Lost Worlds - what's your leather/ lining preference?

steve u · Feb 12, 2020

TEST with 15 oz. cotton Duck lining. Below 0 ..I layer a sweater.

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Carlos840 · Feb 12, 2020

steve u said:
TEST with 15 oz. cotton Duck lining. Below 0 ..I layer a sweater.

From I.O.W.A. (idiots out wandering around)

You just confirmed my point!
Most normal human beings would die in 0F (-18c!) with only a sweater and a leather jacket, it's full on B-3 weather, but here you are, not even wearing gloves.

From now on i will never take advice about clothing warmth from people from Iowa, Chicago, Croatia or Canada, you guys have a bad factory tune up and have no idea what cold feels like!

(saying that the Scots and the Geordies should probably make it onto that list.)

Monitor · Feb 12, 2020

Carlos840 said:
You just confirmed my point!
Most normal human beings would die in 0F (-18c!) with only a sweater and a leather jacket, it's full on B-3 weather, but here you are, not even wearing gloves.

From now on i will never take advice about clothing warmth from people from Iowa, Chicago, Croatia or Canada, you guys have a bad factory tune up and have no idea what cold feels like!

(saying that the Scots and the Geordies should probably make it onto that list.)

I survived a Winnipeg winter in a Vanson Model B!

Carlos840 · Feb 12, 2020

Monitor said:
I survived a Winnipeg winter in a Vanson Model B!

The average low temp in Dec-Jan-Feb in Winnipeg is 0F-5F (-15c -18c)
My theory is confirmed, you are a freak of nature!

ton312 · Feb 12, 2020

Carlos840 said:
I agree with @JMax regarding the quilted liner.
@AeroFan_07 's review was one of the ones that made me wonder if i should pay extra to have cotton drill in my J-23. I decided to take the risk and went with the stock quilting.
In the end it works absolutely fine and i don't find it warmer than Strome tartan.
I have worn the jacket comfortably from 20F to 60F, (-5 to 15c) from 20F to 40F i wear the mutton collar, from 40f to 60f i take it off. I admit that above 60f i would go for something thinner with a cotton liner.

In retrospect, it seems the three people who have a problem with it in this thread (Aerofan, Ton and Monitor) are from Iowa, Chicao and Croatia, all cold places, maybe you guys are just the kind of people who go out in a tshirt when it is freezing?
Because i run pretty warm for a Londoner but can still feel the cold like a "normal" human being, and that liner has never been a problem in my part of the world.

I stop wearing jackets at 50 degrees, unless I want to sport something in denim. It's not required though. I can go without it for sure. 50 and up is moving into t-shirt weather. Except in the Fall, when I really miss wearing a jacket.

AeroFan_07 · Feb 12, 2020

antoine p said:
Hey AeroFan. I live in Chicago. I grew up in Los Angeles and do go back to California for substantial visits a few times a year.

This is good to know. I maybe should have been a bit more specific in my original post… I'm not looking for a winter jacket here. Something to layer under on warmer winter days, perhaps. I'd say something great to wear from around 40º (with sweater, button up, undershirt) to around 70º (with button up shirt, undershirt) is what I'm aiming for.

I hear you, that makes sense. I must say I am curious about the rayon too, I wonder if it's worth it.

Thanks for your help!

Hello, give your data on Chicago and the 40-70F I would avoid any of these with the "Quilted" lining. The rest of these should be fine. Leather weight makes rather little differance in terms of actual warmth that I have noted, regardless of brand.

oneterrifichog · Feb 12, 2020

Here are a couple of shots showing some linings I have procured from Lost Worlds over the years. The Green quilted lining is exceptionally warm and this jacket has it in the sleeves as well. It wears well too as I have owned this jacket for about 7 years. The black quilted lining on the J-24 has flattened out considerably over the years but the jacket is still warm and comfortable. This jacket is about 20 years old. Both of these jackets have # 10 Crown Zips for the main zip. The Denim and Horse J-23 has Denim lining throughout with a #8 darkened brass zip which is fine for a light jacket like this. The Roadhouse has the heavy duty satin lining and is perfect for this 4 oz plus horsehide jacket with a #10 Crown Zip. All are Horsehide and 4 oz except the denim and horse which is the midweight 3 oz horse.

