Pre 1940s Stetson Westerns

WDurableGoods said:

I think you're right Alan, it appears someone started to renovate the hat a long time ago and didn't finish, I think the original tag says 7 1/2 but it's not anywhere near that size now. ---and nice to meet you guys, amazing stuff here and I wish I would've known sooner, there should be some Fedora lounge meet up somewhere in the middle USA where we wear a hat and carry a hat, like a giant show and tell.

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Just Daniel said:

Oh. The ultra rare white size tag. A real treasure in my book. Alan has a couple, I have one.

Late 1800s to 1920s, according to the interesting WTH guy.

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carouselvic said:

Who or what is this acronym?

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carouselvic said:

never mind I have figured it out.....but why you would ever quote him is beyond me.....

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Frunobulax said:

He's not well-liked around here, is he, LOL?

I've seen some criticism of his dating guides, but just general criticisms. I've never seen somebody actually point out what's wrong, however.

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Just Daniel said:

I agree the white tag stuck on the original in hat two seems to indicate a renovation or resize.
The white to duplicate and inventory tag combination on your Stetson Eagle Crest USA hat seems like a follow on to the original 1800s single tags and a precursor to to later orange and red tags from the 1920s on.

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alanfgag said:

He was a member here in several aliases that were banned at some point. Like any of us who has owned and handled many hats, he has amassed knowledge and put forward information from experience - also theories, some of which were half-cocked at best. I haven't visited his website in many years. Perhaps he has gotten wiser as he's gotten older...

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alanfgag said:

I'm not sure which hat that is... I have a couple of Stetsons that I believe date from 1900-1920 that have the red manufacturing tag. I haven't seen enough white labels or Stetsons from the first 50 years of the company to suggest that the white tag occupies a particular notch in the chronological timeline.

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More likely an outlier signifying another purpose... renovations or perhaps something else?

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carouselvic said:

never mind I have figured it out.....but why you would ever quote him is beyond me.....

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WDurableGoods said:

A lot of the research I have done on some of my hats has been based on the stores they were bought from and the kind of branding they used, (since a lot of them have the store branding inside) combining that with the knowledge I have received here helps me to narrow it down, I would like to do more research on the hat shop and maybe get an idea whether it was pre-or post 1920s

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WDurableGoods said:

A lot of the research I have done on some of my hats has been based on the stores they were bought from and the kind of branding they used, (since a lot of them have the store branding inside) combining that with the knowledge I have received here helps me to narrow it down, I would like to do more research on the hat shop and maybe get an idea whether it was pre-or post 1920s

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Just Daniel said:

Thanks Alan, I tread lightly rather than disagree with your great knowledge bank. To me the white and black tag looks like a precursor to the red tags.

The white tag has both the inventory and reorder info combined, the later tags separate the two. It seems strange to me that a refurb tag would be made with both data points together. If we assume that the original reorder tags were also white, in my book these combo tags look like transition pieces between the originals and the later red/brown combination.

I’ll be as thrilled as anyone else if we get more data points and more info!

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WDurableGoods said:

Here’s the other hat I can post on this thread but that’s all I got. Picked this one up last year. 7 1/2” crown and 5” brim, have only wore it a few times, Wore it to the rodeo. my wife is wearing a Dobbs twenty, probably 40s or early 50s not sure.

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WDurableGoods said:

Here's my Stetson guessing mid to early 30s, no liner, large eagle USA crest
sold at Tom Campbells Smile hat shop, Calgary, Ontario. have no idea why the pic is sideways,
anyways, it feels like #1 quality, View attachment 219169

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WDurableGoods said:

Here’s the other hat I can post on this thread but that’s all I got. Picked this one up last year. 7 1/2” crown and 5” brim, have only wore it a few times, Wore it to the rodeo. my wife is wearing a Dobbs twenty, probably 40s or early 50s not sure.

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WDurableGoods said:

Here’s the other hat I can post on this thread but that’s all I got. Picked this one up last year. 7 1/2” crown and 5” brim, have only wore it a few times, Wore it to the rodeo. my wife is wearing a Dobbs twenty, probably 40s or early 50s not sure.

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WDurableGoods said:

Here’s the other hat I can post on this thread but that’s all I got. Picked this one up last year. 7 1/2” crown and 5” brim, have only wore it a few times, Wore it to the rodeo. my wife is wearing a Dobbs twenty, probably 40s or early 50s not sure.

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