Footwear to go with our jackets

Bfd70 · Jul 17, 2020

Tom71 said:
Ok, my bad: It´s the "Jarrow Marcher" Boot from Aero, named after a groupd of protestors in the UK. Aero has them made by a small outfit in Northhamptonshire (a "White-label product so to say…). I have commented on quality/Value-for-money earlier in the thread and just wanted to add a photo. Should have been a bit more precise...

Thanks, looked the reference up and learned something.

Bfd70 · Jul 17, 2020

Robbie79 said:
Plenty of time. I would receive the Engineers next week (the store is in Europe) and the Jodhpur middle/end of August but I don't want to cancel the Jodhpur boots order as I prefer them over the Engineers. I'm pretty sure that I will regret my decision when I have the Jodhpur boots in my hands but I already informed the store that I don't want to buy them....

Call them back, tell them your feet grew and you’ve moved to the U.S.

Monitor · Jul 17, 2020

@Robbie79 , no! Keep the Jodhpur and ignore the Engineers! I've discovered that thinking of Engineer boots as nothing more than Wellingtons with a couple of added straps immediately cures me from wanting another pair. You made the right & best possible call with the Jodhpurs!

Blackadder · Jul 17, 2020

The max amount I would pay for a pair of engineer boots is under USD750. The exception is a pair of Buco Shell Cordovan that I bought them for half the retail price at the outlet sale in Tokyo. It has little to do with how much they are worth and more to do with my personal opinion that a pair of work boots should not cost more than a pair of dress shoes. One would take great care of a pair of dress shoes but is likely to abuse a pair of work boots so they would at least look the part of a pair of work boots. Spending thousands of dollars on a pair of shoes that you are likely abuse or alternatively babying a pair of work boots like dress shoes simply puzzles me.

Robbie79 · Jul 18, 2020

Thanks guys for your honest feedback on my Clinch boot decision. I came to the conclusion that I will definitely buy the Jodhpur boots as I simply can wear them on more occasions than the Engineer boots and as I really really like Jodhpur boots/shoes (I already own one pair...not expensive ones). To be honest with you I was tempted to also buy the Engineer boots since they seem to be a bargain (at least compared to standard Clinch Boot price level) but that’s too much and as I‘m still not sure if I‘m an Engineer boot person.

handymike · Jul 18, 2020

I have a pair of engineers, and while I love looking at them (and all the beauties online) I never wear them.

Marc mndt · Jul 18, 2020

I only own one pair of engineers, which are a lower version. I feel like I can pull these off only because they have a lower shaft than the original which makes them look more casual imo. I don't think I could pull off engineers whith a high shaft, they would be a bit too 'hardcore' if that makes any sense

To me they seem more in place in the USA. I don't think I've ever seen somebody wear true engineer boots here in the Netherlands (apart from redwing engineers with a wedge sole)

Harris HTM · Jul 18, 2020

I own a pair of black Chippewa Engineer boots, steel toe, can't remember the model, bought them more than 10 years ago in the US.
Walked a pretty long mile on them, undestructible. Unfortunately they are really uncomfortable.

navetsea · Jul 18, 2020

Marc mndt said:
I only own one pair of engineers, which are a lower version. I feel like I can pull these off only because they have a lower shaft than the original which makes them look more casual imo. I don't think I could pull off engineers whith a high shaft, they would be a bit too 'hardcore' if that makes any sense To me they seem more in place in the USA. I don't think I've ever seen somebody wear true engineer boots here in the Netherlands (apart from redwing engineers with a wedge sole) View attachment 247982

is that a waxed roughout?

Marc mndt · Jul 18, 2020

navetsea said:
is that a waxed roughout?

They are roughout leather but not waxed. The toes are polished

navetsea · Jul 18, 2020

cool it looks unique

Edward · Jul 18, 2020

I'm intrigued by the idea of polshing roughout. Never seen it done to that level before, though I seem to recall that at onep oint during WW2 the Wehrmacht were issued with roughout boots in a natural colour that they were expencte to take up to shiny black. Didn't think it was possible, but...

Monitor said:
@Robbie79 , no! Keep the Jodhpur and ignore the Engineers! I've discovered that thinking of Engineer boots as nothing more than Wellingtons with a couple of added straps immediately cures me from wanting another pair. You made the right & best possible call with the Jodhpurs!

Ha.... ill-fitting ones can cetainly be like leather wellies. Nothing like a pair that fit well, though.

Blackadder said:
The max amount I would pay for a pair of engineer boots is under USD750. The exception is a pair of Buco Shell Cordovan that I bought them for half the retail price at the outlet sale in Tokyo. It has little to do with how much they are worth and more to do with my personal opinion that a pair of work boots should not cost more than a pair of dress shoes. One would take great care of a pair of dress shoes but is likely to abuse a pair of work boots so they would at least look the part of a pair of work boots. Spending thousands of dollars on a pair of shoes that you are likely abuse or alternatively babying a pair of work boots like dress shoes simply puzzles me.