Monitor · Feb 12, 2020

oneterrifichog said:
Here are a couple of shots showing some linings I have procured from Lost Worlds over the years. The Green quilted lining is exceptionally warm and this jacket has it in the sleeves as well. It wears well too as I have owned this jacket for about 7 years. The black quilted lining on the J-24 has flattened out considerably over the years but the jacket is still warm and comfortable. This jacket is about 20 years old. Both of these jackets have # 10 Crown Zips for the main zip. The Denim and Horse J-23 has Denim lining throughout with a #8 darkened brass zip which is fine for a light jacket like this. The Roadhouse has the heavy duty satin lining and is perfect for this 4 oz plus horsehide jacket with a #10 Crown Zip. All are Horsehide and 4 oz except the denim and horse which is the midweight 3 oz horse.

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Is the green quilted liner warmer than the regular quilted one?

AeroFan_07 · Feb 12, 2020

Monitor said:
Is the green quilted liner warmer than the regular quilted one?

Montior - I would not think so, however it sure does look great!

Hh121 · Feb 12, 2020

LW quilted lining is useless, too cold in winter, too warm in spring/fall.
Also the quilted lining will become thinner and less warm over years, I would stick with heavy satin lining.

oneterrifichog · Feb 13, 2020

Monitor said:
Is the green quilted liner warmer than the regular quilted one?

The green quilted is warm to me. I have used this jacket for winter riding with 3 different bikes over the years down to the low 30’s at around 60 mph. It helps that the sleeves are lined with the quilted lining too. Note the quilting is much tighter than the black. This has been my winter riding jacket for years.

antoine p · Feb 13, 2020

steve u said:
TEST with 15 oz. cotton Duck lining. Below 0 ..I layer a sweater.

From I.O.W.A. (idiots out wandering around)

Thanks for sharing steve. The back of this jacket looks fantastic- it's striking! Excellent propotional balance, perfect fit. Wear it in good health.

antoine p · Feb 13, 2020

oneterrifichog said:
Here are a couple of shots showing some linings I have procured from Lost Worlds over the years. The Green quilted lining is exceptionally warm and this jacket has it in the sleeves as well. It wears well too as I have owned this jacket for about 7 years. The black quilted lining on the J-24 has flattened out considerably over the years but the jacket is still warm and comfortable. This jacket is about 20 years old. Both of these jackets have # 10 Crown Zips for the main zip. The Denim and Horse J-23 has Denim lining throughout with a #8 darkened brass zip which is fine for a light jacket like this. The Roadhouse has the heavy duty satin lining and is perfect for this 4 oz plus horsehide jacket with a #10 Crown Zip. All are Horsehide and 4 oz except the denim and horse which is the midweight 3 oz horse.

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Thanks a lot for sharing oneterrifichog. Everything looks great, but that green quilt in particular has caught my eye.
In researching LW I have of course come across a few of your threads. What an excellent collection. I've got to say your J24 is my favorite... simply a stunning piece of clothing. I'm not in the market for a cross zip, but it has me dreaming about the possibilities with studs and jewels.

antoine p · Feb 13, 2020

Carlos840 said:
I have quite a few jackets from different makers and LW has shot straight to number 1 for me.

Carlos, thanks for contributing. I have got to say that I admire your rigor here on TFL. Your threads, experience and insight have been extremely helpful.

Carlos840 said:
I admit that above 60f i would go for something thinner with a cotton liner.

What would you reach for? Off the bike, what would your ideal 40º-70ºF LW makeup be?

antoine p · Feb 13, 2020

AeroFan_07 said:
I have owned two LW's - a J23 with Quilted lining I ordered new from Stu, and a Ryder purchased here with the simple Rayon lining (and cotton innner lining). Both were 4 oz Horsehide.

