Sinatra

Matt Deckard · 12-29-2004, 08:33 AM

1940

Cabinetman · 12-29-2004, 10:57 AM

That's the first time I've seen him in suspenders. Then again, it may be that all the early shots I have are with a jacket on. And the hat...again, the first of this vintage that I have seen him wear one. Interesting. He does look 25 here, but it's not quite him, somehow.

You sure it's him? (said with a smile, with no malice)

Matt Deckard · 12-29-2004, 11:25 AM

Used to this I take it?

1942

Cabinetman · 12-29-2004, 11:34 AM

Exactly. I know that one well. Have it in two or three places.

Hey, was there a narrative or caption to go along with that 1940 shot? What was Frankie doing? Well, talking on the phone, yes. Anything else to go with it?

Matt Deckard · 12-29-2004, 11:41 AM

A young Frank Sinatra making a telephone call on the set of the film 'Step Lively'.

Cabinetman · 12-29-2004, 11:49 AM

Very good...thanks!

So, being on the movie set, this is probably his costume, which explains and answers my previous curiosity.

Thanks again.

Cab

Matt Deckard · 12-29-2004, 02:53 PM

Notice the suspender buttons on the outside.

Cabinetman · 12-29-2004, 04:17 PM

Right. On the outside. This is not typical of a 1940 suit, is it? I believe my 1940 has them on the inside. But then are the ones at the rear on the outside?

Also, isn't it typical to have two buttons per side on the front and one per side on the back? Or is it the other way around?

I appreciate the discussion.

Cab

Matt Deckard · 12-30-2004, 12:45 AM

Suspender button placement is prefference of the owner. There were several styles going around in th 40's. You will find more pairs with suspender buttons on the inside. You see alot of pants from then with the front buttons on the inside and rear buttons on the outside, though all of them being on the outside is not too rare.

Point of interest. Some men wore their suspenders over their swearter and some wore them under.

MK · 12-30-2004, 01:03 AM

What's a "swearter"?

Bogie1943 · 12-30-2004, 02:21 AM

Hey, fellow Chairman addicts, here is a good book to pick up. It's beyond a book, it's a treasure, indeed, "The Sinatra Treasures" wow wow wow my friends. This was an experience, not only do ya get the book, and what a book, you also get a ton of inserts. Posters, letters, tickets, photo's, you name it. I received this book for Christmas, and was so please with it, a wonder peice to own.

Cabinetman · 12-30-2004, 06:18 AM

I, too, received said "Treasure" for Christmas. Yes, it's good!

A good recommendation, for sure.

Thanks for the buttons discussion, Matt.

Cab

Fuente · 01-03-2005, 01:17 PM

For the Anglophiles amongst Y'all

Suspenders hold up ones hosiery

Braces hold up ones trousers

and

Garters hold up ones sleeves

Kentucky Blues · 01-03-2005, 03:09 PM

you're from the UK, aren't ya?

Matt Deckard · 01-03-2005, 03:30 PM

As an American I wear suspenders to hold my up britches

Forrestal · 01-04-2005, 09:44 AM

I saw Sinatra perform a charity concert at the Kiel Opera House in St. Louis. The year was 1965. I was 14 years old. Also on the bill that night were Dean Martin, Sammy Davis, jr. and Johnny Carson (he was filling in for Joey Bishop who was in Sinatraâ€™s dog house at the time). Count Basie Orchestra with Quincy Jones. My brother and I were the only kids in the building.
Just FYI.
Regards,
Forrestal

Cabinetman · 01-04-2005, 12:14 PM

I foolishly passed on the last available opportunity to see the man at the self-same, then, Kiel Center. Why I didn't go, I will never understand. The tickets were only $25.00 and $50.00. We have spent well beyond that, before and since, for theatre tickets. And we're only a couple hours north of STL. Foolish, foolish boy.

I believe it was the 80th birthday tour or something like that. In any case, like I said, the last opportunity.

(wait a sec...are the Kiel Center - now Savis - and Kiel Opera House different venues?)

Forrestal · 01-04-2005, 03:56 PM

The old Kiel had two venues; Kiel Opera House and Kiel Auditorium.
Acts like the "Rat Packâ€?, Ramsey Lewis, Jimmy Duranty etc. would appear there.

Kiel Auditorium was home to the old St. Louis Hawks of the NBA.

The auditorium was re-built into Savis Center and the Opera House was supposed to be renovated too, but sadly never was.
Regards,
Forrestal

Bogie1943 · 01-07-2005, 12:07 AM

That one detail I love about those era pants, how the fabric continues up above the belt loops, I love it. Once again I wish modern tailors would start making clothes proper.

12-29-2004, 08:33 AM	#1
Matt Deckard Bartender Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: A devout capitalist in Rosemead CA. Posts: 8,624	Sinatra 1940 __________________ Matt Deckard Apparel Deckard's Guide Looking for my Emma Peel. END OF LINE

12-29-2004, 11:25 AM	#3
Matt Deckard Bartender Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: A devout capitalist in Rosemead CA. Posts: 8,624	Used to this I take it? 1942 __________________ Matt Deckard Apparel Deckard's Guide Looking for my Emma Peel. END OF LINE

12-29-2004, 11:41 AM	#5
Matt Deckard Bartender Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: A devout capitalist in Rosemead CA. Posts: 8,624	A young Frank Sinatra making a telephone call on the set of the film 'Step Lively'. __________________ Matt Deckard Apparel Deckard's Guide Looking for my Emma Peel. END OF LINE

