Borsalino's NOT to buy!

Mycroft · 03-01-2005, 03:27 PM

Thank you for the heads up and for looking out for us "amatures" (offence to anyone).

Matt Deckard · 03-01-2005, 03:33 PM

I posted earlier about these Borsalinos. You can see them at Brooks Brothers. They are crap. I think I have been blowing this whistle since before the Fedora Lounge began; Modern Borsalino hats are very cheesy and cheaply made. The felt is very low quality and turns to mush when rain hits. I don't know what type of Beaver they took their fur from, though I am pretty sure the creature is shaggy and malnurished and of a breed that shouldn't breed.

jamespowers · 03-01-2005, 03:33 PM

I saw that hat and nearly died laughing.

You are quite right fedoralover. They stink. The color will probably run the first time it gets rained on.

Regards to all,

J

Mycroft · 03-01-2005, 03:37 PM

Cheesy stuff at Brookes Brothers...NO WAY!! (read in a voice of sarcasim).

jamespowers · 03-01-2005, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Deckard

The felt is very low quality and turns to mush when rain hits. I don't know what type of Beaver they took their fur from, though I am pretty sure the creature is shaggy and malnurished and of a breed that shouldn't breed.

Probably from Wharf Rats and stray cats.

Mycroft · 03-01-2005, 03:47 PM

Thats where that smell in Brooks Brother's comes from...just kidding.

fedoralover · 03-01-2005, 03:56 PM

I know this has been discussed here before at length, but there are so many new people logging on here that when I see ones like these come up I feel that maybe a newbie could be taken in by the comparative low ebay price.

There are a couple others on ebay right now that are in the same boat, or should I say the same "cheap seats". The sellers are trying to rely on the name to hawk a now cheaply made hat. A few years ago I almost pitched for one of these and then I saw some in person and also the reports started coming in from other owners. I'm glad I didn't waste my money.

fedoralover

Mycroft · 03-01-2005, 04:03 PM

Good catch, from what you have been telling us about their quailty (should that word be even used).

jamespowers · 03-01-2005, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mycroft

quailty (should that word be even used).

NO!

Regards to all,

J

Mycroft · 03-01-2005, 07:13 PM

I am glad you agree.

Johnnysan · 03-02-2005, 07:30 AM

Well, fellas...it's confession time. I was one of those newbies that got snagged on eBay and bought one of these Borsalenos. I'm certain it isn't the exact hat that is being listed now, but definitely a newer Borso.

I agree that the quality of the felt is not up to what I expected from the Borsaleno name...my late Italian grandfather wore many Borsos in his day and swore by them. I was hoping for the same experience. The hat I picked up was listed as a brand new "display" model and I got it for $80. I was looking around for a reasonably decent everyday hat for less than $125 and this one fit the bill.

After receiving it, it was obvious that it had not been properly cared for and was in need of some work. This is one of the hats I took to Levine's in St. Louis that was the subject of a previous post of mine. After they trimmed the brim down a bit, steamed and shaped it and replaced the sweatband (it was badly puckered), it looks great. The refurbish work ran about $45.

For the price I paid, I'm pleased, but I agree that the $159 starting bid for the one I just saw listed on eBay is too steep for what you'll get. Most of my hats are vintage that I have salvaged from local antique shops, so I have to admit that I like to pick up my hats on the cheap whenever possible. Sadly, I have found there aren't many new hats out there in the $100-200 price range that are of decent quality. The last one I found was a very nice Biltmore that I bought new about ten years ago for $125.

All said, if I could do it again for what I've got in it...I would. But if the cost were at or near the $150 mark, I'd keep shopping and probably would have looked at one of the Knox hats at Levine's. Cheers!

jamespowers · 03-02-2005, 10:21 AM

Well, we all live and learn.

Fortunately you learned fast and it was fixable.

Regards to all,

J

LadyPowers · 03-05-2005, 02:23 AM

Modern Borsalinos are manufactured with Australian Wild Rabbit, Hare, and Rabbit. I held a modern Borsalino and had a good laugh. The quality of the felt was not very good, nor was it dense. I am biased since I own vintage Borsalino fedoras.

Regards,

Lady Powers

03-01-2005, 03:27 PM	#1
Mycroft Call Me a Cab Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Florida, U.S.A. for now Posts: 2,006	Thank you for the heads up and for looking out for us "amatures" (offence to anyone). __________________ Member of Dumpster Divers International Since 2006 Last edited by Mycroft : 03-01-2005 at 03:29 PM.

