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Discussion in 'Hats' started by Dakota Ellison, Jan 25, 2004.

  1. Go online. "Bencraft Hats."
     
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  2. hatguysz

    hatguysz New in Town

    And lets hope he sells to EVERYONE!
     
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  3. hatguysz

    hatguysz New in Town

    That looks like a bellini
     
  4. hatguysz

    hatguysz New in Town

    please take a look inside hat label, you will see the code- 11- 4336
     
  5. hatguysz

    hatguysz New in Town

    I sell that one for $270
    I sell stye 49 0009 for $200 (looks very,very similar)
     
  6. Redfokker

    Redfokker Call Me a Cab

    Mmmmm! Fuzzy and in my size also!
     
  7. DVNO

    DVNO New in Town

    I checked the common german hat shops before buying it. It was always about 369. One famous shop had it for 399 Euros - as you can see here: https://www.hutshopping.de/Borsalino_Hut_Klassik.html?fa_dd=2

    But thank you. I'm very happy with it tho - even if I could have bought it for less than 369. :)
     
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  8. Celia

    Celia One of the Regulars

    At the risk of being mocked here as well, cut Daniel some slack, guys! I don't know if any of you have been to hat shops in Europe, but what he paid for that hat really is the going price for a new Borsalino in that style in Germany, believe it or not. Remember prices here include VAT (tax) which tends to be very high in Europe as opposed to America. Were he to order that hat from the United States, it'd probably get delivered with a bill for import tax, so he wouldn't end up saving as much as it seems.

    Also, most Germans I know still prefer buying hats (and other goods) in local shops rather than ordering online. They also tend to be very "environmentally conscious" so would rather not buy a European hat that's been shipped to America and then all the way back to where it came from for that reason. Not passing judgement on that, just my observations.
     
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  9. DVNO you bought a nice hat Borsalino in the price, perhaps a bit 'high, which is normal in Europe. Enjoy it.
    I mean to sellers American friends who "challenge" the high price charged by the Hamburg store that this is one of the reasons why Borsalino is in dire straits.
    My speech should stretch, but suffice it to say that their prices, suitable for the product, in my opinion of Italian consumer, are the fruit of the greatness of America Western market than Europe.
    We can then add to the Borsalino marketing mistakes over the past thirty years and we will see what will happen Monday was not entirely unexpected.
    I repeat once again: in Europe there are no names for the Borsalino hats. Except those manufactured with special felts (beaver, vicuna, guanaco).
    There have been rare, in the past. indications printed on the sweat band.
    Only the the indications of hat quality are on the lining as Qualità Extra Superiore and so on.
    The names and particulars of the felt quality have mainly been adopted for the American market.
    It was the Borsalino marketing move to compete with American brands that gave names to their hats.
    The Alessandria model does not exist in Europe, as no Bellini, Film, Anello and everything else.
    It was the happy and succesfull interpretation of the Stratoliner according to Borsalino,
    As I said the US market is much richer variations in the shapes, colors and finishes some are more accurate and less bold and the prices are lower for a product, personal opinion, better.
    Besdor-Steven knows better than anyone write here the real problems of Borsalino and, maybe, but I do not believe, could talk about it from his point of view of one of the best sellers in USA of Borsalino and therefore in the world.
    The prospect of Borsalino crisis, seen from Italy, is completely different because it applied to languishing European market.

    @carouselvic What makes you think the gray Borsalino has been produced before the Second World War?
     
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  10. carouselvic

    carouselvic My Mail is Forwarded Here

    First off I said "likely". Both the label style and the price.
     
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  11. Redfokker

    Redfokker Call Me a Cab

    +1
     
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  12. nickwellings

    nickwellings New in Town

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    Here's two Borsies I found second hand in Paris. The green one for €4 and the grey for €5. I think the grey one is some kind of 'export only'? It's a size too big for me, but the previous owner must have thought the same. He had stuffed the band with a German newspaper in 1982 :) it's very thin felt, lovely 'snap'. I wore it around and a guy in a clothes shop asked if it was Borsalino right out. Nice to have it noticed!

    The green one also snaps nicely (and fits!)
     

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  13. Very nice, Nick!
     
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  14. Celia

    Celia One of the Regulars

    Great finds, they seem to be in really good condition as well! Why don't they have €4 borsalinos in the 2nd hand shops around here?
     
  15. belfastboy

    belfastboy Practically Family

    Geez, almost a good reason to visit Paris!
     
  16. Celia

    Celia One of the Regulars

    Not anymore, Nick got there before us ;)
     
  17. nickwellings

    nickwellings New in Town

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    Not kidding but when I go to Paris, I hit the second hand/goodwill/charity shops hard. I came back last week after walking 27miles around the city, going to about 40shops. I was with a buddy who I had enthused about the stuff you can find. It takes looking but they are there. He was converted....This time however, no Borsies for cheap, about 35€ each. I did find a Lock and Co hat for 20 which works for me.

    Those Borsies were piled under other hats, the green one smashed and squashed. A bit of steam brought it back to life. I enclose a before pic!
     

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  18. Celia

    Celia One of the Regulars

    Great job getting it back in shape! Any chance of letting us know some good addresses in Paris for 2nd hand hats? I haven't been there in quite a few years, so maybe it's time I visited again...
     
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  19. nickwellings

    nickwellings New in Town

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    Every vintage and second hand shop has hats, so its just a matter of looking...my favourite haunt had a waist level table really, with a grille on the sides, full of hats. Some were poor makes, but I found the green one there. Maybe no one likes green. Sadly that shop has since turned into a ladies wear only shop, but if you like real fur coats they're €30 and up a go, branded wool coats 5 and up. The second hand business big.

    Some shops they have just what seem to be modern Mossants, and endless new wool hats. If you like German/Austrian hats too, you'll love Paris. Hundreds of green, alpine-y, hunter-y ones. Me, I prefer the ones I bought!
     
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  20. hatguysz

    hatguysz New in Town

    SMALLREZ.jpg Feel free to stop by my shop in Lakewood NJ.
    Ive got a nice selection of Borsalinos :)
     
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