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Here is my Not-o-liner (named because, while it has a Stratoliner sweatband, the dimensions don't match the traditional Strat). Even though the crown is a bit over 5 inches open (4 3/4 creased), the 2 inch brim and 1 3/4 ribbon make the crown "look taller". Just an example of how a brim and ribbon can make the same hat look considerably different.

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Please, can you identify the brand of the hat (or the hat itself) that Billy Bob is wearing in this movie?
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mashhh said:
Please, can you identify the brand of the hat (or the hat itself) that Billy Bob is wearing in this movie?
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impossible to determine brand but it is a run of the mill stingy brim hat. BB has just reversed the brim, flipped in the front down in the back.....you can replicate that look with about any stingy brim. Check out one of the many online hat shops. Or look for a used one on Ebay....lots of choice for low $$.
 
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The hat is nothing special, and the way he is wearing it looks ridiculous to me. It’s just a stingy brim worn oddly with the brim way up in the front and down in the back, and it’s worn far back on his head...maybe it doesn’t fit him? It could be any one of dozens of hats. Not much of the Golden Era in the hat or the movie clip.

I never saw the movie...doesn’t look like I missed much.
 
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deadlyhandsome said:
The hat is nothing special, and the way he is wearing it looks ridiculous to me. It’s just a stingy brim worn oddly with the brim way up in the front and down in the back, and it’s worn far back on his head...maybe it doesn’t fit him? It could be any one of dozens of hats. Not much of the Golden Era in the hat or the movie clip.

I never saw the movie...doesn’t look like I missed much.
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Perfect way to greet a new member.
 
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Perfect way to greet a new member.
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I was going to delete my post as I don’t want to be rude to anyone, but I re-read it and I don’t see anything wrong. I answered his question the best I could and I expressed personal opinions. If anything, the profane video clip the new guy attached was what was inappropriate to a site billed as family friendly. Again, just my opinions.
 
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mashhh said:
Please, can you identify the brand of the hat (or the hat itself) that Billy Bob is wearing in this movie?
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Hi, and welcome to The Lounge! Without being able to see under the crown, it would be almost impossible to determine the brand. The hat style is commonly referred to as a "Trilby", though most people who don't know much about hats would simply call it a Fedora with a narrow (i.e. "stingy") brim. It doesn't appear to be a particularly expensive hat, likely made from cotton or wool. Others have commented that Billy Bob (or someone) has changed the brim, but I think he is simply wearing the hat backwards. That pin (or whatever it is) on the side of the crown looks like it was added by someone after the hat was purchased, so you're essentially looking for a cheap black Trilby. You might start here, just to see if you can find something you like that's close to Billy Bob's hat.
 
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I echo what Zombie posted above. A cheap trilby worn back to front. The video is of too poor a quality to gleam any kind of detail such as what material it is made from. At first I thought it might be oilskin due the charateristic waving/wrinkles on the brim & possible brim binding...

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but I didn't see any join or seam at the back (front as worn)It doesn't look like felt but a black wool felt tribly would be easy enough to find.(depending where you are in the world of course.)
Again as Zombie stated above, the pin on the side must be an addition, since the hat is worn back to front, any pin, badge or bow would be on the other side. The pin does give the hat a Miss Marple-ish look to me. :D
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Now, where do I apply to get the 15 minutes of my life back.:rolleyes:
 
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Michael73

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Who can help me solve this mystery?

The Mysterious (royal?) fedora mystery.

*please excuse my clumsy english*

Not too long ago, I purchased my first (factory made) hat.
I came across it on a website for second hand stuff and paid a humble amount of 30,- euro's for it.
After it's arrival I gave it a close inspection and tried to find out where it was made and by whom. All I found was the name "Piccadilly"... and the letters are in art deco style.
Also, a nice picture of a red knights shield with a crown on top of it and a golden lion. So far, not very spectacular... until I did some snooping on the net: this "crowned red knight's shield with a golden lion" on it is aparently the 'coat of arms' of a very old familly in Great Brittain, the Fitzalan's, who also are related to the brittish royal familly... things are getting a bit more interesting by now...
And now for the million dollar question: why does this factory made fedora hat have the coat of arms of an ancient brittish familly in it? What is the conection with/who is Piccadilly??? (Yes, I'm aware that it's the name of a famous street in London...)
I contacted various hatters to no avail and I also spoke to the customer services and social media manager of Herbert Johnson Hatters London, England. They also did not have the answers I seek. They refered me to The Fedora Lounge, btw.
Yes, it was made in a factory and not by hand. But by the looks of it, it's not some cheap party prop either. Would a descendant of a noble blood line buy something like this? I doubt it. Who made it? Where? When? Why that particular coat of arms? And what is the relation to/with Piccadilly???I'm intrigued by this, to say the least.
Hopefully somebody here can provide some answers or clou's...

