Ghosts, Time Travel, and Space / Inter-dimensional Neural Communication...

Bolero · Jan 26, 2016

Lean'n'mean said:
Secretly We Are Gay ?

Sophisticated Wild Ass Guess

The Big Question is Where did the Universe come from or was it created...???

It, The Universe, came about thru an Evolvement of the 4th Dimension...Space Time Continuum...

Bolero · Jan 26, 2016

Theories with Problems by Keith Mayes

I honestly think that trying to explain where the universe came from is something we will never be able to do, we are contained within the universe and our understanding is restricted to the universe, anything else is guess work. That aside, this is the best attempt of describing where the universe came from that I could come up with: An infinite eternal unchanging nothing that has always existed and has always contained a finite but unbounded closed universe that constantly changes but is itself eternal. Doesn't exactly roll of the tongue does it.

Or... there never was a Creation Event for the Universe, it has always existed...

Zombie_61 · Jan 26, 2016

Lean'n'mean said:
There is always room for the rich & famous but if does become a tight squeeze, a little culling at the lower end of the scale to thin out the herd, might be an option.

Hey, if it worked for the Titanic...

philosophygirl78 · Jan 26, 2016

Lean'n'mean said:
There are little green men on Mars, just 'cause we cain't see 'em, don't mean they ain't thar..

in anotha time perhaps....

philosophygirl78 · Jan 26, 2016

HudsonHawk said:
Hoax. There is no way in hades the U.S. Government can organize that kind of cover up. Gee wiz, the President can't even have a freak scene in his own office without the whole world finding out about it, they certainly can't have that many thousands of people keep their mouths shut for more than 10 seconds.

No powers that be are stupid... If we have thought of something, then its most certain several of their members have thought it too. The powers know there are intelligent or 'still reasoning' people so many of these 'idiot parade shows' are orchestrated for the very purpose you write about....

Now... I am not saying I believe there is a coverup for aliens, but could there be? Absolutely...

GHT · Jan 26, 2016

LizzieMaine said:
I'd also not be shocked at the discovery of alternate universes or time travel.

If time travel were possible, how come we have never seen tourists from the future, by that I mean from a time in the future when time travel has been comprehended?

philosophygirl78 · Jan 26, 2016

Time travel, in the science fiction sense is not possible. Time can only flow in one direction. Put simply, you cannot both go backwards and forward at the same point in time, from the same point in time. You would go nowhere.

But what it seems IS possible is the concept of multiple points in time occurring concurrently. Imagine a stream of water. It has many ripples, or waves. Each wave represents a point in time occurring both in conjunction and independently of the others. From one point in time and space, you would only be able to see one wave at a time (i.e. close up), but... from a different point in time and space (i.e. 12 feet away), you would be able to witness many waves at once.

Now this does not make them all 'real'. That is different concept. But, it makes them Possible. Which is a HUGE advance in understanding how the space time relation works. Not as intriguing as actual time travel, but still fascinating...

IOW, There could be life on Mars right now as we speak, but from the point in time and space we reside, we are not at the precise angle to witness it as it occurs...

Even more intriguing, is that this point in time and space may not be visible to us because it is OURSELVES in another time....

Zombie_61 · Jan 26, 2016

GHT said:
If time travel were possible, how come we have never seen tourists from the future, by that I mean from a time in the future when time travel has been comprehended?

How do you know we haven't? If mankind were ever to figure out how to travel in time, don't you think those involved might also be intelligent enough to study the era they're intending to visit, and dress and act appropriately so as not to draw attention to themselves?

philosophygirl78 said:
Time travel, in the science fiction sense is not possible. Time can only flow in one direction...

I think it would be more accurate to say that our current perception and understanding of time is that it can only flow in one direction.

Also, there are those who believe time is similar to a freeway/expressway--that past, present, and future, all occur concurrently, and that traveling to any given point in time is simply a matter of "changing lanes"; we just haven't figured out how to do that yet.

