What would you tell your former self about ordering a custom Aero?

AeroFan_07 · Feb 27, 2021

ton312 said:
Sounds like you might benefit from a fit jacket. If you are in the US I’d go through Thurston Bros. Aeromarine looks to be a HWM w/ a shawl collar. Get a fit jacket HWM so you know what to expect. If that’s not an option you can always measure a jacket with your preferred sleeve length and shoulder width and do the math. Add 1” to shoulder equates to roughly 3/4-1” sleeve length. It’s a bit more of a gamble that way but it’s not impossible to figure out and get close enough to where it won’t matter. Aero allows for 1/2” (as do almost every maker) of play in the measurements. That is why you can’t be assured of an exact number.

+1 exactly!

HoosierDaddy · Feb 27, 2021

You think those sleeves are a bit long? Really?? Look just right to me.

BobJ · Feb 28, 2021

ton312 said:
Pattern issues?? Huh? No pattern problem here:

or here:

Nothing wrong here:

Pattern felt good here:

Come to think of it was good here too:

Jeez pattern actually felt pretty darn good here too, actually the easiest jacket to wear that I've ever owned:

Good to go here:
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I could go on and on....
None of these had low armholes...I dunno I must be missing something!?

I think I could sort these jackets into chronological order, based on the color of your beard!

feltfan · Feb 28, 2021

Leather at the bottom of the lining. I had to get Johnson to add it when the lining got tattered.
BTW, I have a Good Wear, four Johnsons, and some vintage. I like the Aero I have and wear it often.
I wear the other ones, too. Surprised by all these folks who ordered jackets they didn't like, or had
unrealistic ideas of how flexible FQHH is. It is what it is. Get what you like.

navetsea · Feb 28, 2021

that LW Carlos wore clearly has more drop shoulder than Aero, you can see their special hanger is flatter and not suitable for other jackets by other makers, but if your build is average joe with flat shoulder then I guess the shoulder would not be an issue with flatter shouldered Aero or FL. Strange than Ton like his the most since the issue is the clearest shown on any of his due to his built but I guess he didn't feel the issue also because of his built.

I have none of jackets from all makers here, not even 5*... but I'm flat shouldered, I'm going to bet Aero's pattern would work non issue on me same with many flat shouldered denim jackets, although I like drop shouldered jacket for correcting my outlook.

the plus of flat shouldered jacket is when the jacket worn open, it will not flare out on the bottom | |
on contrary if your jacket have a drop shoulder more than your natural shoulder could fill underneath, then when the jacket worn open it will flare out on the hem since the shoulder of the jacket will then crumble to rest on your own natural shoulder, and the main opening flares out / \ and so does the hem.

jacketjunkie · Feb 28, 2021

trainspotter said:
@Carlos840 I was travelling for the last couple of weeks and wearing my CXL Sheene all along. After 6-7 days, I could feel the weight of the jacket on my neck. Today, I was able to compare this for 5 CXL jackets, two from Schott and 3 Aeros, and there is a marked difference in the weight distribution between both brands. Schott's weights are very well distributed on the shoulders. To clarify, all 3 Aeros are based on the CR pattern, which has broader shoulders. Schott both jackets are size M. I have 2 Sheenes in 38 & 40, and one CR in Size 40. The Sheenes with their highwayman collar seem to dig in more than the CR, but the CR most definitely puts extra weight on the neck vs the Schotts

I think this is closest to what I advice myself. "Don't. Ignore the haters and get a Schott instead. Or a Johnson Leathers. Or if you are into black leather, a Vanson." My Aeros get barely any wear because of how uncomfortably they rest on my neck. It feels exactly like when you're squatting with barbell on your back and it's positioned too high up your neck, so I am absolutely convinced the issue is with how they place the neckhole on their jackets. I'm no patternmaker or in any way qualified jacket designer but I assume jackets neck hole need to be cut out an inch or two lower into the back panel so it rests lower in your neck area.

edit: I do get compliments whenever I do wear my Aeros but I make sure it's occasions where I don't have to walk much..

Marc mndt · Feb 28, 2021

navetsea said:
you can see their special hanger is flatter and not suitable for other jackets by other makers,

That 'special hanger' isn't suitable for Aero jackets either. It doesn't distribute the weight of the jacket evenly onto the hanger, instead the weight is focused at two points which therefore causes dimples.

jacketjunkie said:
Don't. Ignore the haters and get a Schott instead.

I admit, Schott jackets have better, more comfortable patterns. But they have limited design choices. You can't get cossack from Schott for instance.

Alexlutov · Feb 28, 2021

Continuing the above..hacking naturally or applying water hot or cold, or picard all this takes place to be, I'm always worried about the length of the sleeve in aero, as many have seen from other threads I got aero deluxe in jerky yesterday. As you all know, this type of horsehide doesn't require much cracking and is essentially soft out of the box.I am the second owner of the jacket and honestly do not know how many years this aero hung in the closet of the previous owner, but from jerky I expected that it would be soft..in my case, the skin looks a bit like cardboard..and I'm now thinking of a small layer of air conditioning for it.But back to the length of the sleeve, I am a tall guy and have always worn jackets where the sleeve reaches the thumb bone, BUT looking at all the photos of AERO's clients, I also see that the sleeve is usually much higher...the actual question. how is it correct?? or everyone chooses for himself as it is convenient for him...Thanks.

