Sport coat and jeans??

I never wear blue jeans with a sport coat but I do wear other colored jeans with sport coats, mostly grey and khaki jeans. I have a tough time getting over the slob factor that blue jeans and sport coat have for me. It must be that Michael Moore guy who put that in my head.

I think blue jeans and a jacket can look great if you are the right kind of guy with the right aura. You have to be a sharp guy. Hair, nails, shoes and everything, all sharp looking. And the jeans should be dark and not wrinkled up and baggy. IMO it takes a lot of work and preparation before you go out, more than I do on myself, to look good with this combo.

Truth is, I have put on blue jeans and a jacket and really like what i see in the mirror. But I know I would be self conscious all day about so I don't go outside until I have changed into something else.

Just look at those sleeve cuff buttons!



I love that unique detailing. This makes the jacket so suitable for dressing down with jeans

Lol. this thread was never intended to end up in tweed wars!

I'm not sure what kind of students who wear tweed and jeans are. Most students I know wear nothing of the sort. Then again, for most of us, comparing grown men to students on a budget is hardly an apples vs apples comparison?

Strikes me that complaining about tweed and jeans combinations, is like complaining that men wear jackets and something to cover their legs. There are so many variations of jeans: denim, 8oz, 10oz, 12 oz, sateen, selvedge, cotton twill, cavalry twill, chino, gabardine, ripstop.... and that's before even moving onto the colour and fit variations.

Anyway, I like the variation of the tweed and jeans look so 'm upgrading my pyjamas and flip-flops in the supermarket look

Wow, this topic has turned out to be quite controversial.
I think jeans look good with tweed, because both items have texture, and of course nowadays dark denim is considered something close to smart casual. Tweed was always smart casual so they are natural partners in a modern context. I don't do it myself, but I am open to the idea. If I decide to 'revert to normal' someday.

Dirk Wainscotting said:

What does it say? That I don't favour a look patronised by 99.9% of men? I can live with that. There are people with several suits hanging in their wardrobes who seem to opt for jeans just not to stand out too much. There is, I repeat, a modern aversion to wearing trousers (not made of denim) outside formal situations, in tune with the more 'relaxed' approach to dressing now favoured.

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The thing is though, imagine how much of a cliche wearing suits and sportscoats with flannels was by the 1960s. No wonder hip people wanted to get away from it, stylish or not.
Now we have come full circle I think.

Dirk Wainscotting said:

All too often it's a dull, blue or grey SB jacket in a 120 worsted, so no texture, just smoothness and even more like half a suit. Many RTW jackets have jetted flap pockets rather than patch pockets to help increase the informality..

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This is the thing I don't like. Those crisp corporate looking jackets shouldn't be seen anywhere near casual trousers.

Capesofwrath said:

My default is moleskin trousers. They really are the most comfortable winter trouser and even better than corduroy. Wouldn’t wear em with a good tweed jacket though. The reason people do wear jeans with jackets like that is because it adds an air of informality. It may have become a bit of a cliché but the reason things become cliched is because they’re popular, and they’re popular because they work. Could start wearing a skirt with a jacket of course. That would be different. Might even be smart too. Maybe compromise with a kilt? No, far too Scottish.

Don’t need to dress formally thank god. I’m long retired and I never liked wearing suits.

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Funny, I think moleskin is a natural accompaniment to tweed. I agree that it's preferable to corduroy.

I think this look from Three Days of the Condor is pretty cool and classic:

Ok maybe apart from the boot cut.

Been known to wear moleskin with tweed and other trousers too. Which was really what I was saying to DW there. He seems to be hung up on his own trip about people wearing jeans for days on end though.

Dirk Wainscotting said:

Then I'll help you. If you scroll back a little you'll see I wrote that jeans can be worn for a few days (or longer for some) without losing too much shape or needing to be pressed. They are hard-wearing (being work clothes originally. This makes them functional more than e.g. 'elegant'.

Then the chances are high you may ruin some of your clothes doing DIY.

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You’re just putting up straw-men Dirk. I’ve already written that’s got nothing to do with wearing jeans for days on end. But you just can’t see past your own hang up. It’s become a dialogue of the deaf, and I’m afraid that there are none so deaf as those who will not hear.

I don't have a hang-up about people wearing jeans for 'days on end'. I said that people can do that (and some do do that) because jeans can be worn for more than a day without having to be rested like wool trousers, are more hard-wearing and can be thrown in a washing machine. These are some (and not the sole) reason more people wear them nowadays.

My complaint is that they are not very stylish and are too commonly seen.

Try to read what I write .

Capesofwrath said:

You may think the above pics make them look dull and student like and you are entitled to your opinion. But why do you expect everyone else to share it?

