Persistence-sustained effort necessary to induce faith

Roger · Oct 10, 2006

Let's not confuse "critcial thinking" with critcising someone who thinks and has faith in their abilities. There is a difference.:eusa_doh:

mysterygal · Oct 10, 2006

carebear said:
Never been face to face with an enraged drill instrctor, have you?

All I have to do now, coming on 15 years later, is remember them. that's enough motivation for me.

lol I would never do well with being in boot camp! I'm too strong willed to be bullied!

Daisy Buchanan · Oct 10, 2006

mysterygal said:
Daisy, it seems what you're talking about is discernment, and not everybody has it. It is how you say, without any tangible reason for trust in a person, you know they can be depended upon. I too, can tell after meeting a person who's trustable and who I should keep at a distance. I've never been wrong with those I trusted right off. I think some of it is instinct as well, it comes out most strongly with my children, sometimes without outside explanation, I just know not to bring my child to a certain place or let them be babysat by a certain person.

Thanks. Yes, that is exactly what I was thinking. It's like an innate nagging inside of me that tells me to trust or not to. But, to me it's a feeling that I don't always think something supernatural is behind.
Thanks for helping me try and figure out a name for it. I don't know why, but I've always felt that getting my ideas out about the different kinds of faith and trust, can be so difficult to explain. Too many sides, so many different definitions and ideas.

Weston · Oct 11, 2006

Maj.Nick Danger said:
That is the key to faith, "religious" or "otherwise".
One has to believe unwaveringly. One moment of doubt will ruin everything.

Hope I'm doing the quote right. In my experience, I disagree a bit. I think the best faith is that which survives doubt. If you can doubt something, but go back to it after resolving those doubts, that belief rings forth ever stronger. I give this as the key to the American experiment. Several times in our history we've had cause to doubt ourselves‚Äìto step back and think "Can we do this? Is it the right thing?" and invariably we wind up stronger and more committed to American ideals than before. Just my 2 cents.

Lincsong · Oct 11, 2006

Excellent point Weston.

John in Covina · Oct 11, 2006

Maj.Nick Danger said:
That is the key to faith, "religious" or "otherwise".
One has to believe unwaveringly. One moment of doubt will ruin everything.

Actually in Christianity, when you question your faith, it often helps you grow in your faith. Also, very few can believe or have faith perfectly and at all times.

Faith is a step above hope, it is a belief in a promise for the future.

Now as a Lutheran, I believe that my faith is a gift from God, and that His Grace covers me when I fall short because as a human being tainted with sin, I am not perfect and cannot achieve salvation on my own. Faith comes by hearing the Word. And I will always fall short when left to my own works.

carebear · Oct 11, 2006

Daisy Buchanan said:
Thanks. Yes, that is exactly what I was thinking. It's like an innate nagging inside of me that tells me to trust or not to. But, to me it's a feeling that I don't always think something supernatural is behind.
Thanks for helping me try and figure out a name for it. I don't know why, but I've always felt that getting my ideas out about the different kinds of faith and trust, can be so difficult to explain. Too many sides, so many different definitions and ideas.

In a book called "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin DeBecker, he points out that our senses take in a vastly greater amount of information than we can consciously process. Our brain processes every bit of that information on a subconscious level. We are "reasoning" but not in a way explicable at the time. In general, if you look back from a bit of distance in time and space you will be able to point out discreet observations that led to that holistic, at the time inexplicable trust, distrust or fear.

Where we go wrong as "modern sophisticated people" is to give too much weight to our conscious mind and ignore or belittle our more innate revelations. We get a "bad feeling" about the guy on the elevator but get on anyway so as not to be "rude" or a scaredy cat.

I heartily recommend the book, especially to our fairer members.

Just ignore his supercilious hypocrisy on firearms.

John in Covina · Oct 11, 2006

intuition and esp

There are theories that certain seemingly preconitive awareness is due to processing of information at a higher level than the regular conscience. In certain situations these minute readings of people or situations bring a judgement that seems like predicting the future.

carebear · Oct 11, 2006

John in Covina said:
There are theories that certain seemingly preconitive awareness is due to processing of information at a higher level than the regular conscience. In certain situations these minute readings of people or situations bring a judgement that seems like predicting the future.

Awareness is trainable and can become second nature. Most people go through their day utterly unaware of their surroundings, modern devices don't help.

People just drifting in their own little bubbles are the kind of people who, after an accident or crime, say "I never say him coming" or "it came out of nowhere". In the vast majority of cases, they are wrong, all the evidence they needed to avoid the situation was there, the person was simply blindly unaware of what was going on until too late.

Maj.Nick Danger · Oct 11, 2006

I've found that my ability and training as an artist has been a great help to my intuition. It's as if I can see situations and people in minute detail, while simultaineously seeing the big picture. This is how one must think while making art. It's a constant shift between the two modes of perception.
I think other artists would perhaps agree with my view, (but would put it into different words)?