MrProper · Feb 28, 2021

Alexlutov said:
Continuing the above..hacking naturally or applying water hot or cold, or picard all this takes place to be, I'm always worried about the length of the sleeve in aero, as many have seen from other threads I got aero deluxe in jerky yesterday. As you all know, this type of horsehide doesn't require much cracking and is essentially soft out of the box.I am the second owner of the jacket and honestly do not know how many years this aero hung in the closet of the previous owner, but from jerky I expected that it would be soft..in my case, the skin looks a bit like cardboard..and I'm now thinking of a small layer of air conditioning for it.But back to the length of the sleeve, I am a tall guy and have always worn jackets where the sleeve reaches the thumb bone, BUT looking at all the photos of AERO's clients, I also see that the sleeve is usually much higher...the actual question. how is it correct?? or everyone chooses for himself as it is convenient for him...Thanks. View attachment 313904

Do not worry. I think the length is good for a OTR jacket.
The sleeves of my jackets don't go down any further, no matter how long they are, because my cuffs are rather tight.

Alexlutov · Feb 28, 2021

MrProper said:
Do not worry. I think the length is good for a OTR jacket.
The sleeves of my jackets don't go down any further, no matter how long they are, because my cuffs are rather tight.

Thank you, yes, everyone who sees from the outside says everything is fine, this is my brain telling me what is short. probably because I'm used to long sleeves...

Edward · Feb 28, 2021

feltfan said:
Leather at the bottom of the lining. I had to get Johnson to add it when the lining got tattered.
BTW, I have a Good Wear, four Johnsons, and some vintage. I like the Aero I have and wear it often.
I wear the other ones, too. Surprised by all these folks who ordered jackets they didn't like, or had
unrealistic ideas of how flexible FQHH is. It is what it is. Get what you like.

Aero don't do the leather strip along the bottom any longer, for several reasons; if memory serves, it was stopped in 2012 when the management structure changed. I believe corduroy is available as an alternative, though. Some of the motorcycle designs have a black leather panel on the inside at the back to stop belt-wear, consistent with period designs.

Alexlutov said:
Continuing the above..hacking naturally or applying water hot or cold, or picard all this takes place to be, I'm always worried about the length of the sleeve in aero, as many have seen from other threads I got aero deluxe in jerky yesterday. As you all know, this type of horsehide doesn't require much cracking and is essentially soft out of the box.I am the second owner of the jacket and honestly do not know how many years this aero hung in the closet of the previous owner, but from jerky I expected that it would be soft..in my case, the skin looks a bit like cardboard..and I'm now thinking of a small layer of air conditioning for it.But back to the length of the sleeve, I am a tall guy and have always worn jackets where the sleeve reaches the thumb bone, BUT looking at all the photos of AERO's clients, I also see that the sleeve is usually much higher...the actual question. how is it correct?? or everyone chooses for himself as it is convenient for him...Thanks. View attachment 313904

My Aero's sleeves all sit exactly where I want them in a jacket: with my arms straight by my sides the end of the cuff sits straight across the middle of my palm, level with the inside if my thumb joint. I have never special ordered them, though - I'm relatively short/average height (5'10"), and so my arms are around an average length, I suppose. This is worth taking into account, though, when you're speccing an order if you need extra length.

Another thought for those of you going via Thurston: worth double-checking on lengths for clarity there. I've not heard of this changing, but I know some years ago all stock Aeros ordered by Thurston were specced at an inch longer in the body that the standard pattern, and I think in the sleeves too. If you go that route with a fit jacket, worth double checking whether they still do this to be sure that if you as for an extra 2" on the Aero pattern, you're not actually getting 3", and such. As I recall, a big part of Thurston's business is selling jackets for motorcycle wear, which was why they wanted a little extra length.

On zips: Hookless zips are nice (I have one in my Dustbowl), but the design is by nature just slightly fidlier thansome other designs. If that's off putting, Talons / Talon repros are nice. One of the best zips I've had in an Aero was the one they used as standard back in 2010, which was just an older, Talon-style puller with a more squared-off puller and branded 'Aero'. Aero generally do ask which you want (always my experience anyhow). I like the Hookless, though I'd go for something else in a jacket that I planned to zip up and down half a dozen times a day.

AeroFan_07 · Jan 26, 2022

Reviving this thread again - as I have thought long & hard about this now. Also note I am sitting wearing my Indian Ranger - custom ordered for me, as I type this. Still trying to break it in, but realizing the pattern is really different for me. Just takes getting used to.

