The Return of the Man's Man

Mid-fogey · Jun 3, 2010

Two words...

...self control.

Feraud · Jun 3, 2010

psugrad98 said:
I think we are starting to see a throwback to regular man's men in advertising. the new Miller Lite commercial making fun of men who wear purses and the such are pretty funny.

The only goal of advertising is to sell product.
Do not view advertising as a social moral compass.

1961MJS · Jun 3, 2010

Tango Yankee said:
Interesting thought, that. But what about the aftermath of WWI? Same thing? Korea, Viet Nam, too. My father was a Korean War vet. I'd known he was in the Army at some point before I was born, but the only time he talked about it was one evening when I was in high school and even then didn't talk about anything that wasn't humorous.

My wife (who is also retired USAF) said our son, a while after coming back from a tour with the Army in Iraq (he was National Guard) asked her why no one had asked him about his time there. She explained that none of us who had been in the service would; it was up to him to bring it up. Civilians, on the other hand, seem to have no hesitation in asking "Didja kill anyone there?"

Cheers,
Tom

Hi

My Dad was in WW2 (17th Weather Squadron), and he discusses it a lot, but he didn't get shot at. My parent's next door neighbor on the other hand, has 2 and 1 Silver Star (s?) and Purple Heart (s?) from the Central Pacific. I didn't get to talk to him much. He DID kill people and does discuss it with some people. Anyway, he went on the honor flight to the WW2 monument and was very emotional over our town's greeting when he came back. My parents, the neighbors, and several other vets were downtown to meet him when he came back home. He said that no one greeted him when he came back from overseas and I found that comment surprising. I know that there were ticker tape parades etc, I've seen the pictures. I take it that if you missed the parade in NYC or LA you missed out all around? I remember hearing about the VN Vets getting spit on when they came back, but the WW2 lack of any local recognition REALLY surprised me.

My Dad came back to the US from Panama in November 1945, and no parades that I was aware of, but that was months after the war was over and he wasn't in a combat position. I guess I don't know when everyone from the European theater and Pacific Theater came home, and what happened when they did.

Later

Miss Neecerie · Jun 3, 2010

Honestly folks...

I know this is a -manly man- topic...and you all don't really care about the opinion of females in this discussion...but its a pretty sad discussion when the only concrete things you can come up with as examples of 'man's man' as characteristics rather then superficial.......are not things exclusive to the half of humanity that has a penis.

Would you not want the characteristics of the Kipling poem to apply to your wives, your daughters, your sisters?

I will post it again just so no one has to scroll back up

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

Other then that last line.... those are the characteristics of a good -human-

Would you not want your wife to keep her head about her when doing rough things..or in emergencies ....etc?

And 'self control'?

again...a great quality in both sexes of the human species....

Nothing -unique- to men.....and if you honestly think it is.....

jamespowers · Jun 3, 2010

Feraud said:
The only goal of advertising is to sell product.
Do not view advertising as a social moral compass.

Definitely not moral

but they do reflect something within a certain bounds. If they went beyond those bounds it would adversely affect their product's sales.
I suppose that, with the beer commercials, you won't likely find many men who carry the strange manpurse thing going over and throwing a couple of cases of beer in their cart at the store---at least that is what they are banking on. The beer for men thing is their demographic; I guess.

jamespowers · Jun 3, 2010

1961MJS said:
Hi

My Dad was in WW2 (17th Weather Squadron), and he discusses it a lot, but he didn't get shot at. My parent's next door neighbor on the other hand, has 2 and 1 Silver Star (s?) and Purple Heart (s?) from the Central Pacific. I didn't get to talk to him much. He DID kill people and does discuss it with some people. Anyway, he went on the honor flight to the WW2 monument and was very emotional over our town's greeting when he came back. My parents, the neighbors, and several other vets were downtown to meet him when he came back home. He said that no one greeted him when he came back from overseas and I found that comment surprising. I know that there were ticker tape parades etc, I've seen the pictures. I take it that if you missed the parade in NYC or LA you missed out all around? I remember hearing about the VN Vets getting spit on when they came back, but the WW2 lack of any local recognition REALLY surprised me.

My Dad came back to the US from Panama in November 1945, and no parades that I was aware of, but that was months after the war was over and he wasn't in a combat position. I guess I don't know when everyone from the European theater and Pacific Theater came home, and what happened when they did.

Later

My father was a Korean War veteran as well. He didn't say much at all even if you asked him stupid questions like "did you shoot at anyone?" The answer was something like: "we weren't there standing around looking at each other."

When he came back, my grandmother had a newspaper interview lined up and all that stuff but my father flatly refused. "I don't want any publicity."
That was just that way it was. You did your duty. Came back and just resumed your life where you left off as best you could.
What he hated most were those that served and bragged about their service. They were still here and the heros were left on the battlefield. That was just the way it was.

Mr Vim · Jun 3, 2010

I think the original idea of this forum is that in terms of marketing, personal/public perception and fashion in general men are now leaning towards a style that has been dormant for some years... a style to include the fedora, the suit, traditional shaving, heavier colgone and any combination thereof which was a sort of stamp of recognition of a time when men were, well manlier.

My father has always said his youth and time as a younger man were extraoridnarily different than today's youth, and he's not speaking about the technology, but rather what how they interacted with others, that was in the fities and early sixties and it was he that came up with the stamp of recognition idea.

Am I getting through to anyone? I'm not sure how I can word this better. I admit it seems abit confusing what I just said, but I have been up since 4am Alaska local.

