The general decline in standards today

Stray Cat · Oct 13, 2013

V.C. Brunswick said:
Makes you wonder just what line of work is "Mr Intellect" in.

I failed to mention: he's unemployed, naturally.

Te lives of he's grandparents pensions.

Stray Cat · Oct 13, 2013

Son_of_Atropos said:
However, these kids not only don't have to work but can spend their time doing whatever their heart desires.

Saddest thing: they do NOTHING. [huh]

AtomicEraTom said:
Well, it isn't all young people. I'm 22 years old, work a 40 hour a week job at a factory, help my father and brother at their shop after I leave there, and on the weekends, buy and restore classic cars, and am working my tuchus off to get my car dealership started, filling out paperwork, going to meetings for permits, etc, etc.

This is because you are a GOOD and HARDWORKING person - both very rare qualities nowadays.

LizzieMaine · Oct 13, 2013

AtomicEraTom said:
Well, it isn't all young people. I'm 22 years old, work a 40 hour a week job at a factory, help my father and brother at their shop after I leave there, and on the weekends, buy and restore classic cars, and am working my tuchus off to get my car dealership started, filling out paperwork, going to meetings for permits, etc, etc.

There are plenty of kids who work hard -- all of the girls working for me have two or three jobs. But I make a point of hiring kids who come from a background similar to my own, and therefore know what it means to work for a living.

But there are a lot of kids out there who don't have any idea *how* to work, even if you give them a chance. They don't understand what punctuality means, and they don't understand that a job means that your personal needs come second to the needs of the job: the world of work is no place for worshipers of the Holy Individual, and the sooner they realize that the better off they'll be.

And then there's the kids who only want a job because their parents are threatening to throw them out of the house if they don't get one: I had such a youth show up recently, red-eyed, babbling, and stinking of dope, and from what I was able to decipher he was *insisting* that I give him a job. I was pretty clear that this wasn't going to happen, so he held out a five dollar bill and asked me if I'd run over to the drug store and buy him a pack of cigarettes because he's, you know, only seventeen. That's a young man who is headed for a lifetime of disappointments, but he probably won't ever be sober enough to realize it.

AtomicEraTom · Oct 13, 2013

This is very true. I deal with a lot of them, and it's not even kids anymore. We just had a guy working at the plant had to be in his 50's. He quit because the job was 'too hard.' We have a lot of that by us.

LizzieMaine said:
There are plenty of kids who work hard -- all of the girls working for me have two or three jobs. But I make a point of hiring kids who come from a background similar to my own, and therefore know what it means to work for a living.

But there are a lot of kids out there who don't have any idea *how* to work, even if you give them a chance. They don't understand what punctuality means, and they don't understand that a job means that your personal needs come second to the needs of the job: the world of work is no place for worshipers of the Holy Individual, and the sooner they realize that the better off they'll be.

And then there's the kids who only want a job because their parents are threatening to throw them out of the house if they don't get one: I had such a youth show up recently, red-eyed, babbling, and stinking of dope, and from what I was able to decipher he was *insisting* that I give him a job. I was pretty clear that this wasn't going to happen, so he held out a five dollar bill and asked me if I'd run over to the drug store and buy him a pack of cigarettes because he's, you know, only seventeen. That's a young man who is headed for a lifetime of disappointments, but he probably won't ever be sober enough to realize it.

Thank you. My brother has been running his own business since he was 16. Dad bankrolled him, though. I'm getting some help, but the majority of the money is coming out of my pockets.

I plan on doing mostly classics, but 4x4 vehicles will probably be popular to keep the money flowing in the winter. I have a '51 Ford truck and a '47 Olds 4-door that are in the process of being restored to go on the lot.

GHT said:
Well I really hope that you get there my friend. At 22, what I would have given to run my own business. It would be another 30 years before I got there. But in distribution, you need a warehouse, racking, forklifts, a myriad of other equipment. A functional office, plus furniture, office gizmos. You need a fleet of vehicles and at least enough capital to pay the wages for six months.
What do you plan to sell in your dealership? Modern or classic?

Thank you. I like to think so, but there are harder workers out there, and plenty of them. I do my best, but I don't know how some people do it!

Stray Cat said:
This is because you are a GOOD and HARDWORKING person - both very rare qualities nowadays.

celestial · Oct 13, 2013

The main problem with work these days is that practically every single employer wants experience. Well, how are you meant to get experience if every job demands experience...?