So here is what I would order today, if funds were unlimited. This may not be in the cards for several months at least:

Natural CXL FQHH Leather (Steerhide if an option in Natural)
Aero D-pocket Ridley design
Full-round Belt
Back single point V-yoke
No epaulettes
Heavy Cotton drill lining - olive/black in sleeves
Cordory strip around the bottom inside
Inside & outside kidney panels
Brass hardware
Black (or dark brown) stichting

This is a close replica of one we've seen on these pages occassionally. I really need to take the chance with a Natural CXL jacket, everything I have presently is black.

Thoughts? What whould you do different? Anything you think I should add to this order? Maybe I'll get a hold of Carrie sooner than I think and get it started after all...

Seank · Jan 26, 2022

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AeroFan_07 said:
Reviving this thread again - as I have thought long & hard about this now. Also note I am sitting wearing my Indian Ranger - custom ordered for me, as I type this. Still trying to break it in, but realizing the pattern is really different for me. Just takes getting used to.

So here is what I would order today, if funds were unlimited. This may not be in the cards for several months at least:

Natural CXL FQHH Leather

Aero D-pocket Ridley design

Full-round Belt

Back single point V-yoke

No epaulettes

Heavy Cotton drill lining - olive/black in sleeves

Cordory strip around the botton inside

Inside & outside kidney panels

Brass hardware

Black (or dark brown) stichting

This is a close replica of one we've seen on these pages occassionally. I really need to take the chance with a Natural CXL jacket, everything I have presently is black.

Thoughts? What whould you do different? Anything you think I should add to this order? Maybe I'll get a hold of Carrie sooner than I think and get it started after all...

I’ve been thinking of nearly an identical build…just ordered a Seven from Carrie in black Badalassi, just received a 1930’s HB in DM Bainbridge, and a Custom LW sub, so I’m putting myself on hold for a bit as well…but I have an itch for a natural CXL Ridley, just can’t bring myself to pull the trigger just yet. Maybe if someone buys the Thedi I have listed on the classifieds, that will be the push I need to pull the trigger.

Guppy · Jan 26, 2022

AeroFan_07 said:
Reviving this thread again - as I have thought long & hard about this now. Also note I am sitting wearing my Indian Ranger - custom ordered for me, as I type this. Still trying to break it in, but realizing the pattern is really different for me. Just takes getting used to.

So here is what I would order today, if funds were unlimited. This may not be in the cards for several months at least:

Natural CXL FQHH Leather

Aero D-pocket Ridley design

Full-round Belt

Back single point V-yoke

No epaulettes

Heavy Cotton drill lining - olive/black in sleeves

Cordory strip around the botton inside

Inside & outside kidney panels

Brass hardware

Black (or dark brown) stichting

This is a close replica of one we've seen on these pages occassionally. I really need to take the chance with a Natural CXL jacket, everything I have presently is black.

Thoughts? What whould you do different? Anything you think I should add to this order? Maybe I'll get a hold of Carrie sooner than I think and get it started after all...

Olive drab stitching if you go with a Od lining

AeroFan_07 · Jan 26, 2022

Guppy said:
Olive drab stitching if you go with a Od lining

Good point Guppy - I don't know if I'll do the OD lining, maybe just all black.

Turnip · Jan 26, 2022

What would you tell your former self about ordering a custom Aero?

I’d tell him to order one, just like I did. I’d foremost tell him to take the best girlfriend ever with him like I did, she bought that jacket as a birthday gift for me…

born113 · Jan 26, 2022

handymike said:
you can and should taper any 50s based design if you’re under 55

I don't understand exactly what you mean. Where should I be tighter?

born113 · Jan 26, 2022

TooManyHatsOnlyOneHead said:
the measurement numbers are usually with the jacket pulled tight

It's true? Is that how Aero takes measurements?
What confuses me is that when selling second-hand, everyone takes measurements without stretching the jacket.

El Marro · Jan 26, 2022

He is saying that you should taper the jacket in at the waist, unless you have a gut that is.

Canuck Panda · Jan 27, 2022

AeroFan_07 said:
Reviving this thread again - as I have thought long & hard about this now. Also note I am sitting wearing my Indian Ranger - custom ordered for me, as I type this. Still trying to break it in, but realizing the pattern is really different for me. Just takes getting used to.

So here is what I would order today, if funds were unlimited. This may not be in the cards for several months at least:

Natural CXL FQHH Leather (Steerhide if an option in Natural)

Aero D-pocket Ridley design

Full-round Belt

Back single point V-yoke

No epaulettes

Heavy Cotton drill lining - olive/black in sleeves

Cordory strip around the bottom inside

Inside & outside kidney panels

Brass hardware

Black (or dark brown) stichting

This is a close replica of one we've seen on these pages occassionally. I really need to take the chance with a Natural CXL jacket, everything I have presently is black.

Thoughts? What whould you do different? Anything you think I should add to this order? Maybe I'll get a hold of Carrie sooner than I think and get it started after all...

I would also second on the olive drab stitching. They look nice in the photos I've seen.

Aero posted some photos on their social media today. Just WOW! I believe this one was horsehide. Steerhide would definitely be an awesome choice.

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