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I see nothing of the sort. All that he's done is share his opinion; nowhere have he tried to convert jeans-and-sportscoat-wearers.

Take a closer look at the discussion. If anything, I'd say that you are the one that appear to expect anyone to share your opinion. I'm not saying that is the case but that's how your posts come across.

Capesofwrath said:

Why don’t you put up a couple of pictures of your look so we can see how you dress?

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How DW dress is totally irrelevant to the discussion.

Papperskatt said:

I see nothing of the sort. All that he's done is share his opinion; nowhere have he tried to convert jeans-and-sportscoat-wearers.

Take a closer look at the discussion. If anything, I'd say that you are the one that appear to expect anyone to share your opinion. I'm not saying that is the case but that's how your posts come across.


How DW dress is totally irrelevant to the discussion.

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Rubbish. He appears to have some sort of bee in his bonnet about it and is reading into my posts what he wants to read, and so are you it seems. Because nowhere have I tried to claim that my tastes should be shared by anyone else and in fact I went out of my way to say just the opposite up the thread.

He can wear a bloody barrel on straps hung from his shoulders for all I care. But it is amazing how people just don’t read posts and see what they want to see in them. As you just did….

Dirk Wainscotting said:

I don't have a hang-up about people wearing jeans for 'days on end'. I said that people can do that (and some do do that) because jeans can be worn for more than a day without having to be rested like wool trousers, are more hard-wearing and can be thrown in a washing machine. These are some (and not the sole) reason more people wear them nowadays.

My complaint is that they are not very stylish and are too commonly seen.

Try to read what I write .

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Actually I did. It wasn’t what you just wrote there either.

Capesofwrath said:

He can wear a bloody barrel on straps hung from his shoulders for all I care.

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This is exactly what I wear. Tweed jacket over a barrel and it's a lot better than jeans.

"My complaint is that they are not very stylish and are too commonly seen."

Dirk...that reasoning could apply to people...cars.....houses.....jackets, or any fabric covering lower limbs, or anything in any quantity or large numbers. When I worked at Canary Wharf (the city of London), virtually no one wears jeans!

Have a look at this pair of boring jeans:



You or I might not think or care for it, and just write it down as another pair of blue jeans. Here is what the designer says:

"Mr Hiroki Nakamura says its 'Social Sculpture' denim line is "constructed from the yarn up". The process of dismantling and reconstructing by hand creates pieces that are hardy and resilient but also artisanal and unique. Made in Japan, this '04' pair have been indigo-dyed and are finished with selvedge stitching on the inside seam - a true mark of quality."

Visvim, the designer label, have constructed what the market considers, a uniquely stylish pair of jeans, with a specific method of construction. It's a mistake to think that jeans can just be 'thrown in the washing machine'. Many of the selvedge constructed jeans, require a 6 month wear + no wash period in order for the colour to develop by the time of its first wash (ewwww!). That is - they require more diligence and care, than just throwing any pair of flannel or gabardine trousers in a dry cleaner.

The "norm-core" philosophy of modern clothing, can be understood like "hardcore" was to the 1970's. The younger generation, do not want to stand out wearing a retro 1930's suit, or some business suit. They want to blend in anonymously, wearing designer labels making the same genus or kind of clothing, with incredible attention to detailing. They want to look 'normal', until you get up close, but also have an inverse snobbery, whereby they sneer at people who can't understand why they would pay £500 for a pair of jeans. That's right - this pair costs around as much as a 3 piece suit (around $750).

Visvim are stylish alright - not my kind of style personally, although they sell out each season with high demand by an elite normcore cult of fashion lovers.

Just saying....beware of dissing blue jeans and tweed!

Benproof said:

The "norm-core" philosophy of modern clothing, can be understood like "hardcore" was to the 1970's. The younger generation, do not want to stand out wearing a retro 1930's suit, or some business suit. They want to blend in anonymously, wearing designer labels making the same genus or kind of clothing, with incredible attention to detailing. They want to look 'normal', until you get up close, but also have an inverse snobbery, whereby they sneer at people who can't understand why they would pay £500 for a pair of jeans. That's right - this pair costs around as much as a 3 piece suit (around $750).

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If you have to get that close to someone's jeans to see the "quality", and feel 500 quid for a pair of jeans is not only okay but admirable, you're better off sending me the money instead.

You'll still look "normal", you won't have anyone hanging around your crotch admiring your "seams", and I'll be $1000 Canadian richer.

Mr_D. said:

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Agree or disagree?

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Not a look I'd go for, but it's okay and certainly better than some other "dressed up" looks.