GHT · Oct 13, 2013

AtomicEraTom said:
I plan on doing mostly classics, but 4x4 vehicles will probably be popular to keep the money flowing in the winter. I have a '51 Ford truck and a '47 Olds 4-door that are in the process of being restored to go on the lot.

If, on your travels, you come across a 1938 or 39 Chevrolet, preferably the four door model, and you think it is restorable at a good price, (anything is restorable with an open cheque book) you be sure to pm me. Just to give you a heads up. There was a large production of R/H drive models made at the Canadian factory for export to Australia & South Africa. A fair number wound up in the UK. But R/H drive is not imperative.

Stanley Doble · Oct 13, 2013

I may be able to locate a car for you in Canada. What exactly are you looking for? The 37 - 38 models were very similar, then the 39 was a new model. With the 40 being very like the 39.

Here is an ad for a 1939 Chevrolet sedan, is this what you are looking for?

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-veh...classic-pre-war-automobile-W0QQAdIdZ471787621

GHT · Oct 13, 2013

Stanley, I am going to look into that, thank you very much. Seventeen and half thousand Can$ = roughly Ten and half grand £:sterling.
87000 kilometres = just under 55000 miles. I need to find out shipping costs, and perhaps, a return flight to Canada.

Red Diabla · Oct 13, 2013

celestial said:
The main problem with work these days is that practically every single employer wants experience. Well, how are you meant to get experience if every job demands experience...?

Experience, a college degree, and they'll try you out with an unpaid internship. How is anyone supposed to support themselves with those requirements?!

Stray Cat · Oct 13, 2013

LizzieMaine said:
But there are a lot of kids out there who don't have any idea *how* to work, even if you give them a chance. They don't understand what punctuality means, and they don't understand that a job means that your personal needs come second to the needs of the job: the world of work is no place for worshipers of the Holy Individual, and the sooner they realize that the better off they'll be.

Hear! Hear! :thumb:
The school system of today (here, where I am) has failed the kids with all the "let them be the Individual" way of teaching. There are no longer grades for the young ones. Last week a kid told me he got a "Bravo!"; he was quick to add there's another one:

sign.
The schools are producing the Holy Individual generation of humans - that might be great.. however, each and every one of them (being the "individual") sees himself/herself as too valuable to spend his/hers precious time on such a trivial thing like a "job".

Stray Cat · Oct 13, 2013

celestial said:
The main problem with work these days is that practically every single employer wants experience. Well, how are you meant to get experience if every job demands experience...?

It's the vicious circle. :rage:

Red Diabla said:
Experience, a college degree, and they'll try you out with an unpaid internship. How is anyone supposed to support themselves with those requirements?!

:nod:
I have been there.
My answer is: you do not support yourself; you suck it up, and pretend it's just one more year of college or university.

Virginia Creeper · Oct 13, 2013

GHT said:
Stanley, I am going to look into that, thank you very much. Seventeen and half thousand Can$ = roughly Ten and half grand £:sterling.
87000 kilometres = just under 55000 miles. I need to find out shipping costs, and perhaps, a return flight to Canada.

Markham is only a couple of hours from here. I'd be happy to go look at it for you in person if that would be useful. The only real drawback for you is that I'm completely car illiterate, so my opinion would be worthless. :lol:

LizzieMaine · Oct 13, 2013

Stray Cat said:
It's the vicious circle. :rage:

:nod:
I have been there.
My answer is: you do not support yourself; you suck it up, and pretend it's just one more year of college or university.

Or you get over the idea that having a degree somehow entitles you to a certain level of job, and you take any job you possibly can doing anything they need you to do. You won't have much fun, but you'll learn an awful lot about life. And you might, if you're lucky, discover skills and talents your education never told you you had.

Oh, and unpaid internships ought to be illegal. If labor had any guts left in this country, they would be.

celestial · Oct 13, 2013

Stray Cat said:
It's the vicious circle. :rage:

:nod:
I have been there.
My answer is: you do not support yourself; you suck it up, and pretend it's just one more year of college or university.

It's 4am now, and I am here because I'm anxious. I've been anxious all week in fact. I just want to get somewhere in my life already! Not only does this mean getting some security money-wise, but it also means dealing with the grief of losing most of my family. And poverty only magnifies this grief.