03-01-2005, 03:33 PM	#2
Matt Deckard Bartender Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: A devout capitalist in Rosemead CA. Posts: 9,249	I posted earlier about these Borsalinos. You can see them at Brooks Brothers. They are crap. I think I have been blowing this whistle since before the Fedora Lounge began; Modern Borsalino hats are very cheesy and cheaply made. The felt is very low quality and turns to mush when rain hits. I don't know what type of Beaver they took their fur from, though I am pretty sure the creature is shaggy and malnurished and of a breed that shouldn't breed. __________________ Matt Deckard Apparel Deckard's Guide Looking for my Betty Hutton. END OF LINE

03-01-2005, 03:33 PM	#3
jamespowers Bartender Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Bay Area, Ca Posts: 17,865	I saw that hat and nearly died laughing. You are quite right fedoralover. They stink. The color will probably run the first time it gets rained on. Regards to all, J __________________ People think they are so rebellious and original, when really they are just banal, boring and dumb.

03-01-2005, 03:37 PM	#4
Mycroft Call Me a Cab Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Florida, U.S.A. for now Posts: 2,006	Cheesy stuff at Brookes Brothers...NO WAY!! (read in a voice of sarcasim). __________________ Member of Dumpster Divers International Since 2006

03-01-2005, 03:47 PM	#6
Mycroft Call Me a Cab Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Florida, U.S.A. for now Posts: 2,006	Thats where that smell in Brooks Brother's comes from...just kidding. __________________ Member of Dumpster Divers International Since 2006

03-01-2005, 03:56 PM	#7
fedoralover One Too Many Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Great Northwest Posts: 1,423	I know this has been discussed here before at length, but there are so many new people logging on here that when I see ones like these come up I feel that maybe a newbie could be taken in by the comparative low ebay price. There are a couple others on ebay right now that are in the same boat, or should I say the same "cheap seats". The sellers are trying to rely on the name to hawk a now cheaply made hat. A few years ago I almost pitched for one of these and then I saw some in person and also the reports started coming in from other owners. I'm glad I didn't waste my money. fedoralover

03-01-2005, 04:03 PM	#8
Mycroft Call Me a Cab Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Florida, U.S.A. for now Posts: 2,006	Good catch, from what you have been telling us about their quailty (should that word be even used). __________________ Member of Dumpster Divers International Since 2006

03-01-2005, 07:13 PM	#10
Mycroft Call Me a Cab Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Florida, U.S.A. for now Posts: 2,006	I am glad you agree. __________________ Member of Dumpster Divers International Since 2006

03-02-2005, 07:30 AM	#11
Johnnysan One Too Many Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 1,087	OOPS... Well, fellas...it's confession time. I was one of those newbies that got snagged on eBay and bought one of these Borsalenos. I'm certain it isn't the exact hat that is being listed now, but definitely a newer Borso. I agree that the quality of the felt is not up to what I expected from the Borsaleno name...my late Italian grandfather wore many Borsos in his day and swore by them. I was hoping for the same experience. The hat I picked up was listed as a brand new "display" model and I got it for $80. I was looking around for a reasonably decent everyday hat for less than $125 and this one fit the bill. After receiving it, it was obvious that it had not been properly cared for and was in need of some work. This is one of the hats I took to Levine's in St. Louis that was the subject of a previous post of mine. After they trimmed the brim down a bit, steamed and shaped it and replaced the sweatband (it was badly puckered), it looks great. The refurbish work ran about $45. For the price I paid, I'm pleased, but I agree that the $159 starting bid for the one I just saw listed on eBay is too steep for what you'll get. Most of my hats are vintage that I have salvaged from local antique shops, so I have to admit that I like to pick up my hats on the cheap whenever possible. Sadly, I have found there aren't many new hats out there in the $100-200 price range that are of decent quality. The last one I found was a very nice Biltmore that I bought new about ten years ago for $125. All said, if I could do it again for what I've got in it...I would. But if the cost were at or near the $150 mark, I'd keep shopping and probably would have looked at one of the Knox hats at Levine's. Cheers! __________________ "Who needs hair when you've got a sweet hat?"

03-02-2005, 10:21 AM	#12
jamespowers Bartender Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Bay Area, Ca Posts: 17,865	Well, we all live and learn. Fortunately you learned fast and it was fixable. Regards to all, J __________________ People think they are so rebellious and original, when really they are just banal, boring and dumb.

03-05-2005, 02:23 AM	#13
LadyPowers Familiar Face Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bay Area Posts: 66	Modern Borsalinos are manufactured with Australian Wild Rabbit, Hare, and Rabbit. I held a modern Borsalino and had a good laugh. The quality of the felt was not very good, nor was it dense. I am biased since I own vintage Borsalino fedoras. Regards, Lady Powers

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