Kind regards,

Michael,
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Michael73 said:
Who can help me solve this mystery?

The Mysterious (royal?) fedora mystery.

*please excuse my clumsy english*

Not too long ago, I purchased my first (factory made) hat.
I came across it on a website for second hand stuff and paid a humble amount of 30,- euro's for it.
After it's arrival I gave it a close inspection and tried to find out where it was made and by whom. All I found was the name "Piccadilly"... and the letters are in art deco style.
Also, a nice picture of a red knights shield with a crown on top of it and a golden lion. So far, not very spectacular... until I did some snooping on the net: this "crowned red knight's shield with a golden lion" on it is aparently the 'coat of arms' of a very old familly in Great Brittain, the Fitzalan's, who also are related to the brittish royal familly... things are getting a bit more interesting by now...
And now for the million dollar question: why does this factory made fedora hat have the coat of arms of an ancient brittish familly in it? What is the conection with/who is Piccadilly??? (Yes, I'm aware that it's the name of a famous street in London...)
I contacted various hatters to no avail and I also spoke to the customer services and social media manager of Herbert Johnson Hatters London, England. They also did not have the answers I seek. They refered me to The Fedora Lounge, btw.
Yes, it was made in a factory and not by hand. But by the looks of it, it's not some cheap party prop either. Would a descendant of a noble blood line buy something like this? I doubt it. Who made it? Where? When? Why that particular coat of arms? And what is the relation to/with Piccadilly???I'm intrigued by this, to say the least.
Hopefully somebody here can provide some answers or clou's...

Kind regards,

Michael,
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First of all, welcome to the lounge, Michael. This kind of question is more suited for the "ask a question, get and answer" thread. Maybe the bartenders can move it there.
The hat is no party hat, but not exactly very old either. From the side pinches in the crown we can see the hat is pre-formed, which is a feature of more modern hats. The size tag is also of a type that is more modern.
If there are no tags underneath the leather sweatband it's almost impossible to determine where it was made and by which manufacturer. The name certainly is no clue, because many manufacturers used well known and good sounding English names for branding their hats; "windsor" is an example of this, which was used many times by various makers.
The lion rampant in the coat of arms is not exactly a clue either. Yes, the Fitzalans have one in their coat of arms, but it is a very common figure in heraldry and there's no saying the colours were chosen deliberately to refer to the Fitzalan family. They themselves use various colours (and various coats of arms for that matter), so like Brent already pointed out above, there's no indication that this hat has any realation with the Fitzalan family.
All I can say is have a good look underneath the sweatband to see if there are any labels there, but I'm thinking there won't be much if naything to uncover there that leads to anything specific. Not a bad looking hat though.
 
Michael73

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Thanks alot, good people. I allready feared that this story would have a similar ending... so, no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow then.
Oh well, at least I can sleep easy at night again.
Have a great weekend!
#steur: Bedankt, man. ;-)
 
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Welcome to The Lounge Michael. This is just a speculative guess about your fine hat.
Christy's establish a hat store at No. 1 Old Bond Street, at the corner of Piccadilly in 1851. In 1886 JB Stetson visits the Christys' Stockport factory and writes to enquire: "How Christys maintains such a productive workforce?" Stetson use Christys' design for the Ten Gallon hat for which Christy's received an on-going royalty.

In the 1880's, French stage actress Sarah Bernhardt popularised the fedora for the female audience. It soon became a common fashion accessory for many women, especially among activists fighting for gender equality during the late nineteenth century. The fedora was eventually adopted as a defining symbol of the women's rights movement. It would not be until 1924 when, in Britain, the fashion minded Prince Edward started wearing the felt hat. This event shifted the popularity of the fedora over to men's fashion, making the hat one of the few androgynous clothing pieces.

1894 the Trilby Hat acquired mass appeal following its use as a prop in the London dramatisation of George du Maurier's novel. Trilby (the heroine of the play was called Trilby O'Farrell.) It helped signal the gradual shift towards the more relaxed styles of dress of the Edwardian era after the strict dress codes of Victorian times. Christys’ makes its trilbies in the same way, to this day.

Following WW1, the snap brim felt hat is introduced and as previously said, was popularised by the Prince of Wales. He was the one who abdicated to marry Wallis Simpson.

