Zippers - Page 3

Wild Root · 03-02-2006, 10:34 PM

Brother, where have you been the last few months? He's history.

Oh, and can't wait to see those ads!

=WR=

3PieceSuitGuy · 03-02-2006, 11:07 PM

Sorry the middle one is not great, but I think I still have some more so will keep searching

as for Biltmore Bob, saw the new avatar and thought he was back. That avatar is just his sense of humour!

Cheers

Peter

Baron Kurtz · 04-12-2006, 12:08 PM

"Its correct name is Talon slide fastener. It's written on the tab" - so say the Talon ads in the 30s apparel arts. Clearly Talon were sick of people calling it a zip.

Okay ... a new yin fur ye: "Hercules Luster-Chino Sanforized Army Twill. Sears, Roebuck and Co. USA" very old Sears label (poss. 30s).The heavy (appears to be brass) zipper reads "Scovill" and "Gripper Zipper" on the slide pull.

This is on a grey cotton, appears to be gardening-type, very casual jacket. Two angled, flapless waist pockets and one buttoned chest pocket. Pics if interested ...

bk

whoops. I've 'ad one too many!

BellyTank · 04-12-2006, 01:21 PM

'50s, maybe later... Sorry.
Gripper Zippers aren't so very old... I think.
And Scovill isn't as old as Talon.

I tink.
B
T

Baron Kurtz · 04-12-2006, 01:44 PM

Ach, well. 50s workwear ain't too shabby

bk

BellyTank · 04-12-2006, 01:58 PM

I may be wrong... I may be righ-T!

P
I
L

nightandthecity · 06-14-2006, 09:59 AM

OK, calling all fellow ZIPAHOLIC slide fastener anoraks (BT? Alan E?)

Anyone know exactly when the Talon 42 zip was introduced? I know it was in the 1960s but so far I can't find a more precise date.

I am about to list a pair of 1960s cavalry twill pants on ebay and they have a little sales tag referring to "THE NEW" talon 42 zip, so I guess if I can date the introduction of the 42 I can date the pants a little more precisely, which will make them more sellable, which will make me a little bit richer....

Someone on this lounge must know!

BellyTank · 06-14-2006, 10:37 AM

Sorry, not sure about the date of the 42-

Don't be a stranger.

B
T

scotrace · 06-14-2006, 11:06 AM

Blast. I was going to advise "Ask BT."

nightandthecity · 06-16-2006, 03:06 AM

well damn, I thought you might know BT! Actually, I thought I had the date somewhere in one of my Japanese denim books, but if so it's miraculously erased itself..as these things do.

Yep, not been around this bar for a long time. Too busy earning a crust and raising a family etc etc. But I haven't forgotten y'all!!

KittyT · 05-16-2007, 09:34 AM

Hello, everyone. I'm sure this has been covered before in some thread here on the FL, but for the life of me I'm not finding it in the huge lists of results that come up when I search for "metal zipper" or "metal zipper care"...

I'm wondering if there's any way to breathe some extra life into old metal zippers? I have a number of dresses with metal side or back zippers. While the zippers are still in decent shape, they do tend to catch/stick a lot and have started to become increasingly difficult... and I am dreading the day when I ruin a 1940s dress because the zipper has stuck.

Is there anything one can do to maintain a metal zipper or to improve its action? Can/should zippers be oiled/lubricated?

Orgetorix · 05-16-2007, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KittyT

Hello, everyone. I'm sure this has been covered before in some thread here on the FL, but for the life of me I'm not finding it in the huge lists of results that come up when I search for "metal zipper" or "metal zipper care"...

I'm wondering if there's any way to breathe some extra life into old metal zippers? I have a number of dresses with metal side or back zippers. While the zippers are still in decent shape, they do tend to catch/stick a lot and have started to become increasingly difficult... and I am dreading the day when I ruin a 1940s dress because the zipper has stuck.

Is there anything one can do to maintain a metal zipper or to improve its action? Can/should zippers be oiled/lubricated?

You might try running the teeth down a cake of beeswax, like what tailors use to lubricate their needles and thread.

dnjan · 05-16-2007, 10:01 AM

I prefer using the stub of a candle to beeswax. Rub the candle stub on the zipper teeth. (That is what my mother taught me back in the 60's).

Also, sometimes the body of the zipper can become loose, and fail to cause the teeth to properly engage. You can use a pliers to pinch the front and back of the zipper closer together (this also works on nylon zippers).