12-29-2004, 02:53 PM	#7
Matt Deckard Bartender Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: A devout capitalist in Rosemead CA. Posts: 8,624	Notice the suspender buttons on the outside. __________________ Matt Deckard Apparel Deckard's Guide Looking for my Emma Peel. END OF LINE

12-30-2004, 12:45 AM	#9
Matt Deckard Bartender Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: A devout capitalist in Rosemead CA. Posts: 8,624	Suspender button placement is prefference of the owner. There were several styles going around in th 40's. You will find more pairs with suspender buttons on the inside. You see alot of pants from then with the front buttons on the inside and rear buttons on the outside, though all of them being on the outside is not too rare. Point of interest. Some men wore their suspenders over their swearter and some wore them under. __________________ Matt Deckard Apparel Deckard's Guide Looking for my Emma Peel. END OF LINE

12-29-2004, 10:57 AM	#2
Cabinetman "A" List Customer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 336	That's the first time I've seen him in suspenders. Then again, it may be that all the early shots I have are with a jacket on. And the hat...again, the first of this vintage that I have seen him wear one. Interesting. He does look 25 here, but it's not quite him, somehow. You sure it's him? (said with a smile, with no malice)

12-29-2004, 11:34 AM	#4
Cabinetman "A" List Customer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 336	Exactly. I know that one well. Have it in two or three places. Hey, was there a narrative or caption to go along with that 1940 shot? What was Frankie doing? Well, talking on the phone, yes. Anything else to go with it?

12-29-2004, 11:49 AM	#6
Cabinetman "A" List Customer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 336	Very good...thanks! So, being on the movie set, this is probably his costume, which explains and answers my previous curiosity. Thanks again. Cab

12-29-2004, 04:17 PM	#8
Cabinetman "A" List Customer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 336	Right. On the outside. This is not typical of a 1940 suit, is it? I believe my 1940 has them on the inside. But then are the ones at the rear on the outside? Also, isn't it typical to have two buttons per side on the front and one per side on the back? Or is it the other way around? I appreciate the discussion. Cab

12-30-2004, 01:03 AM	#10
MK The Guy in Charge Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vancouver (not B.C), Washington (not D.C.) Posts: 4,785	? What's a "swearter"? __________________ All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

12-30-2004, 02:21 AM	#11
Bogie1943 Practically Family Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 592	A must have Hey, fellow Chairman addicts, here is a good book to pick up. It's beyond a book, it's a treasure, indeed, "The Sinatra Treasures" wow wow wow my friends. This was an experience, not only do ya get the book, and what a book, you also get a ton of inserts. Posters, letters, tickets, photo's, you name it. I received this book for Christmas, and was so please with it, a wonder peice to own. __________________ Highest Regards, Josh "I stick my neck out for nobody." Out of the Humidor

12-30-2004, 06:18 AM	#12
Cabinetman "A" List Customer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 336	I, too, received said "Treasure" for Christmas. Yes, it's good! A good recommendation, for sure. Thanks for the buttons discussion, Matt. Cab

01-03-2005, 01:17 PM	#13
Fuente Familar Face Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 58	Suspenders For the Anglophiles amongst Y'all Suspenders hold up ones hosiery Braces hold up ones trousers and Garters hold up ones sleeves

01-03-2005, 03:09 PM	#14
Kentucky Blues "A" List Customer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Kentucky Posts: 438	you're from the UK, aren't ya? __________________ High Regards, Daryl When I grow up, I want to be Cary Grant.

01-03-2005, 03:30 PM	#15
Matt Deckard Bartender Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: A devout capitalist in Rosemead CA. Posts: 8,624	As an American I wear suspenders to hold my up britches __________________ Matt Deckard Apparel Deckard's Guide Looking for my Emma Peel. END OF LINE

01-04-2005, 09:44 AM	#16
Forrestal One of the Regulars Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: StLMO Posts: 112	I saw Sinatra perform a charity concert at the Kiel Opera House in St. Louis. The year was 1965. I was 14 years old. Also on the bill that night were Dean Martin, Sammy Davis, jr. and Johnny Carson (he was filling in for Joey Bishop who was in Sinatraâ€™s dog house at the time). Count Basie Orchestra with Quincy Jones. My brother and I were the only kids in the building. Just FYI. Regards, Forrestal __________________ "he was good, he was very, very good"

01-04-2005, 12:14 PM	#17
Cabinetman "A" List Customer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 336	I foolishly passed on the last available opportunity to see the man at the self-same, then, Kiel Center. Why I didn't go, I will never understand. The tickets were only $25.00 and $50.00. We have spent well beyond that, before and since, for theatre tickets. And we're only a couple hours north of STL. Foolish, foolish boy. I believe it was the 80th birthday tour or something like that. In any case, like I said, the last opportunity. (wait a sec...are the Kiel Center - now Savis - and Kiel Opera House different venues?)

01-04-2005, 03:56 PM	#18
Forrestal One of the Regulars Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: StLMO Posts: 112	The old Kiel had two venues; Kiel Opera House and Kiel Auditorium. Acts like the "Rat Packâ€?, Ramsey Lewis, Jimmy Duranty etc. would appear there. Kiel Auditorium was home to the old St. Louis Hawks of the NBA. The auditorium was re-built into Savis Center and the Opera House was supposed to be renovated too, but sadly never was. Regards, Forrestal __________________ "he was good, he was very, very good"

01-07-2005, 12:07 AM	#19
Bogie1943 Practically Family Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 592	Nice Pants... That one detail I love about those era pants, how the fabric continues up above the belt loops, I love it. Once again I wish modern tailors would start making clothes proper. __________________ Highest Regards, Josh "I stick my neck out for nobody." Out of the Humidor

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