Discussion in 'Hats' started by Chepstow, Sep 24, 2012.
All great hats, thanks. I'll be watching for progress on the rehab of the Lees
Karl, Jared, thanks. Not sure it could be called a Lord's hat, because they only lack the brim binding and are the same as homburgs in colour and ribbon. Whatever you'd call it, it's still a very cool hat though.
Richard, thanks. I can't wait for the Lees to come back from restoration, but it may take a while (so I've been told). I'll post it as soon as it makes its way back.
Posted this one in the Homburg nation thread earlier, but it does belong here too. Woodrow (or J. Woodrow&Sons to be complete) homburg in grey, size 59. Brim at 6cm and crown 11cm at the pinch. Really wonderful felt. Woodrow was one of many Stockport hatters. The company didn't make it out of the decline in hat sales of the fifties and merged in the mid-fifties with Battersby. Early to mid-fifties for this one I think. Never handled one of their hats before but it really is a high quality hat. This one is lined up to be part of the next hat-exchange Holland-Italy with Daniele.
Ooozes quality @steur
Karl, thanks. I'm amazed that almost all of the English made hats I find of this era are of this very high quality. They really did know their stuff back then.
They were a very very wealthy nation back then, with few restrictive domestic economic practices compared to other European nations, and a class system then categorised by felt amongst other things. It's hilarious how they now yern for their weaknesses and forget their strength, but hey ho. The top is too wealthy and the bottom too poor, both to be educated.
Here is one I recently picked up. It's has "Gledhill's, Proprietor H. Watson, Westgate House, Wakefield" on the Liner and "The Wultilt Guaranteed All Fur" on the sweatband. The sweatband seam is taped and not sewn. I am thinking the age would be 1930s? The color number is listed as 8936 and is called the "N" word. I posted a picture of the tag but removed the word that could possibly cause offense. But it can be read on the actual tag. The size is 7 1/8 UK. The felt is nice and soft and the crease holds any form I put it in. There are a couple of insect tracks on the under side of the brim and I found one moth divot on the topside of the brim. All-n-all it's in really good shape.
I have looked but have not been able to find any information on this fedora. Anybody know anything that could help in the search?
Sure is a nice looking hat. I'm eagerly awaiting some information as well. Cool one Bill.
Super find! I will see if I can find anything. Is there anything else on the size label at the rear of the sweatband or the paper label? Where did you find it?
Bought it from someone I know in North Carolina. He had it listed on eBay for many months. I finally talked him into accepting an offer I made several months ago.
I had not seen this union label the first time I looked. The flash makes it brighter than it is. Really blended in with the sweatband.
Large 54 beside the union label.
Writing by the taped seam and size tag.
Also found this four digit number stamped under the sweatband. I think it’s 9334 but can’t be sure.
Sorry for the late reply. I couldn't find anything specific. The following came up Westgate House, Wakefield.
The Law Journal Volume 22 (Bankrupt List Feb. 12, 1887)
Handbook to the provincial traders of Great Britain and Ireland. Drapers, hosiers & outfitters & milliners, 1871
The London Gazette August 13, 1880
Gledhill's, Proprietor H. Watson could be a trader / wholesaler / retailer. It's also possible they were a small hat company but I tend to doubt it. It appears the hat was made in England (Union Stamp) but there are no company marks on the paper label. Unfortunately we don't have much of database on the English Hat Industry. Stefan might see something that points to a specific hat company.
Thanks for the information. Does the the union stamp help date the hat to a general timeframe? I don’t think it would be as old as the 1880s but maybe the 1930s?
The info I posted has nothing to do with the hat itself. These are companies that I found that were located at West Gate House, Wakefield. This is all I could find and nothing came up on Gledhill's, Proprietor H. Watson.
My guess is that the hat is from the WWII era based on construction (materials, methods). I think there is some information on the Union stamp if you search but I believe this style was used up to WWII.
That's a great looking hat, Bill. Almost certainly pre-war judging by the liner. Gledhill's nor H. Watson were listed as a manufacturer. Most of the English hat manufacturers were based around Manchester (Stockport or Denton) and there were some in London. Because neither name is listed on the 1902 and 1945 lists of English fur felt manufacturers there is very little to go on I'm afraid. The 1902 list names 89 hat manufacturers (it was down to 55 in 1945), any of which could be the maker of this hat (well, not any, but most). I own several English made hats and most use the same type of label inside the sweat. This one I have not seen before.
The English union was based in Denton, but the union label was not changed for a long time, so that does not give any more clues. Untill we find a similar hat we might as well stick with Gledhill's.
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