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Recommended crown height

Discussion in 'Hats' started by r00tuk, Apr 3, 2011.

  1. r00tuk

    r00tuk New in Town

    Greetings fellow hatters!

    Apologies if this has been covered in another thread - which I obviously failed locate - but I am trying to find out if there is a recommended crown height in relation to person height, face type or occasion? What is the generally accepted as too high or low, or is it a matter of getting used to it over time? Is there a measurement range for low, medium and high category crowns?

    I am wearing my Fed IV with a tear drop bash with a front crown height of 10cm (4 inches) and I am 6ft tall. I changed it to a centre crease but could not get the crown lower than 12.5 cm so went back to the tear drop. Anymore than 10cm, I think it begins to look and feel like too much hat, but that could just be me being relatively new to wearing them.

    I have seen the www.felthats.com - Choosing Hat Style page but does not provide specific measurements ranges for crowns.

    Thanks in advance for your opinions.
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2011
  2. The symmetry of your facial shape below the brim should be in proportion to what is going on above the brim according to 1 article I've read. The distance to your jawline & chin should be balanced by the crown height. Some prefer taller crowns but how you think it looks in the mirror is the key, JMHO....
  3. You may want to experiment over time with this hat.

    When I got my first Fed IV, I creased it to be about as tall as possible. Over time, I decided that it was too tall and lowered it a touch. The nice thing about these hats is that they can be recreased as many times as desired.

    Until you are pretty sure what you want, dont put sharp creases into it, though, because those are more difficult to get completely out than shallower, less sharp creases.
  4. r00tuk

    r00tuk New in Town

    Thanks! That explanation does help ... err; then I thought hang-on! Did you mean measure the jawline to chin, ie. from below the ear to the centre of the chin, or was it a vertical measurement from chin to where the brim lines up around the eye brows?

    For my wife and myself, the 10cm crown height suites me but we don't see anybody else wearing boxy fedora/trilby crowns where I live: only tapered ones with stingy brims. If I measure as described above, then I could go for a centre crease which results in a taller crown. There is probably an element of conservatism on my part that makes me look in the mirror and think it does not suite, but given some time to get used to it would probably do the trick.
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  5. Discussions of aesthetics often morph into nature v. nurture debates -- do we like these particular proportions because they appeal to something innately human, or do they appeal to us because we've grown accustomed to them and have therefore deemed them "right"? -- debates which have yet to be satisfactorily resolved. Not that it really matters, though. As gtdean48 observed, what you see in the mirror is what counts. Many a fellow here tells of once believing he'd never wear a hat with a brim under (or over) 2 1/2 inches, say, or a crown shorter (or taller) than X number of inches, but then he found a hat at a vintage expo that violated one or the other or both of those criteria and he grew accustomed to the look of it atop his head and now it's his most-worn hat.
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  6. I once read that the crown height of your hat should be the same as the distance from your chin to your eyes.
  7. danofarlington

    danofarlington My Mail is Forwarded Here

    To get used to the look of high-crowned hats, you might peruse the website or Google "Stetson" anything on The Fedora Lounge, to see how they look. The vintage Stetson Open Road model hat, the kind most commonly seen here, is a high-crowned hat. The Akubra Campdraft is the same. Seeing them worn by a number of different people can help you decide whether it's for you or not. It think high crowns can work on a majority of men, but it's true you have to get used to them.
  8. fmw

    fmw One Too Many

    Don't get all tangled up in this stuff. Crown height is simply a matter of personal preference. There is no right or wrong. Just different looks. Personally, I prefer low crowns. I'm in a minority. Nevertheless, I'm going to continue to prefer low crowns.

    Having said that, in my avatar you can see me wearing my favorite hat which has a high straight sided crown. Go figure. Like I said, there is no right or wrong. ;)
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2011
  9. r00tuk

    r00tuk New in Town

    Thanks for the feedback everyone which has all been useful. I reckon I could get away with a slightly taller crown without me looking odd to someone in the street. Back to the kettle and a bit of re-bashing!

  10. Will add this since I have a math degree = appealing looks have a numerical relationship & a symmetry to them. Look up the Golden Ratio = phi.
    Balance is initially pleasing so above the brim/below the brim balancing is probably based on the concept. That is what a lot of the facial shape stuff is about as well.
    Your facial shape impacts the height of the crown, the degree of the pinch, etc.
  11. Although it largely depends on the hat, I'm generally not a fan of high crowns, being somewhere 4 5/8 or 4 3/4 inches and over when creased up top. For me it's more of a matter of it looking too big. I do agree with your 4 inch preference. That seems to look the best on me, and it's something I think works for most hat-wearers too. You don't actually want to get any lower than that unless you're looking for a porkpie, though...
  12. With most hats I actually prefer my crowns to be in the 4 3/4 - 5" range (diamond creased, of course... ;)). I absolutely detest crowns on me that are lower than 4 3/4, especially if the brim happens to be on the wi(l)de side. In a nutshell, I'm increasingly gravitating towards the 1920's/1930's style of hats with a relatively narrow brim and a good beefy crown.
  13. EggHead

    EggHead Practically Family

    Have your wife take some pictures of you from various angles. This will tell you how you look to other people.
    I find that what I see in the mirror, does not always look the same from further away.
    Mirrors do lie!! :)
  14. Of course they do! I've had mine custom-made for a whole lot of dough just so it tells me sweet little lies as soon as I look into it...! :D

    Honestly, though - I've seen enough photos of myself to have a pretty good idea of what suits me and what not.
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  15. Interesting since your eyes are in the middle of your head (discounting additional height from your hair). That implies that crown height should be half the height of your head. I guess it makes sense.
  16. Head shape can dictate crown higth to certain degree. I think the back of my head is a little taller then the front, and because of that, I prefer a taller crown espacally if it's in a cattleman's crease, because the low crown cowboy hats so popular today, sit too high on my head, so If I get a low crowned hat, I have to re=bash it into a teardrop or Gus crease, anything but a Cattleman's crease, unless the hat has a fairly tall crown.

    I can't wear a modern Open Road at all. Mine is a little older with a slightly taller crown, which I could have probably left in the Cattleman's crease, but I changed it to a teardrop, however, I could not give it a lot of rake, where some some of my Cowboy conversions with tall crowns can take a lot of rake, if I want it.
  17. danofarlington

    danofarlington My Mail is Forwarded Here

    Any crown height different from 5 inches is wrong, and the perpetrator should be arrested.
  18. For some reason the moment I read the question I kept imagining Prof. Irwin Corey The World's Foremost Authority giving a classic detailed answer.
  19. mercuryfelt76

    mercuryfelt76 One of the Regulars

    Yes mirrors do lie and if your wife does take lots of pictures make sure it's in daylight, as the flash can create shadows which lie too.

    The other problem is that high crowns used to be available in all different heights to suit the wearer. The shops used to be the experts but everything is generic these days. Experiment with different crown heights until you finally see the shape and size that works for you. You may find that just ever so slightly lower or less boxy makes a lot of difference.

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