LizzieMaine · Jan 26, 2016

GHT said:
If time travel were possible, how come we have never seen tourists from the future, by that I mean from a time in the future when time travel has been comprehended?

Have you *looked* at tourists lately? Don't many of them look to you like they're "dressed up" as tourists -- that they're *trying too hard to fit in?* Sort of the way someone from 2016 would look if they time-traveled back to 1936 -- they'd be so "dressed up in period style" that they wouldn't look natural or at home in the period at all. Look at a photo of a "reenactment" and compare it to an actual period photo -- no matter how accurate their uniforms or equipment or fashions or style, if you look closely it's still blindingly obvious which is real and which isn't: the reenactment is always too precise, too careful, too studied, too self-conscious, too *perfect.* It lacks the dozens of little subtle, organic flaws that differentiate a reality from a simulation.

Isn't it possible that we're seeing the same thing around us every day? Think about it the next time someone walks past you on the street who looks *just a little too much like he belongs here.*

Of course, a civilization advanced enough to have developed time travel would no doubt also be advanced enough in its understanding not to turn such a technology over to the average citizen as a plaything -- isn't it more likely that it would send trained observers, carefully conditioned so as not to be detected, rather than oblivious cone-eating sightseers?

philosophygirl78 · Jan 27, 2016

Zombie_61 said:
How do you know we haven't? If mankind were ever to figure out how to travel in time, don't you think those involved might also be intelligent enough to study the era they're intending to visit, and dress and act appropriately so as not to draw attention to themselves?

I think it would be more accurate to say that our current perception and understanding of time is that it can only flow in one direction.

Also, there are those who believe time is similar to a freeway/expressway--that past, present, and future, all occur concurrently, and that traveling to any given point in time is simply a matter of "changing lanes"; we just haven't figured out how to do that yet.

@Zombie_61 I cannot fathom an example where a thing can exist in correlation with the non existence of itself.... It is a paradox and until someone comes up with the solution to the nature of a paradox, it is not a theory or understanding... It is Fact no?

It's not called the Grandfather paradox without reason. Simply put.. If time travel was possible, a time traveler could go back in time and destroy the time machine that took him there and commit suicide. If time travel is possible, this would have to be one possibility. But it can't because if you remove the conditions applicable for the trip, it never occurred...

HudsonHawk · Jan 27, 2016

philosophygirl78 said:
No powers that be are stupid... If we have thought of something, then its most certain several of their members have thought it too. The powers know there are intelligent or 'still reasoning' people so many of these 'idiot parade shows' are orchestrated for the very purpose you write about....

Now... I am not saying I believe there is a coverup for aliens, but could there be? Absolutely...

I didn't say our government was stupid. I said I think the logistics of that kind of coverup, involving that many people, for that length of time exceed their demonstrated ability.

HudsonHawk · Jan 27, 2016

GHT said:
If time travel were possible, how come we have never seen tourists from the future, by that I mean from a time in the future when time travel has been comprehended?

The Prime Directive.

JimWagner · Jan 27, 2016

LizzieMaine said:
Have you *looked* at tourists lately? Don't many of them look to you like they're "dressed up" as tourists -- that they're *trying too hard to fit in?* Sort of the way someone from 2016 would look if they time-traveled back to 1936 -- they'd be so "dressed up in period style" that they wouldn't look natural or at home in the period at all. Look at a photo of a "reenactment" and compare it to an actual period photo -- no matter how accurate their uniforms or equipment or fashions or style, if you look closely it's still blindingly obvious which is real and which isn't: the reenactment is always too precise, too careful, too studied, too self-conscious, too *perfect.* It lacks the dozens of little subtle, organic flaws that differentiate a reality from a simulation.

Isn't it possible that we're seeing the same thing around us every day? Think about it the next time someone walks past you on the street who looks *just a little too much like he belongs here.*

Of course, a civilization advanced enough to have developed time travel would no doubt also be advanced enough in its understanding not to turn such a technology over to the average citizen as a plaything -- isn't it more likely that it would send trained observers, carefully conditioned so as not to be detected, rather than oblivious cone-eating sightseers?

