• Welcome to The Fedora Lounge!

On This Day In History....

Discussion in 'The Reading Room' started by Mike K., Aug 6, 2008.

  1. Don't mean to be off topic,
    but the soundtrack/narration was
    excellent to the events of
    what took place there.
    Not sure which film it was though.
  2. DNO

    DNO One Too Many

    You're probably thinking of Zulu, narrated by Sir Richard Burton. It had a great version of Men of Harlech as well.
  3. DNO

    DNO One Too Many

    Not sure i'll be able to post tomorrow, so just in case:

    March 5th, 1936: the prototype of the Supermarine Spitfire flew for the first time.
  4. Sunday March 6, 1836


    (This was the 175th anniversary memorial issue of March 6, 2011)
  5. DNO

    DNO One Too Many

    On this day, in 1831, the French Foreign Legion was founded. "Beau Geste" was still many years in the future.
  6. DNO

    DNO One Too Many

    It was on this night, March 24-25, 1944 that 76 prisoners of war escaped from Stalag Luft III in Germany, an event later immortalized in the film (and book), The Great Escape.
  7. On March 31, 1958, Chess Records released Chuck Berry's "Johnny B. Goode."
  8. DNO

    DNO One Too Many

    April 1st: The Royal Flying Corps and the Royal Naval Air Service were amalgamated to form the Royal Air Force in 1918.
  9. Could you name a few?
  10. DNO

    DNO One Too Many

    Been a long time since I had an active interest in Victorian military campaigns, with the exception of the second Anglo-Boer War, but I believe Saul David and Katie Stossel lean this way regarding Dalton. I found it interesting that Dalton's V.C. was apparently awarded last...almost as an afterthought.
  11. Doesn't sound very convincing to me I'm afraid! I'll look into their theories, but the idea that a commissary would be able to out lead an infantry and military engineering officer seems incredulous.
    Vevo likes this.
  12. DNO

    DNO One Too Many

    Neither Bromhead nor Chard were the sharpest knives in the drawer...even their contemporaries thought so. Bromhead was almost deaf. Dalton was a retired career sergeant-major, if memory serves me right...just the man for whipping up a quick defence. He certainly didn't get the Victoria Cross for handing out ammunition as portrayed in the film.
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2016
  13. DNO

    DNO One Too Many

    I remember the Thresher incident. It was shocking news for the day and speculation regarding its fate filled a lot of column space.
  14. DNO

    DNO One Too Many

    Yesterday I was updating my Mac's operating system...what an absolute pain...so I missed this one. It's one of my favourites, though, so I'll post it as a 'yesterday in history'!

    12 April 1961: Yuri Gagarin became the first human to venture into space.
  15. DNO

    DNO One Too Many

    Now that the movie is 'old' interest seems to have waned in this event but, regardless:

    1912 April 14th...around 11.40 pm, RMS Titanic collided with an iceberg.
  16. DNO

    DNO One Too Many

    Rejected by the official Salon, a group of artists decided to have their own show in Paris. The group called themselves the 'Anonymous Association of Painters, Sculptors and Engravers' and their show opened April 15th, 1874. Taking his cue from the title of one of the works on display, one Parisian reviewer mockingly called them "Impressionists". It wasn't that long until the name started being used with respect rather than derision.
  17. DNO

    DNO One Too Many

    I dug out some dusty volumes on the Zulu War that I haven’t looked at in years. You might want to have a look at Robert Edgerton’s Like Lions They Fought...a very good history of the war. He quotes a letter from General Sir Henry Ponsonby in which he calls Chard “a dull, heavy man who seemed scarcely even able to do his regular work” and that Bromhead was “brave but hopelessly stupid”. Ponsonby goes on the say that Colonel Evelyn Wood and Colonel Redvers Buller both believed that the defence was really organized by Dalton.
  18. "Believed"?

    I've read many books and papers on the views of senior officers on both Chard and Bromhead. General Wolseley (I parade at Wolseley Barracks, London, Ontario) had a negative view on Chard: a "more uninteresting or more stupid-looking fellow I never saw".

    Key words "uninteresting" (so what?) and stupid LOOKING. Because, of course, one's appearance is the result of personal failure and neglect.

    You will note from the histories as well, I hope, that the officers you and I have noted, along with MANY OTHERS, were "resentful" of the accolades accorded not only to Chard and Bromhead, but to the other leaders, including Dalton, and the men. Wolseley himself had to bite his tongue as he presented Chard with his VC. Wolseley felt (with some justification) that the defence was of course necessarily brutal, as they were essentially rats fighting for survival.

    He forgot, of course, that all bravery is fighting for survival. If the VCs were not justified then, then when?

    Given such well-known resentment, I take the opinions of those that Dalton was the true leader with a large grain of salt.

    No one is suggesting either Chard or Bromhead were naturally brilliant leaders. They acted out of necessity, and all the histories I've read note that the two organized the defences with Dalton's input (everything I've come across, far from minimizing Dalton, note that he was very much involved in the planning - the film minimizes this).

    That they were credible leaders, and brave (the VC is not awarded for cleverness) is beyond question.

    That leaders at the flag/general level are oft resentful of the successes of their subordinates, I have no doubt.

    Sean R.
  19. GHT

    GHT My Mail is Forwarded Here

    Looks didn't seem to hinder Wellington. It is typical of the British aristocracy though. Everything comes down to: Looks, background and breeding.
    What amazed me when I first researched Rorke's Drift, was how close in historical terms it was. Frank Bourne, the Colour Sergeant, portrayed by Nigel Green in the movie, only passed away in May 1945, just ten months before I was born.
    Bourne was just 24 at the time of the battle, Green was in his 40's when the film was made. I've always had an empathy with Bourne, strikes me as a latter day, real life Sharpe.
    MisterCairo likes this.

Share This Page