John in Covina · Oct 11, 2006

Alertness

Jeff Cooper's "Principles of Personal Defense"

1- Awareness: Be Ready , Be alert
2- Decisiveness: Bring all force to bear, do not delay
3- Agressiveness: Be indignant, be angry when you give it all you've got, to destroy your enemy
4- Speed: the perfect defense is a counterattack that succeeds before the assailant has realized he has bitten off more than he can chew. Retaliate instantly, speed is your salvation, there is no referee to call what they have done as unfair.
5- Coolness: Under any sort of attack keep cool and shoot with precision.
6- Ruthlessness: when your life is in danger you must take the other man out, if armed he is a danger as long as he is conscious. If attacked you cannot be kind, you must be tough, harsh and ruthless.
7- Surprise: by combining the above you can confuse you attacker and suprise them simply by fighting back.

carebear · Oct 11, 2006

John in Covina said:
Jeff Cooper's "Principles of Personal Defense"

1- Awareness: Be Ready , Be alert
2- Decisiveness: Bring all force to bear, do not delay
3- Agressiveness: Be indignant, be angry when you give it all you've got, to destroy your enemy
4- Speed: the perfect defense is a counterattack that succeeds before the assailant has realized he has bitten off more than he can chew. Retaliate instantly, speed is your salvation, there is no referee to call what they have done as unfair.
5- Coolness: Under any sort of attack keep cool and shoot with precision.
6- Ruthlessness: when you life is in danger you must take the other man out, if armed he is a danger as long as he is conscious. If attacked you cannot be kind, you must be tough, harsh and ruthless.
7- Surprise: by combining the above you can confuse you attacker and suprise them simply by fighting back.

I'm trying to modify my warlike image so I didn't go there John.

You did hear Jeff finally passed just a bit ago?

John in Covina · Oct 11, 2006

Death Wish 1 a revealing conversation

Paul Kersey‚Äôs (Charles Bronson in the movie Death Wish) conversation with Son in Law Jack.

Paul: If we had the brains to live in the country...we wouldn't be here for the reason we are today. We'd be going into the city to work...Mom and Carol would be safe at home waiting for us! Nothing to do but cut and run.

Jack: What else?

Paul: What about the old American social custom of self-defense? If the police don't defend us, maybe we ought to do it ourselves.

Jack: We're not pioneers anymore, Dad.

Paul: What are we, Jack?

Jack: What do you mean?

Paul: I mean, if we're not pioneers, what have we become? What do you call people...who, when faced with a condition of fear...do nothing about it? They just run and hide.

Jack: Civilized?

Paul: No.

John in Covina · Oct 11, 2006

Jeff Cooper , a great man

carebear said:
I'm trying to modify my warlike image so I didn't go there John. You did hear Jeff finally passed just a bit ago?

I am out of the loop on that and had not heard. His editorials were often awesome.

carebear · Oct 11, 2006

John in Covina said:
I am out of the loop on that and had not heard. His editorials were often awesome.

http://dvc.org.uk/jeff/index.html

All of his "Commentaries" are available there.

In case anyone wonders, there's more to Cooper than just self-defense stuff. He was a historian and philosopher who had a great deal to say about, ironically, persistance in achieving one's goals and living life beyond your limitations.

Lincsong · Oct 12, 2006

A few people know from experience the soundness of persistence. They are the ones who have not accepted defeat as being anything more than temporary. They are the ones whose desires are so persistently applied that defeat is finally changed into victory.:eusa_clap Those who stand on the sidelines of life see the overwhelmingly large number who go down into defeat, never to rise again. But,what few see or suspect of existing, is the silent power which comes to the rescue of those who fight on in the face of discouragement.

Katt in Hat · Oct 12, 2006

Why Do You Not Give Attribution to Those You Quote?

Lincsong said:
A few people know from experience the soundness of persistence. They are the ones who have not accepted defeat as being anything more than temporary. They are the ones whose desires are so persistently applied that defeat is finally changed into victory.:eusa_clap Those who stand on the sidelines of life see the overwhelmingly large number who go down into defeat, never to rise again. But,what few see or suspect of existing, is the silent power which comes to the rescue of those who fight on in the face of discouragement.

You have started 4 or so threads recently and it appears that many of the words and ideas are not your own, but cut and pasted. Others who use source materials acknowledge the original writer. I've read enough of your posts in past months to recognize your natural style. Or am I wrong?

Lincsong · Oct 12, 2006

Katt in Hat said:
You have started 4 or so threads recently and it appears that many of the words and ideas are not your own, but cut and pasted. Others who use source materials acknowledge the original writer. I've read enough of your posts in past months to recognize your natural style. Or am I wrong?

You haven't been reading all the threads I started last week.

Otherwise you would have already known that I've be taking Think and Grow Rich by Napolean Hill word for word.lol I never claimed any of these were my own words and ideas.

Lincsong · Mar 5, 2008

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