Pyroxene · Jun 4, 2010

Miss Neecerie said:
Would you not want your wife to keep her head about her when doing rough things..or in emergencies ....etc?

And 'self control'?

Absolutely. I guess that's why I like James Bond.

When you think of James Bond and the Bond Girls some people associate them with bimbos or floozies. However the Bond Girls, for the most part, are very confident women usually at the top of their game when James encounters them.

Eva Green (Vesper Lynd in Casino Royale), Halle Berry (Jinx in Die Another Day) or Michelle Yeoh (Wai Lin in Tomorrow Never Dies) are very strong characters that come to mind.

Even characters such as Pussy Galore many people forget that she is leader for a group of professional women aviators. She knows judo and at the same time is very passionate about what she believes.

Tango Yankee · Jun 4, 2010

Miss Neecerie said:
Other then that last line.... those are the characteristics of a good -human-

Would you not want your wife to keep her head about her when doing rough things..or in emergencies ....etc?

And 'self control'?

again...a great quality in both sexes of the human species....

Nothing -unique- to men.....and if you honestly think it is.....

Can't argue about that! :eusa_clap :eusa_clap

Regards,
Tom

JimWagner · Jun 4, 2010

Mr Vim said:
I think the original idea of this forum is that in terms of marketing, personal/public perception and fashion in general men are now leaning towards a style that has been dormant for some years... a style to include the fedora, the suit, traditional shaving, heavier colgone and any combination thereof which was a sort of stamp of recognition of a time when men were, well manlier.

Well, I'm not wild about the heavier cologne. Last night I took my wife out to dinner at an upscale restaurant. About halfway through dinner a group of four sales types arrived and sat at the next table. All wearing a lot of aftershave and cologne. Completely covered up what were the pleasant smells from our dinner. And as smell makes up a major part of what we perceive as taste, pretty much destroyed dinner for us.

For what it's worth, I feel the same way about ladies wearing too much perfume.

For those who want to wear after shaves, colognes and perfumes please only wear enough for those in close contact with you. Not enough for everyone within sight.

Smithy · Jun 5, 2010

The words to "If" posted above are words for anyone to live by irrespective of gender. And the world would be a better place if people did.

jamespowers · Jun 5, 2010

Smithy said:
The words to "If" posted above are words for anyone to live by irrespective of gender. And the world would be a better place if people did.

Exactly. However the title of this thread is as it is so we deal with it as it is.
We'll leave the rest to the return of the woman's woman. I'll have to post The Good Wife article again.

Foofoogal · Jun 7, 2010

HTML:

I'll have to post The Good Wife article again.

:eusa_clap :eusa_clap lol lol

Atomic · Jun 7, 2010

When I think of manly men I think characteristics definable and appreciated in both men and women. The ability to do what you believe in and work hard to achieve what you want is manly (and yes, a hell of a quality in a woman!). Taking a bigger step towards manhood is doing the work for what you believe and not looking for an Achievement Award and kudos from everyone in the area. I see so many guys these days that do things because they want the recognition from everyone, the approval of others. Its really their only motivating factor to do something. Manly men do what they do because its who they are and they don't care if people are watching. Build a building because it will house your life's work or your family. Solve a major problem because you want it fixed. Save children because you feel a burning in your soul to do so. Move a mountain because it got in your way and you couldn't get around it. Do these these things because you're a man with an objective and you've got to get it done.

Now, when it comes to fashion. Wear nice clothes. Wear clothes that fit what you are doing. Wear clothes that look good and show off a man's figure. Wear a great suit and a kicking tie. Wear some darned adventure gear and get out and do something! Don't wear your girlfriends jeans or carry a "satchel". Don't wear eyeliner or wax your chest. Don't ride a vintage vespa while carrying a messenger bag and a scarf. And for the love of god stay away from Emo fashion.

Atomic · Jun 7, 2010

Flyboy said:
Obligatory cross-board rant: real men carry .45's!

:arated:

With 5" barrels!

Widebrim · Jun 7, 2010

jamespowers said:
What he hated most were those that served and bragged about their service. They were still here and the heros were left on the battlefield. That was just the way it was.

I have said more than once: Be wary of those who "brag" about their service; it is very likely that most of what they say is pure fiction.

Lincsong · Jun 7, 2010

A Man Who Loves is Mother, Is Man Enough for Me....

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Lincsong · Jun 7, 2010

Actually the article linked is fairly good. I had a female bartender tell me; "At least come in here all clean cut and know how to dress. Most men come in here all 'blaaaaaaaaaaah". lol Needless to say her tip doubled.

jamespowers · Jun 7, 2010

Widebrim said:
I have said more than once: Be wary of those who "brag" about their service; it is very likely that most of what they say is pure fiction.

Exactly. :eusa_clap

Foofoogal · Jun 7, 2010

Book:Understanding Women Tips/Man Man.

In response to the Mans Man thread I would like give some info.

I am reading a book called Motherless Daughters by Hope Edelman.

Every man should read this book as well as every woman.

Astonishingly explains so many things.

Why some women are attracted to some men and/or not.
Even women who may have their mothers still and/or have daughters.

or men that have daughters.

Explains how at basically every age of how or what a woman needs.

I not only came to understand myself like an onion taking off layers but with high divorce rates everyone truly could glean from this book. Startling.
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Definitely would take the pressure off of people to go ahead and be the kind of man or woman they want to be with explanation of why they want to be it.
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Why it is you want to be a man man and/or find the gal looking for one. lol
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I know most men don't like reading books but if you are one that does it is a great read.

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My Mail is Forwarded Here

I'll Lock Up

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One of the Regulars

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I'll Lock Up

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