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Finally scored a Derby

Discussion in 'Hats' started by cooncatbob, Sep 25, 2007.

  1. cooncatbob

    cooncatbob Practically Family

    Received this today. It was very dusty so I actually had to vacuum it and wipe it down with a damp sponge. It's a little round so it's on the stretcher. Only problem with a black hat and this is my 1st , is it shows all the cat hair, lint and dust.
  2. Very spiffy hat there! Yeah, black hats generally have to be brushed with a lint brush every now and then, but black hats sure are sharp!
  3. COOL HAT!
    You may have to change your name to COOL Cat Bob!lol
  4. Cool hat Coon! I like it!!:eusa_clap


  5. Duck

    Duck Practically Family

    Great looking derby!! The look is fantastic with the shades:eusa_clap :eusa_clap
  6. BJBAmerica

    BJBAmerica A-List Customer

    Cool Bowler......A very English, "To The Manor Born" look....Nice sunglasses, Ray-Ban Wafarers?
  7. Kentucky Blues

    Kentucky Blues A-List Customer

    I like the glasses more than the hat, but then again, I'm called "Blues" For nothing, lol
  8. Nice hat cool cat!lol :D
  9. fatwoul

    fatwoul Practically Family

    Yep, they are a nightmare. Our cat is virtually black, so how do her hairs appear to painfully visible on a black felt hat? :rage: lol
  10. Doh!

    Doh! One Too Many

    Nice! My dad has a derby (or is it a bowler?) that he no longer wears. I might just have to snatch it from him the next time I visit.
  11. The derby looks great on you! Have you considered wearing it with a Navy pea coat?
  12. cooncatbob

    cooncatbob Practically Family

    Samantha's a big grey hair shedding machine, and anytime I wear black it seems to be instantly covered in hair.
  13. Dinerman

    Dinerman Super Moderator Bartender

    Aren't derbies great? What is it?
  14. dog20

    dog20 Familiar Face

    now thats what i call cool
  15. She's so beautiful, though, I'm sure you could forgive her pretty much anything! Keeping a black hat away from cats is always a good idea - mind you, I'd be wanting to keep anything with a fur content well out of kitty's reach anyhow. Years ago my mother had a pair of slippers with fluff on the front. We figured that they must have been rabbit fur as any time one of the cats got near them, he went ape - biting, scratching, trying to fit the entire thing in his mouth.... lol

    Fatwoul, it's likely her sheer feline perversity. Our first cat was black and white, and I'll swear no matter how much he cast, I never found a black hair on a black garment - or white on white. I'm certain cats of more than one colour can selectively shed whichever will contrast the most with the garment it ends up on. But hey, it's that calculated, Maciavellian nature that makes cats lovable, isn't it? ;)

    ETA: I've nevder quite managed to figure out the difference between a bowler and a derby - que es?
  16. cooncatbob

    cooncatbob Practically Family

    It's an unlined Knox. It's got a Knox's coat of arms sticker on the inside crown and the same symbol and "The Fifth Avenue" stamped on the sweat band.
  17. I've three bowlers and intend on buying a Christy's Bowler at some point.

    Edward: I think the difference between Bowler's and Derby's is geography.
  18. Brad Bowers

    Brad Bowers I'll Lock Up

    I know we've had some debate on here about any physical differences between the two hats, or if it's just as case of nomenclature. If anybody's interested, I thought I'd throw in something from my research.

    The following quotation has been attributed to John Cavanagh, who started working for James Knapp sometime in the 1880s, over thirty years after Knapp first produced his derbies. The date I have seen for the first Derby is 1850, the same time as the nascent Bowler. Looks like the style travelled quickly from England, rather than a coincident development. Occam's Razor, and all that.

    "The first derby hat made in America was made by James H. Knapp way back when the Crofut & Knapp concern was known as Knapp & Gilliam. In those days the factory products were sold through jobbing houses, and the jobbing house that Knapp & Gilliam sold their goods through was known as Henderson & Bird.
    "The story is that some one had seen a stiff hat, a good deal of the character of the square crown hats that were afterward worn by coachmen. This hat Knapp & Gilliam made and took to New York to the jobbers, they in turn taking it to a retail outlet then on lower Broadway, in the vicinity of Ninth Street. They placed an order for a dozen and a half each of brown and black. Mr. Knapp asked for a name for the style, because then, as now, most hats were given a name. An English clerk suggested that they call it the ‘Darby,’ as the English Derby was then on. The hat was so named and afterward by a mispronunciation was known as the ‘derby.’"

    If anyone would know the story from Knapp, it would be Cavanagh, who was the best brim curler Knapp had at the time. It was under Knapp's tutelage that Cavanagh became a master hatter.

  19. Thanks, guys. Always helpful to know these terminological differences when it comes to eBay and the likes... (not that I see myself in a bowler/derby anytime soon, but some Halloween I may well finally give in and do the Clockwork Orange costume that's been niggling at me as an idea for a long time. ;) ). :)

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