You may just be on to something, Lizzie.

A few years ago a new shopping mall opened up near us. The first few times we went over there I noticed a number of 20-something female shoppers who were quite fashionably dressed, tall, in heels, perfectly made up, carrying store shopping bags and going in and out of the stores. Much classier than the usual mall denizens. After a couple of weeks they were nowhere to be found, just the usual crowd of overweight, sloppy mall rats.

I thought that maybe the mall itself had hired a bunch of models to wander around to class up the joint and attract buyers during the first days of business. But now I'm thinking maybe they were time traveling aliens buying up vintage clothing before it got all picked over.

LizzieMaine · Jan 27, 2016

philosophygirl78 said:
@Zombie_61 I cannot fathom an example where a thing can exist in correlation with the non existence of itself.... It is a paradox and until someone comes up with the solution to the nature of a paradox, it is not a theory or understanding... It is Fact no?

It's not called the Grandfather paradox without reason. Simply put.. If time travel was possible, a time traveler could go back in time and destroy the time machine that took him there and commit suicide. If time travel is possible, this would have to be one possibility. But it can't because if you remove the conditions applicable for the trip, it never occurred...

Or history is simply immutable. You can't kill your grandfather -- or yourself. You can try, but something will always prevent that from happening. Because it didn't happen. You can't kill Hitler, you can't stop Pearl Harbor, you can't prevent the Titanic from sinking, you can't save Lincoln. And if you travel back in time to witness those events, you were always a part of those events in the first place.

But suppose you do travel back in time -- a time warp opens in front of you, you fall in, and you can't get home. To 2016, you've disappeared without a trace. Think of how many people have just "disappeared off the face of the earth," and no trace of them has ever been found. Dorothy Arnold. Ambrose Bierce. Judge Crater. Wallace D. Fard. Barbara Newhall Follett. And that's just some of the famous people -- think of how many unknowns, people you've never heard of and will never hear of, who one day just upped and disappeared. Maybe they lived out their lives, under assumed identities, in another time. Who's to say that's impossible?

LuvMyMan · Jan 27, 2016

I am far from an expert, but it is from Einstein that a person cannot go forward in time, as it has not "happened" yet, but could go back in time, to what has already happened (theory of it all). BUT as it is, we as a human race do not have all the answers. We have our limited educational knowledge based upon the discovered mathematics that we know. Yet there are even some things right here on our Earth, that as modern man goes, we cannot duplicate.

Like these stone walls...
http://www.ancient-origins.net/anci...ind-megalithic-stone-walls-saksaywaman-001470

And other such "wonders of the world" we could not duplicate even with all our modern technology.

LuvMyMan · Jan 27, 2016

HudsonHawk said:
So driving in to work today, I heard Marty Robbins's El Paso City, and it reminded me of this thread. It also reminded me how great Marty Robbins was. So pardon me, if I'm a little sentimental...

An excerpt:

My mind is down there somewhere
As I fly above the badlands of New Mexico
I can't explain why I should know
The very trail he rode back to El Paso

Can it be that man can disappear
From life and live another time
And does the mystery deepen 'cause you think
That you yourself lived in that other time

Somewhere in my deepest thoughts
Familiar scenes and memories unfold
These wild and unexplained emotions
That I've had so long but I have never told

Like every time I fly up through the heavens
And I see you there below
I get the feeling sometime
In another world I lived in El Paso

El Paso City by the Rio Grande
Could it be that I could be
The cowboy in this mystery
That died there in that desert sand so long ago

El Paso City by the Rio Grande
A voice tells me to go and see
Another voice keeps tellin' me
Maybe death awaits me in El Paso

Marty was one of the great REAL singers of Country Western of our time. He ranks right up there with Eddy Arnold, and a few others that are sure missed!

LuvMyMan · Jan 27, 2016

Lean'n'mean said:
Bowie wouldn't have liked that otherwise he would have arranged to be cryogenically frozen. Even if a 'cure' for cancer(s) is found at some point in the future, once you're dead, you is deaded, it's highly unlikely the boffins will ever be able to resurrect the dead or repair the tissue damage caused by the cancer & the deep freezing.