The J23 was simply too warm for anything above ~40F. And the leather was so think and got so cold it was basically un-usuable below 20F. Wool and Down jackets are a lot better at that point, as Logician mentioned.

Aerofan, I'm sorry to return to this but I am curious. What did you make of the rayon lining? Why did you pass it on? And what temperatures do you think it would be suited for?

Logician · Feb 13, 2020

antoine p said:
Thanks for your help Logician. It's great to hear from someone with such extensive experience with the brand.

Do you think you (or anyone else) could describe this in detail? In my experience, I've found some clothing with synthetic fibers makes me sweat a bit more than others. Is this what you're describing here? Or something else?

Other than looks, what makes you decide between your 4oz/ satin suburbans and the 4.5oz/ cotton tests on any given day?
And why do you think that the satin or cotton are the stock specs for those specific jackets?

"In my experience, I've found some clothing with synthetic fibers makes me sweat a bit more than others. Is this what you're describing here? Or something else?"

Answer: It is exactly what I meant.

"Other than looks, what makes you decide between your 4oz/ satin suburbans and the 4.5oz/ cotton tests on any given day?"

Answer: As I said before it was, in both cases (Suburbans and Tests), the standard linings that came with these particular designs. The only exception being the sheepskin liner which I chose because I wanted a warmer jacket. But this was a custom order with an upcharge of $200-$300$ (can't remember the exact amount).

"And why do you think that the satin or cotton are the stock specs for those specific jackets?"

Here's what I think. IMO the Suburban is a slightly more casual jacket than the Test. Also, satin makes it easier to put on the jacket than cotton. The Test with its cotton lining is a more rigid jacket. It also has cuffs to prevent air from entering through the sleeves. That's why I think it's warmer. The Suburban has no cuffs but zippers on the sleeves.

But I suggest you ask Stuart at LW directly for a more accurate answer.

antoine p · Feb 13, 2020

Thanks Logician.

Logician said:
But I suggest you ask Stuart at LW directly for a more accurate answer.

This is likely inevitable.

antoine p · Feb 13, 2020

Still, though, I am interested in the views of TFL.

After reflecting on the generous responses to this thread, it seems that what I am looking for is the lightest, most breathable liner. Something to layer under on warmer winter days, something to wear over only an l/s or s/s button-up in the later spring.
(Some have said that hide weight doesn't make a difference in seasonal versatility- I would love to hear any dissenting views. It also appears that satin doesn't breathe well, and is more suited to cold weather.)
Accordingly I've looked into the differences between rayon and cotton linings... what comes up is that cotton retains heat, while rayon doesn't. I am thinking rayon is the answer here.

Is this misguided?

Logician · Feb 13, 2020

steve u said:
TEST with 15 oz. cotton Duck lining. Below 0 ..I layer a sweater.

From I.O.W.A. (idiots out wandering around)

Very nice Steve. I've barely worn my two Tests yet. Leather looks amazing. BTW I don't wear gloves above 15 degrees Fahrenheit. I live in Montreal and I was in Winnipeg no later than last week. I did not wear gloves. I put my hands in my pockets! Those who complain are "de petites natures" (the faint of heart) who are afraid of the cold!

tmitchell59 · Feb 13, 2020

Logician said:
Here's what I think. IMO the Suburban is a slightly more casual jacket than the Test. Also, satin makes it easier to put on the jacket than cotton. The Test with its cotton lining is a more rigid jacket. It also has cuffs to prevent air from entering through the sleeves. That's why I think it's warmer. The Suburban has no cuffs but zippers on the sleeves.

Said it for me too. The Test lining is as stiff as the hide!. It does make it rigid. You can cinch down the Test at the Wrist and the waist, makes it air tight. Not so with the Suburban. The cuffs did not close tight, didn't really do anything. The silk lining was sort odd feeling on that jacket. Very different jackets. I wear my heavy Test in any inclement weather. It is like a shell, it will keep you warm. That is the way it is made and it works. Sits on the hips. It is a very practical jacket.

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