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    Quote Originally Posted by Shangas View Post
    Japanese aggression in the Pacific before 1941 is often forgotten and glossed over by Western historians in my opinion.
    Why do you think Western historians forget about it? That's the second Sino-Japanese War and its background since the Mukden Incident in 1931
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    OP: The search engine is your friend. We've got a 12-07-1941 thread going back at least six or seven years...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zemke Fan View Post
    OP: The search engine is your friend. We've got a 12-07-1941 thread going back at least six or seven years...
    Are you implying we should use the same thread for an event that happens every year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zemke Fan View Post
    OP: The search engine is your friend. We've got a 12-07-1941 thread going back at least six or seven years...
    Er...really?
    I don't care to search for a past years Holiday thread either. Guess I just don't see the point of adding all subjects to specific long threads . Maybe I should....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aerojoe View Post
    Why do you think Western historians forget about it? That's the second Sino-Japanese War and its background since the Mukden Incident in 1931
    The reality of Japan as a relentless genocidal aggressor from 1931 on doesn't fit in well with the desire by many today to paint Japan purely as a victim of the events of 1945. Ten million dead Chinese and Korean civilians would disagree with that position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LizzieMaine View Post
    The reality of Japan as a relentless genocidal aggressor from 1931 on doesn't fit in well with the desire by many today to paint Japan purely as a victim of the events of 1945. Ten million dead Chinese and Korean civilians would disagree with that position.
    Again I think Lizzie is correct. It's historical whitewashing. They ain't interested in events that don't support their views, or which would paint their views in a bad light or cause controversy.

    The fact is, whether we want to believe it or not, the Japs were decimating Asia for nearly 20 years before they were stopped in 1945.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LizzieMaine View Post
    The reality of Japan as a relentless genocidal aggressor from 1931 on doesn't fit in well with the desire by many today to paint Japan purely as a victim of the events of 1945. Ten million dead Chinese and Korean civilians would disagree with that position.
    Hi Lizzie

    Oddly enough one reason for the Japanese aggression was an earlier 1920'a I believe, peace and economy movement. The Japanese had a Prime Minister who managed to cut spending even in the Army and Navy. This was sometime after WW1 I believe. Somewhere between 20% and 50% of the Japanese officers were jobless. Like the US, they offered Government jobs to their veterans. Many 30 plus year old Japanese officers became Grade school, junior high and high school teachers, who were big on Physical Education, Marching, and the Code of Bushido. I'll see if I can work out the book but I'm not holding my breath.

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    Didnt have time to log on the other day but Im here today,a day late as usual. Anyway I went to a meeting of WW2 vets and listened to a Navy medic tell his story.He was on the Arizona when it got hit and was blown into the water.After he recovered he went on to be a medic with the Marines and made 5 landings with them. He sure seen some bad stuff happen. Im so grateful to all the men like him that served during the War.

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    Betty McIntosh’s account of the attack on Pearl Harbor went unpublished until today. Now 97, she’s still sharp as a whip and speaks to The Fold’s Brook Silva-Braga about what she remembers from that infamous day and her later work as a wartime spy.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...9c5_story.html

    Bombs were still dropping over the city as ambulances screamed off into the heart of the destruction. The drivers were blood-sodden when they returned, with stories of streets ripped up, houses burned, twisted shrapnel and charred bodies of children.

    In the morgue, the bodies were laid on slabs in the grotesque positions in which they had died. Fear contorted their faces. Their clothes were blue-black from incendiary bombs. One little girl in a red sweater, barefoot, still clutched a piece of jump-rope in her hand.


    I talked with evacuees. From Hickam, a nurse who had dropped to the floor in the hospital kitchen as machine gun bullets dotted a neat row of holes directly above her; from Schofield, a woman who wanted me to send word to her sweetheart “somewhere in Honolulu” that she was still alive; from Pearl Harbor, a nurse who wanted scraps of paper and pencil stubs to give to the boys in the hospital who had last messages they wanted sent home; a little girl named Theda who had a big doll named Nancy and who told me in a quiet voice that “Daddy was killed at Hickam.”
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