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moontheloon · Jul 24, 2017

Fedoras4Life said:
Thank you for the reply moontheloon. I look forward to seeing your reference pictures.

I can't locate any of the photos ... they must be on one of my flash drives at home ... I'll check later

but if you google vintage 52 hat block I'm sure some pictures will come up

Fedoras4Life · Jul 24, 2017

moontheloon said:
I can't locate any of the photos ... they must be on one of my flash drives at home ... I'll check later

but if you google vintage 52 hat block I'm sure some pictures will come up

I had tried that already, maybe eBay has some past auction photos I can find. Thank you for the help.

Michael A · Jul 24, 2017

moontheloon said:
it was pretty much always on the black keyhole tags like that but seemed to disappear on some in the early 50s for a period of time ... I believe sometime during or around the OPS era ?

that looks to be maybe a 50s tag? ... what hat is it attached to ?

maybe this thread will help

http://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/dating-vintage-stetsons-by-size-tag.46483/

Thanks Anthony, that was the thread I was remembering. Don't know why it didn't come up in my search. None of my OR, which I'm taking to be early to mid 50s have the Stetson on them. This is on a Royal Deluxe fedora.

IMG_5638 by Michael A2012, on Flickr

IMG_5654 crop by Michael A2012, on Flickr
I just worked up the nerve to turn out the sweat and see what tag is under there and I think it's a fairly modern one. I don't have the photos on the computer yet, but I'll put them up when I do.

And while I'm asking questions, is this Stetson's mode edge?

IMG_5661 by Michael A2012, on Flickr

Thanks,
Michael

moontheloon · Jul 24, 2017

Michael A said:
Thanks Anthony, that was the thread I was remembering. Don't know why it didn't come up in my search. None of my OR, which I'm taking to be early to mid 50s have the Stetson on them. This is on a Royal Deluxe fedora.
IMG_5638 by Michael A2012, on Flickr
IMG_5654 crop by Michael A2012, on Flickr
I just worked up the nerve to turn out the sweat and see what tag is under there and I think it's a fairly modern one. I don't have the photos on the computer yet, but I'll put them up when I do.

And while I'm asking questions, is this Stetson's mode edge?
IMG_5661 by Michael A2012, on Flickr

Thanks,
Michael

that's a 50s hat ... and that looks to be a Mode Edge ... I'd need more pictures though

I would have said 100% that it is until I saw the underwelt on one of my Flagships that has a hidden stitch.... or "ghost stitch" as I've hear it called

Michael A · Jul 24, 2017

moontheloon said:
that's a 50s hat ... and that looks to be a Mode Edge ... I'd need more pictures though

I would have said 100% that it is until I saw the underwelt on one of my Flagships that has a hidden stitch.... or "ghost stitch" as I've hear it called

I think my brain had the Stetson on the tag thing turned around so that it was the early 50s when it was there and not before or after. Anyway, I was working on the assumption it was 50s and trying to figure out if early or late. The size tag is something that looks more modern than my OR's and I can't seem to find my Royal fedora at the moment.

IMG_5664 crop by Michael A2012, on Flickr

Here is another shot of the edge. There is now stitching on the bottom side that I can see, even under light magnification.

IMG_5670 by Michael A2012, on Flickr
2 1/2" brim, ~5 3/4" open crown.

IMG_5643 crop by Michael A2012, on Flickr

Thanks,
Michael

moontheloon · Jul 24, 2017

Michael A said:
I think my brain had the Stetson on the tag thing turned around so that it was the early 50s when it was there and not before or after. Anyway, I was working on the assumption it was 50s and trying to figure out if early or late. The size tag is something that looks more modern than my OR's and I can't seem to find my Royal fedora at the moment.
IMG_5664 crop by Michael A2012, on Flickr

Here is another shot of the edge. There is now stitching on the bottom side that I can see, even under light magnification.
IMG_5670 by Michael A2012, on Flickr
2 1/2" brim, ~5 3/4" open crown.
IMG_5643 crop by Michael A2012, on Flickr

Thanks,
Michael

that reorder tag is mid to late 50s most likely ... they started showing up around '52 I believe and stayed into the early 60s ....

and that looks to be a mode edge

nice hat ... I believe it is mid to late 50s

Michael A · Jul 24, 2017

moontheloon said:
that reorder tag is mid to late 50s most likely ... they started showing up around '52 I believe and stayed into the early 60s ....

and that looks to be a mode edge

nice hat ... I believe it is mid to late 50s

Thanks Anthony. I didn't realize that those reorder tags went that far back. So I'll feel safe in telling other people it's a 50s hat and I'll feel comfortable telling myself that it is a '52 hat since that would make it the same year model as yours truly. Ha ha.

Thanks,
Michael

moontheloon · Jul 24, 2017

Michael A said:
Thanks Anthony. I didn't realize that those reorder tags went that far back. So I'll feel safe in telling other people it's a 50s hat and I'll feel comfortable telling myself that it is a '52 hat since that would make it the same year model as yours truly. Ha ha.