I don't know about tailors, but as a leatherworker I use beeswax on the needle in order to get better grip with my fingers. I also use the beeswax on the stitching cord, but that is to improve grip on the cord when I tighten the stitches. It also reduces wear on the cord.

KittyT · 05-16-2007, 10:13 AM

Thanks for your help, folks. I did some research online and also found some references to using Singer sewing machine oil. Does anyone have any experience with this?

Orgetorix · 05-16-2007, 10:25 AM

I'd be hesitant to use liquids that could spot or stain the fabric. Seems like the beeswax or candle would be safer--run it down the teeth, then wipe off any excess.

Feraud · 05-25-2007, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BellyTank

'50s, maybe later... Sorry.
Gripper Zippers aren't so very old... I think.
And Scovill isn't as old as Talon.

I tink.
B
T

What is the time frame for the use of Gripper Zippers? I have a suit that uses one and I am trying to get an idea of the date of manufacture.

nightandthecity · 05-25-2007, 10:27 AM

I have seen quite a few trousers I'd date as 1950s with Gripper Zippers...come to think of it I don't think I've seen them on anything other than 50s gear.

Lee Japan uses them on some of their repro denim, which may mean that the brand still exists or may simply mean that Lee has had them copied.

BellyTank · 05-25-2007, 11:11 AM

I would concur-

Late ¬¥50s and up.

The design, manufacture and function of the GRIPPER ZIPPER is much more modern than the '30s and '40s examples we know and love.

B
T

MudInYerEye · 05-25-2007, 07:21 PM

Gripper Zippers were in use from the early 1950's to the early 1970's.

Feraud · 05-25-2007, 08:06 PM

Thanks for the info fellas.
Here is the Gripper Zipper in question.

03-02-2006, 10:34 PM	#41
Wild Root Gone Home Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Monrovia California. Posts: 5,590	Biltmore Bob??? Brother, where have you been the last few months? He's history. Oh, and can't wait to see those ads! =WR= __________________ Wrong is wrong even if every one says it's right. Right is right even if every one else says it's wrong. -Hugh Beaumont

03-02-2006, 11:07 PM	#42
3PieceSuitGuy One of the Regulars Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Newcastle, NSW, Australia Posts: 159	Found em! Sorry the middle one is not great, but I think I still have some more so will keep searching as for Biltmore Bob, saw the new avatar and thought he was back. That avatar is just his sense of humour! Cheers Peter __________________ Life can only be understood backwards. It must be lived forwards.

04-12-2006, 12:08 PM	#43
Baron Kurtz I'll Lock Up Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Land of white van exhaust fumes . . . ineffective congestion charge ville . . . London, UK Posts: 7,294	"Its correct name is Talon slide fastener. It's written on the tab" - so say the Talon ads in the 30s apparel arts. Clearly Talon were sick of people calling it a zip. Okay ... a new yin fur ye: "Hercules Luster-Chino Sanforized Army Twill. Sears, Roebuck and Co. USA" very old Sears label (poss. 30s).The heavy (appears to be brass) zipper reads "Scovill" and "Gripper Zipper" on the slide pull. This is on a grey cotton, appears to be gardening-type, very casual jacket. Two angled, flapless waist pockets and one buttoned chest pocket. Pics if interested ... bk whoops. I've 'ad one too many! __________________ There is but one truly serious philosophical problem, and that is suicide. All the rest . . . comes afterwards. Camus

04-12-2006, 01:21 PM	#44
BellyTank I'll Lock Up Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Scandinavia/Empire, Neighbour of the Beast. Posts: 6,745	'50s, maybe later... Sorry. Gripper Zippers aren't so very old... I think. And Scovill isn't as old as Talon. I tink. B T __________________ Ching-Lo, sweet Harriet

04-12-2006, 01:44 PM	#45
Baron Kurtz I'll Lock Up Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Land of white van exhaust fumes . . . ineffective congestion charge ville . . . London, UK Posts: 7,294	Ach, well. 50s workwear ain't too shabby bk __________________ There is but one truly serious philosophical problem, and that is suicide. All the rest . . . comes afterwards. Camus

04-12-2006, 01:58 PM	#46
BellyTank I'll Lock Up Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Scandinavia/Empire, Neighbour of the Beast. Posts: 6,745	I may be wrong... I may be righ-T! P I L __________________ Ching-Lo, sweet Harriet

06-14-2006, 09:59 AM	#47
nightandthecity Practically Family Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: "...somewhere in England" Posts: 723	TALON 42 ZIPS OK, calling all fellow ZIPAHOLIC slide fastener anoraks (BT? Alan E?) Anyone know exactly when the Talon 42 zip was introduced? I know it was in the 1960s but so far I can't find a more precise date. I am about to list a pair of 1960s cavalry twill pants on ebay and they have a little sales tag referring to "THE NEW" talon 42 zip, so I guess if I can date the introduction of the 42 I can date the pants a little more precisely, which will make them more sellable, which will make me a little bit richer.... Someone on this lounge must know!

