ones coming out of small custom hat shops. The bodies are woven by hand by Ecuadorian villagers, so no two are quite identical, and then the hat finisher (aka hatter) is often working with blocks and flanges pushing 100 years old, in styles that nothing made in more recent times quite replicates. So the guy who ends up with such a hat atop his head can be absolutely confident he won't see its twin on his sunny day trip to the horse track.
I have to say you explain so very much, tonyb, and in looking at straws or panama hats, there are some that may look alike but as you say would not be exact. I have wanted to have a custom panama or straw hat to be made like a style Frank Sinatra wore, real 1950's looking (similar to a production hat called the Bishop) but with more height to it, in a color that is natural straw (non white) sand. The real question would be, if a hat maker would be able to bring the crown up a bit on a block to increase the height?
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Last edited by tonyb; 06-26-2012 at 08:28 PM.