Books for the well suited

Matt Deckard · 01-02-2004, 07:07 AM

For starters, these are some of the better books you will find on the subject of clothing and how it should fit.
For those starting out I suggest Clothes and the man.

Dressing the manhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...642082-9823049

Style and the Manhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books

Clothes and the manhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books
The price of this book has gone up since it has been out of print. You can view some of the book online herehttp://www.fashionmall.com/flusser_b...x_current.html This book is very eighties, but it has many style points that remain constant.

Gentlemen: A Timeless Fashionhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books

Some of the books have pictures of well dressed men of the 20's 30's and 40's, unfortunately the design of those clothes is not truly repeated and the new suits shown are very 80's. The major difference other than style is the fit, loose with larger armholes. Suits today are more of a costume than a daily piece of clothing.

I Will have a list of places to find and have made clothes that have that vintage fit and style. I am still studying, and having a few suits made.

Pyroxene · 01-02-2004, 07:50 AM

I want to check out the book on Timeless fashion.

I like Bernhard Roetzel's book Gentleman's Guide: To Grooming and Style . It was a gift from my sister. She found it in the discount bin at a book store.

This year, I gave her the companion book Ladies: A Guide to Fashion and Style.

Pyro.

Matt Deckard · 01-02-2004, 10:41 AM

Quote:

I want to check out the book on Timeless fashion.

You can find it in the bargain area of some bookstores now for about $12.00

Look for a red dust jacket on a big hardcover book

Andykev · 01-02-2004, 06:27 PM

Clothes and the Man..it is a very good book and I intend to share it with my son when he is "interested " in dressing. He's only 11 now. THe book is timeless, not too 80's, it has the basics as to what different fabrics mean, what to wear with what..etc. Maybe my age makes it more suitable for me, but in the business world of suits and meetings, his advice in this book is priceless. I found this out of print book pricey, but it is mint, with crisp fold outs ....the library copy had been butchered!! I hate that.

Andykev · 01-02-2004, 06:45 PM

Thanks Matt, I just ordered the book Dressing the Man....it should be a good companion to my Clothes and the Man.

Andykev · 01-07-2004, 04:54 PM

Clothes and the Man is better than Dressing the Man..I am half way thur the Dressing ...book and it has great photos and advice..but the Clothes and the Man seems more educational, what you would sit down with your young son and tell him about proper dress. I found the first book (Clothes...) better. but I AM GLAD to have both.. The second bood (DRESSING) is more, in my opinion, background info.

Wild Root · 01-11-2004, 12:27 AM

Hey guys, I was reading what has been said and agree that those books are swell, very helpful and I like them a lot. However, one can not for get that they had fashion books in the 30?¢‚Ç¨‚Ñ¢s as well. There is something that can?¢‚Ç¨‚Ñ¢t be beaten then to look in an original Sears or Wards catalog from the 30?¢‚Ç¨‚Ñ¢s or early 40?¢‚Ç¨‚Ñ¢s. You really see the style of fabric that was popular and some of them have fabric swatches in them! I find in those catalogs how it was to be worn, how to ware your hair, and the best way to ware a hat! I?¢‚Ç¨‚Ñ¢m some what of a purest and Matt can testify to that! But, when I need references, I watch a movie from the 30?¢‚Ç¨‚Ñ¢s or look in a magazine or a catalog of the period. All I know is that when I do look at an old Sears catalog I get sick that I can?¢‚Ç¨‚Ñ¢t find a three piece belted back single breasted peaked lapels suit with a 23?¢‚Ç¨? hem on the trousers. Ahhhh, to find a suit like that in my size ?¢‚Ç¨?ìSigh?¢‚Ç¨? Never will happen! I will have to have one made. But don?¢‚Ç¨‚Ñ¢t get me wrong, those books are a grate help and an excellent place to start to learn about the appropriate way clothes are to be worn. I don?¢‚Ç¨‚Ñ¢t know what it is but, I can?¢‚Ç¨‚Ñ¢t stand to ware modern trousers because you can?¢‚Ç¨‚Ñ¢t ware them on your natural waste! They have got to be high wasted or I will not buy them.

Gentle men, it has been a pleasure!

Matt Deckard · 01-21-2006, 03:28 AM

Vintage catalogs and magazines are probably the best refference.

Baron Kurtz · 01-21-2006, 07:44 AM

For information, Esquire's Encyclopaedia of 20th Century men's Fashions. It goes through each season of each year, and tells us what people were wearing in which situation. There are the original esquire illustrations too. If you're rich, a good purchase. If not, copy it.

I think they currently go for about $500. I got it on interlibrary loan and made creative use of copyright laws to copy myself a copy.

bk

scotrace · 01-21-2006, 09:01 AM

Did you employ Mr. Scanner? *hint*

Baron Kurtz · 01-21-2006, 11:29 AM

No, i'm afraid i needed to get Mr X. Erox to help me out on this one (the thing is 700 pages! - alot of scanning time).

bk

01-02-2004, 07:07 AM	#1
Matt Deckard Bartender Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: A devout capitalist in Rosemead CA. Posts: 8,624	Books for the well suited For starters, these are some of the better books you will find on the subject of clothing and how it should fit. For those starting out I suggest Clothes and the man. Dressing the manhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...642082-9823049 Style and the Manhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books Clothes and the manhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books The price of this book has gone up since it has been out of print. You can view some of the book online herehttp://www.fashionmall.com/flusser_b...x_current.html This book is very eighties, but it has many style points that remain constant. Gentlemen: A Timeless Fashionhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books Some of the books have pictures of well dressed men of the 20's 30's and 40's, unfortunately the design of those clothes is not truly repeated and the new suits shown are very 80's. The major difference other than style is the fit, loose with larger armholes. Suits today are more of a costume than a daily piece of clothing. I Will have a list of places to find and have made clothes that have that vintage fit and style. I am still studying, and having a few suits made. __________________ Matt Deckard Apparel Deckard's Guide Looking for my Emma Peel. END OF LINE Last edited by Matt Deckard : 01-02-2004 at 07:31 AM.

