Not-Bogart13
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Love it! I think I'm getting addicted to black hats, because now I've got a THREE on my want list!
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Art Fawcett VS Hall of Fame
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1961MJS
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HI Ordinary Guy, I like the hat a lot. Prior to seeing your hat I would have strongly considered buying a black hat with a Deep Maroon Ribbon and a matching brim. I'll leave it black now.
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That's a beaut with those color combinations. Now I'm "green" with envy!
fluteplayer07
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Outstanding! The lighter colors add just the perfect amount of flash to it... Very nice.
yookee
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A recent Crofut & Knapp refurbish by Art. Unfortunately, I didn't take a before picture.
Thanks Art!
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Stunning, the way you reworked the photo brings out the beauty of that hat. Great job on that refurb. Love the ribbon work.
daizawaguy
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Now that`s interesting - If I could respectfully comment - I know nothing about calibrated monitors (apart from reading it on Google, and hearing that 99.9% of monitors are uncalibrated!?), but if that`s a black ribbon, then the original looks correct to me. If it`s grey, then the bottom one looks correct. Not sure how any details can be re-worked from a copy of a photo on line, without going back to the original data file.
Ordinary Guy
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A recent Crofut & Knapp refurbish by Art. Unfortunately, I didn't take a before picture.
Thanks Art!
That is a Black Beauty for sure...........
If you ever get tired of it, I have a stand waiting for it .....
Happy to oblige. Most monitors are "hot" or brighter than natural. The manufacturers adjust them that way at the factory. Since I do photography almost every day among other things, I calibrate my monitors so that they have accurate color rendition and are "neutral" rather than "hot." So my monitors are a little calmer than most. The result is that most images appear a bit dark because most people manipulate them on "hot" monitors. This one showed no detail at all on my monitor. I just saw a black image in the shape of a hat with a little gray arrow where the band is. I was interested in seeing what the hat looks like so I reduced the contrast, brightened it, and then added back in the contrast. That allowed me to see the crease and pinches and band and binding.
The problem you point out is very real. The band and binding are more light reflective. So, even if they are black, they will appear lighter than the felt which is less light reflective. The more I brighten, the greater the disparity in light value. There is no way to fix that from a downloaded image - at least without doing a lot of work on it in Photoshop. They may be black or gray. I don't know. I just know I couldn't see anything at all on my monitors even though the OP and you may have gotten some detail on your monitors. So I did what I could. It may be less accurate but it is visible.
The source of the image isn't all that important. The original probably has more resolution but not necessarily any more light value detail. So it is possible to bring up some of that detail with brightening. If you saw the image on my monitor, the difference would be very obvious. Obviously it would be better to have more exposure in the camera. I just did what I could with what I had.
Black and white are the toughest colors of all to render photographically. No doubt about it. We sometimes refer to a tough contrast problem as a black cat in a coal bin.
The problem you point out is very real. The band and binding are more light reflective. So, even if they are black, they will appear lighter than the felt which is less light reflective. The more I brighten, the greater the disparity in light value. There is no way to fix that from a downloaded image - at least without doing a lot of work on it in Photoshop. They may be black or gray. I don't know. I just know I couldn't see anything at all on my monitors even though the OP and you may have gotten some detail on your monitors. So I did what I could. It may be less accurate but it is visible.
The source of the image isn't all that important. The original probably has more resolution but not necessarily any more light value detail. So it is possible to bring up some of that detail with brightening. If you saw the image on my monitor, the difference would be very obvious. Obviously it would be better to have more exposure in the camera. I just did what I could with what I had.
Black and white are the toughest colors of all to render photographically. No doubt about it. We sometimes refer to a tough contrast problem as a black cat in a coal bin.
It is better and it demonstrates that the binding and band are black. I can tell that it has a teardrop crease but I can't see any other detail other than a wisp of light on the back of the hat band. Generally, you need to overexpose a shot like this by a stop and half to two stops. That resolves most everything right in the camera. The light that reaches the meter is dominated by everything around the hat. Since meters try to reduce everything to medium gray, they lie to us pretty badly with black or white subjects.
At any rate, it is an elegant lid to be sure.
At any rate, it is an elegant lid to be sure.
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Here's an example. This shot is of my Dobbs Beechwood fedora. It is black and has a black band. No binding, though, since it is a welted brim. You can see that everything is black but there is enough detail to make out what matters in viewing the image. This was overexposed 1 1/2 stops in the camera and photoshopped on a neutral monitor. The lighting is a light box with two studio strobes.
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Toobacat, on my monitor your hat looks rich black with good details - like it supposed to look in the shade, fmw, your hat looks dark grey and artificially brightened up.
rlk
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6" x 2-1/4" Art did some beautiful final detailing on the bow which is a particularly fine looking ribbon in color and texture. A special thank you to Art for his patience and persistence in getting this just right. Concept originates with a Mallory Hat of 1917. Not so simple to move from 2 dimensional artist's engraving to a real 3D object.
6" x 2-1/4" Art did some beautiful final detailing on the bow which is a particularly fine looking ribbon in color and texture. A special thank you to Art for his patience and persistence in getting this just right. Concept originates with a Mallory Hat of 1917. Not so simple to move from 2 dimensional artist's engraving to a real 3D object.
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Details on that brim edge treatment please!
rlk
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Moderately wide(3/8") overwelt with 2 rows of stitching towards inner edge.
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