The Japanese fellow's appreciation of his product is marketing spiel. 'Selvedge edges'? Why is there such a haze of mystique around this? A selvedge is nothing more than the edges on cloth as they are held on the loom. It's not magic and it imparts no magic qualities to anything incorporating it, apart from that it naturally doesn't ravel and is thin finished edge; which is why trouser makers save it for cutting their fittings from - facings etc.

To get shape into your jeans - like any trousers - you have to cut some curved edges and that means the selvedge edge is useless. In any case you could only have it on either the inseams or the outseams, so the other seams have to be finished with a closed seam, as they often are. In the picture above, the jeans have a felled seam on the inseams, which contradicts the description. 'Selvedge stitching' is something I can't even conceptualise, it's meaningless.

I actually wear jeans. I like them. Not the particularly skinny ones with ludicrous turn-ups, but proven sturdy ones like Lee, Wrangler, Levis (my current ones are 512's and are very well made) and a few others if I find them. Would I wear a tweed jacket with them? Personally no, for the same reason I wouldn't wear a denim shirt with a tweed suit: I feel they don't belong together. It looks like effort from the neck to the waist and an afterthought thereafter to the ankles. What's the point of having a good jacket and wrinkled, fairly shapeless trousers (as they would be with a straight-cut seam)?

I admit some bias. I am a trouser-maker and I see a lot of bad trousers (jeans) being worn. In the last few years it has not been uncommon for people to turn up to consultations or fittings wearing low-rise jeans and somehow hoping this is what they'll get rendered in tweed or flannel or whatever they choose. I wonder why they bother. They always turn up wearing a relatively good jacket and you can see thought has been put into it, but trousers now seem to be an afterthought. Assuming a man reaches that point at all. Most men are walking around in okay-to-good jackets and abysmal trousers. It doesn't require deep analysis, just clear vision.

I rather like the look, especially in the style of JK Simmons in the Farmers Insurance commercials. I think it's a great way to dress up in a casual environment. I'm not saying it fits in where one should clearly be wearing a suit, but it looks great in the t-shirt/polo and jeans world in which we live.



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he looks like he could be Victor Mildrew

(google that!)

"I am a trouser-maker and I see a lot of bad trousers (jeans) being worn."

Yay! I like trousers too. Compared to skirts or dresses. Over here, everything gets badly worn. Round here (in my house), everything gets badly worn by the feline claws. I have to wear ripstop jeans, otherwise I bleed through the other side lol. For me, wearing some kind of feline-proof rabbit fence clothing is mostly functional. Cashmere and alpaca wool get shredded very quickly.....tweed, strangely survives!

Dirk - any idea why cavalry twill is so hard to find these days?

Oooh...neck and neck: 50:50 for and against tweed & jeans.

I bet the USA primary caucuses aren't this exciting!

Here is another example of selvedge edging - by the Hill Side Company, in chambray.

I personally don't know if there is any mystique about this. It reminds me when I was about 5 years old, we were taught to collect postage stamps with the edge markings from the printed sheet from which all the stamps were pressed from, called 'gutter pairs'. They had a white non-functional postal white band stamped out, but reflected their position from the whole stamp sheet.

Like this:



Anyway, I don't want to knock denim selvedge purists, who consider their own interests in their own art with their own values. I too wouldn't pay that much for a pair of jeans, although they probably wouldn't pay what half the guys here pay for a leather jacket or a fedora either..... so respect! Even if I can't stand crotch jeans (and yes - I have tried them accidentally and it felt like walking with pants down in public ..)

Benproof said:

Round here (in my house), everything gets badly worn by the feline claws. I have to wear ripstop jeans, otherwise I bleed through the other side lol. For me, wearing some kind of feline-proof rabbit fence clothing is mostly functional. Cashmere and alpaca wool get shredded very quickly.....tweed, strangely survives!

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I often find myself changing to jeans or some other tough clothes as soon as I come home since having cats. Still, it helps a lot to cut off the tips of their claws to prevent messy and potentially (garment)life-threatening situations.

Benproof said:

he looks like he could be Victor Mildrew

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Meldrew! Now that would make him irate.

Benproof said:

Dirk - any idea why cavalry twill is so hard to find these days

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It's available from several cloth suppliers, like Huddersfield who sell it in about five colours. Now, whether it's exactly the same as twill from 40-50 years back, well... a lot of cloths have changed.

"I often find myself changing to jeans or some other tough clothes as soon as I come home since having cats. Still, it helps a lot to cut off the tips of their claws to prevent messy and potentially (garment)life-threatening situations."

My success rate at clipping his claws is much worse than his success rate of clawing me for trying.

Yes, my work colleagues wonder why half my wardrobe is in the office for the same reason ....