01-02-2004, 07:50 AM	#2
Pyroxene One of the Regulars Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Central Texas Posts: 215	I want to check out the book on Timeless fashion. I like Bernhard Roetzel's book Gentleman's Guide: To Grooming and Style . It was a gift from my sister. She found it in the discount bin at a book store. This year, I gave her the companion book Ladies: A Guide to Fashion and Style. Pyro. __________________ The greatest undeveloped territory in the world lies under your hat.

01-02-2004, 06:27 PM	#4
Andykev Bartender Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: SF Bay Area - East Bay Posts: 3,268	I have Clothes and the Man..it is a very good book and I intend to share it with my son when he is "interested " in dressing. He's only 11 now. THe book is timeless, not too 80's, it has the basics as to what different fabrics mean, what to wear with what..etc. Maybe my age makes it more suitable for me, but in the business world of suits and meetings, his advice in this book is priceless. I found this out of print book pricey, but it is mint, with crisp fold outs ....the library copy had been butchered!! I hate that. __________________ "Wadda ya hear, wadda ya say?"

01-02-2004, 06:45 PM	#5
Andykev Bartender Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: SF Bay Area - East Bay Posts: 3,268	THanks Thanks Matt, I just ordered the book Dressing the Man....it should be a good companion to my Clothes and the Man. __________________ "Wadda ya hear, wadda ya say?"

01-07-2004, 04:54 PM	#6
Andykev Bartender Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: SF Bay Area - East Bay Posts: 3,268	I think Clothes and the Man is better than Dressing the Man..I am half way thur the Dressing ...book and it has great photos and advice..but the Clothes and the Man seems more educational, what you would sit down with your young son and tell him about proper dress. I found the first book (Clothes...) better. but I AM GLAD to have both.. The second bood (DRESSING) is more, in my opinion, background info. __________________ "Wadda ya hear, wadda ya say?"

01-11-2004, 12:27 AM	#7
Wild Root Gone Home Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Monrovia California. Posts: 5,590	Hey guys, I was reading what has been said and agree that those books are swell, very helpful and I like them a lot. However, one can not for get that they had fashion books in the 30?¢‚Ç¨‚Ñ¢s as well. There is something that can?¢‚Ç¨‚Ñ¢t be beaten then to look in an original Sears or Wards catalog from the 30?¢‚Ç¨‚Ñ¢s or early 40?¢‚Ç¨‚Ñ¢s. You really see the style of fabric that was popular and some of them have fabric swatches in them! I find in those catalogs how it was to be worn, how to ware your hair, and the best way to ware a hat! I?¢‚Ç¨‚Ñ¢m some what of a purest and Matt can testify to that! But, when I need references, I watch a movie from the 30?¢‚Ç¨‚Ñ¢s or look in a magazine or a catalog of the period. All I know is that when I do look at an old Sears catalog I get sick that I can?¢‚Ç¨‚Ñ¢t find a three piece belted back single breasted peaked lapels suit with a 23?¢‚Ç¨? hem on the trousers. Ahhhh, to find a suit like that in my size ?¢‚Ç¨?ìSigh?¢‚Ç¨? Never will happen! I will have to have one made. But don?¢‚Ç¨‚Ñ¢t get me wrong, those books are a grate help and an excellent place to start to learn about the appropriate way clothes are to be worn. I don?¢‚Ç¨‚Ñ¢t know what it is but, I can?¢‚Ç¨‚Ñ¢t stand to ware modern trousers because you can?¢‚Ç¨‚Ñ¢t ware them on your natural waste! They have got to be high wasted or I will not buy them. Gentle men, it has been a pleasure! __________________ Wrong is wrong even if every one says it's right. Right is right even if every one else says it's wrong. -Hugh Beaumont

01-21-2006, 03:28 AM	#8
Matt Deckard Bartender Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: A devout capitalist in Rosemead CA. Posts: 8,624	Vintage catalogs and magazines are probably the best refference. __________________ Matt Deckard Apparel Deckard's Guide Looking for my Emma Peel. END OF LINE

01-21-2006, 07:44 AM	#9
Baron Kurtz I'll Lock Up Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Land of white van exhaust fumes . . . ineffective congestion charge ville . . . London, UK Posts: 7,260	For information, Esquire's Encyclopaedia of 20th Century men's Fashions. It goes through each season of each year, and tells us what people were wearing in which situation. There are the original esquire illustrations too. If you're rich, a good purchase. If not, copy it. I think they currently go for about $500. I got it on interlibrary loan and made creative use of copyright laws to copy myself a copy. bk __________________ There is but one truly serious philosophical problem, and that is suicide. All the rest . . . comes afterwards. Camus

01-21-2006, 09:01 AM	#10
scotrace Head Bartender Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Dover, OH and Sno, WA and 7 1/2 LO Posts: 10,570	And, pray, Did you employ Mr. Scanner? hint __________________ . A sense of the fundamental decencies is parcelled out unequally at birth. - Fitzgerald .

01-21-2006, 11:29 AM	#11
Baron Kurtz I'll Lock Up Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Land of white van exhaust fumes . . . ineffective congestion charge ville . . . London, UK Posts: 7,260	No, i'm afraid i needed to get Mr X. Erox to help me out on this one (the thing is 700 pages! - alot of scanning time). bk __________________ There is but one truly serious philosophical problem, and that is suicide. All the rest . . . comes afterwards. Camus

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