06-14-2006, 10:37 AM	#48
BellyTank I'll Lock Up Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Scandinavia/Empire, Neighbour of the Beast. Posts: 6,745	Long time no see... NATC. Sorry, not sure about the date of the 42- Don't be a stranger. B T __________________ Ching-Lo, sweet Harriet

06-14-2006, 11:06 AM	#49
scotrace Head Bartender Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Dover, OH and Sno, WA and 7 1/2 LO Posts: 10,697	. Blast. I was going to advise "Ask BT." __________________ . A sense of the fundamental decencies is parcelled out unequally at birth. - Fitzgerald .

06-16-2006, 03:06 AM	#50
nightandthecity Practically Family Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: "...somewhere in England" Posts: 723	well damn, I thought you might know BT! Actually, I thought I had the date somewhere in one of my Japanese denim books, but if so it's miraculously erased itself..as these things do. Yep, not been around this bar for a long time. Too busy earning a crust and raising a family etc etc. But I haven't forgotten y'all!!

05-16-2007, 09:34 AM	#51
KittyT My Mail is Forwarded Here Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: suburbs of Boston, MA Posts: 3,712	metal zipper care Hello, everyone. I'm sure this has been covered before in some thread here on the FL, but for the life of me I'm not finding it in the huge lists of results that come up when I search for "metal zipper" or "metal zipper care"... I'm wondering if there's any way to breathe some extra life into old metal zippers? I have a number of dresses with metal side or back zippers. While the zippers are still in decent shape, they do tend to catch/stick a lot and have started to become increasingly difficult... and I am dreading the day when I ruin a 1940s dress because the zipper has stuck. Is there anything one can do to maintain a metal zipper or to improve its action? Can/should zippers be oiled/lubricated?

05-16-2007, 10:01 AM	#53
dnjan "A" List Customer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 429	I prefer using the stub of a candle to beeswax. Rub the candle stub on the zipper teeth. (That is what my mother taught me back in the 60's). Also, sometimes the body of the zipper can become loose, and fail to cause the teeth to properly engage. You can use a pliers to pinch the front and back of the zipper closer together (this also works on nylon zippers). I don't know about tailors, but as a leatherworker I use beeswax on the needle in order to get better grip with my fingers. I also use the beeswax on the stitching cord, but that is to improve grip on the cord when I tighten the stitches. It also reduces wear on the cord. __________________ Don Feel younger than you look, and Act younger than you feel.

05-16-2007, 10:13 AM	#54
KittyT My Mail is Forwarded Here Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: suburbs of Boston, MA Posts: 3,712	Thanks for your help, folks. I did some research online and also found some references to using Singer sewing machine oil. Does anyone have any experience with this?

05-16-2007, 10:25 AM	#55
Orgetorix One Too Many Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisville, KY...and I'm a 42R, 7 1/2 Posts: 1,873	I'd be hesitant to use liquids that could spot or stain the fabric. Seems like the beeswax or candle would be safer--run it down the teeth, then wipe off any excess.

05-25-2007, 10:27 AM	#57
nightandthecity Practically Family Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: "...somewhere in England" Posts: 723	I have seen quite a few trousers I'd date as 1950s with Gripper Zippers...come to think of it I don't think I've seen them on anything other than 50s gear. Lee Japan uses them on some of their repro denim, which may mean that the brand still exists or may simply mean that Lee has had them copied.

05-25-2007, 11:11 AM	#58
BellyTank I'll Lock Up Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Scandinavia/Empire, Neighbour of the Beast. Posts: 6,745	I would concur- Late ¬¥50s and up. The design, manufacture and function of the GRIPPER ZIPPER is much more modern than the '30s and '40s examples we know and love. B T __________________ Ching-Lo, sweet Harriet

05-25-2007, 07:21 PM	#59
MudInYerEye Practically Family Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: DOWNTOWN. Posts: 963	Gripper Zippers were in use from the early 1950's to the early 1970's. __________________ Disco sucks.

05-25-2007, 08:06 PM	#60
Feraud Bartender Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hardlucksville, NY Posts: 11,914	Thanks for the info fellas. Here is the Gripper Zipper in question. __________________ Today's dose of .02 cents.

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