I'm doing what I can to make my resume look better, but to truly make it look better I need money. And therein lies the main dilemma... for a good education you need money. And on unemployment benefits, money is something that you never have.

Anyway, that's my rant over.

AtomicEraTom · Oct 13, 2013

It is asinine. I've been looking into leaving the factory for something more up my alley, and everyone wants a degree and 3-5 years experience in the field. How does anyone ever get started?

celestial said:
The main problem with work these days is that practically every single employer wants experience. Well, how are you meant to get experience if every job demands experience...?

I will keep my eyes open and curb feelers out for you

GHT said:
If, on your travels, you come across a 1938 or 39 Chevrolet, preferably the four door model, and you think it is restorable at a good price, (anything is restorable with an open cheque book) you be sure to pm me. Just to give you a heads up. There was a large production of R/H drive models made at the Canadian factory for export to Australia & South Africa. A fair number wound up in the UK. But R/H drive is not imperative.

GHT · Oct 13, 2013

Virginia Creeper said:
Markham is only a couple of hours from here. I'd be happy to go look at it for you in person if that would be useful. The only real drawback for you is that I'm completely car illiterate, so my opinion would be worthless. :lol:

Very kind of you Virginia. It's one of those life moments where something one wants, at a price that is right, always comes along at a difficult time. My wife being laid up, following her knee replacement surgery last week, means that it's an inopportune time. But I still intend to make contact. If things do progress, as a member of the Automobile Association, I can approach them to contact their Canadian counterpart, who can not only run the slide rule over the car. They can check to make sure that the owner is whom he says he is, in other words it's not stolen, the subject of a finance agreement or ringed. Ringing a car takes some explaining, if you really want to know, put it into google. The AA can also arrange shipping. Tomorrow I shall make the phone call. And thank you once more kind lady.

jamespowers · Oct 13, 2013

Touchofevil said:
I am tired of parents who allow their kids to sit on their front porch all day smoking pot and rapping loud enough to be across the street in the back of one's house and their kids The kids have no jobs and are no longer in school, their mothers do not work, and their properties are the eyesores of the block. I need a moat and 400 acres of land between me and all others.

You didn't tell me you lived in the ghetto.

I call the police out here and they nail them---not in my neighborhood but if I see it, they get it.

Then again, I eve avail myself of community standards and when the lawns get too high they get a visit from the city---cut it or we will and give you the bill. I hate when you have cancerous people like that in a neighborhood. You get one and they seem to metastasize. :eeek: They are hippies with a different taste of music is all. :doh:

jamespowers · Oct 13, 2013

Stray Cat said:
So..
I'm about 10.000 kilometers (6.000 miles) away, and the situation is the SAME.
Isn't that a shame? out:
Not long ago, I had a conversation with a fella my age. He told me a shocking thing "I'd NEVER be able to pull out a 8 hrs a day at work. That's for the mindless people"
Pardon me? :tape2:
When did having a job made us "mindless"? [huh]
Is that a general opinion among the young & free folks?!

So you DO have hippies there too!:doh: All he left out was "you're a cog in the wheel for the man, man."

jamespowers · Oct 13, 2013

GHT said:
I am guessing that you are about 3,000 miles from the Eastern Shore, then it's another 3,000 miles across an ocean. But those species are well and truly established on our Island. The ones that I detest are the youngsters that run amok in the supermarket, screaching at the top of their voice, arms outstretched, knocking stock from the shelves, mother is impervious. If I am with my wife when this happens, she gestures as though wringing out a dish cloth. One such delightful child had the misfortune to career into my wife, the withering stare of pure napalm that kid got had him wimpering back to his mother declaring: "She looked at me!" Man it was classic.

She looked at me! :rofl: In my family we call that The Look.

jamespowers · Oct 13, 2013

Son_of_Atropos said:
I work pretty much 12 hour days. Because I work 12 hour days, I cannot do things I enjoy. However, these kids not only don't have to work but can spend their time doing whatever their heart desires. This upsets me. It also makes me ask the following: "Why do I work again?" and "Why do I act responsible?" Seeing people enjoy the fruits without the labor make me feel more and more like a sap.

You ain't the only one brother. I often wonder that too. I call it Generational Theft that they are engaged in.

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