Check out Dav's boots - he's not afraid to take a pair of expensive boots and give them the hard wear they are built to stand up to!

Marc mndt said:
I only own one pair of engineers, which are a lower version. I feel like I can pull these off only because they have a lower shaft than the original which makes them look more casual imo. I don't think I could pull off engineers whith a high shaft, they would be a bit too 'hardcore' if that makes any sense To me they seem more in place in the USA. I don't think I've ever seen somebody wear true engineer boots here in the Netherlands (apart from redwing engineers with a wedge sole) View attachment 247982

I have a pair of 7" Chippewas in Oxblood which I really like, though TBH I fidn no difference betwene those and my 10"/11" boots. The shorter ones are just lnog enough to stay tcuked up my trouserleg, and I never wear them over my jeans (at least, not since I stopped wearing drainpipes and went over to a wider leg).

Alex321 · Jul 18, 2020

Current line up:

- Engineer boots: Nope
- Work boots: Alden Indys, Red Wing Mocs, and Clarks Wallabees
- Dress boots/Sleek casual: Alden Shell Chukkas, Alden Suede Chukkas, and Viberg Chelseas
- Dress shoes: Alden Shell Derby and Long Wings
- Sneakers: Converse, Vans, Common Projects

Mich486 · Jul 18, 2020

I don’t get the difference the shaft length can make as surely it stays under your trousers?

Imho the difference between a more hardcore vs muted version of engineers has much more to do with the last and the sole/heel. A thick double leather sole with a high woodsman heel and bulbous toe feels definitely more hardcore than a single thickness sole with a block heel and a non-steel toe.

I agree that engineers are nothing more than riding boots with a couple of straps.

Marc mndt · Jul 18, 2020

Mich486 said:
I don’t get the difference the shaft length can make as surely it stays under your trousers?

My jeans are too narrow to accomodate high shaft boots.

Mich486 said:
Imho the difference between a more hardcore vs muted version of engineers has much more to do with the last and the sole/heel

good point

Blackadder · Jul 18, 2020

Just when we are talking about Clinch in Europe and particularly Clutch Cafe, it seems that Clutch Cafe is offering some of the made for Clutch Cafe Clinch boots back to Japan at a big discount. It is a special online event for 2 days only and no it isn't the Natural Engineer but all the others except the Engineer.

red devil · Jul 18, 2020

Blackadder said:
Just when we are talking about Clinch in Europe and particularly Clutch Cafe, it seems that Clutch Cafe is offering some of the made for Clutch Cafe Clinch boots back to Japan at a big discount. It is a special online event for 2 days only and no it isn't the Natural Engineer but all the others except the Engineer.

That's Inazuma Online event?

Blackadder · Jul 18, 2020

red devil said:
That's Inazuma Online event?

Yes. Did you get ticket? No need to travel this time.

dudewuttheheck · Jul 19, 2020

Robbie79 said:
I wish I could as they are just beautiful and I'm not sure if there's ever such an opportunity for Clinch Engineers. Do you think the boots are worth $900 as I have no idea which type of leather the overdyed Latigo leather is? Of course the store offered me a huge discount. The Latigo leather is obviously less expensive than their overdyed horsebutt but I don't have a comparison....perhaps this leather type is just not high quality leather compared to their horsebutt?

Especially given the price they go for now, $900 for the latigo sounds like quite a good deal. The leather is very nice. I've had their latigo too. I prefer the horsehide, but it's still high quality.

Edward · Jul 19, 2020

Mich486 said:
Imho the difference between a more hardcore vs muted version of engineers has much more to do with the last and the sole/heel. A thick double leather sole with a high woodsman heel and bulbous toe feels definitely more hardcore than a single thickness sole with a block heel and a non-steel toe.

The heel especially. I've worn my Chippewa 7"ers in Oxblood with office-wear, and it works fine. The heels are not quite a block, but much less shaped than my Red Wings. Definitely the flatter shape that you'd more likely see on a British motocycle boot like anything in the Lewis/Aviakit range would be more subtle tucked under trousers.

I agree that engineers are nothing more than riding boots with a couple of straps.

Equestrian boots seem to have had an influence on motorcycle boots on both sides of the Atlantic. The British boots directly were based on hose riding boots (again, see the development of the Lewis boots especially), with the lower heel that those tend to have in the UK. The American Enginer boot definitely has a cowboy boot influence in that heel, even though it was designed for a purpose other than riding to begin with, before being adopted for motorcycle use (and, I'm sure, certaing elementsd evolving as standards for that usage).

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