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• Oct 13, 2019

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Hi everybody,
I buy a long time ago this Schott with hand cut on the label ??
And today I found there are parts of that jacket in vinyl inside the zipper arms and inside the jacket on the back(red sign).
Have you ever see that ? All the stitch’s around looks original !
Do have any ideas of that or have you see that ?
The leather is great someone take of the stars on the shoulders.
Thank you.

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• Oct 13, 2019

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Yep, its normal, they did that in the 70s quite a bit.
I have a Schott 602 that has the bottom hem lined in vinyl, i know they also did it on the lower end perfectos (cycle riders tag maybe?)
I don't know the timeline of it, but i have seen it before.

Apparently the late 40s perfecto had that too:

Late 1940's - The 613 One Star is introduced. Jackets are made out of horsehide. Neck label is rectangular, black with Perfecto App U.S Pat ??? Genuine Horsehide Front Quarter - Style Quality printed in gold letters. TALON main and cuff zippers and 'Miter' belt buckle. Zipper pulls in the shape of a ring. Side pockets are at an approx. 60° angle and breast pocket at a 50° angle, zippers close up. Jackets have snaps for attaching fur collar, no snaps on collar, plain snaps, sleeves are double stitched, epaulettes are also double stitched and have a rounded end. Stitching on collar is placed further in than it is on lapels. Lining is black with grid stitching. Straight lower back panel and underside of sleeves are one piece. Inner lower facing and sleeve placates are made out of faux leather/vinyl.

Source: https://www.schottnyc.com/forum/posts/schott_perfecto_timeline.htm

@ksozay will probably know, he has a collection of perfectos.

Here is my Schott with a vinyl bottom hem lining:

https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/schott-602-police-jacket.96133/

 

• Oct 13, 2019

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Thank you Carlos,but why they do that ?
The vinyl is a very good quality.


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• Oct 13, 2019

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leolou said:

Thank you Carlos,but why they do that ?
The vinyl is a very good quality.


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Only reason i can think of is cost cutting measure, or they thought the vinyl would be more resistent than leather for that specific use.
If you look at the pictures on my jacket, they did it in the area that was rubbing on the duty belt.
Maybe vinyl resists better than leather when it is rubbing on a gun and handcuffs.
Maybe its just cheaper... Only Schott knows.

 

• Oct 13, 2019

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What @Carlos840 said, though I've never seen one that had vinyl utilized to this extent. Mine had vinyl inner facing and a patch pocket.

Curiously enough, none of the Dur*O*Jac Perfectos that I've seen had faux leather bits.

 

• Oct 13, 2019

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I guess Buco did it too, but still!

 

• Oct 13, 2019

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I wonder if this jacket is the "missing link" between when Schott used to sew the belt in the correct position and nowadays when they sew it in too high. In the photo below they got the left-hand belt sewn in okay, but the right-hand belt is too high (and today they sew it in even higher).

 

• Oct 13, 2019

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Good eyes !
I will see that tomorrow


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• Oct 15, 2019

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Doctor Damage said:

I wonder if this jacket is the "missing link" between when Schott used to sew the belt in the correct position and nowadays when they sew it in too high. In the photo below they got the left-hand belt sewn in okay, but the right-hand belt is too high (and today they sew it in even higher).

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I will be very disappointed with that flaw


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• Oct 15, 2019

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Fortehus said:

I will be very disappointed with that flaw


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That's classic Schott attention to detail...
Of all the jackets i own, my three Schotts are the ones with the poorest stitching and the most obvious flaws.
Every jacket has at least 3 obvious flaws, which is the highest of all the brands i own.
I would expect something like that from a Schott jacket.

 

• Oct 15, 2019

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I've only owned three Schott jackets myself but they were among the best made jackets I have owned. Perfect stitching and general manufacture. I'm just not wild about their designs. And their past use of vinyl revolts me.

The worst made jackets I have even owned are by Brooks and they are also my favorite jackets - best patterns and most character. But errant stitching, misaligned zips, shoddy lining, bland leather etc.

 

• Aug 26, 2020

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what I just noticed was actually (in the first photos, top left), the insertion positions of the two belts are not of the same height?! I guess that's the epitome of an asymmetrical leather jacket

 

• Aug 26, 2020

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Doctor Damage said:

I wonder if this jacket is the "missing link" between when Schott used to sew the belt in the correct position and nowadays when they sew it in too high. In the photo below they got the left-hand belt sewn in okay, but the right-hand belt is too high (and today they sew it in even higher).

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darn it, I guess i wasn't the first one who noticed, it's so obvious most of us collectors should see it...

 

• Aug 27, 2020

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Nice catch regius on the belt mis-alignment, takes a sharp eye.

As to the vinyl - the '70's was almost the era of Vinyl - it was everywhere. Many jackets, automobile seats, shoes, etc. As a kid growing up in the 70's I recall sticking quite well to sweaty, sticky, hot vinyl seats in the car often. Not to mention it was the era of the 33-rpm vinyl record.

It was also an era that brought in measures like cost cutting - and this is simply an example of that. It is very common today. That jacket was made 30-40 years ago, it is what it is. I would wear it and not worry about it, or sell it along if it's not to your liking.