Thanks,
Michael

they say those tags started showing up around 1952 .... they still used the orange and red tags for many years at the same time ... while transitioning I guess

I feel strongly that your hat is a mid to late 50s offering ... gorgeous piece indeed

Frunobulax · Jul 24, 2017

Fedoras4Life said:
Thank you for the reply moontheloon. I look forward to seeing your reference pictures.

Here is a Chicago Hatters Supply #52 (5 3/4" height).

Front

Side

Sent directly from my mind to yours.

Fedoras4Life · Jul 24, 2017

Frunobulax said:
Here is a Chicago Hatters Supply #52 (5 3/4" height).

Front

Side

Sent directly from my mind to yours.

That explains the small headache I had a couple minutes ago

thanks a lot for the photos. I can see what moon was saying about the taper.

Michael A · Jul 24, 2017

moontheloon said:
they say those tags started showing up around 1952 .... they still used the orange and red tags for many years at the same time ... while transitioning I guess

I feel strongly that your hat is a mid to late 50s offering ... gorgeous piece indeed

Thanks Anthony. I appreciate your help and your appreciation of the hat. I agree with you on the dating completely. So to recap, to me it will be a 1952 hat because I'm easy with lying to myself if it's supported by the least possibility, to the hoi polloi it will be a '50s hat, and to hat people it will be a mid to late '50s hat. Ha ha. And in for a penny, in for a pound, I'll put my last photos here too.

IMG_5636 by Michael A2012, on Flickr

IMG_5639 by Michael A2012, on Flickr

IMG_5648 by Michael A2012, on Flickr

Thanks again Anthony

BobHufford · Jul 24, 2017

Michael A said:

Gorgeous hat Michael! Congrats.

moontheloon · Jul 24, 2017

Michael A said:
Thanks Anthony. I appreciate your help and your appreciation of the hat. I agree with you on the dating completely. So to recap, to me it will be a 1952 hat because I'm easy with lying to myself if it's supported by the least possibility, to the hoi polloi it will be a '50s hat, and to hat people it will be a mid to late '50s hat. Ha ha. And in for a penny, in for a pound, I'll put my last photos here too.
IMG_5636 by Michael A2012, on Flickr
IMG_5639 by Michael A2012, on Flickr
IMG_5648 by Michael A2012, on Flickr

Thanks again Anthony

my pleasure Michael

and I tend to lean heavy on the mid part of my mid to late 50s estimate

Mustang Mike's Hats · Jul 26, 2017

Thought I had a number for a hat liner supplier (Sheldon at NAS) Looks like I may have that number incorrect as it appeared to ring to a private residence. Anyone out there have a number for this vendor, or ... maybe another vendor for liners? Thanks gang!

humanshoes · Jul 26, 2017

Hey Mike, If it's NES your referring to then maybe this information will help. I've spoken to them about their liners, just haven't ordered any from them yet.
NES Enterprises Inc 513 Washington Avenue Carlstadt, NJ 07072-2802 Phone (201) 964-1400 NESenterprises@aol.com

Mustang Mike's Hats · Jul 26, 2017

humanshoes said:
Hey Mike, If it's NES your referring to then maybe this information will help. I've spoken to them about their liners, just haven't ordered any from them yet.
NES Enterprises Inc 513 Washington Avenue Carlstadt, NJ 07072-2802 Phone (201) 964-1400 NESenterprises@aol.com

Yep... My spelling skills are about as bad as my memory!

Thanks!!

Fedoras4Life · Jul 26, 2017

Mustang Mike's Hats said:
Yep... My spelling skills are about as bad as my memory! Thanks!!

I believe they have a 10 dozen minimum though.

Willybob · Jul 26, 2017

Hello. I have a question for you panama aficionados. I was just gifted a David Morgan panama fedora woven from toquilla fiber. Its an inexpensive had with a very low weave count.How shapable is this hat? Im used to working with fur felt so this is new to me. Is this fiber safe to steam, wet and shape or should I just enjoy it as is? I don't want to wreck it. Thank you for any info you can provide. Willybob.

Mustang Mike's Hats · Jul 26, 2017

Fedoras4Life said:
I believe they have a 10 dozen minimum though.

Ouch!

belfastboy · Jul 26, 2017

Willybob said:
Hello. I have a question for you panama aficionados. I was just gifted a David Morgan panama fedora woven from toquilla fiber. Its an inexpensive had with a very low weave count.How shapable is this hat? Im used to working with fur felt so this is new to me. Is this fiber safe to steam, wet and shape or should I just enjoy it as is? I don't want to wreck it. Thank you for any info you can provide. Willybob.

I had a decent panama with a telescope bash I really grew to dislike. Sent it to Mike at NW Hats and he totally reworked it to a really nice teardrop so I know it can be done. Can't offer any insight on the HOW!

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