The Trilby & Fedora are of similar style with the exception of the brim.

In 1969 The store at No1 Old Bond Street, opened in 1851 as a Christys store was renamed as Scotts, after the manager of the store, but still owned by the Christy family, is sold to Lock and Co.

Lock & Co make a Piccadilly Fedora. https://www.lockhatters.com/products/piccadilly-fedora

Like I said, it's just a speculative guess, but I have been known to tell a plausible tale or two.
 
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GHT said:
Welcome to The Lounge Michael. This is just a speculative guess about your fine hat.
Christy's establish a hat store at No. 1 Old Bond Street, at the corner of Piccadilly in 1851. In 1886 JB Stetson visits the Christys' Stockport factory and writes to enquire: "How Christys maintains such a productive workforce?" Stetson use Christys' design for the Ten Gallon hat for which Christy's received an on-going royalty.

In the 1880's, French stage actress Sarah Bernhardt popularised the fedora for the female audience. It soon became a common fashion accessory for many women, especially among activists fighting for gender equality during the late nineteenth century. The fedora was eventually adopted as a defining symbol of the women's rights movement. It would not be until 1924 when, in Britain, the fashion minded Prince Edward started wearing the felt hat. This event shifted the popularity of the fedora over to men's fashion, making the hat one of the few androgynous clothing pieces.

1894 the Trilby Hat acquired mass appeal following its use as a prop in the London dramatisation of George du Maurier's novel. Trilby (the heroine of the play was called Trilby O'Farrell.) It helped signal the gradual shift towards the more relaxed styles of dress of the Edwardian era after the strict dress codes of Victorian times. Christys’ makes its trilbies in the same way, to this day.

Following WW1, the snap brim felt hat is introduced and as previously said, was popularised by the Prince of Wales. He was the one who abdicated to marry Wallis Simpson.

The Trilby & Fedora are of similar style with the exception of the brim.

In 1969 The store at No1 Old Bond Street, opened in 1851 as a Christys store was renamed as Scotts, after the manager of the store, but still owned by the Christy family, is sold to Lock and Co.

Lock & Co make a Piccadilly Fedora. https://www.lockhatters.com/products/piccadilly-fedora

Like I said, it's just a speculative guess, but I have been known to tell a plausible tale or two.
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GHT said:
Welcome to The Lounge Michael. This is just a speculative guess about your fine hat.
Christy's establish a hat store at No. 1 Old Bond Street, at the corner of Piccadilly in 1851. In 1886 JB Stetson visits the Christys' Stockport factory and writes to enquire: "How Christys maintains such a productive workforce?" Stetson use Christys' design for the Ten Gallon hat for which Christy's received an on-going royalty.

In the 1880's, French stage actress Sarah Bernhardt popularised the fedora for the female audience. It soon became a common fashion accessory for many women, especially among activists fighting for gender equality during the late nineteenth century. The fedora was eventually adopted as a defining symbol of the women's rights movement. It would not be until 1924 when, in Britain, the fashion minded Prince Edward started wearing the felt hat. This event shifted the popularity of the fedora over to men's fashion, making the hat one of the few androgynous clothing pieces.

1894 the Trilby Hat acquired mass appeal following its use as a prop in the London dramatisation of George du Maurier's novel. Trilby (the heroine of the play was called Trilby O'Farrell.) It helped signal the gradual shift towards the more relaxed styles of dress of the Edwardian era after the strict dress codes of Victorian times. Christys’ makes its trilbies in the same way, to this day.

Following WW1, the snap brim felt hat is introduced and as previously said, was popularised by the Prince of Wales. He was the one who abdicated to marry Wallis Simpson.

The Trilby & Fedora are of similar style with the exception of the brim.

In 1969 The store at No1 Old Bond Street, opened in 1851 as a Christys store was renamed as Scotts, after the manager of the store, but still owned by the Christy family, is sold to Lock and Co.

Lock & Co make a Piccadilly Fedora. https://www.lockhatters.com/products/piccadilly-fedora

Like I said, it's just a speculative guess, but I have been known to tell a plausible tale or two.
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Thank you for your historical insights, much apreciated!
However, Lock&co is a prominent player in hatters land and their products are made by hand and of very high quality standard.
Therefore their compagny name is (always?) displayed on the inside of each hat. (see pic.)
So, because mine is "factory made", has no manufacturer's name whatsoever (not on the inner liner, nor under the sweatband) and a randomly(?) picked coat of arms, is enough for me to go with mr. Steur's filosofy... (no hard feelings, right?! Nothing wrong with some healthy speculating... ;-D)
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