Yes I also agree, the so called "frozen head" they do for a person instead of the entire body. Not too smart a thing to do, what if they COULD bring a person back from the "deep freeze"???? You would be REALLY "miffed" that others spent the additional $12.95 a month to have their whole body frozen, while being a tight wad would mean only your head made it! But I do not think even in a few tens of thousands of years, that mankind could restore life in a body....think about it. If mankind progressed to that degree, people would just be made out of nothing! Some small cube of carbon placed in a vile of water and tossed into the "humandepoofenwhopper" gizmo, and out would come a brand new shiny lil Johnny or Jill, ready to go!

As to our Top Secret files (X-Files, Project Blue Book) and the thousands of film footage from fighter pilots wingtip cameras, and the secret classified Ordinance manuals that the Military does have, with UFO information, I do think the Government has and does cover up many things.....(they do this in all areas of life, so why not with UFO's)??????

E.T. called home...for Cosmic Pizza!

LuvMyMan · Jan 27, 2016

Lean'n'mean said:
Bowie wouldn't have liked that otherwise he would have arranged to be cryogenically frozen. Even if a 'cure' for cancer(s) is found at some point in the future, once you're dead, you is deaded, it's highly unlikely the boffins will ever be able to resurrect the dead or repair the tissue damage caused by the cancer & the deep freezing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Cryonically_preserved_people

Zombie_61 · Jan 27, 2016

philosophygirl78 said:
@Zombie_61 I cannot fathom an example where a thing can exist in correlation with the non existence of itself.... It is a paradox and until someone comes up with the solution to the nature of a paradox, it is not a theory or understanding... It is Fact no?...

I'm not sure I understand the point you're trying to make here, so any attempt to reply at this point would probably just make things worse.

philosophygirl78 said:
...It's not called the Grandfather paradox without reason. Simply put.. If time travel was possible, a time traveler could go back in time and destroy the time machine that took him there and commit suicide. If time travel is possible, this would have to be one possibility. But it can't because if you remove the conditions applicable for the trip, it never occurred...

The thing that bugs me about the Grandfather paradox is that it doesn't attempt to explain in any way what would happen to Grandfather's descendants. Let's say Joe invents a working time machine, goes back in time 80 years, and kills his grandfather. What happens to Joe? He already exists. Does he just disappear, or drop dead, because the lineage that led to his birth no longer exists? Does his body die and his soul/consciousness gets transferred into another body in accordance with the new/alternate timeline he's created by killing his grandfather? And what if Joe's buddy Sam invents the time machine and kills Joe's grandfather--the outcome is the same, and the question still stands: What happens to Joe?

Now, I know the answer is, "We don't know," and I accept that. But this is an example of what I mean when I say "our current perception and understanding of time". We think we understand it, but the reality is that we don't. Not really. And certainly not thoroughly. And until we do, time travel will remain a disproven impossibility because we as a species are not yet ready to deal with the potential consequences.

Lean'n'mean · Jan 27, 2016

Another paradox of time travel is aging. Could a time traveller return in time to a point beyond where he was just a twinkle in his father's eye, or similarly, could he go forward in time beyond his alloted span, and would he get younger as he went back or older as he travelled forward. Prehaps the answer would be in the speed of travel.
For example, imagine you left a young lady at some point in a village & then you took a spin around that village at the speed of light, on returning to that woman, she would now be old, yet you would only have aged a few minutes...............that would be a form of time travel since you could advance in time by say 50 years, in a matter of minutes.....I'll leave those more qualified to explain the physics of it.

There is another point to elucidate, if we travelled back in time,would we not meet our younger selves & if so, could the two of us coexist in the same time continuum ? The Doctor says yes but we can't have physical contact, so any sexual activity between the two would be impossible. I mention that, as according to a large number of psychoanalysts, we all have an underlying desire to make love to ourselves & it would be a good opportunity to find out if we are as good a lover as we think we are.

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